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Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by Creeper: 11:28am On Mar 14, 2023
Some Saro & Brazilian Emigres in Lagos & their actual town of origin:

Egba - J. W. Cole, Hon. J. J. Thomas, R. B. Blaize, J. S. Leigh, Henry Robbin, J. S. Bucknor, J. A. Savage, the Hon. C. J. George, Robert A. Coker.

Ijesa- J. P. Haastrup and P. J. Meffre.

Ijebu - Jacob Williams, Bishop James Johnson and J. A. O. Payne

Oyo - I. H. Willoughby, A. C. Willoughby, Rev. E. H. S. Willoughby, Mr Hethersett, E. O. Macaulay, and Mr Kester.
https://twitter.com/ladeyoriju/status/1635373755181727745?s=46&t=cDvmaODjfVry7evXWsXd0A

Does anyone know Rhodes-Vivour’s family origin in Yorubaland?

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Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by Fintiri: 11:36am On Mar 14, 2023
GVR for Lagos state governor

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Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by BloomingDale(f): 11:38am On Mar 14, 2023
Lol.
Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by DaddyJapan(m): 11:40am On Mar 14, 2023
Enough of these imbecilic threads!

But since this not simply about you but a wider audience, how is the following for start...

William Allen Vivour (fl. 1830-1890) was the single most successful 19th-century planter in Africa[1][2][3] due to his substantial and flourishing cocoa plantation in Fernando Po (Equatorial Guinea).[1] He was the son of a recaptive of Yoruba [4] ancestry captured from what is now present day Nigeria and resettled in Sierra Leone by the British West Africa Squadron, and eventually settled in present day Equatorial Guinea and Nigeria.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Vivour

Look at it this way: if WIlliam Allen Vivour was the son of a recaptive who was of Yoruba ancestry, then it follows that Vivour was Yoruba!
QED

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Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by DaddyJapan(m): 11:54am On Mar 14, 2023
Gbadebo Rhodes-Vivour
He was born into the Rhodes-Vivour family of Lagos on March 8, 1983 to Olawale and Nkechi Rhodes-Vivour. He is a great-great-grandson of William Allen Vivour, a great-grandson of Justice S.B Rhodes (the second indigenous judge appointed in Nigeria), a grandson to Justice A.R.W Rhodes-Vivour, and a nephew to Supreme Court Justice Bode Rhodes-Vivour.

Source: https://businessday.ng/politics/article/big-four-contend-for-lagos-whats-at-stake/

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Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by Emperormartin(m): 12:00pm On Mar 14, 2023
And you think that's the only slave returnees to Lagos in the whole of 19th century
Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by XAUBulls: 5:38am On Mar 16, 2023
Creeper:
Some Saro & Brazilian Emigres in Lagos & their actual town of origin:

Egba - J. W. Cole, Hon. J. J. Thomas, R. B. Blaize, J. S. Leigh, Henry Robbin, J. S. Bucknor, J. A. Savage, the Hon. C. J. George, Robert A. Coker.

Ijesa- J. P. Haastrup and P. J. Meffre.

Ijebu - Jacob Williams, Bishop James Johnson and J. A. O. Payne

Oyo - I. H. Willoughby, A. C. Willoughby, Rev. E. H. S. Willoughby, Mr Hethersett, E. O. Macaulay, and Mr Kester.
https://twitter.com/ladeyoriju/status/1635373755181727745?s=46&t=cDvmaODjfVry7evXWsXd0A

Does anyone know Rhodes-Vivour’s family origin in Yorubaland?
1. Nigeria's first pound sterling
millionaire and financier, Candido da Rocha is of direct Ijesha descent in the current State of Osun, and he returned with his parents to Lagos Island in Yorubaland from Bahia, Brazil where he was born in the 1850s to freed parents.

His father and mother were
formerly enslaved in Bahia, Brazil.
Bahia and Cuba have a strong retention of Yoruba culture and religion till today and the Orisas are venerated.


The two Vaughan brothers from South Carolina, USA, are from Egbaland. They returned to
Yorubaland (based on their dying father's instructions) via Liberia then to Lagos Island and Abeokuta.

Then finally settled in Ebute Meta as influential and wealthy
businessmen all in the late 1800s.

Their father who was a Prince was taken as a captive from Nigeria to South Carolina, USA on a slave ship in the early 1800s.



2. The Rhodes-Vivour family could most likely have been Oyo, Egba or Ijesa from Oyo, Ogun, Osun States since the 3 Yoruba sub-ethnicities provided the bulk of deported Yorubas taken on slave schooners to Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela, USA, etc, in the 1800s.


In Cuba and Brazil, the Oyos were the largest from Yorubaland in the 1800s and usually led revolts in Cuba and Brazil because there were many warriors among them.

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Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by laiperi: 1:33pm On Mar 16, 2023
Interesting but need more contributors. If you look at the silver lining, rejection of Tinubu in Lagos is an eye opener.

The fear now is the lack of consensus on Adediran or Doherty.
Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by akigbemaru: 11:19am On Jun 30, 2023
Creeper:
Some Saro & Brazilian Emigres in Lagos & their actual town of origin:

Egba - J. W. Cole, Hon. J. J. Thomas, R. B. Blaize, J. S. Leigh, Henry Robbin, J. S. Bucknor, J. A. Savage, the Hon. C. J. George, Robert A. Coker.

Ijesa- J. P. Haastrup and P. J. Meffre.

Ijebu - Jacob Williams, Bishop James Johnson and J. A. O. Payne

Oyo - I. H. Willoughby, A. C. Willoughby, Rev. E. H. S. Willoughby, Mr Hethersett, E. O. Macaulay, and Mr Kester.
https://twitter.com/ladeyoriju/status/1635373755181727745?s=46&t=cDvmaODjfVry7evXWsXd0A

Does anyone know Rhodes-Vivour’s family origin in Yorubaland?

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Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by WorldRichest: 1:39pm On Jun 30, 2023
Fintiri:
GVR for Lagos state governor

A Brazilian will never rule Lagos
Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by WorldRichest: 1:40pm On Jun 30, 2023
laiperi:
Interesting but need more contributors. If you look at the silver lining, rejection of Tinubu in Lagos is an eye opener.

The fear now is the lack of consensus on Adediran or Doherty.

Who rejected Tinubu in Lagos? Your insignificant family?

Political kindergartens will never understand our game plan. We saw that you had so much interest and you concentrated on Lagos and the Igbo states, so we left your states of interest, and pulled a counter-attack from the least expected angles.

Didn’t you notice that we also left the Kardashians Kano, Kaduna, Katsina, Kebbi for the Cameroonian bisexual Atikulation Abubakar? But our counter-attacks from the least expected wings got all of you mesmerised, bewildered, and confused.

That’s POL 907: Master Chess Politricking

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Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by WorldRichest: 1:49pm On Jun 30, 2023
XAUBulls:

1. Nigeria's first pound sterling
millionaire and financier, Candido da Rocha is of direct Ijesha descent in the current State of Osun, and he returned with his parents to Lagos Island in Yorubaland from Bahia, Brazil where he was born in the 1850s to freed parents.

His father and mother were
formerly enslaved in Bahia, Brazil.
Bahia and Cuba have a strong retention of Yoruba culture and religion till today and the Orisas are venerated.


The two Vaughan brothers from South Carolina, USA, are from Egbaland. They returned to
Yorubaland (based on their dying father's instructions) via Liberia then to Lagos Island and Abeokuta.

Then finally settled in Ebute Meta as influential and wealthy
businessmen all in the late 1800s.

Their father who was a Prince was taken as a captive from Nigeria to South Carolina, USA on a slave ship in the early 1800s.



2. The Rhodes-Vivour family could most likely have been Oyo, Egba or Ijesa from Oyo, Ogun, Osun States since the 3 Yoruba sub-ethnicities provided the bulk of deported Yorubas taken on slave schooners to Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela, USA, etc, in the 1800s.


In Cuba and Brazil, the Oyos were the largest from Yorubaland in the 1800s and usually led revolts in Cuba and Brazil because there were many warriors among them.




The warriors were the Ibadans. They capture people from the present-day Ondo, Ekiti, Kogi, Niger, Delta, Edo, Anambra, Enugu, Imo, up to as far as they could go. The present-day Oyo, Ogun, Osun, and Kwara were under Oyo Empire which the Ibadan warriors were protecting. So, slaves were not captured from present-day Oyo, Ogun, Osun, and Kwara.

When the Ibadans capture Slaves, they sell the Slavs to the Ijebus, Aworis, and Egbas. This is what caused the generational beef between the Ijebus, Egbas, and Aworis. It was the Ijebus, Aworis, and Egbas that were selling Slaves directly

So, the returned Slaves couldn't have been of indigenes or Oyo, Ogun, or Osun. Several of the Slaves dumped in Lagos after the abolition of Slave Trade are not from Nigeria, the ones from Nigeria cannot be from present-day Oyo, Ogun, Osun. They just all stayed in Lagos because they are grandchildren pf Slaves and they did not really know where they were from
Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by Sunrise258: 5:34am On Aug 19, 2023
Your post lacks merit. Many slaves were captured all over Yoruba land, Oyo, Osun, Kwara, etc. Candido Da Rocha: the first Nigerian millionaire, his dad was captured on his way to school in Ilesha, Osun State at age 10. Bishop Ajayi Crowther was capture @Osogun, Ogun State, with his mother, tolder brother and taken away by the Portuguese. He was eventually rescued by the British Royal Force. Slavery cut across all African tribes.


WorldRichest:


The warriors were the Ibadans. They capture people from the present-day Ondo, Ekiti, Kogi, Niger, Delta, Edo, Anambra, Enugu, Imo, up to as far as they could go. The present-day Oyo, Ogun, Osun, and Kwara were under Oyo Empire which the Ibadan warriors were protecting. So, slaves were not captured from present-day Oyo, Ogun, Osun, and Kwara.

When the Ibadans capture Slaves, they sell the Slavs to the Ijebus, Aworis, and Egbas. This is what caused the generational beef between the Ijebus, Egbas, and Aworis. It was the Ijebus, Aworis, and Egbas that were selling Slaves directly

So, the returned Slaves couldn't have been of indigenes or Oyo, Ogun, or Osun. Several of the Slaves dumped in Lagos after the abolition of Slave Trade are not from Nigeria, the ones from Nigeria cannot be from present-day Oyo, Ogun, Osun. They just all stayed in Lagos because they are grandchildren pf Slaves and they did not really know where they were from
Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by Difrent: 5:58am On Aug 19, 2023
DaddyJapan:
Enough of these imbecilic threads!

But since this not simply about you but a wider audience, how is the following for start...


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Vivour

Look at it this way: if WIlliam Allen Vivour was the son of a recaptive who was of Yoruba ancestry, then it follows that Vivour was Yoruba!
QED



And you gave an slowpoke answer.
What is it with you "Omo atoun Rin WA" always going about with arrogance on what you clearly know nothing about.
Igbos always want to defend GBADEBO......but get offended if told he is also CHINEDU?

Make una continue. Even the GRV himself Can't say some of the things you idiots proclaim about him.....but it's okay because yall want to be politically correct

Just so you know..... Yoruba no be Fulani. If you think you can run down BAT government the way you did PMB s for 8 years....then youve gotta be kidding because YORUBA NO BE FULANI we go give it back to you in hundred folds if you do anyhow. A word is enough for the wise

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Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by DaddyJapan(m): 10:16am On Aug 21, 2023
Difrent:


And you gave an slowpoke answer.
What is it with you "Omo atoun Rin WA" always going about with arrogance on what you clearly know nothing about.
Igbos always want to defend GBADEBO......but get offended if told he is also CHINEDU?

Make una continue. Even the GRV himself Can't say some of the things you idiots proclaim about him.....but it's okay because yall want to be politically correct

Just so you know..... Yoruba no be Fulani. If you think you can run down BAT government the way you did PMB s for 8 years....then youve gotta be kidding because YORUBA NO BE FULANI we go give it back to you in hundred folds if you do anyhow. A word is enough for the wise

You are clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed for inferring so many things from my earlier admonition.

Nah me you dey issue idle threats, Pikin wey no sabi herbs wey think say nah vegetable?
Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by Difrent: 11:09am On Aug 21, 2023
DaddyJapan:


Nah me you dey issue idle threats, Pikin wey no sabi herbs wey think say nah vegetable?


Omode o mo ooogun o'n pe l'efo.

There's no English interpretation of this....so stop saying nonsense
Re: Some Yoruba Returnee Slaves And Their Ancestral Origin In Yoruba Land by Cosbyrich: 11:23am On Aug 21, 2023
Have always been keen on knowing why we don't have returnee slaves from Hausa and Igbo been talked about or didn't they come back or do anything tangible to be mentioned?.Just wondering..

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