Akpaamunsi:


Care givers have career progression to become either care coordinators, case workers or managers, social workers or registered nurses. In Australia, entry level for a care giver(support worker) is certificate 111 in disability or aged care, from certificate 111, the care giver can go on to study a diploma in community services which gives him a direct pathway to become a social worker or diploma in nursing which also gives him a direct pathway to become a registered nurse after spending an extra 1yr to get the degrees after the diploma. These people you term care givers, if they don't divert to social workers or nurses, eventually end up being service managers, service coordinators or directors in the industry they work in. You are talking of 20yrs for an individual to become a director in Nigeria. A lot can happen in 20yrs, the individual may die, resign or may not even get to that level. It is not a straight forward route to become a director in Nigeria because of the Nigerian factors, whereas within these 20yrs, the care giver, would have built houses, saved enough money to return to Nigeria to set up his business, and probably employ the director. Please let's be guided

You have merely clarified what I said. If the care giver doesn't upgrade will remain behind a degree holder who can rise to become director in less than 15 years moreso an MSC holder which is what you and the other guy were arguing about.

LagBlogger:


You have merely clarified what I said. If the care giver doesn't upgrade will remain behind a degree holder who can rise to become director in less than 15 years moreso an MSC holder which is what you and the other guy were arguing about.

one overseas official travels the director goes pass the annual income of a care giver ..

ahiboilandgas:
one overseas official travels the director goes pass the annual income of a care giver ..

You don't know what you re talking about, how much estacode do you think a director get for an official travel?

justwise:


You don't know what you re talking about, how much estacode do you think a director get for an official travel?

mr i too know is it now 1400 USD per day in Firs directors level ! 2200 USD per day in pencom .that the DTA outside other add on . I never add NSWF . Dey there. If u like Ban me as usual.

ahiboilandgas:
mr i too know is it now 1400 USD per day in Firs directors level ! 2200 USD per day in pencom .that the DTA outside other add on . I never add NSWF . Dey there. If u like Ban me as usual.

Estacode = stealing money

That’s why Nigeria never changes. Most of you in favor of staying in Nigeria do so only because you have access to the state treasury.

ahiboilandgas:
mr i too know is it now 1400 USD per day in Firs directors level ! 2200 USD per day in pencom .that the DTA outside other add on . I never add NSWF . Dey there. If u like Ban me as usual.

All made up figures from someone who got no idea how Estacode works .

Keep calling for a ban each time you reply my post, i will do you the favour when the time comes.

justwise:

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All made up figures from someone who got no idea how Estacode works .

Keep calling for a ban each time you reply my post, i will do you the favour when the time comes.

Estacode is from $200 to $1000 depending on the grade level. Power corrupts, you have to learn how not to misuse your ability to ban despite disagreements.

TWoods:


Estacode = stealing money

That’s why Nigeria never changes. Most of you in favor of staying in Nigeria do so only because you have access to the state treasury.

it not it legimate earnings that can be abused !

justwise:

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All made up figures from someone who got no idea how Estacode works .

Keep calling for a ban each time you reply my post, i will do you the favour when the time comes.

or you don't know and too I too know to accept! Why haven't you ban please ban and disable ! I will loss Notting oh it nairaland traffic and income that will reduce .

studyless123:


Estacode is from $200 to $1000 depending on the grade level. Power corrupts, you have to learn how not to misuse your ability to ban despite disagreements.

it above that in nimasa ,NPA ,pencom ,DPR PEF NSWF and NFITU and some subsidiary of NNPC like duke oil. Strangely top directors in the agency earn more than the president of Nigeria !

ahiboilandgas:
it above that in nimasa ,NPA ,pencom ,DPR PEF NSWF and NFITU and some subsidiary of NNPC like duke oil. Strangely top directors in the agency earn more than the president of Nigeria !

That rate was for the public sector. I know some agencies have far higher rate especially those in the O&G sector. Many in the private sector earn far more than the president. It's the power that make him powerful.

LagBlogger:


You have merely clarified what I said. If the care giver doesn't upgrade will remain behind a degree holder who can rise to become director in less than 15 years moreso an MSC holder which is what you and the other guy were arguing about.

We are not exactly saying the same thing.
Please how many graduates or master degree holders who entered the civil service at level 8 as a set will rise up to become directors in the civil service in 20years, if they are still alive and well at that time?? A minute percentage. But care giver has a higher chance of succeeding either financially or careerwise in the next 20yrs than someone who returns home to join the civil service. A care giver I know, worked full time in Australia for 3yrs and was able to buy a duplex in ikota estate, lekki after 3yrs. Pls how many civil servants or directors can do that from their salary without stealing and working for 20yrs? How much do directors even earn, if they don't involve themselves in corruption? Please we came to this life to make money and succeed. Career progression is not important where money is concerned. Pls there is no basis for comparison.

Akpaamunsi:



We are not exactly saying the same thing.
Please how many graduates or master degree holders who entered the civil service at level 8 as a set will rise up to become directors in the civil service in 20years, if they are still alive and well at that time?? A minute percentage. But care giver has a higher chance of succeeding either financially or careerwise in the next 20yrs than someone who returns home to join the civil service. A care giver I know, worked full time in Australia for 3yrs and was able to buy a duplex in ikota estate after 3yrs. Pls how many civil servants or directors can do that from their salary without stealing and working for 20yrs? How much do directors even earn, if they don't involve themselves in corruption? Please we came to this life to make money and succeed. Career progression is not important where money is concerned. Pls there is no basis for comparison.

lol. Succeeding like the care administrator thief that was fleecing the old folks in her care to the tune of £20000. This barawo will prolly spend some of that money on some tangible asset and then we can bet just like the bolded, y'all will come on Nairaland and sing the usual 'i know someone doing care work who has bought a house in magodo'...lol. Talk about that corruption first. Lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/care-home-worker-fraud-abbey-wood-old-bailey-vulnerable-b1052462.html%3famp

studyless123:


That rate was for the public sector. I know some agencies have far higher rate especially those in the O&G sector. Many in the private sector earn far more than the president. It's the power that make him powerful.

lol
According to Justwise he is the ONLY one that is just wise, and all of una are talking about what you know nothing of. See the way bros said it is false without putting forward any superior information. Lol. I don't know much about this estacodes sha, but I'm tempted to believe ahiboilandgas cos after his post I was equally stunned and looked it up and found a news article in 2022 stating that estacodes for 2021 were almost $4b (unofficially this may even be more, who knows?)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/govt-officials-estacodes-others-gulp-3-9bn-in-one-year-report/%3famp

Seriously though, something has to be done about these wastages. The three tiers of gov dey suck their own, all these ministries and parastatals go suck their own..kilode!!

Treadway:
lol. Succeeding like the care administrator thief that was fleecing the old folks in her care to the tune of £20000. Then y'all will come on Nairaland and sing the usual 'i know someone doing care work who has bought a house in magodo'...lol. Talk about that corruption first. Lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/care-home-worker-fraud-abbey-wood-old-bailey-vulnerable-b1052462.html%3famp

What is this thing saying??

Akpaamunsi:



What is this thing saying??

lol. Touchy huh.

studyless123:


Estacode is from $200 to $1000 depending on the grade level. Power corrupts, you have to learn how not to misuse your ability to ban despite disagreements.

Depending on grade, type of assignment, agency etc..the list is endless.

Regarding the last part of your post ... to have a civil discourse you definitely have to control tolls with multiple IDs,

I have been dealing with that troll and his many IDs for more than 5yrs,

Treadway:
lol
According to Justwise he is the ONLY one that is just wise, and all of una are talking about what you know nothing of. See the way bros said it is false without putting forward any superior information. Lol. I don't know much about this estacodes sha, but I'm tempted to believe ahiboilandgas cos after his post I was equally stunned and looked it up and found a news article in 2022 stating that estacodes for 2021 were almost $4b (unofficially this may even be more, who knows?)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/govt-officials-estacodes-others-gulp-3-9bn-in-one-year-report/%3famp

Seriously though, something has to be done about these wastages. The three tiers of gov dey suck their own, all these ministries and parastatals go suck their own..kilode!!

Read and learn because you are clueless

justwise:
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Read and learn because you are clueless

wasn't expecting a different response.

Treadway:
wasn't expecting a different response.

I couldn't be nicer

justwise:


I couldn't be nicer

I couldn't care less, BUT you could be less predictable.

Akpaamunsi:



We are not exactly saying the same thing.
Please how many graduates or master degree holders who entered the civil service at level 8 as a set will rise up to become directors in the civil service in 20years, if they are still alive and well at that time?? A minute percentage. But care giver has a higher chance of succeeding either financially or careerwise in the next 20yrs than someone who returns home to join the civil service. A care giver I know, worked full time in Australia for 3yrs and was able to buy a duplex in ikota estate, lekki after 3yrs. Pls how many civil servants or directors can do that from their salary without stealing and working for 20yrs? How much do directors even earn, if they don't involve themselves in corruption? Please we came to this life to make money and succeed. Career progression is not important where money is concerned. Pls there is no basis for comparison.

Ok. I won't argue with you about that but I know for a fact that some returnee directors working at ptad were being paid over 5 million monthly gross and that is just one agency.

Some NNPC directors earned far more than that. FIRS, CBN, SEC etc pay really well minus imprest and tour duty just to name a few.

You do the math. These guys can buy any house they want anywhere in Nigeria without stealing public funds.

LagBlogger:


Ok. I won't argue with you about that but I know for a fact that some returnee directors working at ptad were being paid over 5 million monthly gross and that is just one agency.

Some NNPC directors earned far more than that. FIRS, CBN, SEC etc pay really well minus imprest and tour duty just to name a few.

You do the math. These guys can buy any house they want anywhere in Nigeria without stealing public funds.

A lot of international student care workers make that in a month in Australia. Please how many of these directors are there exactly? And what are their regional or tribal affiliation? U make it seem as if it is so easy to get federal jobs in Nigeria after returning overseas. I have so many friends who returned from UK, Europe and USA during Jonathan's time after their masters that couldn't secure good jobs till today, .. they had to enter the streets to hustle or relocate to other countries. Please stop this arguement, stop discouraging those who don't have connections from leaving Nigeria. Nigeria is gone and cannot be salvaged.

Akpaamunsi:



A lot of international student care workers make that in a month in Australia. Please how many of these directors are there exactly? And what are their regional or tribal affiliation? U make it seem as if it is so easy to get federal jobs in Nigeria after returning overseas. I have so many friends who returned from UK, Europe and USA during Jonathan's time after their masters that couldn't secure good jobs till today, .. they had to enter the streets to hustle or relocate to other countries. Please stop this arguement, stop discouraging those who don't have connections from leaving Nigeria. Nigeria is gone and cannot be salvaged.

Oga like I said I am not arguing with you again about whether or not there are well paid directors or not.

I never said anyone should not leave and what do you mean by discouraging others from leaving when this whole thing started with social workers not being caregivers.

Have I said no one should not travel out?

Alot of foreign students don't earn up to 5 million a month if you convert it to naira. Stop lying.

My sis leaves in Australia and is a social worker, even though she has 2 jobs and earns well compared to even bank managers in Nigeria she doesn't earn up to that and I know a lot of people in Nigeria who earn far more than she earns.

Stop putting words into my mouth. Whoever wants to go can go but don't make it sound like going abroad is eldorado because a lot of Nigerians are struggling abroad even if you pretend that all of them are doing fine.

I know a classmate in Nigeria who used to send money to his elder brother in UK to support him and his wife.

It goes either way as a lot of people (65,000+) every year still hustle in Nigeria to sponsor their kids abroad to study.

Studymore123:



I took the MMIA 4 days ago and it was busy. People are moving both in and out. When I wanted to travel, I didn't come to Nairaland to find out if the US or Canada or Germany was good. I'll visit to find out or reach out to family and friends for info.
I'm not in support of protagonists or antagonists. I maintain my own lane on issues, and that's largely because of my professional training.

Most of the information online are erroneous or exaggerated.
For example I had over 10 friends who visited me in early December from diaspora and all they said is, with the info on social media, they can't believe PH is like this. As a party boy, I don't get home sometimes 2am or 3am and we had mad fun.

Those who want to travel should travel, nobody is stopping them and nobody can hide under the false pretense of the information on Nairaland is discouraging. Those who don't want to travel should remain.
When I traveled to the US, I didn't come to Nairaland for endorsement, when I returned to Nigeria I didn't seek online pools and now that I just traveled back to the US, I didn't ask for anyone's opinion.

There are 2 major paths to relocation. Employment or Family. Any serious person can easily find such information on the official websites of the various countries. For those taking alternate routes, I don't care but don't risk your life.

I give my narratives largely based on my guardian's 50+ years living in the US/Canada and my personal travel experiences worldwide.

People like @e.d.n.u.t.1 just like dragging issues as if there's a prize winner instead of him to doing giveaway.

Nicely put.