Deep down you know the truth, but you're ashamed and in denial.

It's okay, I'm not going to argue with you because I can see that you just want an argument.. maybe you're having a bad day and you want someone to take out your frustrations on.

habsydiamond:
how did you know that they are from the yoruba tribe. Those in the pictures u shared are Africans but I don't think they are Nigerians. They are probably zulus from SouthAfrica showcasing their cultural heritage

Can you prove that those people are South Africans?

I mean you guys are just being in denial, those women are dressed the exact same way as those Yoruba artifacts and on top of that, the documentary was talking about Sarah Forbes and the Yoruba tribe back in the 1800.

habsydiamond:
that's true... south africa comes to mind

Samantha123:
Deep down you know the truth, but you're ashamed and in denial.

It's okay, I'm not going to argue with you because I can see that you just want an argument.. maybe you're having a bad day and you want someone to take out your frustrations on.

not at all... am not trying to attack you.. why would I be ashamed when I am sure of what I was talking about. If u look into the Nigeria dressing u will see that women don't expose their parts.. the only exposed part would be the legs.. unlike nowadays you will see bum shorts with half of the buttocks out.. that's not African, western life is written all over such dresses.

Samantha123:
Can you prove that those people are South Africans?

I mean you guys are just being in denial, those women are dressed the exact same way as those Yoruba artifacts and on top of that, the documentary was talking about Sarah Forbes and the Yoruba tribe back in the 1800.

how did you know those artifacts are yorubas

You're very correct... But things weren't like that more than hundred years ago, when more and more Yoruba people discovered about the Christian and Muslim religion, they changed their ways of dressing in order for it to now suit their new found religions.

I'm not a Zulu, but I know very well that those people are not Zulus because the Zulu people have been wearing same kind of attires for hundreds of years, nothing about their attires has changed even now.

habsydiamond:
not at all... am not trying to attack you.. why would I be ashamed when I am sure of what I was talking about. If u look into the Nigeria dressing u will see that women don't expose their parts.. the only exposed part would be the legs.. unlike nowadays you will see bum shorts with half of the buttocks out.. that's not African, western life is written all over such dresses.

Ahh!!! Don't you feel ashamed asking me that kind of a question?

Are you trying to tell me that you know nothing about your tribe

habsydiamond:
how did you know those artifacts are yorubas

Samantha123:
You're very correct... But things weren't like that more than hundred years ago, when more and more Yoruba people discovered about the Christian and Muslim religion, they changed their ways of dressing in order for it to now suit their new found religions.

I'm not a Zulu, but I know very well that those people are not Zulus because the Zulu people have been wearing same kind of attires for hundreds of years, nothing about their attires has changed even now.

how sure are you about all this You are stylishly attacking yorubas whereas protecting the south Africans where u are from. Are you saying zulus don't expose their breasts for cultural purposes. If Yorubas weren't like this 100years back.. there is every possibility that u guys are not the way u put it 100years ago

Samantha123:
Ahh!!! Don't you feel ashamed asking me that kind of a question?

Are you trying to tell me that you know nothing about your tribe

why won't I, there are something you don't know about art work... a sculptural artist doesn't have to see a naked woman before he can carve or create one... all there art work u shared are imaginary.

I'm not attacking or protecting anyone, I'm saying Zulu native attires have been the same for hundreds of years and nothing about them has changed, I never said Zulus don't expose their breasts.

You guys allowed Christianity and Islam to cloud your true identity.

And let me tell you the difference between Nigeria and SA, most South Africans are still sticking to their roots and don't allow other religions to make them forget who they are and we don't allow religion to determine who we are in life... But you guys revolve yourselves around either the Christian or the Islam religion, you kill each other and elect one another based on the person's religion.. you've adopted the Christian and the Muslim culture... That's why you changed your attires so that you can fit in your new religions.

habsydiamond:
how sure are you about all this You are stylishly attacking yorubas whereas protecting the south Africans where u are from. Are you saying zulus don't expose their breasts for cultural purposes. If Yorubas weren't like this 100years back.. there is every possibility that u guys are not the way u put it 100years ago

Keep deceiving yourself.

Your ancestors must be very disappointed in you guys wherever they are.

habsydiamond:
why won't I, there are something you don't know about art work... a sculptural artist doesn't have to see a naked woman before he can carve or create one... all there art work u shared are imaginary.

Samantha123:
I'm not attacking or protecting anyone, I'm saying Zulu native attires have been the same for hundreds of years and nothing about them has changed, I never said Zulus don't expose their breasts.

You guys allowed Christianity and Islam to cloud your true identity.

And let me tell you the difference between Nigeria and SA, most South Africans are still sticking to their roots and don't allow other religions to make them forget who they are and we don't allow religion to determine who we are in life... But you guys revolve yourselves around either the Christian or the Islam religion, you kill each other and elect one another based on the person's religion.. you've adopted the Christian and the Muslim culture... That's why you changed your attires so that you can fit in your new religions.

though, religion did bring small changes but that didn't affect our way of dressing.. is it religion that make ladies to wear breast reveal dresses.. I don't think so.. butt and breast revealing outfits are signs of the western culture that is embraced by every African country. You can't tell me u dont have lot of ladies with breast revealing, g strings, and bum shorts that reveals put of the ass. That's what we get from cover the white.... African cultures doesn't support body exposure.. that's why you will always see ladies in short dresses trying to pull it down when they are in public...

Samantha123:
Keep deceiving yourself.

Your ancestors must be very disappointed in you guys wherever they are.

is that what you think.. I see many south Africans online and I hardly see the decency you claim with most of them. Most of them lobe to reveal their figures, their asses, breasts and whatever.

If African cultures don't support body exposure, then what continent are the Zulu people and those other tribes who expose their upper bodies from if not Africa?

And where in the African history books does it states that African cultures don't support body exposure?

Lastly, if those women are not from the Yoruba tribe, then what tribe are they from? And you must support your answers with proof.

habsydiamond:
though, religion did bring small changes but that didn't affect our way of dressing.. is it religion that make ladies to wear breast reveal dresses.. I don't think so.. butt and breast revealing outfits are signs of the western culture that is embraced by every African country. You can't tell me u dont have lot of ladies with breast revealing, g strings, and bum shorts that reveals put of the ass. That's what we get from cover the white.... African cultures doesn't support body exposure.. that's why you will always see ladies in short dresses trying to pull it down when they are in public...

What are you talking about Did I say Yoruba people are indecent

habsydiamond:
is that what you think.. I see many south Africans online and I hardly see the decency you claim with most of them. Most of them lobe to reveal their figures, their asses, breasts and whatever.

Samantha123:
What are you talking about Did I say Yoruba people are indecent

I was talking about dressing now!!! U said most cultures in southafrica were retained because they didn't allow the western religion to dictate for them. What I wad saying was that the western religion memay not have influenced their culture but the dress sense of the whites have influenced urs

Samantha123:
If African cultures don't support body exposure, then what continent are the Zulu people and those other tribes who expose their upper bodies from if not Africa?

And where in the African history books does it states that African cultures don't support body exposure?

Lastly, if those women are not from the Yoruba tribe, then what tribe are they from? And you must support your answers with proof.

as u can see, there are various tribes in nigeria which yoruba happened to be one of them. So you can't really use images to arrive at a conclusion that that's how yoruba people dress even when u only read about the country online. I can see u love Nigeria that's why u have taken your time to look into their cultural heritage... which I can see u got wrong....

Already most of our native attires are revealing, so there's nothing to be ashamed about.. We can dress anyway we want, Western culture or not.

habsydiamond:
I was talking about dressing now!!! U said most cultures in southafrica were retained because they didn't allow the western religion to dictate for them. What I wad saying was that the western religion memay not have influenced their culture but the dress sense of the whites have influenced urs

Still you're not proving anything.

habsydiamond:
as u can see, there are various tribes in nigeria which yoruba happened to be one of them. So you can't really use images to arrive at a conclusion that that's how yoruba people dress even when u only read about the country online. I can see u love Nigeria that's why u have taken your time to look into their cultural heritage... which I can see u got wrong....

Samantha123:
Already most of our native attires are revealing, so there's nothing to be ashamed about.. We can dress anyway we want, Western culture or not.

thanks for your sincerity... that means you have accepted that ur dressing was influenced by the white a bit if not all.

Samantha123:
Still you're not proving anything.

if u what to know about yorubas cultural heritage, it better u come to Nigeria to do so.. doing it online will not give you what you want

When the white people came to Africa, already they found African tribes wearing revealing clothes, which some of them still do even today.. so why must we be ashamed to wear Western revealing clothes when our own native attires are already revealing? Wouldn't that be hypocritical?

The sooner you accept that you guys are in denial of your true Yoruba native attires, the better.

habsydiamond:
thanks for your sincerity... that means you have accepted that ur dressing was influenced by the white a bit if not all.

Since you're in Nigeria, I asked you to prove your claims, you so far you haven't provided me with any proof.

I'm still waiting for you to prove all those claims you made.

habsydiamond:
if u what to know about yorubas cultural heritage, it better u come to Nigeria to do so.. doing it online will not give you what you want

Samantha123:
When the white people came to Africa, already they found African tribes wearing revealing clothes, which some of them still do even today.. so why must we be ashamed to wear Western revealing clothes when our own native attires are already revealing? Wouldn't that be hypocritical?

The sooner you accept that you guys are in denial of your true Yoruba native attires, the better.

how many yoruba native attires have you seen

It doesn't matter, already you're denying your true culture.

habsydiamond:
how many yoruba native attires have you seen

Ikennaford:
I think no...

Because God didn't give us the capacity to do so... I mean to develop by ourselves upon our natural resources, I've done so many research on how black people came about for those of you that believe in Bible like me, in the Bible, there are 2 creation in the Bible, the creation of Adam(white man) he ate the fruit of knowledge and the creation of blacks, (ignoramus people) all of us here on nairaland including me and all the blacks around the world, so I'll create that thread on 25th Dec 2023,,my birthday... I'll be 30....

Back to the main topic, please your views

The answer can be Yes and No and I will explain:

Yes: It took China 4 decades to reach to where they are now. Countries like Malaysia, Singapore, UAE, Maldives, Thailand etc. became so developed within 3 decades. They achieved this when they had good leader. It is only a good leader that can initiate the developmental strides to achieving a sustainable economy. So even if a Black man is dumb, a good leader can build self-sustainable country where the dumb black men can live.

No: We may not be able to survive without the white man because we lack the modern knowledge and skills. When the education system is so backwards, every other sectors will be affected. If black man doesn’t prioritize science and technology they won’t be able to survive by themselves. Just look at what happened during Covid period, nothing black countries contributed to the discovery and production of the vaccines.

Postscript [PS]
The Nigerian youths of 1960s to 1980s were more self-developed compared to this present youths.

The problem is that Black man is still evolving and to fasten the evolution we need quality education, research and development.
Lack of these has kept black man so behind and the cause of this lack is also black man.

Therefore there is something fundamentally wrong with a black man.

If we keep on blaming the Whiteman then we will never progress. It is time we accept the truth, reality and start making corrections where due especially on the area of choosing a leader.

The most painful part is that the Nigerians that were supposed to enhance the evolution are migrating to European countries.

Samantha123:
It doesn't matter, already you're denying your true culture.

now I know.. u don't know anything about Nigerian yoruba cultural heritage. You just want someone to put you in the right track... don't worry after this.. you may even decide to marry a yoruba man. If you look at their dressing u will see that the 'iro' wrapper is always in two forms.. one at the kneel cap while the other towards the feet ... u can't see my people reveal their body because they believe its sacred.. the women believe that their body if meant for their husbands only that's why they cover it decently.

Lol.. even a blind person would be able to see that these pictures were taken recently and are not more than 100 years old, I also don't think that they're more than 50 years old.

I'm sure that most of these people are either Muslims or Christians and see their true native attires as something to be ashamed of.

Stop wasting your time sending me your modernized attires because already I know about them.

habsydiamond:
now I know.. u don't know anything about Nigerian yoruba cultural heritage. You just want someone to put you in the right track... don't worry after this.. you may even decide to marry a yoruba man. If you look at their dressing u will see that the 'iro' wrapper is always in two forms.. one at the kneel cap while the other towards the feet ... u can't see my people reveal their body because they believe its sacred.. the women believe that their body if meant for their husbands only that's why they cover it decently.

Samantha123:
Lol.. even a blind person would be able to see that these pictures were taken recently and are not more than 100 years old, I also don't think that they're more than 50 years old.

I'm sure that most of these people are either Muslims or Christians and see their true native attires as something to be ashamed of.

Stop wasting your time sending me your modernized attires because already I know about them.

I will continue to say it.. u don't know ow anything about yoruba culture whereas I know about yours.... its better for you to conduct more research about the yoruba cultural heritage.... if we continue to argue on this .. I won't step down for you... never.. cos an outsider can never have much knowledge about what's going on inside except if she has a spy.... who is ur spy? @Samantha123

It's funny how you're saying an outsider can never have much knowledge about what's going on inside except there is a spy, yet you claim to know much about my culture...

Keep contradicting yourself, if you were being prosecuted in court, you'd have long incriminated yourself and found guilty..

Let me do you a favour and save you some embarrassment by stepping down for you.

Adios..

habsydiamond:
I will continue to say it.. u don't know ow anything about yoruba culture whereas I know about yours.... its better for you to conduct more research about the yoruba cultural heritage.... if we continue to argue on this .. I won't step down for you... never.. cos an outsider can never have much knowledge about what's going on inside except if she has a spy.... who is ur spy? @Samantha123

Samantha123:
It's funny how you're saying an outsider can never have much knowledge about what's going on inside except there is a spy, yet you claim to know much about my culture...

Keep contradicting yourself, if you were being prosecuted in court, you'd have long incriminated yourself and found guilty..

Let me do you a favour and save you some embarrassment by stepping down for you.

Adios..

I wont accept ur surrender cos am very sure that u don't know about my cultural heritage all the info you have were gotten through google. Whereas ur cultural heritage can be seen everywhere on social media platforms. It takes thorough searching and dedication for one to know about the yoruba cultural heritage.

Ahh! Why won't you let me surrender on this beautiful Sunday

So you want us to now have a part two of the argument?

habsydiamond:
I wont accept ur surrender cos am very sure that u don't know about my cultural heritage all the info you have were gotten through google. Whereas ur cultural heritage can be seen everywhere on social media platforms. It takes thorough searching and dedication for one to know about the yoruba cultural heritage.

Samantha123:
Ahh! Why won't you let me surrender on this beautiful Sunday

So you want us to now have a part two of the argument?

lolzzz... .. if it extents to part three or even four I don't mind cos when it comes to my tribe... I hardly drop the towel. I argue to the end..