MaxInDHouse:
You're talking about Adamic sin that has taken all humans down from the glory of God {Romans 3:23} i am asking you what sin am i commiting now that you aren't committing because if you're talking about Jesus i have accepted him as my Master, Lord and King.

So instead of beating about the bush just go straight to the sin i committed or committing that made me evil!

The Adamic nature you inherited have to be dealt with first. It's not about any specific sin but about the nature of sin in man.

The moment you let Jesus into your life, that nature will be changed. God himself will take away your old heart and give you a new one. This is what it means to be born again.

You must be born again.

Those who are not born again will all end up in hell.

But those who are born again stand the chance of making it to heaven if they continue in the faith.

MaxInDHouse:

So in a nutshell you're an atheist or agnostic who is opposed to organized setting when talking about worship, shey?

Well...I'm just a neutral being who believes in the Almighty creator... I don't believe in any religion whatsoever.

Johel:

Well...I'm just a neutral being who believes in the Almighty creator... I don't believe in any religion whatsoever.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm that somehow is not the real truth because the title "GOD" means "SUPREME BEING" and the word BELIEVE connotes TRUST so if you're a being but you can't feel the presence of the one who is supreme in any gathering of intelligent beings then you don't believe (trust) in the fact that any being is supreme. It's only in the gathering of intelligent beings that faith in a supreme being can be demonstrated, in the absence of that there is no proof of any supreme being.

To illustrate imagine someone telling you that he trust in a King (supreme ruler) but can't see or present any organized subjects of the so called "King" to cement his TRUST how real is such TRUST or BELIEVE?

Ken4Christ:

The Adamic nature you inherited have to be dealt with first. It's not about any specific sin but about the nature of sin in man. The moment you let Jesus into your life, that nature will be changed. God himself will take away your old heart and give you a new one. This is what it means to be born again.
You must be born again.
Those who are not born again will all end up in hell. But those who are born again stand the chance of making it to heaven if they continue in the faith.

What exactly do you mean by BORN AGAIN?

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm that somehow is not the real truth because the title "GOD" means "SUPREME BEING" and the word BELIEVE connotes TRUST so if you're a being but you can't feel the presence of the one who is supreme in any gathering of intelligent beings then you don't believe (trust) in the fact that any being is supreme. It's only in the gathering of intelligent beings that faith in a supreme being can be demonstrated, in the absence of that there is no proof of any supreme being.

To illustrate imagine someone telling you that he trust in a King (supreme ruler) but can't see or present any organized subjects of the so called "King" to cement his TRUST how real is such TRUST or BELIEVE?

Lol...fukk the church!, Christians to the lions ...I know God the Almighty,the creator...Religion is man made, anything man made is irrelevant to God's entire plan...I don't know Christianity, I know truth.

Never will I be in the gathering of hypocrites, I rather go behind closed door and relate with the Almighty and for sure he acknowledges that even more

Johel:

Lol...fukk the church!, Christians to the lions ...I know God the Almighty,the creator...Religion is man made, anything man made is irrelevant to God's entire plan...I don't know Christianity, I know truth.
Never will I be in the gathering of hypocrites, I rather go behind closed door and relate with the Almighty and for sure he acknowledges that even more

I can understand your plight, many share the same outlook but the fact remains that in the absence of a gathering of worshipers there is NO GOD!

MaxInDHouse:


I can understand your plight, many share the same outlook but the fact remains that in the absence of a gathering of worshipers there is NO GOD!

Nah...God is present everywhere like the air that we breath, God will exist even when the world ends...and many don't share my outlook, few ones do.

Johel:

Lol...fukk the church!, Christians to the lions ...I know God the Almighty,the creator...Religion is man made, anything man made is irrelevant to God's entire plan...I don't know Christianity, I know truth.

Never will I be in the gathering of hypocrites, I rather go behind closed door and relate with the Almighty and for sure he acknowledges that even more

Tell them o! When you show them Deuteronomy 21:10-14 they will not answer but they will tell you about abstinence. If religion is not man made to control the mind, how will the christian God command such?

Marrying a Captive Woman
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives,
11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife.
12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails
13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.
14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

Johel:

Nah...God is present everywhere like the air that we breath, God will exist even when the world ends...and many don't share my outlook, few ones do.

The only qualification of being called "GOD" is the availability of worshipers that unanimously acknowledge one being. Where people face different directions in worship then each person is his or her own God!

MaxInDHouse:


The only qualification of being called "GOD" is the availability of worshipers that unanimously acknowledge one being. Where people face different directions in worship then each person is his or her own God!

Without humans, there was God and there will still be after man goes extinct and if humans become as useless as they are becoming,then God will make the stones more useful.

Johel:

Without humans, there was God and there will still be after man goes extinct and if humans become as useless as they are becoming,then God will make the stones more useful.

There's no glory for any God until worshipers suffice because it's the worshipers that gives Him praise not lifeless matters.
So in the absence of a united family of worshipers unanimously praising there is no real God!

MaxInDHouse:


There's no glory for any God until worshipers suffice because it's the worshipers that gives Him praise not lifeless matters.
So in the absence of a united family of worshipers unanimously praising there is no real God!

I disagree
Jehovah is still glorified with or without humans
Psalms mentions that the sun, moon and stars and angels praise him
Jesus told the Pharisees that God can raise stones to praise him
If just comes down to humankind as his people glorify him by their work

Aemmyjah:

I disagree
Jehovah is still glorified with or without humans
Psalms mentions that the sun, moon and stars and angels praise him
Jesus told the Pharisees that God can raise stones to praise him
If just comes down to humankind as his people glorify him by their work

You didn't get my point.
Surely a God is glorified by the things He made but in the midst of living intelligent beings no one can convince the other that he or she has any knowledge about the true God when each person does things differently and there is no harmony in thought regarding the God in question.
For instance which of the Gods is responsible for each race in different continent on this planet?
Note that the God those in Asia knew differs from that of red Indians in America which also differs from that of Europeans which also differs from that of Africans.
So if we're to go by the thoughts and practices of each nation then we must conclude that there are different Gods responsible for the life we found in different continent after all our cultural values and traditions contradicts.
That's why it's a must for anyone who wants to speak about God to present the worshipers of God that cut across all races, they must agree on morals and values so that LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} will permeate their gathering. Isaiah 2:2-4
That is the only evidence you can present to prove that the God you're talking about is the Creator of the universe with His ability to make people from different races throughout the earth speak and think alike despite their geographical location! Zephaniah 3:9 compare to John 17:22

In the absence of that then each person is his or her own God and there's is no way an African can convince an Asian that it's the same God that's responsible for all lives on this planet, each will have to face different directions with conflicting doctrines regarding moral values! Luke 11:23

MaxInDHouse:


What exactly do you mean by BORN AGAIN?

Not what I mean but what it means according to the Bible.

To clearly understand its meaning, let's begin from the creation of man and happened to him when he fell in the Garden of Eden.

Man was created in the image and likewise of God. So, man looks like God. Since God is a Spirit, man is also a spirit being.

He came into existence first as a spirit before his body was formed.

Genesis 1:26-28 gave us account of the creation of man. At that point, his body was not yet formed.

His body was formed in Genesis 2. And this made it possible for him to function on earth.

Before his fall, God gave him an instruction not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He was warned that he will die the very day he eats it.

And when he disobeyed, he didn't physically die that day but he died spiritually.

Spiritual death is alienation from the life of God. It's the death of the spirit of man.

So, born again is the rebirth of the human spirit. It's the spirit of man coming back to life. And it's God who performs the miracle when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Prophet Ezekiel saw it and prophesied about it in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

He said that God will take away the old heart and give you a new heart or a new spirit.

So, when you are given a new spirit, you are born again with the very life and nature of God.

The nature or fruit of this spirit is described in Galatians 5:22-23.

I have a whole book on it. You can place order for a copy. But it's in a PDF format.

Guy i don't need all these epistle.

What is the meaning of BORN AGAIN?

I have what it means based on my own study of God's word so say what you know in just one or two sentence so i can see if i'm BORN AGAIN from your viewpoint or not!

Ken4Christ:


Not what I mean but what it means according to the Bible.

To clearly understand its meaning, let's begin from the creation of man and happened to him when he fell in the Garden of Eden.

Man was created in the image and likewise of God. So, man looks like God. Since God is a Spirit, man is also a spirit being.

He came into existence first as a spirit before his body was formed.

Genesis 1:26-28 gave us account of the creation of man. At that point, his body was not yet formed.

His body was formed in Genesis 2. And this made it possible for him to function on earth.

Before his fall, God gave him an instruction not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He was warned that he will die the very day he eats it.

And when he disobeyed, he didn't physically die that day but he died spiritually.

Spiritual death is alienation from the life of God. It's the death of the spirit of man.

So, born again is the rebirth of the human spirit. It's the spirit of man coming back to life. And it's God who performs the miracle when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Prophet Ezekiel saw it and prophesied about it in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

He said that God will take away the old heart and give you a new heart or a new spirit.

So, when you are given a new spirit, you are born again with the very life and nature of God.

The nature or fruit of this spirit is described in Galatians 5:22-23.

I have a whole book on it. You can place order for a copy. But it's in a PDF format.

Otunbakayce:
Absolute trash! Go to the reception and see exactly the opposite of what they did at the kingdom Hall. Hypocrisy lives amongst Jehovah witnesses.

Hypocrisy lives amongst most Nigerian Christians.

If you disagree, show me one denomination that's not so.

Autobot05:


Its not all about pretending to be nice and all that bla bla bla in church.. what you do in your private life counts

I'm still yet to meet a JW member that lives according to their teaching ( I'm sorry to say ) right from my sec school days till date

Do you live according to your own religious teachings?

Otunbakayce:

Absolute trash! Go to the reception and see exactly the opposite of what they did at the kingdom Hall. Hypocrisy lives amongst Jehovah witnesses.

emerged01:

JW are well organized when it comes to carrying out activities.

Autobot05:

Its not all about pretending to be nice and all that bla bla bla in church.. what you do in your private life counts. I'm still yet to meet a JW member that lives according to their teaching ( I'm sorry to say ) right from my sec school days till date

What most people failed to grasp is that what JWs are teaching totally negates the lifestyles we're all used to, it reminds me of what Jesus' disciples asked him when he was teaching this same thing back then:

They became still more astounded and said to him: “Who possibly can be saved?” Mark 10:26
This was exactly the response of Jesus' disciples while he was teaching them what JWs are teaching today because it totally negates what we are all used to.

But then Jesus answered:

Looking straight at them, Jesus said: “With men it is impossible but not so with God, for all things are possible with God” Mark 10:27

So Jesus is hereby telling us that no human can meet up this standard if we are to study each person individually our imperfect state will always overshadow whatever we learn no matter how seriously we take it! Romans 7:15-23

But if that's the case then how can we be sure that we are practicing pure worship?

Jesus answered:

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16

Jesus told us that there will be lots of false prophets claiming they're teachers of God's word {Matthew 7:15} so it's what is happening when we look at those following them as one body that will reveal if these teachers are truly working for God or not.

Remember that both those teaching and those been taught are all imperfect so we will always notice some flaws in what they're doing but then since God is in their midst His Holly Spirit will ORGANIZE these imperfect humans as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers to do God's will. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So despite the flaws in each imperfect human they will produce the fruit expected of God's people under the control of God's Holy Spirit! James 2:18-26

This is what the OP just discovered not that individual JWs have become perfect due to the sound teaching they received from the Most Wonderful Counselor! Isaiah 9:6

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


There's no glory for any God until worshipers suffice because it's the worshipers that gives Him praise not lifeless matters.
So in the absence of a united family of worshipers unanimously praising there is no real God!

Ok o...Na your opinion be that and you proved me right that Jehovah witness people's beliefs doesn't align with other Christians.

Johel:

Ok o...Na your opinion be that and you proved me right that Jehovah witness people's beliefs doesn't align with other Christians.

NO! It's the line of thought of millions across the globe following Jesus of Nazareth {John 17:22} so if you find anyone who doesn't agree with this know today that such a person is not a disciple of the man who said all his disciples must have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} such a person is on his or her own {Luke 11:23} that's why Jesus said he will deny them during the judgment.
WHY? Because they lack equity! Matthew 7:21-23

somehow:


Do you live according to your own religious teachings?

I try my best to .. and I'm not a teacher

Autobot05:

I try my best to .. and I'm not a teacher

What evidence do you have that you're trying your best to live by your religious teaching?

Well all disciples of Christ must be teachers of God's word! Matthew 28:20

MaxInDHouse:


NO! It's the line of thought of millions across the globe following Jesus of Nazareth {John 17:22} so if you find anyone who doesn't agree with this know today that such a person is not a disciple of the man who said all his disciples must have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} such a person is on his or her own {Luke 11:23} that's why Jesus said he will deny them during the judgment.
WHY? Because they lack equity! Matthew 7:21-23

Ok

Johel:

Ok

Alright my friend!

Autobot05:


I try my best to .. and I'm not a teacher

So why vehemently criticize others?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i don't need all these epistle.

What is the meaning of BORN AGAIN?

I have what it means based on my own study of God's word so say what you know in just one or two sentence so i can see if i'm BORN AGAIN from your viewpoint or not!

I am not giving you my viewpoint. It's what the word of God says.

In summary, born again is a spiritual rebirth through the agency of the Spirit of God and the word of God - 1 Peter 1:23, John 3:5-6.

The water in John 3:5 represents the word of God - Ephesians 5:26.

Your role is to believe in Jesus and Confess him as your Lord and Saviour. God does the miracle - Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16.

MaxInDHouse:







[s]What most people failed to grasp is that what JWs are teaching totally negates the lifestyles we're all used to, it reminds me of what Jesus' disciples asked him when he was teaching this same thing back then:

They became still more astounded and said to him: “Who possibly can be saved?” Mark 10:26
This was exactly the response of Jesus' disciples while he was teaching them what JWs are teaching today because it totally negates what we are all used to.

But then Jesus answered:

Looking straight at them, Jesus said: “With men it is impossible but not so with God, for all things are possible with God” Mark 10:27

So Jesus is hereby telling us that no human can meet up this standard if we are to study each person individually our imperfect state will always overshadow whatever we learn no matter how seriously we take it! Romans 7:15-23

But if that's the case then how can we be sure that we are practicing pure worship?

Jesus answered:

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16

Jesus told us that there will be lots of false prophets claiming they're teachers of God's word {Matthew 7:15} so it's what is happening when we look at those following them as one body that will reveal if these teachers are truly working for God or not.

Remember that both those teaching and those been taught are all imperfect so we will always notice some flaws in what they're doing but then since God is in their midst His Holly Spirit will ORGANIZE these imperfect humans as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers to do God's will. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So despite the flaws in each imperfect human they will produce the fruit expected of God's people under the control of God's Holy Spirit! James 2:18-26

This is what the OP just discovered not that individual JWs have become perfect due to the sound teaching they received from the Most Wonderful Counselor! Isaiah 9:6

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

[/s] Absolute trash from a deluded fellow. This is exactly how you people quotes scriptures upside down to defend your nonsense lifestyle. God bless you and may you not have PEACE.

somehow:


Hypocrisy lives amongst most Nigerian Christians.

If you disagree, show me one demonization that's not so.

"Denomination". Catholics and Anglicans are not as hypocritical as others.

Otunbakayce:
"Denomination". Catholics and Anglicans are not as hypocritical as others.

Yes, denomination.

There's no religion in Nigeria that's not hypocritical. (I dare say the world over)

Religion encourages hypocrisy, thinking otherwise is another hypocrisy.

So no need to elevate one over another.

Serve your God as personal as possible, in the end, only you and your maker got scores to settle.

somehow:


Yes, denomination.

There's no religion in Nigeria that's not hypocritical. (I dare say the world over)

Religion encourages hypocrisy, thinking otherwise is another hypocrisy.

So no need to elevate one over another.

Serve your God as personal as possible, in the end, only you and your maker got scores to settle.

Those two denomination are not hypocritical I have attended most churches from Christ embassy, RCCG, winners, Harvesters, Daystar e.t.c to being very close to JW. I can boldly tell you that the level of hypocrisy is very low or non existent in those two aforementioned denominations.

Ken4Christ:


Not what I mean but what it means according to the Bible.

To clearly understand its meaning, let's begin from the creation of man and happened to him when he fell in the Garden of Eden.

Man was created in the image and likewise of God. So, man looks like God. Since God is a Spirit, man is also a spirit being.

Genesis 6:3,12,13,19 God says man is flesh.
Oga, Stop LYING, this is a public forum.

Ken4Christ:


He came into existence first as a spirit before his body was formed.

Genesis 1:26-28 gave us account of the creation of man. At that point, his body was not yet formed.

His body was formed in Genesis 2. And this made it possible for him to function on earth.

Pastor LYING.
God's Truth: Gen 2:7 & Job38:1-7,Oga ,God himself says you are LYING.

Ken4Christ:

Before his fall, God gave him an instruction not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He was warned that he will die the very day he eats it.

And when he disobeyed, he didn't physically die that day but he died spiritually.

Spiritual death is alienation from the life of God. It's the death of the spirit of man.

What will suffer your eternal punishment since the body is dead and the spirit of man is dead?

Oga, you are telling the public forum that your belief of immortal soul is FALSE.

Pastorpreneur wishy-washy doctrines

Ken4Christ:


So, born again is the rebirth of the human spirit. It's the spirit of man coming back to life. And it's God who performs the miracle when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Prophet Ezekiel saw it and prophesied about it in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

He said that God will take away the old heart and give you a new heart or a new spirit.

So, when you are given a new spirit, you are born again with the very life and nature of God.

The nature or fruit of this spirit is described in Galatians 5:22-23.

I have a whole book on it. You can place order for a copy. But it's in a PDF format.

Pastorpreneur wishy-washy doctrines.

Otunbakayce:
Those two denomination are not hypocritical I have attended most churches from Christ embassy, RCCG, winners, Harvesters, Daystar e.t.c to being very close to JW. I can boldly tell you that the level of hypocrisy is very low or non existent in those two aforementioned denominations.

Nah those churches dem be the HYPOCRITES.
Oga,your fellow 3 deities worshippers on this forum (screenshot) PROVEN you are LYING.

You have personal beef against JWs.
It is the root of your prejudices and bias.
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