kingyakos:
■ Every single verses in the Bible has a whole lot of sermon in it ok!
■ In that whole verses u outlined which i believe you've gone through it yet you still quote Christ wrongly. Christ didn't tell them that it's the choices they make as individuals that determined who they are,
■ rather Christ say to them that it's the doctrines they've received that has veiled them and that He came from the presence of God with a message for them.
■ The deep calleth the deep and the deep respond to the deep. The scripture is deeper than you think.

1. Who told you this?

2. So, you mean where Jesus Christ accused them — not Satan — of trying to kill Him, Jesus Christ was not pointing out that the choice was made by them to want to kill Him?

3. Wait a minute... doctrines they received from who? Where in that passage did Jesus Christ allude to them being fed a doctrine as you claim? Where in that passage did you extract that claim from?

4. That there is Churchian speak for bullsheet as far as I am concerned as it means nothing in the context of this here conversation. Let's keep all of the meaningless soundbites out of this meaningful conversation abeg!

Kobojunkie:
1. Here's a simple question for you. What spirit was inside of Adam when Adam accused God of giving him the woman that caused him to sin? What spirit was inside of Adam when he chose to sin against God? And how and when did that spirit gain access to Adam?

2. Where is the scriptural evidence for this claim you make that all humans are led by the spirit?

God gave Adam and Eve His Word to live by, and so long as they keep to the Word of God, they live eternally. Now satan came in but didn't go to Adam the MAN, the Image of God to preach his own doctrines ( this make Satan the first preacher on Earth) Satan went to the byproduct of man, the weaker vessel and indoctrinated her with his spirit of lies and she believed it. Now Adam before he accused God like you said, has already fall, has already been indoctrinated with the spirit of lies from his byproduct, in other words the spirit of lies has gained access into Adam and he has believed it because it came to him from his byproduct.



2. Where is the scriptural evidence for this claim you make that all humans are led by the spirit? undecided

Those who wrote the scripture were led by the spirit, judas who sold Christ was led by the spirit, Peter who denied Jesus before the corck crawl was led by the spirit and it's that same Peter that Christ asked who do you say I am and he replied " thou art Christ, Son of the living God" and Christ replied " flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but my Father in heaven".
John the beloved in the isle called patmos said " I was in the spirit"

kingyakos:
■ God gave Adam and Eve His Word to live by, and so long as they keep to the Word of God, they live eternally.
■ Now satan came in but didn't go to Adam the MAN, the Image of God to preach his own doctrines ( this make Satan the first preacher on Earth) Satan went to the byproduct of man, the weaker vessel and indoctrinated her with his spirit of lies and she believed it.
■ Now Adam before he accused God like you said, has already fall, has already been indoctrinated with the spirit of lies from his byproduct,
■ in other words the spirit of lies has gained access into Adam and he has believed it because it came to him from his byproduct.

1. Interesting! Where exactly is this idea you believe in stated in Scripture? At least the part about them living eternally?

2. So you are insinuating that God created a weak vessel hence God was wrong when He certified Eve as being in "good" working order?

3. Where and when did this indoctrination you claim occur? Where did this so-called spirit of lies come from in order to enter into Adam? Did it simply materialize from thin air or what?

4. The story does not indicate any such spirit so how did you manage to add the existence and presence of a spirit of life to the story. Do you not see that you are no longer telling the same story but a digest that completely negates that told by the writer of the story in Genesis?

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting! Where exactly is this idea you believe in stated in Scripture? At least the part about them living eternally?

2. So you are insinuating that God created a weak vessel hence God was wrong when He certified Eve as being in "good" working order?

3. Where and when did this indoctrination you claim occur? Where did this so-called spirit of lies come from in order to enter into Adam? Did it simply materialize from thin air or what?

4. The story does not indicate any such spirit so how did you manage to add the existence and presence of a spirit of life to the story. Do you not see that you are no longer telling the same story but a digest that completely negates that told by the writer of the story in Genesis?

1. Interesting! Where exactly is this idea you believe in stated in Scripture? At least the part about them living eternally? undecided

God is eternal and his image he created was to live eternally. God never created his image to die, it is sin that led His image to death (the wages of sin is death) says the scripture.
If you don't know that a woman (eve) is a byproduct of a man (Adam) then you just floating around with your Bible. Didn't the book of Genesis said that God put Adam into a deep sleep, took off one of his ribs to create eve.

kingyakos:
■ God never created his image to die, it is sin that led His image to death (the wages of sin is death) says the scripture.
■ If you don't know that a woman (eve) is a byproduct of a man (Adam) then you just floating around with your Bible. Didn't the book of Genesis said that God put Adam into a deep sleep, took off one of his ribs to create eve.

1. The same God also never gave his image eternal life from when He created Him. God confirmed this in Genesis 3 vs 19 -22, so, your earlier claim was based on conjecture after all.

2. A byproduct of Adam? According to the book, Eve was made out of Adam, and certified to be in "good" order by God Himself. So how can that which God Himself created with His very own hands be considered a byproduct of anything? Even Adam confirmed that God indeed made Eve when he placed blame for his sins on God who gave him the woman.

Kobojunkie:
1. The same God also never gave his image eternal life from when He created Him. God confirmed this in Genesis 3 vs 19 -22, so, your earlier claim was based on conjecture after all.

2. A byproduct of Adam? According to the book, Eve was made out of Adam, and certified to be in "good" order by God Himself. So how can that which God Himself created with His very own hands be considered a byproduct of anything? Even Adam confirmed that God indeed made Eve when he placed blame for his sins on God who gave him the woman.

Genesis 2:21-22 (KJV) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.


Woman is a byproduct of a man. Ask your pastor about it.
Consult your dictionary to understand the meaning of byproduct.

kingyakos:
■Woman is a byproduct of a man. Ask your pastor about it.
Consult your dictionary to understand the meaning of byproduct.

1. Seems your pastor has little to no respect for God and His work

by·prod·uct

■ an incidental or secondary product made in the manufacture or synthesis of something else.
■ a secondary result, unintended but inevitably produced in doing or producing something else

According to Scripture, God's work in creating Eve was purposed and intended. So, I am afraid Eve does not fit the definition of byproduct unless, of course, you feel you need to continue insisting she has to be that.

Kobojunkie:
1. The same God also never gave his image eternal life from when He created Him. God confirmed this in Genesis 3 vs 19 -22, so, your earlier claim was based on conjecture after all.

2. A byproduct of Adam? According to the book, Eve was made out of Adam, and certified to be in "good" order by God Himself. So how can that which God Himself created with His very own hands be considered a byproduct of anything? Even Adam confirmed that God indeed made Eve when he placed blame for his sins on God who gave him the woman.

Now know it today that Genesis 3:19 is a cause attributed to sin so it wasn't like God was laying cause on his image, he was only letting him know what he will pass through for sinning against God.


If you say God never gave his image eternal from when he created them why then did God himself manifested himself into flesh to die for the sins of his image for them to have eternal life.

kingyakos:
■ Now know it today that Genesis 3:19 is a cause attributed to sin so it wasn't like God was laying cause on his image, he was only letting him know what he will pass through for sinning against God.

1. God did not, in Genesis 3 vs 16, lay a curse on Adam. Are you joking or something?

Kobojunkie:
1. God did not, in Genesis 3 vs 16, lay a curse on Adam. Are you joking or something?

Genesis 3:16 (KJV) Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Yes for the woman it's a curse because God said " I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception".

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=122160070]1. God did not, in Genesis 3 vs 16, lay a curse on Adam. Are you joking or something? [/qu



Genesis 3:17 (KJV) And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;


Read clearly, there's there's no sentence like for the fact you did so so and so " I will".....
God only told him the attribute of the sin he's committed and that he will face.

kingyakos:
■ Read clearly, there's there's no sentence like for the fact you did so so and so " I will".....
God only told him the attribute of the sin he's committed and that he will face.

1. Better yet, I suggest you read the details of God's Law to Adam and why He didn't need to use the word "curse" in Genesis 3 vs 17 - 22 against Adam as it was already implied.

15 The Lord God put the man in the Garden of Eden to work the soil and take care of the garden.
16 The Lord God gave him this command: “You may eat from any tree in the garden.
17 But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly die!” - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17

That is where the curse/judgment against Adam came from.

Kobojunkie:
1. Better yet, I suggest you read the details of God's Law to Adam and why He didn't need to use the word "curse" in Genesis 3 vs 17 - 22 against Adam as it was already implied.
That is where the curse/judgment against Adam came from.

"on that day, you will certainly die. " interesting choice of words

Kobojunkie:
1. Seems your pastor has little to no respect for God and His work
According to Scripture, God's work in creating Eve was purposed and intended. So, I am afraid Eve does not fit the definition of byproduct unless, of course, you feel you need to continue insisting she has to be that.

Yes a woman is a byproduct of a man and your dictionary has stated it clear but it surprised me how you still can't comprehend it and still contradicting yourself.

by·prod·uct

■ an incidental or secondary product made in the manufacture or synthesis of something else.
■ a secondary result, unintended but inevitably produced in doing or producing something else

Kobojunkie:
1. Better yet, I suggest you read the details of God's Law to Adam and why He didn't need to use the word "curse" in Genesis 3 vs 17 - 22 against Adam as it was already implied.
That is where the curse/judgment against Adam came from.

Now let me ask you, why did Adam went ahead to eat from the tree which God told him not to eat?...

kingyakos:
■ Yes a woman is a byproduct of a man and your dictionary has stated it clear but it surprised me how you still can't comprehend it and still contradicting yourself.

1. How can I be contradicting myself when I am simply stating that the meaning of the word byproduct does not meld with God's very own statement of His reason and intentions for creating Eve? I didn't write any of the words recorded mind you.

kingyakos:
■ Now let me ask you, why did Adam went ahead to eat from the tree which God told him not to eat?...

1. He did it because it was his choice to do so.

Kobojunkie:
1. He did it because it was his choice to do so.

What I'm trying to let you understand is that something prompted his choice of going contrary to the Word of God. Remember Genesis 3 verse 17 stated it that Adam listen to his wife.

kingyakos:
■ What I'm trying to let you understand is that something prompted his choice of going contrary to the Word of God.
■ Remember Genesis 3 verse 17 stated it that Adam listen to his wife.

1. Where is this "something" written about in the story?

2. Did the story suggest that Adam never listened to his wife before that particular occasion?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where is this "something" written about in the story?

2. Did the story suggest that Adam never listened to his wife before that particular occasion?

God told him not to eat from the tree of knowledge but eve told him something other than what God told him about that same tree and he listened to what eve said instead of standing on the Word of God on that tree.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where is this "something" written about in the story?

2. Did the story suggest that Adam never listened to his wife before that particular occasion?

Where is this "something" written about in the story?

Adam was indoctrinated by eve from the word she get by satan

kingyakos:
■ God told him not to eat from the tree of knowledge but eve told him something other than what God told him about that same tree and he listened to what eve said instead of standing on the Word of God on that tree.

1. OK. So what exactly is out of the ordinary about the choice he ended up making which makes you claim some third-party spirit was involved contrary to what is written in the story itself?

2. Even listened to the Serpent, was it a spirit that also cajoled Eve into eating from that tree? If so, when did the spirit enter the stage?

kingyakos:
■ Adam was indoctrinated by eve from the word
■ she get by satan

1. Indoctrinated? So, when God told Adam not to eat from the tree, are we also to assume that Adam was indoctrinated by God then too?

2. What Satan? According to the story, it was a serpent who spoke to Eve. And by the way, where does this Idea that Satan indoctrinates come from?

Kobojunkie:
1. OK. So what exactly is out of the ordinary about the choice he ended up making which makes you claim some third-party spirit was involved contrary to what is written in the story itself?

2. Even listened to the Serpent, was it a spirit that also cajoled Eve into eating from that tree? If so, when did the spirit enter the stage?

2. Even listened to the Serpent, was it a spirit that also cajoled Eve into eating from that tree? If so, when did the spirit enter the stage?

Aren't the Scripture said that the Word of God is Spirit. Aren't the scripture said that our body is the Tabernacle in which the spirit dwells.
The evil spirit also dwells in a body.

kingyakos:
■ Aren't the Scripture said that the Word of God is Spirit.
■ Aren't the scripture said that our body is the Tabernacle in which the spirit dwells.
■ The evil spirit also dwells in a body.

1. That applies only as far as God.

2. That applies only as far as those who are in fact born-again, and last I checked, Adam was not born-again.

3. Which evil spirit did you put inside of Adam, and when did you do that? I am still asking you the same question. When was this spirit you continue to put inside of Adam introduced into Him? Listen to what God said in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. According to God, the only spirit that was inside of Adam was the spirit that He put inside of Adam when He made Him, the breath of Life that God breathed into Adam in Genesis 2 vs 6-7. So when did you put another spirit into Adam without God's knowledge?

Kobojunkie:
1. Indoctrinated? So, when God told Adam not to eat from the tree, are we also to assume that Adam was indoctrinated by God then too?

2. What Satan? According to the story, it was a serpent who spoke to Eve. And by the way, where does this Idea that Satan indoctrinates come from?

1. Indoctrinated? So, when God told Adam not to eat from the tree, are we also to assume that Adam was indoctrinated by God then too? undecided

The Word of God is the Perfect doctrine for Man and the Word keep Adam in Fellowship with God.
The scripture said do not add, do not remove and by doing so we've indoctrinate the doctrines of God and that will keep us far from God like it kept Adam.

Kobojunkie:
1. That applies only as far as God.

2. That applies only as far as those who are in fact born-again, and last I checked, Adam was not born-again.

3. Which evil spirit did you put inside of Adam, and when did you do that? I am still asking you the same question. When was this spirit you continue to put inside of Adam introduced into Him? Listen to what God said in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. According to God, the only spirit that was inside of Adam was the spirit that He put inside of Adam when He made Him, the breath of Life that God breathed into Adam in Genesis 2 vs 6-7. So when did you put another spirit into Adam without God's knowledge?

2. That applies only as far as those who are in fact born-again, and last I checked, Adam was not born-again


Born again only came through Christ and in Christ. Are you trying to say those Men of God who were before Christ won't see the kingdom of God because they came before Christ started preaching about being a Born again Christian?...


3. Which evil spirit did you put inside of Adam, and when did you do that? I am still asking you the same question. When was this spirit you continue to put inside of Adam

Whosoever accept anything contrary to the Word of God has accept evil and Evil is a spirit. So Adam went contrary to the Word of God and accepted something else which is evil.

kingyakos:
■ The Word of God is the Perfect doctrine for Man and the Word keep Adam in Fellowship with God.
The scripture said do not add, do not remove and by doing so we've indoctrinate the doctrines of God and that will keep us far from God like it kept Adam.

1. So, by simply speaking to Adam, Eve, you claim, indoctrinated Adam, so is this indoctrination like some sort of magic spell that takes a hold of one and renders one unable to think for themselves or something?

kingyakos:
■ Born again only came through Christ and in Christ. Are you trying to say those Men of God who were before Christ won't see the kingdom of God because they came before Christ started preaching about being a Born again Christian?...

1. As Jesus Christ Himself informed you, John the Baptist, who came before Him and was described by Jesus Christ as the greatest — the last Prophet of Old—, was lower than even the least of those in the Kingdom of God. God's promise of the Kingdom of God was made to the sinners and not to the righteous of the Old Law.

Kobojunkie:
1. As Jesus Christ Himself informed you, John the Baptist, who came before Him and was described by Jesus Christ as the greatest — the last Prophet of Old—, was lower than even the least of those in the Kingdom of God. God's promise of the Kingdom of God was made to the sinners and not to the righteous of the Old Law.

So John the Baptist is not a sinner, Moses, Elijah, Daniel, Solomon, David, Abraham etc are not sinners so therefore they won't enter the kingdom of God?

kingyakos:
■ So John the Baptist is not a sinner,
■ Moses, Elijah, Daniel, Solomon, David, Abraham etc are not sinners so therefore they won't enter the kingdom of God?

1. No, John the Baptist was not a sinner.

2. Most of the men you listed were all men who died in righteousness. Again, Jesus Christ told you He was sent to call the sinners, and not the righteous, to God.

Kobojunkie:
1. No, John the Baptist was not a sinner.

2. Most of the men you listed were all men who died in righteousness. Again, Jesus Christ told you He was sent to call the sinners, and not the righteous, to God.

1. No, John the Baptist was not a sinner. undecided

A man who doubted God and dishonor Jesus Christ is not a sinner?...