I repeat, give Catholics exact instructions of my above post on Imageries (Lamb, Lion and Dove) and not biblical references. No posting of pictures - Pilgrim take note.

However, Catholics believe they don’t worship Mary or idols, but if Protestants say we worship her or idols – then they are the ones that blasphemy or commit sins against the Holy Name of God, and will be held liable.

I repeat, give Catholics exact instructions of my above post on Imageries (Lamb, Lion and Dove) and not biblical references. No posting of pictures – Pilgrim, please, take note.

However, Catholics believe they don’t worship Mary or idols, but if Protestants say we worship her or idols – then they are the ones that blasphemy or commit sins against the Holy Name of God, and will be held liable.

@ ebos
Hey brother, i needn't explain any of my actions to you. I am God's creature, and if the word of God is true (as i believe it is) then I will not be judged by whatever Church I go to - be it white garment or red garment- i thought the thread was for people to air their opinion. My opinion is that unlike all the apostasies you preach about only Catholics going to Heaven, the visa to that glorious place is not the name of a church. it is the TOTAL BELIEF in Jesus and the fact thaonly He can save. finito! if u have any problem with that, go and settle it with Jesus, He said so i did not.

So take am easy, u hear?

Mosetra:

So take am easy, u hear?

Mosetra,

do not get offended okay. ebos just took a snipe at you its not being easy in battle for him with our force and atttimed you fel like releasing the heat. I like your calmness too.

bros ebos,

we are together okay. Will definately engage you suitably soon. Cheers.

@Mosetra,
I take am easy. I no fight you and no intention to so. we no be enemies here, but your stuff be irk me enough - though na your humble opinion. Back to the thread.

Make una Protestants also take am easy

At times, I feel like exploding because of the way some people argue without listening. There was a day I read some stuffs in Nairaland about Catholic, my actions that very day would have landed me in jail due to anger as I was venting my anger on some people on the way.

Catholics have said many times that they don’t worship Mary, but Satan would always tell these people – don’t listen to them, just remind them once more what Pope said about Mary, that they should put their trust in her. What does that mean?

Catholics believe that Jesus is their only saviour, but Satan would still ask them – don’t agree with them, what of those big titles they give only Mary – just call their attention to those names.

Catholics believe idol worship is one of the gravest sins that can incur the wrath of God, yet Satan would still tell them – why not ask them all those statues in their various churches, and Protestants would do as Satan had told them.

Catholics also believe in Infant Baptism – Satan would also push them – ok ask them where infants were baptized in bible, make dem quote the portions make we see. However, Satan cannot tell them to quote the exact portions in the bible that condemned infant baptism, rather they will prefer to give references such as ‘believe and be baptized, that a child cannot believe.’

The truth is that, no portions in the bible condemned infant baptism. It is even John Chapter 3:5 that encouraged infant baptism because it says NO ONE can enter the kingdom of God except you are born of Water and Spirit. Here, NO ONE includes children, it didn’t say No Man or Woman, rather NO ONE. But when Catholic gives such reference in the bible, they will still ask “show us the exact portions where bible instructed that infants should be baptized. But they have not given us exact portions to back their points.

@ Texazzpete

"Man, use your head! Even the title of this thread says 'Honour to Mary'. Where have you seen any Catholic claiming to worship Mary? I'm sorry to be so harsh, but it's pretty dense when people like you keep parroting this untruth"

The above quote shows how the Catholic church has been able to imbibe the fruits of the spirit into your life.
I will say no more for now.

@Mosetra,

Mosetra:

@ pilgrim 1

you have not read anything yet. Whenever anyone points out anything doctrine that seems unchristian in the CC, Catholics scream to the highest heavens of being attacked by Protestants.

Bo, my sister, I tire! I've been observing from the sidelines and allowing our Catholic friends to confirm those words on marble!

Okay, ebos. . . me and you still get our friendship intact! Catholicism or Protestantism no go separate us in Jesus Christ. But, as I used to say. . . join me in a song to praise the LORD O. . . before I clear my throat!


_{Angels are singing You are worthy O LORD. . . You are worthy O LORD!!}

@ebos,

It's a very funny twist you're devising as defence for Catholicism. I initially piped down to give you guys some room to develop your thoughts; but having watched events from the sidelines, you've prompted a rigorous come back from me on issues which I'd have to address in yours so we don't confuse the dramatic interludes with the core concerns of this thread. Even so, let's examine them in simple terms.

ebos:

The Revelation Chapter 12.

I have read all your posts but of the view that your explanations are really on shaky ground and does not in any way relate to the revelation. As for Cgift, I hope Pilgrim had already kicked your points out - that Christ did not come out of the Church rather the Church was established after Christ. So, the woman is not the Church.

Like I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their understanding of Revelation 12, so I don't see how my points or understanding of that passage should "kick out" cgift's without having done the same to yours. I'm just waiting to see how you came round the point in mine, though.

ebos:

Now Pilgrim, you said the woman referred in Revelation Chapter 12 was Israel and the dragon was or were foreign nation(s) that attempted to wipe Israel.

Nope, I didn't make the inference you're suggesting here. I did infer that the woman in Revelation 12 was neither the Roman Catholic Church, nor even "the Church" founded by the apostles; but that it referred to the nation of Israel.

On the other hand, I stated clearly that: "vs. 4 - the 'dragon' is indeed the 'devil' (cf. Rev. 20:2)" - and not "foreign nation(s)" as you misread my post (please go back and read it again).

@ebos,

ebos:

Let me remind you, Israel as a nation could not be the woman hence less than 10% of the Israelites believed in the name of the Son (Jesus) the woman gave birth. It was still the Jews (Israel) the dragon used and tried unsuccessfully to kill the Child when He was born, and not foreigners.

Lol. . okay, let's outline them:

(a) The text in Revelation 12 does not identify the woman by how many percent (10%) of Jews believed in Christ. The Bible clearly states that it is of the Israelites "of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came" (Rom. 9:4 & 5). There's no beating round the facts, dear ebos.

(b) It was rather by the Gentile political system of Rome under Herod at that time that the Devil tried to kill Jesus at infancy (cf. Matt. 2:13 - "for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him". As regarding my previous point that "the devil has always tried to wipe out Israel completely from the face of the earth", please see Acts 7:19 as an example that confirms the case >>

"The same dealt subtlely with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers,
so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live."

(c) Even so, who actually were held responsible for condemning Jesus and putting Him to death? You made the case that it was not foreigners that could have been involved in the "unsuccessful" plot; but Scripture affirms that both Jews and Gentiles are held accountable for the deed. First, because the Lord Jesus Himself prophesied it several times, saying --

"Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered
unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him
to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles" (Mark 10:33).

Notice the double mention of "deliver(ed)" in that verse; which the apostles repeatedly proclaimed in the Acts --

"Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God,
ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain"
(Acts 2:23)

"And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that
he should be slain." (Acts 13:28)

compare with Matt. 20:19 - "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock,
and to scourge, and to crucify him".

The point is that both Jews and Gentiles were involved in condemning and crucifying Christ.

@ebos,

ebos:

The Jews (Dragon or Herod) was not able to kill the Child because the Mother fled to a foreign land.

There again, that's not correct. The Dragon in Revelation 12 is neither the Jews nor Herod; rather, it is the Devil - compare with Rev. 20:2 - "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years." Unless you want to accuse the Jews of being the Devil, I don't see how you arrived at equating them to the "Dragon or Herod", lol.

Second, the Dragon was not able to kill the Child because He was "caught up unto God, and to his throne" (Rev. 12:5), and not because the Mother fled to a foreign land (after all, she did not flee into the wilderness with the Child, did she?).

Third, you're contradicting yourself here, my dear ebos. . .lol. Did you not say earlier that the dragon was the devil? Why now infer that the Jews would be the "Drogon or Herod" in parenthesis?

ebos:

This shows that the dragons was or were not those foreign nation(s) you claimed, because God used a foreign nation (Egypt) to save the Child’s life from His own people (Israel).

Lol. . . you see how misreading people's posts could take you a far way off track?   Okay, rest your heart - pilgrim.1 did NOT claim that the "dragons" (plural) were the foreign nations, biko. Besides, Revelation 12 does not teach that the Child's life was saved by Egypt!   It says rather in verse 5 that He "was caught up unto God, and to his throne" - and that was the reason why the Dragon could not devour Him.

Infact, I simply didn't respond initially to your rejoinder on Revelation 12, because you were attributing assertions to me that I never made. Since you didn't not come back to correct them, I initially teased you when I said: "pilgrim.1 don shut up" - e no mean say I no get wetin to talk!


Remember my anthem? "Na my own I dey jeje when . . . ."  Lol, okay make I keep quiet some more to allow you cool off the steam. I busy today as well - but I go show sooner than you can guess.


Cheerio.

ebos:

However, Catholics believe they don’t worship Mary or idols, but if Protestants say we worship her or idols – then they are the ones that blasphemy or commit sins against the Holy Name of God, and will be held liable.

Okay, I hear. . . e be like say time don dey near for me to post the clear statements of the Popes and Bishops that would burst your bubble. When you read them, wetin you go do?

I'll hold on for now.

ebos

leave infidel alone the guy has his points u know. do u think these guys are ever going to understand what u r saying (maybe in your dreams sha).

any body with good enough sense can always see through their flawed arguments.

but let them enjoy.

I think this is a really cool forum. There really is no point argueing so, let me just say that I've no apologies for being born into a Catholic family and for being a Catholic. To all those antagonists,I say: SO MUCH LOVE. Since you'll never beat us(and thats a fact) JOIN US!!!
Adios!

Okay, I hear. . . e be like say time don dey near for me to post the clear statements of the Popes and Bishops that would burst your bubble. When you read them, wetin you go do?

Ave Maria, gratia plena, dominus tecum, benedictatu in mulieribus et benedictus fructus ventris tui Jesus.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostra, Amen.

Well I think so many people have gone to misunderstand the reason for this thread. It started with attarck and it is trying to end with attarck. I think the only who deserves this attarck is satan. Some people leave knife and take grudge to the pot. I have said it countless number of time. Every religion exist to please God as free will given to all mankind. No mater what you believe in which you think others dont, then you ask yourself how does that you believe in helps you help others, do good? I think that is the main reason why christ came. Catholic or no catholic, believe or no believe, dogma or no dogma is not what God is asking. That what you believe, that what you do, how have you help others through. So if your answer is yes go ahead.

The belief Catholic church has so many years before the advent of protestants, yrs ago, grumbling like this for me is a waste of time. Can somebody tell u as a christian that Bible is Devils handwork because he saw something he dont understand and u agree?. No good christian will suscribe to that, the same to Catholic. God said teach your child properly the way when he grows he will not depart from it. Pls check ur agurment and note that christianity is not a religion of opposition and arguement. It a religion of peace, tolerance, understanding and love because Holy spirit dwell in both Catholics and protestants.


Remeber bible is not a means of aguement nor destructive criticisms. It is a book of knowledge which if used properly you will get wisdom. For reading Bible alonbe doesnt give you wisdom but applying. So dont show us u read bible but u practise what helps others

Error might be in post pls pardon me am in a hurry.

Thanks

@carlosein

My brother you have point there. Wetin me I dey read - hum, Satan strong no be small. But I no fit understand why Infidel go use the word stupid in this thread. The guy be make some points, but that word no fit am. Direct insult.

My happiness is that all Catholics have no doubt in what they believe.

@
pilgrim,

Wetin you wan post? Abi, make we begin fight? You knwo two of us no suppose fight at all. Abi na lie? I go still tell you where you be get Rev. 12 wrong.

Carlosein:

pilgrim.1 link=topic=75506.msg1510687#msg1510687 date=1190196621:

Okay, I hear. . . e be like say time don dey near for me to post the clear statements of the Popes and Bishops that would burst your bubble. When you read them, wetin you go do?

Ave Maria, gratia plena, dominus tecum, benedictatu in mulieribus et benedictus fructus ventris tui Jesus.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostra, Amen.

Lol. . . all that one na serious prayer to prevent your brethren from falling apart when they read the statements of the Popes and Bishops on "worshipping" Mary? Cool down. . . I won't be a rascal so soon, eh? But the time don dey reach!

Enjoy.

@ebos,

ebos:

@
pilgrim,

Wetin you wan post? Abi, make we begin fight? You knwo two of us no suppose fight at all. Abi na lie?

You know sey me and you no sign contract to fight at all - and I don talk say I go wait until. . . dem begin misbehave again!

ebos:

I go still tell you where you be get Rev. 12 wrong.

Okay, I'll be patient.

Enjoy.

The Rosary, A most Beautiful Prayer is sent straight from Heaven:

Our Father - Luke11:2-4
Straight from our Lords lips

Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee - Luke 1:28
In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to the virgin Mary with this message - direct from God

Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus - Luke 1:42
On hearing Mary's greeting Elizabeth's child leapt for joy and she was filled with the Holy Spirit and thus excalimed. The Holy Spirit thus declared her state.

Holy Mary Luke 1:28
Again, it came straight from God through Angel Gabriel, that she was the object of divine grace here on earth, and she lives now in heaven with her Son, still highly favoured by God

Mother of God Luke 1:43
Elizabeth exclaims 'but why is this granted to me, that the mother of my God should come to me?' A declaration made as a result of the Holy Spirit speaking in her

Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen


No combination of human words can equal the power of these above because of their divine origin!!

PROUDLY CATHOLIC!
Catholic For Life!!!!!!!!!!!
Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary!!!!!!

This is my favourite Prayer of Thanksgiving from the bible. It was first said by our blessed Mother after the declarations from God and the Holy Spirit through Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth. I say it whenever anything good happens to me: Luke 1:46-55

My soul doth magnify the Lord.
And my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour.
Because He hath regarded the humility of His handmaid:
For behold from henceforth ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED.
For He that is mighty hath done great things to me, and holy is His name.
And His mercy is from generation unto generations to them that fear Him.
He hath showed might in His arm:
He hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart.
He hath put down the mighty from their seat: and hath exalted the humble.
He hath filled the hungry with good things: and the rich He hath sent empty away.
He hath received Israel His servant: being mindful of His mercy.
As He spoke to our fathers: to Abraham and to his seed forever.

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost.
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.


PROUDLY CATHOLIC!!
Catholic For Life!!!!!!!!!!!
Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary!!!!!!

The many Titles of our blessed Mary:

Holy Mary

Holy Mother of God

Holy Virgin of virgins

Mother of Christ

Mother of divine grace

Mother most pure

Mother most chaste

Mother inviolate

Mother undefiled

Mother most amiable

Mother most admirable

Mother of good counsel

Mother of our Creator

Mother of our Savior

Virgin most prudent

Virgin most venerable

Virgin most renowned

Virgin most powerful

Virgin most merciful

Virgin most faithful

Mirror of justice

Seat of wisdom

Cause of our joy

Spiritual vessel

Vessel of honor

Singular vessel of devotion

Mystical rose

Tower of David

Tower of ivory

House of gold

Ark of the Covenant

Gate of Heaven

Morning star

Health of the sick

Refuge of sinners

Comforter of the afflicted

Help of Christians

Queen of angels

Queen of patriarchs

Queen of prophets

Queen of apostles

Queen of martyrs

Queen of confessors

Queen of virgins

Queen of all saints

Queen conceived without Original Sin

Queen assumed into Heaven

Queen of the most holy Rosary

Queen of peace


How fortunate, that I have the Mother of my Lord speak on my behalf at all times!!!

I remain,
PROUDLY CATHOLIC!!
Catholic For Life!!!!!!!!!!!
Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary!!!!!!

soldee, pls continue to pray your rosary cos the devil is not happy when we do so, hence he tries to dissuade children of God most high and of the most Blessed Virgin from doing so.

well he wages a losing battle. Our Lady asked the children of fatima (and all of us too), to make reparations for all such things as published above cos she knew it will always be there, so no amount of "u worship mary" will make true catholics stop being children of the Virgin most Powerful.

You feel me.

ebos, soldee, carlosein et all, have you read the book, 50 years in the church of Rome, and Glories of Mary ?(most nuns and priests) have it i know? What about the Secret rules of the convent? Let me put this poser to you: Do you know that your pope is very much against you using your intellects? One more thing: Do you know that catholics are the very first that will get the mark of the beast and that the RCC is evolving very fast to soon reveal its true self as the ANTI-CHRIST?

Do you know the concordats and the relatioship between the papacy and the US government concerning the new world order? Its one of two things: 1.) You guys are not very deep as it relates to the scheme of things in the RCC and what obtains at the Vatican. 2) You know these things but the oath you have sworn to the papacy has made you to deliberately deny them in the open.

Well we have made our points known, he who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the the saints of God still remaining in the RCC. I believe with all of my heart that many of them who have followed the discourse that are heirs of salvation in Christ would run away from that fold.

@Carlosein,

Carlosein:

soldee, please continue to pray your rosary because the devil is not happy when we do so, hence he tries to dissuade children of God most high and of the most Blessed Virgin from doing so.

So then, who exactly is the devil in this thread that Catholics feel are dissuading the 'children of God' simply because non-Catholics are engaging issues on this topic? Just talk wetin dey your mind - you won't be the first to confirm how Catholics regard non-Catholics. . . oya talk am straight!

Carlosein:

well he wages a losing battle. Our Lady asked the children of fatima (and all of us too), to make reparations for all such things as published above because she knew it will always be there, so no amount of "u worship mary" will make true catholics stop being children of the Virgin most Powerful.

Lol. . . make una take style face up and talk true - if you know your Catholic history, you can't deny it is on record that your Popes and Bishops have stated openly that Catholics worship Mary. QED. And in your statement above, you're not doing any different in calling Mary "most Powerful". Make una continue - we are here to read you confirm what we have been saying all along. . . na small-small we go arrive at the heart of the matter!

Cheers.

@soldee,

Glad to see that the rejoinders in this thread put you to work! It is commendable also that you had tried to offer some verses for the 'Ave Maria' prayers; but seems you got stuck along the line and could not complete what you began. My observations:

soldee:

The Rosary, A most Beautiful Prayer is sent straight from Heaven:

Our Father - Luke11:2-4
Straight from our Lords lips

I don't think anyone on this thread has argued about the model prayer commonly known as "the Lord's Prayer" (Matt. 6:9-15 or Luke 11:2-4). The question here is where the Catholic Church got to harvest the "Ave Maria" from - and that's where you got stuck. Anyhow, make we continue:

soldee:

Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee - Luke 1:28
In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to the virgin Mary with this message - direct from God

Not true - the angel Gabriel did not call or address Mary by the appellation "FULL OF GRACE" - and I've already discussed that issue. No Catholic has come back to point out otherwise that he did.

soldee:

Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus - Luke 1:42
On hearing Mary's greeting Elizabeth's child leapt for joy and she was filled with the Holy Spirit and thus excalimed. The Holy Spirit thus declared her state.

What exactly was her "state" (or did you mean "status" that the Holy Spirit thus declare in that verse?

soldee:

Holy Mary Luke 1:28
Again, it came straight from God through Angel Gabriel, that she was the object of divine grace here on earth, and she lives now in heaven with her Son, still highly favoured by God

#1. The angel Gabriel did not pronounce those words "Holy Mary" you typed up there in Luke 1:28. What he said is simply "Hail Mary" - and the word "Hail" is a common term of greeting in those days, even as the Lord Jesus used it in saluting ALL the disciples after His resurrection - Matt. 28:9 -- "Jesus met them, saying, ALL hail"! Even the favourite Catholic English translation (Douay-Rheims) does not have "HOLY Mary" in Luke 1:28, but instead it reads as "HAIL". Where did you get the "HOLY Mary" from?

#2. ALL Christians are the object of divine grace - as confirmed in John 1:14 & 17 ("The Word was . . FULL of grace. . . And of His fulness have all we received, and grace for grace" and Ephesians 1:6 where Paul used the same term in Greek ('highly favoured') to speak of the blessing which EVERY Christian enjoys through Christ. The Bible did not say "of HER fullness", but rather "of HIS fulness" we have received grace for grace.

soldee:

Mother of God Luke 1:43
Elizabeth exclaims 'but why is this granted to me, that the mother of my God should come to me?' A declaration made as a result of the Holy Spirit speaking in her

The Holy Spirit does not tell lies or twists God's WORD. Elizabeth did not call Mary "the mother of my GOD" in Luke 1:43 - rather, she addressed Mary as "the mother of my Lord"; and it is the Catholic Church that wants people to believe that Elizabeth called Mary "theotokos" ('Mother of God') where such a term is not found among any of the apostles. Where did you get the "mother of my GOD" from?

soldee:

Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen

Mary does not pray for nobody; and the title of "co-redemptrix" and "co-mediatrix" is a fallacy - the Vatican knows this, but they won't tell you in plain honesty.

soldee:

No combination of human words can equal the power of these above because of their divine origin!!

No wayo from the Vatican can twist God's WORD and make it read otherwise than God revealed it.

soldee:

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost.
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

Amen O! As you can see, it is not a matter of "glory to Mary". Do you remember that the Catholic Church executed someone for daring to say "Praise be to God" instead of "Ave Maria"? No worry, just take style go back to your history . . na small-small.

soldee:

The many Titles of our blessed Mary:
- - -
How fortunate, that I have the Mother of my Lord speak on my behalf at all times!!!

Lol. . . there are over 6,000 titles the Catholic Church has engineered for Mary. Can I ask how many they have reserved for Jesus Christ? How many titles do you know for God the Father?

Oh, by the way, you forgot a very important title of Mary: the Catholic Bishop who performed the burial rites of Pope John Paul II used the title of "The savior of the people of Rome"! Abi you sef forget that one also?

soldee:

The many Titles of our blessed Mary:
. . .

Virgin most powerful

Virgin most merciful

Virgin most faithful

Isn't it amazing that Catholicism clearly demonstrates the fact that it has taken the divine titles of God and given them to Mary in Mariolatry?

Who is "most Powerful"?

Who is "most merciful?"

Who is "most faithful"?

Let your conscience help you to answer those simple questions in all honesty.

soldee:

The many Titles of our blessed Mary:
. . .

Ark of the Covenant

Morning star

Again, what do you understand by the term "Ark of the Covenant"?

Lol. . . Who is the "Morning Star", soldee? Have a look - "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star" (Rev. 22:16). Who was speaking in that verse - Mary or Jesus?


Any more revelations to confirm that Catholics worship Mary? Please post them. We have said a few times that Catholics focus more on Mary than on Christ - I'm still waiting for any sound Catholic to tell me how many titles they have for Jesus Christ!

Enjoy plenty.

Act of faith: Oh my God I believe in you and ALL THAT YOUR CHURCH TEACHES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SAID IT AND YOUR WORD IS TRUTH.

Ave Maria, spes nostra, Regina Mundi, Ora pro nobis peccatoribus, amen.

ebos (m)   Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary!All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #38 on: August 31, 2007, 05:14 PM »  

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Dear Readers, just check what most Protestant friends have constantly said about Catholic.

Compare and Contrast What the Protestants think about Catholic And What they think about their Churches (Pastors)  

1. The Beasts (666) are the Catholic Popes.   (But for Protestants- Touch not my anointing and do my Pastors no harm.  This statement is for them and not Catholic Priests (wondering the yeye Pastors)

2. The Priests are cult members.  (But for Protestants - Their Pastors are God anointed (even though most of which are  self-anointed (backyard anointing) that cannot trace it to the Apostles)

3. Mary is a demon therefore Jesus Mother deserves no honour. (But for Protestants - Mummy they call their Pastors’ wives and hold them high

4. It is a sin to hang Jesus Christ pictures in the House of God  (But for Protestants - Their Pastors pictures are suitable to hang in the House of God and no wahala

5. Catholics worship idols. (But for Protestants - They worship the living God (even so many Pastors have been exposed as having occultic power)

6. Catholic should repent. (But for Protestants - All Protestants are born again Christians).  Me seeing the so-called self-styled born again them, and would those whose forefathers were worshipping Agbara (Idols) 100 years ago convert a church that started missionary work and introduced Christianity to them?

7. Catholic can neither perform miracles nor speak in tongues (But for Protestants - We speak tongues and perform miracles even the lame can work in our church (but I have not seen someone interpret it for people to understand and no blind man has received his sight in any place a crusade is organized except strangers you cannot identify where they come from– always back their fake miracle with “Do they have faith”)

8. How could Catholic ask Mary and the Holy ones to Pray for them (But for Protestants – their Pastors can pray and move mountain for them.

But this religion problem is common in  





Well said ebos. Thank God, i m catholic!

@Pilgrim and Cgift

The Woman in Revelation 12 is no other person than Mary

Pilgrim, you are getting everything wrong. Truly, I said the dragon was Satan, and remember I pointed out also that the dragon used Herod to unsuccessfully kill the Child. So, my point is that the dragon could appear in many forms - all working for the same purpose. The dragon could use Israel to accomplish its goal. I used Herod in my explanation in a paragraph, while Israel in another paragraph. We know that Herod was not a dragon but he was used by dragon (Satan) – and so could be likened to dragon. You can even call your fellow human being Satan when he’s up to evil desire. This does not mean the person is the Satan rather Satan has taken over his heart. Jesus asked Peter “Get thou behind me Satan.” This didn’t mean Peter was Satan, but Satan had taken position in his heart.

We don’t see Satan physically, but human beings come to you in form of Satan. No physical devil had attacked Israel. I have not heard it before.

So your explanation that the dragon had tried many times to wipe Israel (the mother of the Child) is baseless. The devil can only attack the angels, and the angels are also able to see Satan and fight back. If the dragon had attempted to wipe Israel, such dragon must come in human form and not physically. So, Israel or Herod played the role of this dragon and tried to kill the Child when He was born.

You also pointed out that they delivered Jesus to the Gentiles because of Jesus statements. Please, try to pray for wisdom so that the Holy Spirit will guide and help you understand the bible. Don’t get it literally. The gentiles had no hand in Jesus crucifixion, though Jesus Christ died for all mankind whether Gentiles, Jews or whatever. When Jesus said they delivered Him to the gentiles – He was referring to those who never believed in the Name of the Messiah (Jesus), and these Jews were referred as gentiles. Please don’t get me wrong here, I understand that the Jews were different from the gentiles but for the purpose of Jesus remarks at that point in time – He was referring to the Jews who were hell bent to get Him killed. You understand that Jesus taught in parables and you need to be guided by the Holy Spirit to understand His teachings. The bible made it clear that it was the Jews that killed Jesus. Pilate who was not a Jew, he even said he found nothing against this man (Jesus) that the Jews should go and judge Him according to the law. Pilate tried his best to get Jesus released but the Jews shouted crucify Him, crucify Him. So, I don’t need to explain to you that it was the Jews that killed Jesus. Pilgrim don’t argue this very clear evidence.

As you said, the Dragon was not able to kill the Child because He was "caught up unto God, and to his throne" (Rev. 12:5). This simple means that the Power of God was with the Child
because the angel came and told Joseph in his dream the plan of this dragon (Herod) and they fled to Egypt to avoid those that sought the life of the Child. The question now, who wanted to take away the Child’s life? It was Satan. Now, did Satan come to kill the Child physically? No, it was through Herod. So Herod was now the dragon because Satan filled his heart with evil.

Let me ask you again - this dragon came to kill this Child in what form? Remember, Rev. Chapter 12 said that the dragon also sough to kill the Child and not only the mother. You only said the dragon attacked the mother of this Child which you claimed to be Israel, but you have not said how the dragon came against this Child. Could you explain it?

To summarize it all, the Mother of this Child was Mary and not Israel. So, Israel (Herod) was used by Satan (dragon) to get the Child killed, but didn’t succeed.


Cheers

The Catholics has the Jerusalem Bible, but the Protestants reform the bible in 16th Century and removed some of the facts that would have backed Catholic teachings. The motive of that was to give wrong impression that Catholic teachings are not biblical, hence deceiving those that would continue to fall for their traps. They are interested in making money and not the word of God.

Christ said that His Church must be one, and today no other church can claim that oneness except Catholic Church.

Go to Luke 1 vs 9 where Zechariah was burning incense when the Angel Gabriel came to him. The Protestants have continued to rewrite that verse by saying the Angel Gabriel came to Zechariah not at the time of the Incense. What is their motive? It is just to condemn Catholic Church from burning incense, and to ask them to show any biblical backing for it. In next 6 years, every Protestant bible will have it that the Angel Gabriel came to Zechariah – not at the time of the incense. Just mark my word.

They are the ones twisting bible to soothe their evil motives.

May God Have Mercy on them.