Nairalanders i wanna ask, is speaking tongues thought or it comes from above, cause i went to a church today and they mentioned if you havent been baptized before or cant speak in tongues please come out, please i need your view in this

Every christian ought to recieve the holyghost and speak in tongues.

Mark 16:17
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

New tongues means new languages not new gibberish !!!


"These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages." - Mark 16:17

[size=13pt]I don't speak in tongues, but I can take up serpents; I can lay hands on any sick person in the hospital and they will recover.

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” [/size]

frosbel:

New tongues means new languages not new gibberish !!!

It is both.  There is the stammering gibberish there is another Tongue. Both are manifestations of the spirit.

Isaiah 28:11
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.


The "gibberish" is used to talk to God. The another Tongue talks to men.

"These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages." - Mark 16:17

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Speaking in tongues is clearly gibberish. The tongues don't follow any of the universal rules that govern all human language. It has no discernible structure, syntax or vocabulary and if you pay attention in church, its clear that most people are just repeating the same random sounds over and over. Many christians claim that they are speaking in "unknown tongues" but this is demonstrably false as I will show below.

When hearing someone speaking a foreign language most people can clearly tell that the person is actually saying something rather than talking gibberish. In addition with time, you can will eventually pick up words and phrases and their meaning. Young children are especially good at this. None of this applies to the stuff that christians are constantly babbling. Its impossible to make sense of it. It follows no logical pattern unlike all other languages. No matter how long children are exposed to the stuff, they never seem to learn any of it, instead they tend start aping the adults around them by babbling the same nonsense.

Some pastors claim that they are speaking an ancient long-lost language but this is also rubbish. Even long lost languages follow the basic linguistic rules. Also, an ancient language will have some features in common with known languages, living or dead. No language exists in isolation, they evolve and borrow features from each other. A simple example is the relationship is between yoruba and igbo which share the same sentence structure, word order as well as many words and sounds. There is no language living or dead that sounds anything like what the christians are shouting.

Then again, there is the fact that what born-again christians practice and preach is in direct contradiction to what is recorded in the bible. Acts of the Apostles chapter 2 clearly states that the tongues spoken by the apostles were known to the foreigners in the crowd and that it allowed people to hear the gospel in their native tongue. I have never heard anybody speaking Aramaic, Latin or ancient Greek in church (trust me, I'd know it if I heard it). Missionaries don't miraculously start speaking Yoruba or even Pidgin when they come to Nigeria.

In fact, the bible specifically tells christians not to speak in tongues unless there is an interpreter present to tell people what the speaker is saying (1st Corinthians 2:14) which is exactly what people are constantly doing in church (christians are constantly quoting form the bible but they never seem to actually read it.).

If it doesn't agree with what the bible says, and it doesn't agree with known science, and it doesn't agree with common sense, how can it be real? You born-agains need to stop fooling yourselves

http://ecstaticspeech..com/2007/07/glossolalia_10.html

A personal example. When I was much younger, I was actually a very serious born-again christian. I "recieved the gift of tongues" from a very famous TV pastor (I won't mention her name out of respect for the dead, she was a really nice person) and this is how it happened:

I was in a small group of maybe 10 people who had answered an alter call for those who didn't yet speak in tongues. The famous pastor took us aside and gave us a short  lesson on how speaking in tongues worked. She told us that all we had to do way pray to god for the gift and the holy spirit would descend, and take control and we would be able to speak. Then we started a very long, intense prayer session during which she started speaking in tongues very loudly. Now mind you, I was really young back then and I didn't yet have any of the doubts that eventually led me to abandon religion so I prayed as hard as I could. One by one, the people around me started speaking in tongues but me, nothing! I prayed and prayed and prayed and nothing!

Eventually, when there were only 3 of us left, the pastor pulled me aside, put her hand on my head and started shouting the tongues in my face. "Rokoshantaraba, SPEAK IT!! Rababashekerebe! OPEN YOUR MOUTH!!" At this point I was feeling pretty bad that God had answered almost everybody and was forsaking me. But the pastor was shaking my head violently and telling me to open my mouth and and speak so I tried repeating the stuff she was saying: roboboramashama. "YESS!! THATS IT!! SPEAK IN TONGUES" she shouted, so I continued. Satisfied, she moved on to the next person, I didn't carry last like I feared I would.

Now the point of all this story is that I knew I was talking gibberish. I could have started doing that right from the beginning, but I was foolishly waiting for the holy spirit to come down and make me start speaking like it said in the bible. That didn't happen of course, and when this highly respected, spirit-filled pastor heard me "speaking in tongues" she couldn't tell the difference between my gibberish and her tongues. And nobody else noticed any difference during the several years I continued doing it even after I had decided that it was all cr.ap and was just doing it to fit in.

The simplest explanation for why nobody could tell the difference between gibberish and tongues is because there is no difference. They were all talking gibberish, they just didn't want to admit it to themselves.

N.B. I don't want anybody to see this as a slight on this pastor whom many of you may be able to recognize. Like I said, she was a very nice lady and despite her born-again predilections, I still have a lot of respect for her. Don't get it twisted, don't get it misconstrued.

Evil Brain:

Speaking in tongues is clearly gibberish. The tongues don't follow any of the universal rules that govern all human language. It has no discernible structure, syntax or vocabulary and if you pay attention in church,

You are correct! To a carnal man that is what it is. It is not mans language. There are different levels of praying in the spirit. The Pentecost day was only a beginning . Paul taught on deeper experience. Do you know you can even groan and yet, it's a form of praying in the spirit. Look at the scripture below and tell me what you make of it.

Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Joagbaje:

You are correct! To a carnal man that is what it is. It is not mans language. There are different levels of praying in the spirit. The Pentecost day was only a beginning . Paul taught on deeper experience. Do you know you can even groan and yet, it's a form of praying in the spirit. Look at the scripture below and tell me what you make of it.

Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

When will you people stop thinking like this? What does it matter if its " a man's language" or a language of angels, or a language of space aliens? If it's a way of passing information using sounds, then it must follow certain rules. Speaking in tongues doesn't  do this. Instead it just a continuous tream of random nonsense.If something doesn't make sense, then it doesn't make sense. Face reality.

Also, quoting a bible verse out of context is not going to work on me. That verse is not about speaking in tongues. Go back and read the whole of Romans 8 if you want to know what Paul was actually talking about. He was quite clearly talking about something completely different. Twisting the bible like that is very dishonest and its a shame that its now become a standard practice among christians.