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Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by ZINNYBANKS: 12:22pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
advocatejare: How many wives did he have .? |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 12:59pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM:He has run away as he always do, AntiChristian come and answer the question o Who killed Muhammad: Poison that he ate at Khaibar that cut his aorta ? Or Allah seized him by the right hand and cut his aorta when he started falsifying what Allah said? "And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings," (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 44) َََََُّ "We would have seized him by the right hand;" (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 45) ََّْ ََََُُ "Then We would have cut from him the aorta." (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 46) Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 1:04pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
Truvelisback:Well, if you read what Aisha said, she blamed herself for Muhammad’s death, so you may be right "Yahya b.'Abbad b.'Abdullah b.al-Zubayr from his father told me that he heard 'A'isha say: The apostle died in my bosom during my turn: I had wronged no one in regard to him . It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my breast and slapping my face along with the other women." -Ibn Ishaq 1011 (page 682) |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Agbegbaorogboye: 1:38pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Why then do they deny it |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Agbegbaorogboye: 1:40pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
haekymbahd:What is the right path |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Agbegbaorogboye: 1:42pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
advocatejare:The second quote was when one of his followers died and the mother of the dead said she's sure he's in a better place since he served the prophet well. The prophet made clear he had no means of determining if even he himself will end at the right place not to mention any of his followers. This is in contrast with Jesus Christ who said to the thief on his right hand: "Today, you will be with me in Paradise" 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Agbegbaorogboye: 1:46pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Will you drink camel's urine? |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 3:19pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
Agbegbaorogboye:Muhammad even confessed that his own father was in hell, if muhammad couldn’t use his influence to bring his father out of hell, I wonder why Muslims pray for their dead today that Allah should forgive the dead. The same Allah that could not forgive Muhammad’s father Sahih Muslim 203 Anas reported: Verily, a person said: Messenger of Allah, where is my father? He said: (He) is in the Fire. When he turned away, he (the Holy Prophet) called him and said: Verily my father and your father are in the Fire. |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 3:29pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
Agbegbaorogboye:It’s not even camel urine, let’s offer them what they all like: Ajwa dates, muhammad said if they eat 7 of it in the morning, poison and magic will not harm them. Sahih Muslim 2047 b 'Amir b. Sa'd b. Abu Waqqas reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: He who ate seven 'ajwa' dates in the morning, poison and magic will not harm him on that day. AntiChristian and Haekymbahd why not test what Muhammad said, eat 7 Ajwa dates and eat poison to see if he was right! |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Agbegbaorogboye: 3:29pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
advocatejare:That is the dilemma in Islam. Islam emphasizes a transactional relationship with Allah where you get rewards for good behavior and otherwise for bad behavior. However, the good rewards is to be given to you by Allah himself while the bad rewards are to be given to you by your fellow human under a tight and highly prejudiced legal system called Sharia. It is a situation very close to what we have in the old testament which is why I very much believe Muhammad was more influenced by Jewish practices and beliefs than one Angel somewhere whispering to him as he will have his people believe. 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Agbegbaorogboye: 3:32pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
advocatejare: Hehehe. Where did he get this from? I suspect some quraysh superstition |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 3:43pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
Agbegbaorogboye:Yes. Most of the so called Sharia laws were what he copied from the Torah and he adulterated, because of his illiteracy, he got many things mixed up, like the Moses law on divorce that you can’t take a woman you have divorced if she has slept with another man, muhammad got it mixed up and adulterated and said that before you can take back a wife you’ve previously divorced then she must have slept with another man Deuteronomy 24:1-4 “When a man takes a wife and marries her, if then she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, and she departs out of his house, and if she goes and becomes another man's wife, and the latter man hates her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter man dies, who took her to be his wife, then her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination before the LORD. And you shall not bring sin upon the land that the LORD your God is giving you for an inheritance” How Muhammad got it mixed up Sahih al-Bukhari 5261 Narrated `Aisha: A man divorced his wife thrice (by expressing his decision to divorce her thrice), then she married another man who also divorced her. The Prophet (ﷺ) was asked if she could legally marry the first husband (or not). The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "No, she cannot marry the first husband unless the second husband consummates his marriage with her, just as the first husband had done." |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 3:46pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
Agbegbaorogboye:He told many fables. Someone that gave his followers a regimen that can prevent being harmed by poison but the same person ended up being poisoned, what an irony ! 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 5:41pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
Agbegbaoroogboye: AntiChristian oya hala this number for fresh and hot camel urine 1 Like
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Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 5:43pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
advocatejare: Bobo ti Júbà ehoro |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Agbegbaorogboye: 5:56pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
advocatejare:Yeah. That's part of the defects in Islam. What is worst is the theocratic gap. The old testament is very chronological and detailed in its explanation of the events that occurred between God and Man which led up to the new testament. -God created Man -Man falls God decides to erase the existing order of men due to their extreme wickedness but chooses the lineage of Noah to spare to continue his creation. -Noah curses his sons -God chooses Abraham to establish a new order with after that of Noah fails -Abraham begets Isaac the son of promise -Isaac begets Jacob whom is chosen and given the name Israel which means prince with God or struggle with God -Israel has twelve sons who go to Egypt -Israel's descendants are delivered from Egypt and taken to the land promised Abraham by God -Israel after being led by priests and prophets ask for a king -The Kings lead them astray -Israel are led into captivity and promised a deliverer You can see how all these culminate in the new testament even if the Jews reject Christ. In the case of the Quran, there is no such explicit chronology or theocratic relationship established. Instead, islam seems to take largely from the old testament and mixes with Zoroastrianism and other older religious practices prevalent in the middle East as at that time, and also ends up establishing roots with the Quraysh religions of Mecca. This large theocratic gap is what makes Islam a very dogmatic religion and little theological or deep spiritual connection. Even the Yoruba mythology of Eledumare fares better in that regard. |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 7:37pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
Agbegbaorogboye:With the Quran, everything is illogical. What a verse is saying maybe completely unrelated to the previous and the next verse, yet they call such a book a miracle. Humans had to help Allah explain the Quran as Tafsir in order for the Quran to be meaningful. It’s so hilarious, even when Allah says that the Quran is clear, there is nothing clear about it! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 7:39pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM:Na so Antichristian dey do, just don’t allow him derail your thread, he would run away! |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 7:49pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM:Imagine! The see their own urine as filthy but will drink camel urine just because who was reported to be bewitched by their own Hadith told them to be drinking camel urine! |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by ZINNYBANKS: 8:34pm On Jan 08, 2023 |
advocatejare: How many wives did he marry ? |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by MrCodeSolo: 9:05am On Jan 09, 2023 |
advocatejare:if it was revealed in English, there would be no need for Tafsir. reading only the translation can give the literal meanings of the words of Quran, however, Tafsir comes with context in which a particular Ayah was revealed, hence giving a context to each and every word, which consequently means a better understanding of Quran and its verses. |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 1:05pm On Jan 09, 2023 |
MrCodeSolo:Dey lie there. Does reading in Arabic makes a verse and the one preceding and the one after it related and have meanings? |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 1:10pm On Jan 09, 2023 |
ZINNYBANKS:He had 13, and multiple sex slaves/concubines : Here is the list of some of them Khadijah Sawdah Aisha Hafsa Umm al-Masakin Umm Salamah Zaynab Juwayriyah Umm Habibah Safiyyah Maymunah Rayhana Maria |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 7:35pm On Jan 09, 2023 |
Khadija was a 40 year old wealthy widow who married muhammad who was a 25 year old sales boy to Khadijah before Khadija decided to marry him and didn’t allow him marry another woman. Muhammad was only able to marry his other wives after the death of Khadijah. Because he inherited Khadijah’s wealth |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:48pm On Jan 09, 2023 |
advocatejare: AntiChristian better come and drink my urine |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:51pm On Jan 09, 2023 |
advocatejare: This man called muhammad was a disgrace to humanity aswear 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Rosemaiden(f): 6:04am On Jan 10, 2023 |
advocatejare: The liar of a man knew he was a liar, and so he felt guilty about his lies which he believed resulted in his death. He must have seen the poison as a punishment from God. |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by Rosemaiden(f): 6:13am On Jan 10, 2023 |
advocatejare: Is that not in itself a parable of how everyone who believes in Mohammed would perish with Mohammed? |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 6:45am On Jan 10, 2023 |
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Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 6:54am On Jan 10, 2023 |
Rosemaiden:He felt that dying from poison was equivalent as dying as a martyr and that was why when someone suggested that his sickness was due to Pleurisy, Muhammad quickly denied it because he felt that Pleurisy was from the devil Ibn Sa’d, page 294: Umm Bishr came to the prophet during his illness and said, “O apostle of Allah! I never saw fever like it in any one.” The prophet said to her, “Our trial is double and so our reward is double. What do the people say about it?” She said, “They say it is pleurisy .”Thereupon the apostle said, “Allah will not like to make His apostle suffer from it (pleurisy) because it indicates the possession of Satan, but (my disease is the result of) the morsel that I had taken along your son. It has cut my jugular vein.” |
Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by advocatejare(m): 6:58am On Jan 10, 2023 |
Rosemaiden:Definitely, those that trusted him died from poisoned meat because they thought muhammad would save them, Now many are following him even when he himself said he didn’t know his fate!
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Re: Why Are Muslims Ashamed Of How Muhammad Died? by AntiChristian: 11:14am On Jan 10, 2023 |
Rosemaiden: So Jesus and John the Baptist should see their deaths as a torment from God? Numbskull! |
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