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| Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Steep(m): 11:23pm On Jan 15, 2023 |
There myriads of scriptures that totally anhillate this false teaching. . 1. Authority- we see that not even the archangel micheal can rebuke Satan bit he has to depend on the Lord to rebuke Satan meaning Satan had a higher authority than Michael. Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But Jesus rebuked Satan directly. Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Note that Jesus at his earthly ministry was made lower than the angels. Now if Jesus at his lowest state had more authority than angel Michael then Jesus must indeed be greater than the angels. 2. Jesus accept worship/obeisance Luke 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: God commanded all the angels of God to worship Jesus. Now granted that humans could pay obeisance to earthly kings but angels never pay obeisance to earthly kings only to God alone. Angels never accept worship. Luke 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Steep(m): 11:26pm On Jan 15, 2023 |
Is the voice of the archangel same as the voice of Jesus? 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: This is quite simple. There are three sounds here, the shout of the Lord, the voice of the archangel and the trump of God. 3 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Steep(m): 11:34pm On Jan 15, 2023 |
Jesus share same glory with the father. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Jesus said all things that the father has are his. John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All the glory power and majesty of the father also belongs to Jesus. And these He had with the father before the world began note Jesus wasn't given but he has it with the father. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Steep(m): 11:37pm On Jan 15, 2023 |
Jesus are ministering spirit meaning by nature they are servants. Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Jesus had to lower himself to become a servant. Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Meaning Jesus was never a servant before he took the form. The meaning of angel means servant, archangel means cheif servants. So Jesus was never an angel. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Steep(m): 11:39pm On Jan 15, 2023 |
These are just a few of them. Don't let false religion destroy you, read the Bible for yourself because eternity is not what you play with. 2 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by AntiChristian: 9:51am On Jan 16, 2023 |
A lot of lies has been heaped around Jesus son of Mary! Well, Maxindhouse aka Janosky over to you! |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Janosky: 10:06am On Jan 16, 2023 |
Steep: Please dump this your DUBIOUS claim in the dustbin. @ Zechariah 3:2, "the Lord rebuke you" quoted by Jude 1:9, is Zechariah 3:2 a reference to Jesus? Jude 1:9 & Zechariah 3:2, correct translation is "Jehovah (YHWH) rebuke you." Your fictitious claim is the same as saying that Matthew 4:10 referenced worship to Jesus when you know he quoted Deuteronomy 6:13. Oga, you are not honest to yourself.  |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Janosky: 10:09am On Jan 16, 2023 |
Steep: Your quote says Jesus rebuked Peter not Satan. Oga,Your claim is invalid. |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Janosky: 10:15am On Jan 16, 2023 |
Steep:Why would Jesus Christ not have more authority than angels when your own Bible, Matthew 25:31 , Jesus Christ gave evidence that he leads angels ! A fact further confirmed by Paul the apostle, 2 Thess1:8-9 & 1 Thess 4:16. |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:38am On Jan 16, 2023 |
AntiChristian: This shouldn't be difficult for you nah!  Apart from the Almighty God and the angels do any other living being exist in heaven? So if Jesus came from heaven (John 3:13; 8:23} and he acknowledged that God sent him and angels are God's messengers. What group do you think Jesus should belong?  |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Janosky: 10:39am On Jan 16, 2023 |
Steep: First point. @ Luke 4:8 Jesus Christ himself punctured your TWISTING of Luke 24:52 & Hebrews 1:6. Jesus said: It is written: Worship only jehovah (YHWH) your God and serve Him alone", I know say Oga dey understand that English. 2nd point in the screenshot PROVEN that Luke 24:52 is a manipulation of Trinitarians. Their fraud ehn. 3rd point. Jehovah (YHWH) would not contradict himself @ Deuteronomy 6:13,a fact confirmed by his Son, Jesus Christ @ Luke 4:8 . Therefore, Hebrews 1:6, Paul is conflicting with Luke 4:8 & Deuteronomy 6:13. Luke 24:52 & Hebrews 1:6 are Trinitarian renditions TWISTING the holy scriptures. Hebrews 1:6 the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible disagrees, (Trinitarian like Oga Steep). "All the angels pay homage to him"(Jesus).
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| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Janosky: 10:46am On Jan 16, 2023 |
AntiChristian: Oga, i have responded. The basic meaning of Angel is messenger (son of God) sent by God. John 3:16 & John 7:16, Jesus Christ said he is. He further said he is the leader of angels, Matthew 25:31 and Paul the apostle confirm that, 2 Thessalonians1:8-9 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16. The Bible truth is obvious. |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Janosky: 10:55am On Jan 16, 2023 |
Steep:Oga, you dey understand English? First point: John 5:28 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16, whose voice resurrects the dead? 1 Corinthians 3:23 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16, who owns Jesus and the trumpet Jesus is using? @Genesis 3:15, Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8, who is the Seed? Who is the Serpent? Who defeated the Serpent? The One defeated the Serpent @ 1 John 3:8, does he lead angels in battle Daniel 10:13, Revelation 12:7-9, Matthew 25:31 & 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 & 1Thessalonians 4:16? |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by AntiChristian: 11:27am On Jan 16, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Which other Angel did God send to the world through human womb in the Bible? |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by AntiChristian: 11:29am On Jan 16, 2023 |
Janosky: In Genesis 6:1-4, the Sons of God came to sleep with daughters of men. Do you think Jesus was among these? Which other Angel did God send to the world through human womb in the Bible? |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Steep(m): 12:30pm On Jan 16, 2023 |
Janosky you are really off. Your gibberish does not have head or tail. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Steep(m): 12:35pm On Jan 16, 2023 |
Janosky:There is nothing to argue here. Angels don't have authority to rebuke Satan eg Michael couldn't rebuke Satan without appealing to Jehovah but Jesus rebuked Satan by his own authority. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:08pm On Jan 16, 2023 |
Why not settle one case first before jumping to another? I asked you a question what is your answer? AntiChristian: |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by AntiChristian: 4:59pm On Jan 16, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Many other things exist in heaven as God wills. |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:02pm On Jan 16, 2023 |
AntiChristian: So Jesus could be any of those things but not God Almighty. The Bible never told us anything else exist in heaven apart from God and angels (messengers) that's why it's reasonable to conclude that Jesus must be one of those angels since he himself confirmed that he was SENT by God! 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Janosky: 8:06pm On Jan 16, 2023 |
Steep: @ Jude 1:9 "The Lord rebuke you" is NOT reference at ALL to Jesus. Jude 1:9 & Zechariah 3:2, "the Lord (YHWH)" not Jesus. Jude the apostle copied that expression "The Lord (YHWH) rebuke you" from Zechariah 3:2. Also, both statements at Jude 1:9 & Zechariah 3:2 were made by an angel. Both angels were not talking about Jesus. Oga, check your own Bible and confirm that.. Your Trinitarian mentors , Amplified Bible (in screenshot) already agreed that Jesus Christ is " the angel of the Lord (YHWH)." @Joshua 5:13-15 & Genesis 16:7, argue with your fellow believers receiving conflicting information from the same ghost leading all of you.
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| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by Janosky: 8:20pm On Jan 16, 2023 |
Steep:You are scared to confirm the Bible truth. Jude 1:9 "The lord (YHWH) rebuke you" was said by an angel. Zechariah 3:2,"The Lord (YHWH) rebuke you" was said by an angel. Jude copied the statement of Zechariah. Oga, embrace the Bible truth. |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by AntiChristian: 10:23pm On Jan 16, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: The Bible is not a census on the inhabitants of heaven! Jesus can't be an angel! No specific Bible verse even clarifies this without ambiguities! |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:34am On Jan 17, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Guy is there any other living being in heaven apart from God and angels? If there is please mention and let's learn from the Bible! |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:59am On Jan 17, 2023 |
EVIDENCES! In the opening words of the Bible it was written that God created the heavens and the earth {Gen 1:1} the following verses shows that God was issuing orders to someone saying "let this be like this" {Gen 1:3,6,9,11,14} and the one carrying out the instructions was diligent at his work {Pro 8:30} later Paul's letter to the Colossians made it clear that the one with God in the beginning is the first born of creations {Col 1:15} evidently it's through this master craftsman that all other things were created {Col 1:16} so the master craftsman became God's choicest creature through whom all information is passed to all other creatures, no wonder John could say "in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was a god" Joh 1:1 This creature always represent the true God when there's any crucial issues so he is fittingly called the "angel of Jehovah" {Exo 13:21 compare to 14:19} so when Abraham spoke face to face with an angel representing Jehovah and later entertained three angels {Gen 18:1, 8; Hebrews 13:2} after the Holy Spirit was poured on the first century Jews that became Christians it was revealed to them that no one has ever seen God at any point in time {Joh 1:18} so who is the person that always appear to people as Jehovah? Jesus made it clear that he has been the one always standing for the salvation of God's people {Dan 12:1 compare to Matt 23:37} Jesus was given the power both in heaven and on earth {Matt 28:18} so when talking about resurrection of the dead Jesus is the one who will bring back all those who are dead {Joh 5:28-29; 11:25} it's Jesus' voice that will bring back people from the dead, God's word made it clear that it's the Archangel's voice that will bring back the dead {1Thes 4:16} and he is the same person who commands all the angels in heaven as the one and only archangel! Matt 16:27; 25:31 compare to Rev 12:7 So if anyone is disputing that Jesus is not the archangel Michael let him present a global army of zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word unitedly proclaiming God's Kingdom throughout the earth apart from Jehovah's Witnesses! Psa 110:3 God bless you and may you have PEACE! |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by AntiChristian: 7:47am On Jan 17, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: There's proof that Jesus was a human than he being an angel. Just because the census of heaven wasn't made doesn't mean creatures are not there! Except you have a clear text on that. |
| Re: Is Jesus An Angel According To Jehoavh Witness Organization? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:50am On Jan 17, 2023 |
The reason why you have scriptures is to discern who and what are the things in the spirit realm. So if you decide to expand or broaden your perception beyond what is found in the scriptures then you can't ascertain anything! AntiChristian: |
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