{Quote]Behold your gods; O Islam!

These incidents are well recorded by Muslim historians, so they are not made-up stories.[quote][/Quote]Behold your gods; oh Christianity.
I will list them as follows;

1] Yahweh, who said His Name is I AM to Moses, and Jesus called Him Ellah. We see how well Jesus knew Yahweh, but He knew Ellah well enough.

2] Holy Ghost, who has no Name. Behold a fraud is in the works.

3] Jesus, son of Mary, who prostrated his face and cried to Ellah in his native tongue, instead of Yahweh, Jehovah, I AM!

We have all of the gods of the christians recorded in the Bibles. This above shows that the Bible is equal to history books in Islam; Some truth, some lies.

Muslims are the biggest idolaters of all. That they claim a monotheistic faith does not equate to worshiping the One True God, rather they are worshiping one false god (which is actually a syncretistic mixture of several gods).

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Now we will see what the Quran and the Bible say about God. We cannot cover the whole question, but we will present enough to see that the Koran and the Bible disagree violently regarding God.

THE QURAN DESCRIBES ITS GOD

Sura 3:26 says, O Allah! Owner of sovereignty! Thou givest sovereignty unto whom Thou wilt, and thou withdrawest sovereignty from whom Thou wilt."

According to the Koran, Allah shares his sovereignty with others. This is explained if we read the Hadith where we find that Muhammad took charge of every little detail of the Muslim's life, such things as when to blow the nose, how to wear shoes, when not to pass gas, how to urinate, how to conduct intimate union in marriage, and how to kneel. We will look at some of these later, but it becomes clear who Muhammad meant when he said Allah shares sovereignty. Muhammad meant himself. He was a Prime Minister god to his followers. They could not relate to Allah, who was far away, but Muhammad was god on the spot, day and night, around the clock.

Muhammad is indeed a god to Muslims when we consider how quick and eager they are to kill and destroy at any perceived slight to this false prophet.

Al Hadis, Book 1, Chapter 6, no. 166, Ibn Abbas reported: One day I was behind the messenger of Allah. He said, 'O boy! protect Allah, and he will protect you, ' "

This is even more puerile. Allah has a deal going. A favor's a favor, right? Watch out for Allah as if he has some enemy that only you can keep away from him. Dear Muslim friend, this is the prophet speaking revelation from Allah. It cannot be questioned by a devout Muslim. Please start to think and reason about this business.

Comment: This explains why Muslims are always eager to protect their god: he is too weak to protect himself.

Al Hadis, book 4, Chapter 42, no. 47, Abu Razin Al-Uqaili reported: I asked: O Messenger of Allah: will everybody of us see on the Resurrection Day his Lord in his open form? "Yes" he replied. I asked: And what is the sign of that in His creation? He said: "O Abu Razin! is it not that everyone of you sees the moon in the full moon-lit night in its Unclad form?"

So, according to Allah and Muhammad, his prophet, the moon is the physical manifestation of Allah. It is interesting to note that the moon was a goddess image in Arabia before Islam, and it was called Allat. Allat, the moon goddess, and Al-Uzza, or Venus, got into the Quran temporarily in the "Satanic verses." But, according to Muhammad, this ancient pagan symbol, the moon, is the physical representation of Allah. It is curious also that Muhammad used the word "Unclad." From the beginning, men have tried to UnCloth their gods. The Roman Catholic Church has Unclad prophets, Mary with her bosom hanging out, Jesus nearly Unclad, and angels totally Unclad all over the ceiling of many of its European churches. The Greeks presented their gods Unclad to the people.

JEHOVAH GOD PRESENTS HIMSELF TO HIS PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE

Romans 9:20-21, Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

What potter could give his power to make pots to the pots? The Bible gives us a picture of a total sovereign, Jehovah God, who shares his authority with no one. What a contrast to Allah!

John 15:5, I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Jesus made it clear that the child of God is totally on the receiving end 100% of the time with regard to power. Why? The Divine power is not shared, it is dispensed to flow through the saint.

Romans 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

The God of the Bible did not share his sovereign power with the Apostle Paul. See next who had total control of the power.

Philippians 2:13, For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

According to the Bible, God shares none of His sovereignty with man, especially not with self-exalting prophets like Muhammad. He works in His children by allowing them to do His work under His total control.

Remember the Hadith of Muhammad above-- Al Hadis, book 4, Chapter 42, no. 47, Abu Razin Al-Uqaili reported: I asked: O Messenger of Allah: will everybody of us see on the Resurrection Day his Lord in his open form? "Yes" he replied.. . .

Colossians 2:8-9, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Those who saw Jesus in Israel during his lifetime are the only ones who have seen what God looks like. God made man in His likeness (Genesis 1:26), so Jesus showed us the likeness of God. Jesus said himself that those who saw him saw the Father in full representation:

John 14:9-11. . .he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

If Muhammad wanted to show the sovereign power of Jehovah God as Jesus did, Muhammad would have had to do thousands of healings and cast devils out of people. We will see later that Muhammad himself got sick, and was himself bewitched and ensorcelled. Muhammad did not behave like the God of the Bible, and he did not do the works under God's power.

Hebrews 2:9, But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

For those of us today, including prophets in Arabia in 625 AD, we have to walk by faith without begging for physical representations of God as Abu Razin did in Al Hadis, book 4, Chapter 42, no. 47 above.

Hebrews 11:1, Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Regarding Allah looking like the moon, Isaiah 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem. . .

The moon is not a picture of the God of the Bible because God is never confounded. Perhaps this suits Allah though, for he will be confounded one day by Jehovah God. Jehovah CREATED the moon. The moon is not a picture of God.

We have seen that the Quran and Hadith have a very poor view of Allah. Like a pagan Greek god, Allah shares his sovereignty with man, he needs protection. In the heart of his followers, he is represented by the moon rather than revealed by the Prophet Muhammad, as Jesus Christ revealed Jehovah to his followers.

True Christians refuse to blaspheme God by demanding a physical representation of God, and this condemns the idol worship of the Roman Catholic Churches as well as Muhammad's moon pictures. It is very clear that Allah is alien to the God of the Bible. 

Comment: This shows why the moon is given such prominence in the idolatrous religion of Islam.

Allah and Jehovah are the same the only difference is the origin and the kind of people who use which word. Allah is Arabic and Jehovah English but having the same meaning.

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nonsense, ALLAH and GOD are not the same !!!

Aletheia needs a brain and mind, because he has now are new and unused brain and mind. I dont know how he functions? He cant provide the name of the holy ghost. Can any christian please help him? {Suddenly, there is complete silence. No christian is bold enough to provide the name}.

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Muslims are the biggest idolaters of all. That they claim a monotheistic faith does not equate to worshiping the One True God, rather they are worshiping one false god (which is actually a syncretistic mixture of several gods).

Now we will see what the Quran and the Bible say about God. We cannot cover the whole question, but we will present enough to see that the Koran and the Bible disagree violently regarding God.

THE QURAN DESCRIBES ITS GOD

Sura 3:26 says, O Allah! Owner of sovereignty! Thou givest sovereignty unto whom Thou wilt, and thou withdrawest sovereignty from whom Thou wilt."

According to the Koran, Allah shares his sovereignty with others.[/Quote]I feel like asking you if you got what is in the bold from Verse 26 of Surah Ali Imran. But I realize you will not be able to process the question. So I give you an explanation from the pages of the Bible. If at least you can't understand anything, you must understand that the children of Israel wanted to imitate the other nations which they have came in contact with. They began making a god, a Yahweh when Moses stayed longer than they wanted. We know that the not so eloquent in speech Moses was the law giver over every one of them. What we should notice however, was when they settled in Palestine. Now they need a leader, a king to be precise. So Prophet Samuel was instructed to choose poor man Saul as their King. So now they have a king, a formerly poor man to hold sovereignty over them. Do you get it now?

Maybe you can quite process it all. So let me give you another example. Young man David killed seasoned war veteran Goliath. David later became king. Does that begin to help clear your mind. How about the case of Solomon? How about the prophetic office of a child of a single young mother? Jesus within all natural process, people will call him a bastard. The Jews say he is. Yet Allah elevated him to a lofty position, so much so that you took him for your lord. And none of these people is but a slave who will come to his Creator, Allah Bari Ta'ala, alone in humility, full of hope and mercy from Him.



[Quote]In This is explained if we read the Hadith where we find that Muhammad took charge of every little detail of the Muslim's life, such things as when to blow the nose, how to wear shoes, when not to pass gas, how to urinate, how to conduct intimate union in marriage, and how to kneel. [/Quote]Hey mehn, you must remember the duties of the Another Comforter? He is to lead you to all things. While you will use the bathroom like a cattle, since Jesus didn't teach his disciples any of that, Muhammad [as] as the Another Comforter which is the spirit of truth, as the That Prophet have to teach and explain everything.



[Quote]We will look at some of these later, but it becomes clear who Muhammad meant when he said Allah shares sovereignty. Muhammad meant himself. He was a Prime Minister god to his followers.[/Quote]The Prime minister is no god. The Prime Minister [as] and all his followers bow their will, collectively to Allah Subhanna wa Ta'ala. We are His slaves and we are happy about it.



[Quote] They could not relate to Allah, who was far away, but Muhammad was god on the spot, day and night, around the clock.[/Quote]I imitate Muhammad [as]. He prostrated and I do prostrate. This is not far but near to Allah. It is different from your condition whereby you install son of Mary as your god, even though he prostrated his face to God, Ellah Who sent him. You see how I proved that you are an idolater? My case is not like yours. I give evidence, while you just postulate, thinking that we are gullible to swallow your poo that you post.

[Quote]Muhammad is indeed a god to Muslims when we consider how quick and eager they are to kill and destroy at any perceived slight to this false prophet.[/Quote]Muhammad [as] is no God or god to any muslim. If any muslim imitates the christians in making anyone a deity or Deity, he should join the christian religion, because he is not a muslim. And the bold is not done, by those who do it because Muhammad [as] is their God or god. Now, lets look at the test of a true prophet, from the Bible. How about the New Testament test? It says if a person who says he a prophet says something and it does not come to pass in its time, he is a false prophet. Let me apply this to Muhammad and then Jesus.
Nothing Muhammad said that never come to pass in its time.
Jesus said he will return before the last of his 12 disciples died. You as a christian is still expecting him, because he has not returned and all the disciples are deader than dead, already.



[Quote]Al Hadis, Book 1, Chapter 6, no. 166, Ibn Abbas reported: One day I was behind the messenger of Allah. He said, 'O boy! protect Allah, and he will protect you, ' "[/Quote]I think a christian was trying to show me how merciful his god is once. He said that his god said that he was hungry and the christians didn't feed him. So somebody asked, but you never were hungry around us. So he told them when so and so was hungry, if you had fed him, you would actually be feeding me.
Protect Allah here is simply protect you deen by honoring your commitment in it. That translates to Allah holding His own end of the agreement; forgiving the muslim and protecting him from the greatest and unending hardship. He will not enter Hell Fire, InchaAllah, while others by Command of the Malik Yaumidin are herded into it.



[Quote]This is even more puerile. Allah has a deal going. A favor's a favor, right? Watch out for Allah as if he has some enemy that only you can keep away from him.[/Quote]If Jesus had so much as half of the strength of followers, the jews would not have strung him up like that. You should be throwing dust on your head for worshiping a hung man. I bet he will say he does not know you in the day of Judgement. Watch.



[Quote] Dear Muslim friend, this is the prophet speaking revelation from Allah. It cannot be questioned by a devout Muslim. Please start to think and reason about this business.

Comment: This explains why Muslims are always eager to protect their god: he is too weak to protect himself.[/Quote]The Battle of Badr is a testimony to your lie.



[Quote]Al Hadis, book 4, Chapter 42, no. 47, Abu Razin Al-Uqaili reported: I asked: O Messenger of Allah: will everybody of us see on the Resurrection Day his Lord in his open form? "Yes" he replied. I asked: And what is the sign of that in His creation? He said: "O Abu Razin! is it not that everyone of you sees the moon in the full moon-lit night in its Unclad form?"[/Quote]Even nuclearboy understand this, even though he is blind as a bat. Ask people. The full moon in a clear night is seen in all its brilliance. Allah Will be seen as the Best Reward for all who made it to Paradise. This is without a doubt.



[Quote]So, according to Allah and Muhammad, his prophet, the moon is the physical manifestation of Allah.[/Quote]What is the sign of that in His creation, s not the manifestation. Sign of that is simple give me a similitude of that sight. The Similitude is that you will not miss the appearance of the full moon on a clear night. You will see its total beauty and brilliance. Allah Will be 100% Visible. He is unlike your wrestling god that ordinary Jacob was able to defeat and the people believed in that weak god!



[Quote] It is interesting to note that the moon was a goddess image in Arabia before Islam, and it was called Allat. Allat, the moon goddess, and Al-Uzza, or Venus, got into the Quran temporarily in the "Satanic verses."[/Quote]Aletheia, continue with your lies. Its good for you. Your shaytan has a full run on your life as he did of your god. When we think back at King Solomon, we see that the jews are great and consistent idol worshipers. So when moon god was unearthed, it was in Palestine, home of the Jews. Islam did not open Jerusalem until the kalifat of Umar bin Khattab [ra]. And the satanic verse is the same as the jews hearing Jesus saying ELias when the Bible recorded that he said Ellah. You hear what is dear to your heart. You hear lies and become the conveyor of it. We in Islam know the truth.



[Quote] But, according to Muhammad, this ancient pagan symbol, the moon, is the physical representation of Allah. It is curious also that Muhammad used the word "Unclad."[/Quote]The importance of the moon was so great that Muhammad split it into two, by the Permission of Allah. And the Jews didn't keep Jesus but unclad. And who are the worshiper of the sun and son but the bikini and speedo wearing christians?



[Quote] From the beginning, men have tried to UnCloth their gods. The Roman Catholic Church has Unclad prophets, Mary with her bosom hanging out, Jesus nearly Unclad, and angels totally Unclad all over the ceiling of many of its European churches. The Greeks presented their gods Unclad to the people.[/Quote]The full moon on a clear night is not without secret. It is for everyone to see,

[QUote]JEHOVAH GOD PRESENTS HIMSELF TO HIS PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE[/Quote]He finally graduated from I AM, Yahweh and even Ellah of the lips of Jesus to paul's Jehovah. Who is leaders of Christianity but Paul? And we see why Jesus will say i do not know ye.


[Quote]Roman 9:20-21, Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?[/Quote]The author of this is mr Paul, the liar who was a killer from the beginning. A handwork of Satan by his mind.


[Quote]What potter could give his power to make pots to the pots? The Bible gives us a picture of a total sovereign, Jehovah God, who shares his authority with no one. What a contrast to Allah![/Quote]I know you can count. So count with me; Jesus is god #1, Holy Ghost is god #2 and I AM is god ##. I know you wanna say its 1 God. We see that you will lying as I clearly demonstrated. Unless 2 of the 3 are fakes?


[Quote]John 15:5, I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.[/Quote]I read it somewhere that a certain man god says that by his own power he can do nothing. This is similar to the men. Heck, this man god was therefore a man. Totally. And we see that this verse talks about more than 1 god. at least 2 gods.


[Quote]Jesus made it clear that the child of God is totally on the receiving end 100% of the time with regard to power. Why? The Divine power is not shared, it is dispensed to flow through the saint.[/Quote]son of God? And you think that is truly a God? Who is the wife of God or are we dealing a bastard here or unwilling sex here? You need not to give me this much opportunity to ridicule you. I am enjoying it though. Per chance, Allah may open the eyes of a soul among those who read it.


[Quote]Romans 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.[/Quote]Garbaaagee. I asked my friend last night if Jesus finished everything in the Bible. When he didn't answer, I said to him, did God speak to anyone after Jesus? He finally went back to the first thing, using John to say Jesus said "it is finished". So I asked him if this is what was reported by all the 4 gospels? And why do you choose John instead of the others? The truly gentleman said that it is true that Jesus said other things as his last word. Adding that the hands of humans have entered the Bible. When he spoke about the plague, if adding or subtracting from the Bible is done, I asked if this came to Jesus from Ellah or who was telling us? Well that was where we stopped. Today, I am going to nail Paul to the cross and threw him off the cliff.


[Quote]The God of the Bible did not share his sovereign power with the Apostle Paul. See next who had total control of the power[/Quote]As I recall, the Jews have a different God. Yet both of you share the Bibles, together. You shamefully accepted their OT and use it when it suites you. They rejected your NT, altogether, making fun of you. Some Bibles you people have. With your Trinity who knows what you will hatch out next.


[Quote]Philippians 2:13, For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.[/Quote]Which God, Mr. Paul? Are we talking about the nameless Ghost, or the the baby god Jesus or the third God, father Yahweh?


[Quote]According to the Bible, God shares none of His sovereignty with man, especially not with self-exalting prophets like Muhammad. He works in His children by allowing them to do His work under His total control.[/Quote]You complain like a disputing woman [sorry ladies. none of you is a disputing woman]. Self exalting, when he says I am a slave? How about a mere man who says he is powerless that you made to a god? You exalted him or did he exalt himself by saying he and father are one, and at the end he betrayed himself by the "my God, my God, why hath Thou forsaken me?"


[Quote]Remember the Hadith of Muhammad above-- Al Hadis, book 4, Chapter 42, no. 47, Abu Razin Al-Uqaili reported: I asked: O Messenger of Allah: will everybody of us see on the Resurrection Day his Lord in his open form? "Yes" he replied, . .[/Quote]Open form, to mean an Unseen now becomes Seen. What a Glorious Sight. And Allah will slaughter death. Those who will remain in Hell never die. I pity some of my ascendants who have passed as non Muslims. May Allah not make any Muslim I know, including me enter Hell. Amin.


[Quote]Colossians 2:8-9, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.[/Quote]Let me shake your foundation for a moment with the writing of Paul about lies. Enjoy:
He speaks falsehoods.
7 But if through my falsehood God's truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? (Rom. 3:7)
He does not understand his own actions. Nothing good dwells within him. He does evil.
15 I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good.
17 So then it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it.
19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. (Rom. 7:15-19)

Muslims can run but they cannot hide from history. The idolatrous gods of Islam: Hubal, al-ilah, allat, manat, al-Uzza, ar-Rahman etc, all combined in syncretistic fashion by Islam's false prophet Muhammad under the nomenclature of "the god" is plainly revealed in history. On this thread we have seen how Muhammad's father named the "slave of the god" was ransomed by divination from being offered up as a sacrifice to "the god". Supposedly the Muslims would have us believe that this god was unknown or forgotten before the advent of Muhammad's false ministry and yet we find Abdul-Muttalib, Muhammad's grandfather seeking to sacrifice his son, Muhammad's own father to the same al-ilah.

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Each Arabian tribe adopted their own form of Babylonian deity and Allah is no exception. Extensive study into the history of Allah shows nothing more than a pagan god and nothing more. From it's origins of the god An in Sumer, Allah has seemed to have kept his high god status all the way to Mecca. We must reiterate again that both the Mesopotamians like the Arabs use the god name for virtually every deity. We will look into that in greater detail also.
1. Before Islam Allah was reported to be know as:
--the supreme of a pantheon of gods.
--THE NAME OF A god whom the Arabs worshipped.
--the chief god of the pantheon.
--Ali-ilah, the god, the supreme.
--the all-powerful, all-knowing, and totally unknowable.
--the predeterminer of everyone's life) destiny).
--chief of the gods.
--THE SPECIAL DEITY OF THE QURAISH.
--having three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus), Manah (Destiny), and Alat.
--having the idol temple at Mecca under his name (House of Allah).
--THE MATE OF ALAT, the goddess of fate.
(Afshari, M. J., Is Allah The Same God As The God Of The Bible?, pg. 6)

There is no documented history of Allah's singularity. All we see is that Allah was a high god with 3 daughters, while being the incestual mate of another one, ALLAT. We must wonder why is there nothing ever found to prove that Allah was never worshipped as a god without any consorts? The only thing Muslims try an use to offer in promoting Allah's monotheism is the Quran. But the Quran isn't from pre-Islamic Arabia and is neither a witnesses or an authority in pre-Islamic Arabia. Also notice that Allah was the name of A GOD, not the name of THE GOD OF ABRAHAM. This Muslim argument about this matter is lacking any historical support. This factor is very intruiging indeed.

If we are to base Islamic argument on the idea of "Allah" being the true God because he is the high god, then every other culture who has a high god is also the same as the true god. Is Zeus the word for god in Greek? No it's theos, Is Brahman the name for God in India? No. Muhammad took the high god name "Allah" and called him the God of Abraham because it was his favorite deity as well as the special deity of his tribe, the Quraish.

[Quote]Those who saw Jesus in Israel during his lifetime are the only ones who have seen what God looks like.[/Quote]I bet somebody local was taller than him? Imagine the giant sons of God must be taller than the average height Jesus? And when he was child, we see the child god? When he was a teenager, we saw the teenager god? When he ran to Egypt, we saw the running away god? When he finally was arrested, we saw the arrest god? And when he was being sentenced, we saw the sentenced god. And when we read about his demise, we saw the demised god or dead god? And even after that, he was still walking the shadows, so we saw the still afraid to die the second time god. At this point, aletheia, I have to be ashamed for you because you seem to be thinking like a child in the sand box. Don't give me this many opportunities. I kill your argument, InchaAllah, every time. I own you. You are mine to toy with.


[Quote]God made man in His likeness (Genesis 1:26), so Jesus showed us the likeness of God. Jesus said himself that those who saw him saw the Father in full representation:[/Quote]pastorAIO. I think this is where you shine the most; showing Aletheia his obvious off the track thinking. Talk to him, mehn. Please don't go into ile awo at all. God looking like man? No wonder the christians gods, stacking their powers together repented that they created man. Mere men scared them.


[Quote]John 14:9-11. . .he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.[/Quote]He was sent. Father's power supports me so that he can speak up of what he was sent with. Father does all the works. The "or believe me of the very work" brings the idea to 50% because people are smart enough to know a Powerless man is not God. God is Unseen, yorrr.


[Quote]Muhammad wanted to show the sovereign power of Jehovah God as Jesus did, Muhammad would have had to do thousands of healings and cast devils out of people. We will see later that Muhammad himself got sick, and was himself bewitched and ensorcelled. Muhammad did not behave like the God of the Bible, and he did not do the works under God's power.[/Quote]The cumulative miracles of all prophets, including Jesus are less than what Allah did through His Messenger, Muhammad [as]. The miracle of Muhammad [as] is still alive, today. The try that witnessed him as a child in the company of his uncle in Syria, is still alive and there is a thread about it in the Islamic section titled "The Sahabi {witness} of Muhammad [as]".


[Quote]Hebrews 2:9, But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.[/Quote]This is hilarious. Coming from a liar, paul makes it a thing of comedy. Yet after all the made [created] lower than angels and the suffering and dying, no man has remained, including paul the big time shayatin.


[Quote]For those of us today, including prophets in Arabia in 625 AD, we have to walk by faith without begging for physical representations of God as Abu Razin did in Al Hadis, book 4, Chapter 42, no. 47 above.[/Quote]Except that already settled for a man god.


[Quote]Hebrews 11:1, Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[/Quote]Even when its a lie from a liar?


[Quote]Regarding Allah looking like the moon,[/Quote]Clarity of sight.


[Quote] Isaiah 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem. . .[/Quote]The territory of his reign. This is different from Allah Who says He is the Lord of all things. Read Surah Maryam. The mother of your so called human god. Jesus and his mother, everyone, including you and I will come singly to Allah as slaves, creations. You cant hide.


[Quote]The moon is not a picture of the God of the Bible because God is never confounded. Perhaps this suits Allah though, for he will be confounded one day by Jehovah God. Jehovah CREATED the moon. The moon is not a picture of God.[/Quote]Shhm. Jehovah used to be Yahweh, then used to be I AM, and on the lips of Jesus was Ellah. With so many versions, and repenting, how real is this power?


[Quote]We have seen that the Quran and Hadith have a very poor view of Allah. Like a pagan Greek god, Allah shares his sovereignty with man, he needs protection.[/Quote]And just above jesus was the god. jesus the son of mary. jesus the man was the god of aletheia. We can imagine the mind in the body of aletheia.


[Quote] In the heart of his followers, he is represented by the moon[/Quote]Followers? Muhammad [as] has followers. I am one of them. Allah has worshipers. Muhammad, me, and all Muslims are His worshipers. No Muslim imagine Allah as the moon. But we say that we shall see Him as clearly as people see the full moon on a clear night when we are residing in paradise, InchaAllah. I know all of these are too complicated for yah.


[Quote] rather than revealed by the Prophet Muhammad, as Jesus Christ revealed Jehovah to his followers.[/Quote]How did jesus revealed jehovah, when he says his Lord is Ellah? Jehovah and Ellah are not the same. You are for jehovah and jesus is for Ellah. You people wrote that jesus said that whoever sees him have seen jehovah. Not Ellah Who is Unseen and He is not on earth but above the Heavens.


[Quote]True Christians refuse to blaspheme God by demanding a physical representation of God,[/Quote]So now, jesus is no god anymore, since he was physical?


[Quote] and this condemns the idol worship of the Roman Catholic Churches as well as Muhammad's moon pictures. It is very clear that Allah is alien to the God of the Bible.[/Quote]The gods of the Bibles are aliens to one another. I have asked you in vain to give me the name of the ghost god. Well the Jews with their OT in hand rejects your Trinity. As far as I know, Tri is 3. So you worship 3 gods as a christian; you worship jesus the son of Mary. You worship jehovah. Jehovah is not I AM of Moses and not the Ellah of jesus. You also worship the ghost.


[Quote]Comment: This shows why the moon is given such prominence in the idolatrous religion of Islam.[/Quote]Comment; And i still make my prayers with or without the moon. And you are dealing with sun god of sunday. That will do it. I thank God Who has created you. Your shayatin is driving you so that we in islam can respond to you. I pray someone will accept islam by our efforts. Amin.

Aletheia; How do you like the Bible showing the brilliant color of Paul?

He is your father, the liar and killer from the beginning.

^Paul, Paul, Paul. . .I laugh at your foolishness. You are chasing after Paul while deliberately ignoring your idolatory.

Idolatrous minions of syncretistic al-ilah; follower of Muhammad the false, demon-possessed prophet of Hubal a.k.a. as allah. History shows:

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Allah is a devil from Sumer, a pagan god from Babylon.

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Muhammad and the name Allah

Muhammed at one point WANTED TO ABANDON THE RATHER GENERIC NAME OF ALLAH for a more colorful one, but he later realized that Allah was holding the folks' attention just fine. (Hastings, James, Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Scribners, NY pg. 248)

If Muhammad originally thought of Allah as Muslims do today and would want us to believe that he did, why would he try to change the name of a god who was supposed to be the Almighty? The Quran nor the Hadith literature says anything about this matter and we wonder why is there no mention of this? When Muhammad spoke the Satanic verses he was visited by Gabriel and was told about his mistake, but would God allow a human man to take his name and then change it to what the man wants it to be? Blasphemy.
HOW MUHAMMAD DECIDED TO KEEP ALLAH is simply a matter of which god HE THOUGHT WOULD BE UNIVERSALLY LEAST OFFENSIVE to any particular tribe of Arabs around Mecca. (Muller, Herbert J, The Loom of History, Harper and Brothers, NY pg. 264-265)

From this we have seen that the name Allah has been retained basically because Muhammad was afraid to offend any tribe. That means both the name Allah and the origins of Islam comes from the thinking and idea of the Prophet. It would literally be unimaginable if we saw any biblical prophets try to change the name of God. It would cause an uproar. However we don't see anything like this with Muhammad. If the Arabs knew that he would change the name of the so-called Almighty God they would surely be angry at Muhammad. This shows us that Allah was not really considered the god of Abraham but just the usual supreme deity found in every heathen culture on earth since the beginning of time.

Islamic Sheikh, Ibrahim Al-Qattan, in a lecture given to the International Progress Association in Vienna, said:
The religion of Arabia can be traced by the epigraphic and inscription evidence back to 500 BC, or 1000 years before Muhammed. He said that they had gods named Baal Shamin, Dhu-Samawi, Rahman (which they got from Syria, Persia, and the pagan Cabalist Jews), and Allah. (Al-Qattan, Sheikh Ibrahim, Lecture on Monotheism, I P O Journal, Vienna, pg. 26-29)

Now if the Quran says not to take Jews as friends then why is Muhammad using a name by PAGAN JEWS?
Allah was the highest deity, and his name was inscribed in stone BY JEWISH TRADERS along the Arabian trade routes. These paganized Jews also called him Rahman, while the Arabs called him Allah. (Ibid)

We don't see Elohim, the God of the Jews, mentioned here but a pagan deity called Rahman. This same pagan deity was called Allah and was later used by Muhammad in the Quran! These traders were described as being pagan and if since they were Jews we would expect to see EL, Yahweh or Elohim mentioned as the name of God. However these Jews were pagan and their high pagan god was name Allah. This should be a note to us all in telling about how Allah has nothing to do with Elohim and that the original concept dealing with the Jewish God is non-existent since these Jews never called Allah the God of Abraham but extoled Rahman, a idol, who is mentioned in the Bible as being the god Rimmon. More on this later.

Many other deities were known as Allah and in order for us to believe the Islamic argument that Allah was always the one true god. Then we must also believe that the other gods he was is also the same god. Muslims may claim that the other deities were wrong and therefore should be discarded but however this is based on mere opinion. If we use this same argument with the people who worshipped these other Allah deities, they would claim that the Islamic idea of Allah is also wrong. Hence we would be drawn into an endless circular debate about which deity is the true Allah. Since historically neither claim can be verified we are left with basically conjecture. However we will look at some of these other deities which used the name Allah also.
A stele is dedicated to Qos-allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra (Glueck 516). Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush DISPLAYS A STAR AND CRESCENT (Browning 28).

Allah is also known as Qos-allah but one thing that is very interesting is the part in which the star crescent is found before Islam in Petra. This symbol was first used as symbol of a older pagan deity. Ironically this deity also had the name Allah and just like the modern version used the crescent star. Muslims who attack other religions as being pagan should really be careful since historical inscriptions are showing also that Islam did clearly descend from a pagan heritage.

More and more historical evidence proves that Allah isn't an Arabic word, and was a pagan deity by looking further into history. Persia (Modern-day Iran) has existed long before Arabia and Islam.
Archeologists have found Persian coins in South Arabia that have been dated around 350 B.C. With the record of Persian taxation of Yemen along with this, we see that Persian influence was in Arabia long time ago. (Zwemmer, Current Topics, p. 97, H G Wells, , By Zwemmer, MWJ, Vol. XXIX, 1939)

This is a very important step for us to note since the Quran does contain many Persian words and Islam also has many Persian-like practices. What is more revealing than that is this:
In 520 B.C. Darius, King of Persia built his citadel in a city called Allanush (derived from Allah). Darius grand headquarters WAS NAMED ALLANUSH, IN HONOR OF ALLAH (Olmstead, A T, History of Assyria, Scribner, NY, 1923)

The Persians were clearly a pagan culture and it is interesting that the name Allah, the same of Islam is used as one of the many pagan Persian deities. If Muslims try to interject and claim that Allah was known as the true god and found his way to Persia then they are required to produce their proof if they are truthful. History however will disprove that claim since nowhere is it mentioned before Islam in Persia or Arabia in which Allah was known as the same God of the Jews but in a different name due to culture.

I laugh in aleitheia's language.

how more foolish can a christian get and how much of more ignorance will he/she display?

calling pagan arabian gods "islamic" is like calling the gods of the canaanites israelite or jewish.or may be calling roman gods christian.

i dont blame the pagans for saying that "jehovah is a former pagan deity".same foolishness,take a look:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-756968.0.html

Muhammad (sa) entered Makkah and triumphantly cleansed the Ka'bah from all the idols that were inside and used his own hands to destroy and break al-lat and al-uzza and the over 300 arabian idols placed therein.what a shame for anyone to deny that!!!


christians,if you do not have conscience and you deliberately and openly lie to wrong and provoke others,God will punish each and every individual that does that severely.ameen!

aletheia:


Now if the Quran says not to take Jews as friends then why is Muhammad using a name by PAGAN JEWS?
Allah was the highest deity, and his name was inscribed in stone BY JEWISH TRADERS along the Arabian trade routes. These paganized Jews also called him Rahman, while the Arabs called him Allah. (Ibid)

what is the meaning of Rahman?

Rahman means merciful.so because pagans have an idol or a god called "Rahman" or "Mercy",muslims and christians and everyone else who is monotheistic should stop refering to God Almighty as "Merciful" because pagans use that same word? may be we monotheists should use[b] "monsterous"[/b] just in order to be "different" from the pagans.what more stu.pidity can anyone get?the pagans are then better than the likes of "aleithea" who lack common sense.

Many other deities were known as Allah

let us agree that many "gods" were refered to as "ALLAH",by the pagans.knowing the meaning of the word "ALLAH" and what it stands for,does the naming by the pagans of their "gods" with the word "ALLAH" make those false "gods"  ALLAH?!!! When Muslims say we worship "Allah" do they mean and intend to worship idols? why dont you check what the Holy Quran teaches us about ALLAH and who He is before talking nonsense and falsely accusing Muslims?

if pagans start refering to their "gods" as "Jehovah",does it make their "gods" Jehovah? today you have Hindu preachers who use words like "God","Jehovah","Allah",and all names refering to the One Almighty God who is Unseen to call on their idols.does it then make their Hindu "gods" what we monotheists are worshipping? does it mean we should abandon using those rightful names to refer to the One Supreme Almighty Unseen God because pagan Hindus have hijacked them? or we should ask the Hindus to stop?


likewise,the Kabah is the House of the One Supreme God who is Unseen because that House was built for the sole purpose of worshipping God Almighty alone.so if pagans start keeping their idols inside the Ka'bah,does it mean we should destroy the Ka'bah? or the Ka'bah should be cleansed and the idols destroyed just as the Prophet Muhammad (sa) did upon entering Makkah? what does any sane mind think?the Prophet (sa) restored the Kabah for the worship of the One True Almighty God who is Unseen and he destroyed the idols.

if traditional worshippers turn a church into a shrine,would christians want back their church or would they be accused to have worshipped in the place where pagans worship simply because pagans hijacked that place?

please sane minds should think and answer.

See this pagan! Aren't you saying the same thing I said:

LagosShia:

Muhammad (sa) entered Makkah and triumphantly cleansed the Ka'bah from all the idols that were inside and used his own hands to destroy and break al-lat and al-uzza and the over 300 arabian idols placed therein.what a shame for anyone to deny that!!!

^How is this above different from this that I wrote?

aletheia:

All we see is that Allah was a high god with 3 daughters, while being the incestual mate of another one, ALLAT. We must wonder why is there nothing ever found to prove that Allah was never worshipped as a god without any consorts? The only thing Muslims try an use to offer in promoting Allah's monotheism is the Quran. But the Quran isn't from pre-Islamic Arabia and is neither a witnesses or an authority in pre-Islamic Arabia. Also notice that Allah was the name of A GOD, not the name of THE GOD OF ABRAHAM. This Muslim argument about this matter is lacking any historical support. This factor is very intriguing indeed.

If we are to base Islamic argument on the idea of "Allah" being the true God because he is the high god, then every other culture who has a high god is also the same as the true god. Is Zeus the word for god in Greek? No it's theos, Is Brahman the name for God in India? No. Muhammad took the high god name "Allah" and called him the God of Abraham because it was his favorite deity as well as the special deity of his tribe, the Quraish.

Moreover who was Abdullah supposed to be offered in sacrifice to? Here is a hint as to the identity of the god:

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Another one of Allah's daughters is Al-Uzza. She is also mentioned as an intecessor in the Satanic verses along with Manat and Allat. History shows that:
AL-UZZA WAS BROUGHT TO MECCA BY THE QURAYSH and enjoined to the already established Kaaba worship, but she probably was a local deity in Mecca since the time of Amr ibn Lubayy. IN MUHAMMAD'S TIME, al-Uzza was the most important of the Meccan local deities, perhaps save for HUBAL. Her main sanctuary was in a valley called Hurad, just outside Mecca. It was complete with a haram and a sacrificial altar. (Peter, Muhammad, pg. 110)

This is very striking indeed because it shows how gods (in this case Uzza) was brought from other lands but most importantly it reveals the most important local deity. This deity was Hubal a.k.a "The Lord". This is amazing because Hubal who was Baal was known by the Arabs before Islam, especially the Qurayish (Muhammad's tribe), and even during Muhammad's time as Allah!! In Islamic history Allah is known as the lord of the Kaaba. Since Hubal is known as "The lord" and Allah is known as the lord of the Kaaba, then Allah would be the Hubal of the Kaaba, which explains why the Qurayish used the name "Allah" as another name for Baal.

[size=14pt]The least offensive name of the god in Mecca was Allah according to Muhammad's biographer, Ibn Hisham.[/size] He admits that the pagan Kinanah and Kouraish tribes called the supervising god of the Kaaba IHLAL. [size=14pt]They called the Kaaba "BEIT- ALLAH", house of the god![/size] (Van Netton, Allah Divine Demonic, pg. 94)

Notice earlier that Muhammad wanted to abandon the name of Allah, but decided to keep it since it was least offensive. We wonder what name would he have chose? Since his tribe extoled Hubal, don't be surprised if he would've chose this name. Hubal was the high deity, Allah was also known as the high god of the Arabs and then Ibn Hisham says that the LEAST OFFENSIVE NAME was Allah. If the least offensive name was Allah, this clearly tells us that the god of Mecca had more than one name. Note how IHLAL is found here. Note how again we see the linkage of Allah and Baal! Both were lord of the Kaaba and it was mention that the LEAST OFFENSIVE NAME WAS ALLAH and not THE ONLY NAME WAS ALLAH.

There is no excuse about Muslims not knowing about this since it is found in Islamic history. Muhammad's own biographer mentioned about this matter.


In Arabian archaeology a large number of inscriptions on rocks, tablets and walls, have pointed to the worship of a family of four; one male and his three daughters or goddesses. Those three goddesses are sometimes engraved together with Allah, represented by a crescent moon above them. But Allah was the Lord of the Kaaba. . .Lord of Manat, al-Lat, and al-Uzza. . .and even as Lord of Sirius. (Peters, Muhammad, 98)
And, His daughters were his associates, helpers and were themselves worshipped, after the manner of ancient Babylonian customs and symbolised by astronomical symbols. (Bergsson, Snorri G., Goddesses and Wica worship,'Neo-paganism at its most deceptive form, Islam and Goddess Worship Chpt. IV, pg. 15, 1998-2000); hence the infamous Satanic verses in Sura 53:
Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other?
These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for.


Inscriptions with Baal's name have been found in Central Arabia at some oasis where Arabian inhabitants had settled. The great scholar William Robertson Smith argues that:
The most developed cults of Arabia belong not to the pure nomads, but to these agricultural and trading settlements, which the Bedouin visited only as pilgrims, not to pay stated homage to the lord of the land from which they drew their life, but in fulfilment of vows. (William Robertson Smith, The Religion of the Semites. The Fundamental Institutions (London, 1902), 109)

Muhammad was one of the many traders who traveled the Near East. His tribe was very wealthy and just like every other trader, they brought foreign gods to Arabia. Allah isn't domestic at all but a deity which came to Arabia after his Hajj from Sumer. If Muslims claim that he is the one true God and that he has always been known as this then we must ask them, "Where is your proof before Islam"?
THE PROOF THEY ALWAYS SEEK TO PROVIDE IS TO BE EVER TRYING TO STEAL VERSES FROM THE BIBLE WHICH THEY CLAIM IS CORRUPT. But of course the irony escapes the deluded Muslims!

We not only saw earlier that the Qurayish adopted Allah as Baal but we also know that:
In pre-Islamic days, called the Days of Ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity. . .At Mecca, Allah was the chief of the gods and THE SPECIAL DEITY OF THE QURAISH, THE PROPHET'S TRIBE. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manat, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life, Hubal and more than 300 others made up the pantheon. [size=14pt]The central shrine at Mecca was the Kaaba, a cube like stone structure which still stands though many times rebuilt. Imbedded in one corner is the black stone, probably a meteorite, the kissing of which is now an essential part of the pilgrimage.[/size] (Van Ess, John, Meet the Arab, New York, 1943, p. 29). THUS WE SEE MUSLIMS KISSING AND VENERATING A STONE IN IDOLATROUS FASHION DURING THEIR HAJJ!

Not only was Allah the special deity of Muhammad's tribe, but they worshipped him with 3 daughters. Muslims claim that Allah has always been the true god, but every tribe in Arabia had their own god which they believed to be their favorite. Muhammad isn't any different, nor will we treat him different just because he claimed that Allah was the God of Abraham. If any other proclaimed prophet aroused from any other tribe, and claimed that their god is the One true God, their followers would believe them too. Hence, by taking this approach we must accept every other person who claims that there god is the true god.

The cult of a deity termed simply "the god" (al-ilah) was known throughout southern Syria and northern Arabia in the days before Islam--Muhammad's father was named 'Abd Allah ("Servant of Allah"--and was obviously of central importance in Mecca, where the building called the Ka'bah was indisputably his house. Indeed, the Muslims shahadah attests to precisely that point: the Quraysh, the paramount tribe of Mecca, were being CALLED ON BY MUHAMMAD TO REPUDIATE THE VERY EXISTENCE OF ALL OTHER GODS SAVE THIS ONE. It seems equally certain that Allah was not merely a god in Mecca but was widely regarded as the "HIGH god," the chief and head of the Meccan pantheon, whether this was the result, as has been argued, of a natural progression toward henotheism or of the growing influence of Jews and Christians in the Arabian Peninsula. . .Thus Allah was neither an unknown nor an unimportant deity to the Quraysh when Muhammad began preaching his worship at Mecca. (The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, ed. John L. Esposito, New York, 1995, pp. 76-77)

Not only do we see why Allah became the god of Abraham, but now we know for a fact that this god was Baal before being stripped of its paganistic heritage. If you ask a Muslim how do they know that Allah is the God of Abraham, they will say because of the Quran, and the worship of him as the supreme god of the Arabs and Muhammad's tribe. This would seem good but they tend to use a selective approach, since Allah was originally worshipped first as Baal and then the Quran is basically a self-testimony by Muhammad.

More evidence about Allah and Baal can be seen once we examine the epithets of Baal:
Ba`al- Common epithets of Ba`al

Most High Prince/Master - al iyn. b`l, al iyanu ba`lu

Conqueror of Warriors - al iy. qrdm, al iyu qarradima

Mightiest, Most High, Supreme, Powerful, Puissant - al'iyn, al'iyanu, aleyin, eleyin, aliyin, eliyan, elioun

Warrior - dmrn, damaron, Demarous (Greek)

Hadd, Haddad, Hadad, Hadu, Adad, Addu - hdd

Prince, Master of the Earth - zebul ba`al ?aretz or zubulu ba`lu ?aretsi

Pidar, uncertain meaning, possibly Bright, Flash - pdr, Pidar

Rider on the Clouds - rkb `rpt, rakab arpat or rakibu `arpati

Thunderer - r`mn, rimmon or re`amin

Gapen & Ugar, Vineyard and Field, Baal's pages or messengers - gepanu wa ugaru (IBID)

One of the common epithets, or term used to characterize the nature of a person or thing, of Baal is Thunderer. This word is r'mm, re'amin or rimmon. Now lets investigate about Rimmon from these sources:
In praising the ruler in line 17, the author says he set up worship to Shamash and Rammam. This is the god Rimmon mentioned in the Bible, II King 5:18: Naaman, the Assyrian General, says, "In this thing the LORD pardon thy servant, that when my master goeth into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leaneth on my hand, I bow down myself in the house of Rimmon, the LORD pardon thy servant in this thing." (Sayce in The Hibbert Lectures, p. 511-12, Royal Asiatic Society, London, 1932, Line 14-17)

Naaman had worshipped this god until he was converted to Yahweh through a healing experience in Israel. He was told by God's prophet to go in peace since his heart was right.
It is also interesting to find that Rammanu, who was Rimmon of Assyria, Brahman of India, and RAHMAN OF ISLAM, was also known in Babylon as IL-hallabu. (Langdon, Stephen H, The Mythology of All Races, Vol V, Archeological Institute of America, Boston, 1931 pg. 39)

Not only is it archeologically verified that names used for Baal were used by Muhammad but we know see that the verses in the Quran dealing with Baal, being a false god are nothing more than futile attempts to divert the origin of the name Allah.

aletheia:

Muslims can run but they cannot hide from history. The idolatrous gods of Islam: Hubal, al-ilah, allat, manat, al-Uzza, ar-Rahman etc, all combined in syncretistic fashion by Islam's false prophet Muhammad under the nomenclature of "the god" is plainly revealed in history. On this thread we have seen how Muhammad's father named the "slave of the god" was ransomed by divination from being offered up as a sacrifice to "the god". Supposedly the Muslims would have us believe that this god was unknown or forgotten before the advent of Muhammad's false ministry and yet we find Abdul-Muttalib, Muhammad's grandfather seeking to sacrifice his son, Muhammad's own father to the same al-ilah.

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Each Arabian tribe adopted their own form of Babylonian deity and Allah is no exception. Extensive study into the history of Allah shows nothing more than a pagan god and nothing more. From it's origins of the god An in Sumer, Allah has seemed to have kept his high god status all the way to Mecca. We must reiterate again that both the Mesopotamians like the Arabs use the god name for virtually every deity. We will look into that in greater detail also.
1. Before Islam Allah was reported to be know as:
--the supreme of a pantheon of gods.
--THE NAME OF A god whom the Arabs worshipped.
--the chief god of the pantheon.
--Ali-ilah, the god, the supreme.
--the all-powerful, all-knowing, and totally unknowable.
--the predeterminer of everyone's life) destiny).
--chief of the gods.
--THE SPECIAL DEITY OF THE QURAISH.
--having three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus), Manah (Destiny), and Alat.
--having the idol temple at Mecca under his name (House of Allah).
--THE MATE OF ALAT, the goddess of fate.
(Afshari, M. J., Is Allah The Same God As The God Of The Bible?, pg. 6)

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Behold your gods, O Islam!

just to further add and clarify issues:

let us take christmas and easter as two examples.these holidays were pagans in origin and christians adopted them and blended the exact days into their religion and attributed them to their god (Jesus).but names like Allah and beautiful attributes like "ar-Rahman" which means merciful,are monotheistic and abrahamic in origin and meaning,and it was the pagans that hijacked them.it is therefore the opposite case.so we have to be careful when trying to know what is pagan or of pagan origin and what is not and who started what and why.

Alhamdulillah. In my absence, the lion is here to eat Aletheia up.

There are still other lions. Some of them are using Miswak to cheapen their teeth for a clean and terminal bites.

@Aletheia; Your case is like the case of Abu Lahab. I read the surah revealed about his demise, as my own tradition within the tradition of the Messenger [as], always on Mondays.

I seek the Anger of Allah on Abu Lahab, every mondays, always.


If you die as a disbeliever, the condition of disbelief is tragic.

Paul, Paul and more Paul it is. He made a human god and you swallow it"big time" in ignorance.

I as a yoruba man, with all the idolatry in yoruba land know what is idolatry.And Islam is not it.


Look at odun-ifa, aka PastorAIO. now thats idolatry. Christianity is another form of it, just like Hindus or Buddhist, etc.

Even the Jews, according to Jeremiah.

Let me rest, some more. I know you will never be able to provide a name for the holy ghost. Even if at just before your life ends, you are given double amount of years to present me with a name. You will not be able to provide it. Thats guaranteed by Allah, coming from this follower of Muhammad [as], the final Messenger of Allah.

^
Abu Lahab; the man that so exposed your false prophet that he composed a whole sura for him. Understand this: your imprecations and curses have no power. . .for indeed you Muslims are an idolatrous lot worshipping Baal and your behaviour is exactly like that of the men who contended with Jerubaal (Gideon) in the book of Judges. If indeed Baal/Hubal/Allah is god let him fight for himself. But Allah cannot fight for himsellf and needs his followers to do so on his behalf because:

In 2500 BC in Assyria from the historical record we can find the meaning of Akbar. The Muslim has a chant he shouts when he is spiritually excited or when he is angry with some heretic. It is, "Allah u Akbar," and it is supposed to mean, "Allah is Great." This is what Muhammed chanted as he defeated the Kouraish in Mecca and rode around the Kaaba on his camel.
Well, Akbar is a strange thing to call Allah. Hislop tells us that there was a legend in Babylon that Nimrod tried to destroy the light, and Shem rescued it. The story says that mice were the producers of light, and they produced the light for Shem. [size=14pt]The word for mouse in Chaldean is "Aakbar." In Arabic and Turkish it is Gheber or Kheber. So, when Muhammed cried "Allah u Akbar" in Mecca, he was actually saying, "Allah is a mouse." This exposes Islam for exactly what it is, a canonizing of fairy tales.[/size]

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LagosShia:

Muhammad (sa) entered Makkah and triumphantly cleansed the Ka'bah from all the idols that were inside and used his own hands to destroy and break al-lat and al-uzza and the over 300 arabian idols placed therein.what a shame for anyone to deny that!!!

See this pagan! Aren't you saying the same thing I said: How is this above different from this that I wrote?

All we see is that Allah was a high god with 3 daughters, while being the incestual mate of another one, ALLAT. We must wonder why is there nothing ever found to prove that Allah was never worshipped as a god without any consorts? The only thing Muslims try an use to offer in promoting Allah's monotheism is the Quran. But the Quran isn't from pre-Islamic Arabia and is neither a witnesses or an authority in pre-Islamic Arabia. Also notice that Allah was the name of A GOD, not the name of THE GOD OF ABRAHAM. This Muslim argument about this matter is lacking any historical support. This factor is very intriguing indeed.

If we are to base Islamic argument on the idea of "Allah" being the true God because he is the high god, then every other culture who has a high god is also the same as the true god. Is Zeus the word for god in Greek? No it's theos, Is Brahman the name for God in India? No. [size=16pt]Muhammad took the high god name "Allah" and called him the God of Abraham because it was his favorite deity as well as the special deity of his tribe, the Quraish.[/size]

Moreover who was Abdullah supposed to be offered in sacrifice to? Here is a hint as to the identity of the god from your own Muslim sources:
When the man took the arrows to cast lots with them, 'Abdu'l-Muttalib (Muhammad's grandfather) [size=16pt]stood by Hubal praying to Allah.[/size] Then the man cast lots and 'Abdullah's (Muhammad's father) arrow came out.

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Another one of Allah's daughters is Al-Uzza. She is also mentioned as an intecessor in the Satanic verses along with Manat and Allat. History shows that:
AL-UZZA WAS BROUGHT TO MECCA BY THE QURAYSH and enjoined to the already established Kaaba worship, but she probably was a local deity in Mecca since the time of Amr ibn Lubayy. IN MUHAMMAD'S TIME, al-Uzza was the most important of the Meccan local deities, perhaps save for HUBAL. Her main sanctuary was in a valley called Hurad, just outside Mecca. It was complete with a haram and a sacrificial altar. (Peter, Muhammad, pg. 110)

This is very striking indeed because it shows how gods (in this case Uzza) was brought from other lands but most importantly it reveals the most important local deity. This deity was Hubal a.k.a "The Lord". This is amazing because Hubal who was Baal was known by the Arabs before Islam, especially the Qurayish (Muhammad's tribe), and even during Muhammad's time as Allah!! In Islamic history Allah is known as the lord of the Kaaba. Since Hubal is known as "The lord" and Allah is known as the lord of the Kaaba, then Allah would be the Hubal of the Kaaba, which explains why the Qurayish used the name "Allah" as another name for Baal.

[b]The least offensive name of the god in Mecca was Allah according to Muhammad's biographer, Ibn Hisham. He admits that the pagan Kinanah and Kouraish tribes called the supervising god of the Kaaba IHLAL. They called the Kaaba "BEIT- ALLAH", house of the god! (Van Netton, Allah Divine Demonic, pg. 94)

Notice earlier that Muhammad wanted to abandon the name of Allah, but decided to keep it since it was least offensive. We wonder what name would he have chose? Since his tribe extoled Hubal, don't be surprised if he would've chose this name. Hubal was the high deity, Allah was also known as the high god of the Arabs and then Ibn Hisham says that the LEAST OFFENSIVE NAME was Allah. If the least offensive name was Allah, this clearly tells us that the god of Mecca had more than one name. Note how IHLAL is found here. Note how again we see the linkage of Allah and Baal! Both were lord of the Kaaba and it was mention that the LEAST OFFENSIVE NAME WAS ALLAH and not THE ONLY NAME WAS ALLAH.[/b]

There is no excuse about Muslims not knowing about this since it is found in Islamic history. Muhammad's own biographer mentioned about this matter.


In Arabian archaeology a large number of inscriptions on rocks, tablets and walls, have pointed to the worship of a family of four; one male and his three daughters or goddesses. Those three goddesses are sometimes engraved together with Allah, represented by a crescent moon above them. But Allah was the Lord of the Kaaba. . .Lord of Manat, al-Lat, and al-Uzza. . .and even as Lord of Sirius. (Peters, Muhammad, 98)
And, His daughters were his associates, helpers and were themselves worshipped, after the manner of ancient Babylonian customs and symbolised by astronomical symbols. (Bergsson, Snorri G., Goddesses and Wica worship,'Neo-paganism at its most deceptive form, Islam and Goddess Worship Chpt. IV, pg. 15, 1998-2000); hence the infamous Satanic verses in Sura 53:
Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other?
These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for.

These verses were later changed to effect a cover up, to try to cover up the polytheistic origins of allah (al-ilah) hubal that Muslims worship today.

Inscriptions with Baal's name have been found in Central Arabia at some oasis where Arabian inhabitants had settled. The great scholar William Robertson Smith argues that:
The most developed cults of Arabia belong not to the pure nomads, but to these agricultural and trading settlements, which the Bedouin visited only as pilgrims, not to pay stated homage to the lord of the land from which they drew their life, but in fulfilment of vows. (William Robertson Smith, The Religion of the Semites. The Fundamental Institutions (London, 1902), 109)

Muhammad was one of the many traders who traveled the Near East. His tribe was very wealthy and just like every other trader, they brought foreign gods to Arabia. Allah isn't domestic at all but a deity which came to Arabia after his Hajj from Sumer. If Muslims claim that he is the one true God and that he has always been known as this then we must ask them, "Where is your proof before Islam"?
THE PROOF THEY ALWAYS SEEK TO PROVIDE IS TO BE EVER TRYING TO STEAL VERSES FROM THE BIBLE WHICH THEY CLAIM IS CORRUPT. But of course the irony escapes the deluded Muslims!

We not only saw earlier that the Qurayish adopted Allah as Baal but we also know that:
In pre-Islamic days, called the Days of Ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity. . .At Mecca, Allah was the chief of the gods and THE SPECIAL DEITY OF THE QURAISH, THE PROPHET'S TRIBE. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manat, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life, Hubal and more than 300 others made up the pantheon. The central shrine at Mecca was the Kaaba, a cube like stone structure which still stands though many times rebuilt. Imbedded in one corner is the black stone, probably a meteorite, the kissing of which is now an essential part of the pilgrimage. (Van Ess, John, Meet the Arab, New York, 1943, p. 29). THUS WE SEE MUSLIMS KISSING AND VENERATING A STONE IN IDOLATROUS FASHION DURING THEIR HAJJ!

Not only was Allah the special deity of Muhammad's tribe, but they worshipped him with 3 daughters. Muslims claim that Allah has always been the true god, but every tribe in Arabia had their own god which they believed to be their favorite. Muhammad isn't any different, nor will we treat him different just because he claimed that Allah was the God of Abraham. If any other proclaimed prophet excited from any other tribe, and claimed that their god is the One true God, their followers would believe them too. Hence, by taking this approach we must accept every other person who claims that there god is the true god.

The cult of a deity termed simply "the god" (al-ilah) was known throughout southern Syria and northern Arabia in the days before Islam--Muhammad's father was named 'Abd Allah ("Servant of Allah"--and was obviously of central importance in Mecca, where the building called the Ka'bah was indisputably his house. Indeed, the Muslims shahadah attests to precisely that point: the Quraysh, the paramount tribe of Mecca, were being CALLED ON BY MUHAMMAD TO REPUDIATE THE VERY EXISTENCE OF ALL OTHER GODS SAVE THIS ONE. It seems equally certain that Allah was not merely a god in Mecca but was widely regarded as the "HIGH god," the chief and head of the Meccan pantheon, whether this was the result, as has been argued, of a natural progression toward henotheism or of the growing influence of Jews and Christians in the Arabian Peninsula. . .Thus Allah was neither an unknown nor an unimportant deity to the Quraysh when Muhammad began preaching his worship at Mecca. (The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, ed. John L. Esposito, New York, 1995, pp. 76-77)

Not only do we see why Allah became the god of Abraham, but now we know for a fact that this god was Baal before being stripped of its paganistic heritage. If you ask a Muslim how do they know that Allah is the God of Abraham, they will say because of the Quran, and the worship of him as the supreme god of the Arabs and Muhammad's tribe. This would seem good but they tend to use a selective approach, since Allah was originally worshipped first as Baal and then the Quran is basically a self-testimony by Muhammad.

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One of the common epithets, or term used to characterize the nature of a person or thing, of Baal is Thunderer. This word is r'mm, re'amin or rimmon. Now lets investigate about Rimmon from these sources:
In praising the ruler in line 17, the author says he set up worship to Shamash and Rammam. This is the god Rimmon mentioned in the Bible, II King 5:18: Naaman, the Assyrian General, says, "In this thing the LORD pardon thy servant, that when my master goeth into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leaneth on my hand, I bow down myself in the house of Rimmon, the LORD pardon thy servant in this thing." (Sayce in The Hibbert Lectures, p. 511-12, Royal Asiatic Society, London, 1932, Line 14-17)

Naaman had worshipped this god until he was converted to Yahweh through a healing experience in Israel. He was told by God's prophet to go in peace since his heart was right.
It is also interesting to find that Rammanu, who was Rimmon of Assyria, Brahman of India, and RAHMAN OF ISLAM, was also known in Babylon as IL-hallabu. (Langdon, Stephen H, The Mythology of All Races, Vol V, Archeological Institute of America, Boston, 1931 pg. 39)

Not only is it archeologically verified that names used for Baal were used by Muhammad but we know see that the verses in the Quran dealing with Baal, being a false god are nothing more than futile attempts to divert the origin of the name Allah.

Muslims can run but they cannot hide from history. The idolatrous gods of Islam: Hubal, al-ilah, allat, manat, al-Uzza, ar-Rahman etc, all combined in syncretistic fashion by Islam's false prophet Muhammad under the nomenclature of "the god" is plainly revealed in history. On this thread we have seen how Muhammad's father named the "slave of the god" was ransomed by divination from being offered up as a sacrifice to "the god". Supposedly the Muslims would have us believe that this god was unknown or forgotten before the advent of Muhammad's false ministry and yet we find Abdul-Muttalib, Muhammad's grandfather seeking to sacrifice his son, Muhammad's own father to the same al-ilah.

Behold your gods, O Islam!

[Quote] Re: Do You Believe That Allah Is Same As Jehovah?: Vote
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^ Grin
Abu Lahab; the man that so exposed your false prophet that he composed a whole sura for him. Understand this: your imprecations and curses have no power. . .for indeed you Muslims are an idolatrous lot worshipping Baal and your behaviour is exactly like that of the men who contended with Jerubaal (Gideon) in the book of Judges. If indeed Baal/Hubal/Allah is god let him fight for himself. But Allah cannot fight for himsellf and needs his followers to do so on his behalf because:[/Quote]read about Abu Lahab [lana]. You will hope not live, for sure die like him?

Or it your wish to die like Abi Lahab? Say the word, and we will pray his end for you, if that's your desire. Your choice, mehn.

If that Surah was a test of Prophetic office, Muhammad [as] passed.

If promise of return was a test of Prophetic office, Jesus failed.

The rest of your post is frosbel-like;cut and paste.

^You must be getting desperate, threatening me with sura 111. I have already told you your imprecations and curses have no power over a follower of Jesus of Nazareth. Go ahead and pray your Abu Lahab prayer; your god can do nothing for allah is indeed a mouse (akbar)! Make sure not to try and scare him away as you "pray" because you know how easily mice are frightened away.

FROM WIKIPEDIA,MAY BE ALEITHEA CAN OPEN UP HER HEAD!


Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/ or /ˈɑːlə/;[1] Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA: [ʔɑlˈlɑː] ( listen), [ʔalˤˈlˤɑː]) is the Arabic word for God (with a capital G) while "ʾilāh" is the term used for a deity or a god in general.[2][3][4] It is used primarily by Muslims, but also by Bahá'ís, Eastern Catholic Christians, Maltese Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, Mizrahi Jews and Sikhs.[5][6][7] It is related to ʼĔlāhā in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and the New Testament.


Etymology

The Arabic components that build-up the word "Allah"

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʾilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[8] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[9] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply "God".[10] In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah, Punjabi (Gurmukhi): ਅਲਹੁ is used 46 times respectively.

The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[11][12] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.[13] Allah is unique, the only Deity, creator of the universe and omnipotent.[5][6] Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-ʾAb (الله الأب, "God the Father" to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.[14] There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur'an and the Hebrew Bible.[15] It has also been applied to certain living human beings as personifications of the term and concept.[16][17]

Unicode has a codepoint reserved for Allāh, ﷲ = U+FDF2.[18] Many Arabic type fonts feature special ligatures for Allah.[19]
Usage in Arabic


Pre-Islamic Arabia

In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity.[20]
Allah at Rohtas Fort Pakistan

Allah was not considered the sole divinity; however, Allah was considered the creator of the world and the giver of rain. The notion of the term may have been vague in the Meccan religion.[8] Allah was associated with companions, whom pre-Islamic Arabs considered as subordinate deities. Meccans held that a kind of kinship existed between Allah and the jinn.[21] Allah was thought to have had sons[22] and that the local deities of al-ʿUzzā, Manāt and al-Lāt were His daughters.[23] The Meccans possibly associated angels with Allah.[24][25] Allah was invoked in times of distress.[25][26] Muhammad's father's name was ʿAbd-Allāh meaning "the slave of Allāh"[25]


Islam


According to Islamic belief, Allah is the proper name of God,[27] and humble submission to His Will, Divine Ordinances and Commandments is the pivot of the Muslim faith.[5] "He is the only God, creator of the universe, and the judge of humankind."[5][6] "He is unique (wāḥid) and inherently one (ʾaḥad), all-merciful and omnipotent."[5] The Qur'an declares "the reality of Allah, His inaccessible mystery, His various names, and His actions on behalf of His creatures."[5]
Allah script outside Eski Cami (The Old Mosque) in Edirne, Turkey.

In Islamic tradition, there are 99 Names of God (al-ʾasmāʾ al-ḥusnā lit. meaning: "The best names" each of which evoke a distinct characteristic of Allah.[6][28] All these names refer to Allah, the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name.[13] Among the 99 names of God, the most famous and most frequent of these names are "the Merciful" (ar-raḥmān) and "the Compassionate" (al-raḥīm).[6][28]

Most Muslims use the untranslated Arabic phrase ʾinšāʾ Allāh (meaning "God willing" after references to future events.[29] Muslim discursive piety encourages beginning things with the invocation of bismi-llāh (meaning "In the name of God".[30]

There are certain phrases in praise of God that are favored by Muslims, including "Subhan-Allah" (Holiness be to God), "Alhamdulillah" (Praise be to God), lā ʾilāha ʾilla-llāh (There is no deity but God) and "Allāhu Akbar" (God is great) as a devotional exercise of remembering God (zikr).[31] In a Sufi practice known as zikr Allah (lit. remembrance of God), the Sufi repeats and contemplates on the name Allah or other divine names while controlling his or her breath.[32]

Some scholars[who?] have suggested that Muhammad used the term Allah in addressing both pagan Arabs and Jews or Christians in order to establish a common ground for the understanding of the name for God, a claim Gerhard Böwering says is doubtful.[27] According to Böwering, in contrast with Pre-Islamic Arabian polytheism, God in Islam does not have associates and companions nor is there any kinship between God and jinn.[27] Pre-Islamic pagan Arabs believed in a blind, powerful, inexorable and insensible fate over which man had no control. This was replaced with the Islamic notion of a powerful but provident and merciful God.[33]

According to Francis Edwards Peters, "The Qur'an insists, Muslims believe, and historians affirm that Muhammad and his followers worship the same God as the Jews (29:46). The Koran's Allah is the same Creator God who covenanted with Abraham". Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites.[15]


[size=14pt]Christianity[/size]

The Aramaic (i.e. the language Jesus spoke) word for "God" in the language of the New Testament is ʼĔlāhā, or Alaha in later Syriac, as used by Assyrian Christians.

Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[7] The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.[14] (Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for 'God'.) Arab Christians for example use terms Allāh al-ʾab (الله الأب) meaning God the Father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) mean God the Son, and Allāh ar-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) meaning God the Holy Spirit (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God).

Arab Christians have used two forms of invocations that were affixed to the beginning of their written works. They adopted the Muslim bismi-llah, and also created their own Trinitized bismi-llah as early as the eight century CE.[34] The Muslim bismi-llah reads: "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." The Trinitized bismi-llah reads: "In the name of Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, One God." The Syriac, Latin and Greek invocations do not have the words "One God" at the end. This addition was made to emphasize the monotheistic aspect of Trinitian belief and also to make it more palatable to Muslims.[34]

According to Marshall Hodgson, it seems that in the pre-Islamic times, some Arab Christians made pilgrimage to the Kaaba, a pagan temple at that time, honoring Allah there as God the Creator.[35]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization

@Aletheia; « #50 on: Yesterday at 09:46:36 PM »
[Quote]^You must be getting desperate, threatening me with sura 111. I have already told you your imprecations and curses have no power over a follower of Jesus of Nazareth.[/Quote]you sound like ignorant sam shamoun. Jesus of Nazareth? Are you talking about the son of Mary in the Bible? Did you not see his end on the pages of the Bibles? Read it, again. I know you did not pay attention to the confusions; The Jews without Surah 111 killed him. Thats what your Bibles say. You people are so confused about his end that the account of his last statement a classic joke; between a god crying to another God Who forsook him and it is finish, which is the truth, if it is not something entirely different? Can I jokingly suggest "Thank You God for preserving my life from the hands of the enemy of Truth, the children of Israel?"

Aletheia, since Jesus was from his lips, powerless, you will be a complete fool to rely on him, if you choose me to pray the end of Abu Lahab for you. Look, evil doers, prayers for disasters befit them, the reason Musa [as] prayed to Allah at long last to destroy Fir'aun {Lana}. Make your choice if you wanna join the rank of Ariel Sharon. I know you are a weak person. You want disaster, I will ask Allah on your behalf. This slave is bold. I do not need a go between to talk to the Unseen. I can do it all by myself. Its in there on the pages of the QUran. Your call, Aletheia.



[Quote] Go ahead and pray your Abu Lahab prayer; your god can do nothing for allah is indeed a mouse (akbar)! Make sure not to try and scare him away as you "pray" because you know how easily mice are frightened away. Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]This is where you want to find yourself? Its your call. Those who have been enemies of Allah, before, during and after the lifetime of Muhammad [as] have had tragic ends. I do not know that even the small brain, you do not have. What a waste of talent and from humanity. Its your wish. Allah will answer it for you. Say Amin, to it. When you say it, I am free from you. Write the Amin, so that people can see it and we all wait for the Decision of Allah.

Sweetnecta:

Aletheia, since Jesus was from his lips, powerless, you will be a complete fool to rely on him, if you choose me to pray the end of Abu Lahab for you. Look, evil doers, prayers for disasters befit them, the reason Musa [as] prayed to Allah at long last to destroy Fir'aun {Lana}. Make your choice if you wanna join the rank of Ariel Sharon. I know you are a weak person. You want disaster, I will ask Allah on your behalf. This slave is bold. I do not need a go between to talk to the Unseen. I can do it all by myself. Its in there on the pages of the QUran. Your call, Aletheia.

^Shut up there! Why all this peregrinations and false bravado? I have already told you: go ahead and pray to your god. . .allah is a mouse (akbar)! Make sure to shout so that he can hear you. You know your god is powerless else you would have prayed your Abu Lahab prayer by now. . .so that we will see the so-called power of the god of Muhammad. Nonsense.
See who is praying for someone. Did not Abu Lahab and your false prophet Muhammad die in similar ways - in excruciating pain and agony after suffering injury at the hands of women. What is the difference between the deaths of Abu Lahab and his nephew Muhammad?

muhammads grandfather was a famous Pagan Chief of the Banu Quraysh, LagosShia. he was also a devotee of Hubbal, Lord of the Moons. it isnt his fault that his grandson turned out to be a bad egg.

@Aletheia; « #54 on: Today at 11:37:35 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:52:56 AM
Aletheia, since Jesus was from his lips, powerless, you will be a complete fool to rely on him, if you choose me to pray the end of Abu Lahab for you. Look, evil doers, prayers for disasters befit them, the reason Musa [as] prayed to Allah at long last to destroy Fir'aun {Lana}. Make your choice if you wanna join the rank of Ariel Sharon. I know you are a weak person. You want disaster, I will ask Allah on your behalf. This slave is bold. I do not need a go between to talk to the Unseen. I can do it all by myself. Its in there on the pages of the QUran. Your call, Aletheia. Grin
^Shut up there! Why all this peregrinations and false bravado? I have already told you: go ahead and pray [/b]to your god. . .allah is a mouse (akbar)! Make sure to shout so that he can hear you. You know your god is powerless else you would have prayed your Abu Lahab prayer by now. . .so that we will see the so-called power of the god of Muhammad. Nonsense.
See who is praying for someone. Did not Abu Lahab and your false prophet Muhammad die in similar ways - [b]in excruciating pain and agony after suffering injury at the hands of women. What is the difference between the deaths of Abu Lahab and his nephew Muhammad?[/Quote]Aletheia, I made the prayer, already. Look at it, above. I asked you to simply say Amin to it. This way, you are confirming it on your own head, with your own tongue, by writing it out, the Amin, for everyone to see. I know you can't do it, because the Jesus of Nazareth that you depend on is weak.

If you think he will avert the disaster from you, you will simply write the Amin out for all of us to see.

If any christian says to me that I should say Amin after a curse that believe that Jesus is no God, I will do it in a heart beat, because I know there are no Trinity, but One Supreme Creator. He is not a 3 person, persons, and He does not have a son. And Jesus and Holy Spirit are nothing but creations, slaves. This I am certain about.

Your refusal to say Amin, shows that your faith is false.

And the death of Muhammad [as] an even that happened 3 years almost after consuming poisoned meat, while others died on the spot, is a sign of his prophetic office, if you ask me, considering that he died at 63.

63 years is almost twice of 33. 33 years was the age of the Biblical Jesus who died according to the Bible, by mere horse whipping and a few nails. He died with thieves, in matters of few hours from the beating, according to your Bible. I know you will not see his weakness in all of these. But you will not deny, if you have any spiritual wisdom, that a person who "resurrected", according to the Bible, should not be expecting to die again. So why was Jesus walking not in the open, instead, hiding himself from the Jews? I tell you. He fainted only and he knew the Jews will really kill him if he showed his face in the public. The Jews knew that resurrection is on the Day of Judgement, only. So they would realized that Jesus didn't die, if they saw him moving freely about the places.

I do think that you should be able to realize that the death of Muhammad, at 63 is more noble and prophetic than that of being hung with thieves, dying in the market, city, town or village square at 33, within a matter of hours. Even the thieves died in just as quick. What separate him by strength from the thieves? What separate Muhammad [as] by strength from his companions [ra] was at least, the companions died right there and it took 3 years for Muhammad to die, after living relatively a normal life in all of the 3 years.

You know that everyone will go through the agony of death. That was his as a shehid. What you have to do now is simply say Amin to my dua. If you didn't see it above, let me make a simpler dua here and now, along the same line of your position. Write the Amin, if you are certain of the ability of Jesus to prevent you against any and all evil; If Allah is your Creator, yet you deny Him and the last Messenger [as] that He sent, may your end be similar to the end of Abu Lahab. Thats the prayer. Say Amin if you are sure that your position is true.

if you make prayers now that may my end be similar to [whatever] if Jesus and or the Holy Spirit are my Creators or Creator, yet I am denying them, etc. I will immediately write out Amin. I am certain that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not in the position to hurt or benefit me. Guaranteed. By Allah.

^Do you have maggots for brains?. . .Has Islam rotted whatever little gray matter, you had to start with? You claimed to have prayed to your mouse god concerning my demise. . .what do you need my assent for. I should say amin to a prayer directed to an idol called al-ilah? Do you think I am silly like you Mr Hamzah and I pray to false gods and idols like Muslims?
Let allah do his worse, and we know his worse is nothing because allah is a false god, a stone idol in Kaaba in mecca. Nonsense! Deluded dog of al-ilah, did Abu Lahab say amin to sura 111? Again i ask you:

aletheia:

Did not Abu Lahab and your false prophet Muhammad die in similar ways - in excruciating pain and agony after suffering injury at the hands of women. [size=14pt]What is the difference between the deaths of Abu Lahab and his nephew Muhammad?[/size]

Answer the question above if truly you are a man and not a dog/slave/swine of allah. . .coward, you know the answer to that question and dare not answer it.

Here we have idolaters (calling themselves Muslims) worshiping a god who by the process of henotheism ended up with Hubal/Baal/al-ilah (Allah) trying to seek legitimacy for their false god by claiming El Elohe Yisrael as the same as theirs. In similar fashion did the idolatrous Jews try to claim that Baal was Yahweh Elohim. Same modus operandi. It was always so that Satan will claim to be god.

Here is the verdict and witness of history: Allah is Satan and Muhammad is his false prophet!

^^^^^^^^^^^ Just say Amin, and your story will be over.

I said your gods will not be capable of protecting you.
You have validated my statement by your just shuffling about the places.

Amin is easy to say and enough to express your firm belief.

If Pagan9ja and you and the jews make your duas that your gods are God against me, I will quickly dispute each of you by saying Amin to prove my resolve.

You know Jesus can do nothing, the reason you are just going on about it without saying simply, Amin to my dua, against your disbelief.


Behold, Aletheia is a pagan who is certain that his idols can do nothing. I don't blame you. After all, you don't even know who your holy ghost is. How can you trust the ghost. The people who celebrate Halloween know that it is a make believe. Its a ghost.

^If Allah is indeed your puissant god, why do you need my amin for him to answer your prayer that I should come to harm?

Typical Muslim; chasing after Christians to lend legitimacy to their sham religion of idol worship. [size=16pt]So Allah nows needs this Christian's amin to answer the prayer of one of his Muslims.[/size] Oya sharp, sharp, begin to submit all your prayers to me for approval. Apparently, Allah needs my Christian permission to act. That is as it should be: For in Christ, I am far above Allah and your demon god must bow and acknowledge that Jesus is Lord. Halleluyah! Allah does indeed bow to Jesus!

Even the out and out pagan worshipers will not ask someone who doesn't believe in their gods to say amin for their prayers to work. And thus is revealed the weak, pathetic and muddled nature of Islam; so muddled in it's idolatry that it requires another's amin for it's weak mouse of a god: Allah is a mouse (akbar!) to act.

And oh yes:

aletheia:

See who is praying for someone. Did not Abu Lahab and your false prophet Muhammad die in similar ways - in excruciating pain and agony after suffering injury at the hands of women. What is the difference between the deaths of Abu Lahab and his nephew Muhammad?

aletheia:

Answer the question above if truly you are a man and not a dog/slave/swine of allah. . .coward, you know the answer to that question and dare not answer it.

In fact; I am going to ignore your diversionary tactic. In increased desperation at the truth concerning the documented pagan origins of al-ilah a.k.a as Allah a.k.a Hubal a.k.a Baal; you seek to turn it into a tale about the "Father of flame". Your pretensions are easily punctured by asking you describe how Abu Lahab's death is similar to Muhammad's death: both died in excruciating pain and agony after being injured/poisoned by women respectively. . .so I wonder who was praying for who. One of history's ironies!

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The pre-Islamic origin of "Allah" - (The truth that "Muslims" hide from you!)
1. There is absolutely no question that Allah was worshipped by the pagan Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods.
2. Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was born. Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar with. The pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped.
3. Many scholars say "Allah" is derived from a compound Arabic word, AL + ILAH = Allah. "Ilah" in Arabic is "God" and "Al" in Arabic is a definite article like our word "the". So from an English equivalent "Allah" comes from "The + God". Others, like Arthur Jeffery say, "The common theory is that it is formed from ilah, the common word for a god, and the article al-; thus al-ilah, the god," becomes Allah, "God." This theory, however, is untenable. In fact, the name is one of the words borrowed into the language in pre-Islamic times from Aramaic." (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85)
4. [size=16pt]Although "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god".[/size] In comparison to the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible. "Jehovah" is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless Muslim God. However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that corresponds to Jehovah. Both the Father and the Son are called "ho theos" (The God). Jesus is called "The God" many times in the New Testament: John 20:28; Heb 1:8.

An important conclusion from this, is that the mere fact that "Allah" is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" does not mean they are directly corresponded. It certainly doesn’t prove Allah is the same as the God of the Old or New Testament. It does not prove that Muslim’s worship the same God as Christians. If this correspondence proved the Muslim god was the same as the Christian God, then because pagan religions also have generics that correspond to "the god" (Allah), this correspondence would also prove that Allah is the same god as the Buddhist god, for Buddhists also refer to their god as "the god".

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[b]The part highlighted in point #4 above is the crux of the matter which Muslims seek to conceal. The top god of the pantheon was Hubal/Baal who was known to his devotees as "the god." Then along came Muhammad and elevated him to "monotheistic" status. Islam may be "monotheistic" but it does not change the fact that the god of Islam is Hubal/Baal. The sleight of hand used to hoodwink people is that Muslims have dropped the name Hubal/Baal in place of the nondescript "the god (Allah)."
What has happened is similar to what the ancient Pharaoh Akhenaten attempted when he tried to promote the worship of his favorite solar deity Aten as the one true god to the exclusion of other Egyptian deities. . .his short-lived faux-monotheism did not outlive him, but in Muhammad's case; Muhammad succeeded in carrying out the same gambit.
Another way of looking at it is to consider for example an ancient Greek prophet succeeded in starting a religion in which he declares that Zeus is the only true god and successfully convinces others to use the Greek word "ho theos" (the god) in place of the proper name Zeus. Does this in any way negate the fact that "the god" is still Zeus, a false god?
Just so it is with Islam; Muhammad succeeded in starting a religion in which he declares that his favorite solar/lunar deity Hubal/Baal is the only true god and successfully convinces his followers to use "the god" (Allah) in place of Hubal/Baal. Just so was the Trojan horse strategy of Satan's false prophet Muhammad in setting up this most Antichrist of religions. . .which claims monotheistic worship of a false god, while retaining all it's paganistic polytheistic rituals.[/b]

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^If Allah is indeed your puissant god, why do you need my amin for him to answer your prayer that I should come to harm?[/Quote]All this yeye thing you dey no make sense. you see me aa say? If you believe your Jesus will protect you from my Allah, just say Amin. That will seal your fate, sharp, sharp.

I made simple dua to the One you do not believe in, you are scared that the one you believe in is unable to help you, is the only reason you are dancing around, writing 10 pages of nothingness instead of a simple Amin.

If you make your own prayer or curse against me for disbelieving in trinity, I will say Amin, in bold letters.


I see how you are a closet antichrist. If you aint antichrist, you will be saying Amin right now. You time is here, to either put up by writing Amin against yourself or shut up, because you know your gods are powerless.


I have been calling your bluffs for almost 2 days straight now. You have been failing and everyone is seeing that you are a hypocrite. You fully know that Jesus can't do nothing and thats why you are refusing to write Amin.

No christian can't. He or she knows that the time will be up as it was up for Fir'awn after Musa [as] made dua against him. You are a tyrant, Aletheia.


Cook your own goose, mehn, by just saying Amin to my prayer. I dare you. I tempt you. I know you are running scared. Your mouth is worthless now. A prayer from the simple slave of Allah is more potent than the wrote efforts of the jews against Isa bin Maryam [as]. While the jews failed, Allah will make me victorious.

@Aletheia; Yaa Kafiri. This is for you.


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