Since the time I was a very little boy, when I first heard this particular story about the visit of the three wise men, I started trying to understand the whole scenario.
I couldn't just get myself to believe the “guiding” part of the “Star” story (just the way I couldn't believe “SOME” miracles that were told in the Bible - as at then - and even up till now)

I had my own questions then as a kid...
How would a star (no matter the size) in the far night-sky above the earth be guiding some people here below, up to the point of guiding them to the very spot - that is, to the very stable - where Jesus was born, and it stopped there?
What type of star was that even?
Was it a shooting star?
It couldn't be.
Was it any other type of star?
Then, the star would always be there, and be visible every night, and thus nothing would have been different about that very special star.

I was gazing at the stars almost every night for more than ten years, until I got tired of gazing, and then, I had to assume that those three wise men were seeing visions.
Ok then.
But how could the three men be seeing the same vision at once.?
Well.
It could be another fairy-tale from the bible.
But then, it was recorded in the Jewish history texts, “that some intelligent men from the far-far-east paid a visit to King Herod in Jerusalem with gifts, but the gifts were Not for Herod”.
History books also had it that King Herod murdered the infants of Bethlehem shortly before his death.
Thus, the story of the three wise men was not a biblical tale. It really happened.

Meanwhile, I deliberately had to stop letting the story of the “Guiding Star Of The Three Wise Men” to continue to bother my innocent childhood and yearly Christmas Celebrations.

Whatever the Star was, I had to let it be..
And up till this moment, (I mean, now that I have known a lot about the stars and the planets), I still cannot understand how a star could “Guide” someone to a particular HOUSE.!!

Along the line, while I was growing, I later-on understood that some “Special Stars” could really appear in the regular night-sky from out of no-where, and they could be visible for some days (and even weeks) before they disappear.
Such special star-like appearances could be comets, planetary conjunctions, novae and supernovae, and so on..

But what remained my puzzle up till today was, how such stars could guide someone to a particular house, AND STOP.
And also, how such stars could announce the “BIRTH” of anyone here on earth, and even indicate the “Direction towards the Location” where such Births happened.
And nobody in our current era is practicing such wisdom of the stars any longer.??

THESE WISE MEN FROM THE EAST, DIDN'T THEY TRAIN ANY SCHOLARS WHO WOULD CARRY ON WITH THE STUDY OF THE STARS??

DIDN'T THEY LEAVE THEIR SCROLLS AND TEXTS BEHIND FOR THE BENEFIT OF FUTURE PERSONS WHO MIGHT WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE STARS JUST LIKE THEM.?

WHY IS IT THAT THE PRESENT-DAY SCHOLARS AND TEACHERS OF “ASTRONOMY” AND “ASTROLOGY” ARE NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO REPLICATE THE WONDERFUL “WISDOM OF THE STARS” WHICH THESE THREE WISE MEN EXHIBITED.??





(The images above were gotten from https://www.space.com/star-of-bethlehem)

Well..



Let's call it the First Miracle of Jesus..



And it really still baffles me that not even a single present-day scientist could give an explanation to that.

(Scientists believed that: “although some wise men from afar visited Jerusalem and later found Jesus in Bethlehem”,, and also, that the study of the planetary movements suggests that “there might had been noticeable planetary conjunctions that were very visible from the earth around the years 7-to-6 BCE”,, but then, there was no way any sightings of those “spacial stars” would have guided them to the exact place where Jesus was born).


https://www.space.com/star-of-bethlehem

Astrology of ancient times had a connection with mysticism, voodoo and spiritism. They are not normal men but people who practice voodoo. Realize from the time of biblical Daniel, the east refers to people from Iran and Iraq ie Babylonian empire. The wise men then of which Daniel was considered the wisest, the others were magicians, astrologers. Wise men from the east is another name for Babylonian magicians.
Ask yourself, how come the prophecies of the old testament never captured the wise men or their gifts? Despite how every detail about Christ was captured, even the killing of the infants. It didn't seem that those magicians were from God. Ask also why did the star lead them to Herod first instead of taking them to Christ direct. Because Satan probably was behind that star. He needed to kill Jesus. So that star was to provoke Herod into killing Jesus. God definitely can't be in support of that. The angel told Joseph to flee and later told him to return because they be dead that seek the life of baby Jesus. That star had an evil mission and it took magicians from ancient Babylonian axis to do the job of unintentionally inciting Herod. An angel warned the magicians not to go back to Herod to give exact location of Jesus. The gifts were accepted by the parents. I believe the magicians didn't personally know the ulterior motives of the devil who I think was behind that star which was planned out to kill the baby Jesus. God has a way of outsmarting the devil and bringing out his glory by turning the enemy plan around

Great mystery and puzzles sir!!!

Ruke1989:
Astrology of ancient times had a connection with mysticism, voodoo and spiritism. They are not normal men but people who practice voodoo. Realize from the time of biblical Daniel, the east refers to people from Iran and Iraq ie Babylonian empire. The wise men then of which Daniel was considered the wisest, the others were magicians, astrologers. Wise men from the east is another name for Babylonian magicians.
Ask yourself, how come the prophecies of the old testament never captured the wise men or their gifts? Despite how every detail about Christ was captured, even the killing of the infants. It didn't seem that those magicians were from God. Ask also why did the star lead them to Herod first instead of taking them to Christ direct. Because Satan probably was behind that star. He needed to kill Jesus. So that star was to provoke Herod into killing Jesus. God definitely can't be in support of that. The angel told Joseph to flee and later told him to return because they be dead that seek the life of baby Jesus. That star had an evil mission and it took magicians from ancient Babylonian axis to do the job of unintentionally inciting Herod. An angel warned the magicians not to go back to Herod to give exact location of Jesus. The gifts were accepted by the parents. I believe the magicians didn't personally know the ulterior motives of the devil who I think was behind that star which was planned out to kill the baby Jesus. God has a way of outsmarting the devil and bringing out his glory by turning the enemy plan around

Believe Me...
Those Knowledge of those Babylonian Magicians were top-notch and exceptional...
(Same thing could also be said about the “Ancient Persian Magicians” too)
No matter what the knowledge was..
(Call it evil or voodoo)
It was so rare, and it could be very useful in our present world.

They were so good at what they do..



I think I need to know more about it.

CAN I FIND ANY BOOK OR TEXTS ON THAT PLEASE.??

They were simply astrologers.

funshint:
They were simply astrologers.

Was there any other thing they were doing so differently from the present Astrologers??

Lalasticlala,
Seun

Nlfpmod

Mynd44

They were astronomers.

Why did you assume that they were three? i mean nobody said so, right? You just decided to blindly and baselessly assume for years that they are three and you are here to blame others for their own assumptions?

Image123:
Why did you assume that they were three? i mean nobody said so, right? You just decided to blindly and baselessly assume for years that they are three and you are here to blame others for their own assumptions?

The number of the so-called “Wise Men” was not the main point I wanted to direct my attention to.

So,, don't use such a trivial issue to derail the topic.


They might be three (because of the three main gifts mentioned in the Bible, and according to popular suggestions in the traditions of early Christianity)

They might be 12 (according to some of the texts that were written by some Early Jewish Christians.. But then, remember that the Jews has a lot to do with the Number-12.??)

They might even be far more than 30 in number, or even up to 50, being that there had been many suggestions throughout the course of history about their exact number, and being that they had servants and slaves who followed them on the journey.


But as long as this very topic is concerned,, that very issue is not my main concern.



I need to add something new to my knowledge -base.
And not to argue trivial issues

And Finally...
“The Three Wise Men” is more popular in usage than “Wise Men From The East”.
So, when I wrote “Three Wise Men”, I knew what I was writing, and it didn't mean that I assumed they were just THREE.

tk4radi:
Was there any other thing they were doing so differently from the present Astrologers??

It's not about them; it's about God who controls the elements of nature.

funshint:

It's not about them; it's about God who controls the elements of nature.

Because..




There are things I need to add to my existing knowledge of astrology

tk4radi:
Because..




There are things I need to add to my existing knowledge of astrology

Astrology or Astronomy. And if it's the first; no matter your knowledge some things will fail you when God steps in.

funshint:

Astrology or Astronomy. And if it's the first; no matter your knowledge some things will fail you when God steps in.

You see that God that taught them??


He should come and teach me that kind star-studies too

tk4radi:
You see that God that taught them??


He should come and teach me that kind star-studies too

You still don't understand...even it's beyond the knowledge of the wise men themselves.

funshint:

You still don't understand...even it's beyond the knowledge of the wise men themselves.

Since they made use of it, and with the way the pitched their knowledge to King Herod and got him convinced, it meant that they knew what they were saying, and that they had been applying such knowledge confidently even before that time.

Astrology is a section of Satan's household so Satan appeared in the sky like a Star and led his agents first to Herod the great who doesn't want to hear anything about a Christ not born in his own household. Herod the great wanted the baby's death so he cunningly instruct the astrologers to fish out where the baby is and the STAR (Satan) now led his agents to the house where the baby and his parents stays.
The identity of the Star became obvious when Herod the great wasn't given any update, ordered that all baby boys between two years and below to be slaughtered!

So it wasn't an ordinary Star but Satan himself!

MaxInDHouse:
Astrology is a section of Satan's household so Satan appeared in the sky like a Star and led his agents first to Herod the great who doesn't want to hear anything about a Christ not born in his own household. Herod the great wanted the baby's death so he cunningly instruct the astrologers to fish out where the baby is and the STAR (Satan) now led his agents to the house where the baby and his parents stays.
The identity of the Star became obvious when Herod the great wasn't given any update, ordered that all baby boys between two years and below to be slaughtered!

So it wasn't an ordinary Star but Satan himself!

Were you not the f00| that said the fruit that Adam and Eve earth signifies sex? Why aren't you a monk then?

So many demonic utterances you have made on this platform and you think normal people will take you seriously?

Record my insult as part of your RV.

Pedophile.

VenumX:

Were you not the that said the fruit that Adam and Eve earth signifies sex?

It's obvious you're quoting the wrong person but for confirmation please quote where i said the above so everyone can check the thread.

Thanks in advance!

MaxInDHouse:


It's obvious you're quoting the wrong person but for confirmation please quote where i said the above so everyone can check the thread.

Thanks in advance!

Oh, so you now have amnesia that you can't remember all the m0r0nic statements you have made?

You should be drinking hypo by now because your mental tank is d1rty.

Sick f@g.

VenumX:

Oh, so you now have amnesia that you can't remember all the m0r0nic statements you have made? You should be drinking hypo by now because your mental tank is d1rty.
Sick f@g.

I don't think you're OK upstairs!

Just quote me say such nonsense on any of the threads and i'll pay you 100k!

Transfer certain today!

MaxInDHouse:


I don't think you're OK upstairs!

Just quote me say such nonsense on any of the threads and i'll pay you 100k!

Transfer certain today!

As if you even have 10k to begin with. Or was it not from Islam you ran and went to your current sect to beg for money?

Thief!!!

VenumX:

Were you not the f00| that said the fruit that Adam and Eve earth signifies sex? Why aren't you a monk then?

So many demonic utterances you have made on this platform and you think normal people will take you seriously?

Record my insult as part of your RV.

Pedophile.

The highlighted is all i want you to quote from the thread where i Maximus said that.
You're beginning to sound like a mad person o!

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is all i want you to quote from the thread where i Maximus said that.
I am beginning to sound like a mad person o!

This is how everyone sees you on this platform. If you respect your useless self, you will do well to deactivate this your useless account.

VenumX:

This is how everyone sees you on this platform. If you respect your useless self, you will do well to deactivate this your useless account.

OK i get you now, sorry to have responded do enjoy yourself!

tk4radi:
Since the time I was a very little boy, when I first heard this particular story about the visit of the three wise men, I started trying to understand the whole scenario.
I couldn't just get myself to believe the “guiding” part of the “Star” story (just the way I couldn't believe “SOME” miracles that were told in the Bible - as at then - and even up till now)

I had my own questions then as a kid...
How would a star (no matter the size) in the far night-sky above the earth be guiding some people here below, up to the point of guiding them to the very spot - that is, to the very stable - where Jesus was born, and it stopped there?
What type of star was that even?
Was it a shooting star?
It couldn't be.
Was it any other type of star?
Then, the star would always be there, and be visible every night, and thus nothing would have been different about that very special star.

I was gazing at the stars almost every night for more than ten years, until I got tired of gazing, and then, I had to assume that those three wise men were seeing visions.
Ok then.
But how could the three men be seeing the same vision at once.?
Well.
It could be another fairy-tale from the bible.
But then, it was recorded in the Jewish history texts, “that some intelligent men from the far-far-east paid a visit to King Herod in Jerusalem with gifts, but the gifts were Not for Herod”.
History books also had it that King Herod murdered the infants of Bethlehem shortly before his death.
Thus, the story of the three wise men was not a biblical tale. It really happened.

Meanwhile, I deliberately had to stop letting the story of the “Guiding Star Of The Three Wise Men” to continue to bother my innocent childhood and yearly Christmas Celebrations.

Whatever the Star was, I had to let it be..
And up till this moment, (I mean, now that I have known a lot about the stars and the planets), I still cannot understand how a star could “Guide” someone to a particular HOUSE.!!

Along the line, while I was growing, I later-on understood that some “Special Stars” could really appear in the regular night-sky from out of no-where, and they could be visible for some days (and even weeks) before they disappear.
Such special star-like appearances could be comets, planetary conjunctions, novae and supernovae, and so on..

But what remained my puzzle up till today was, how such stars could guide someone to a particular house, AND STOP.
And also, how such stars could announce the “BIRTH” of anyone here on earth, and even indicate the “Direction towards the Location” where such Births happened.
And nobody in our current era is practicing such wisdom of the stars any longer.??

THESE WISE MEN FROM THE EAST, DIDN'T THEY TRAIN ANY SCHOLARS WHO WOULD CARRY ON WITH THE STUDY OF THE STARS??

DIDN'T THEY LEAVE THEIR SCROLLS AND TEXTS BEHIND FOR THE BENEFIT OF FUTURE PERSONS WHO MIGHT WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE STARS JUST LIKE THEM.?

WHY IS IT THAT THE PRESENT-DAY SCHOLARS AND TEACHERS OF “ASTRONOMY” AND “ASTROLOGY” ARE NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO REPLICATE THE WONDERFUL “WISDOM OF THE STARS” WHICH THESE THREE WISE MEN EXHIBITED.??





(The images above were gotten from https://www.space.com/star-of-bethlehem)

Lol

The story of the Three Wisemen is nothing but a forgery foisted on people by the writer of Mathew .

Not only the Star, there are other Miracles involved in their visit.

MaxInDHouse:


OK i get you now, sorry to have responded do enjoy yourself!

Mad ed10t. You have been deleting all the falsehood you uttered on this platform but they still remain fresh in our heads.

Let me see you support domestic violence again on this platform.

B@st@rd.

MaxInDHouse:



That's exactly what would have happened had it been Adam started beating Eve for eating of the forbidden fruit, God will only stop Adam from killing her and directed him to the tree of life where the antidote for the poison is.

MaxInDHouse:


OK i get you now, sorry to have responded do enjoy yourself!

Something is suspicious
Pls don't allow what he says to get to you
Pls ignore completely

Aemmyjah:

Something is suspicious
Pls don't allow what he says to get to you
Pls ignore completely

If you're chatting on line like this you will just find out that many are sadists, beggars, atheists, rapists, pedophiles, hired killers, armed robbers and lunatics!
So whenever i notice such ones i will ignore!