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Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 10:14pm On Mar 31, 2023 |
Transcript 0:07 I have a question for the rabbi why 0:10 would two Mary's go to the tomb of Jesus 0:13 with spices after the Sabbath was this 0:18 custom that women could touch a dead 0:20 body since this would make them unclean 0:23 thank you here we go 0:25 that is such an important question why 0:28 did the women go to the tomb to bring 0:30 spices to anoint the body on Sunday 0:33 mornings as it turns out this is a 0:35 question that no one asks I've never 0:38 heard of it always seems to me to be the 0:43 elephant in the room because it 0:45 demonstrates that the story of the empty 0:47 tomb that never happened there going 0:50 what and I need to explain this 0:53 we are told in the Gospels not all the 0:57 gospel was told let's just take mark as 0:59 an example the last verse of mark 15 the 1:03 first verse of mark 16 that after the 1:05 Sabbath Mary Magdalene and Mary the 1:08 mother of James Salome 1:09 they brought spices to anoint Jesus body 1:12 that was the reason why they went to the 1:15 tombs Sunday morning 1:17 in Luke we find a very similar story at 1:19 the end of Luke chapter 23 verse 56 they 1:23 went home to prepare the spices and 1:25 perfumes and then the women rested on 1:28 the Sabbath in obedience because they 1:30 kept the lo sabes you don't prepare 1:31 spices on during Shabbos and very 1:33 importantly on the first day of the week 1:35 that means that we're going to Luke 24 1:37 verse 1 what do they do the women took 1:40 the spices they're paired and they went 1:41 to the tomb so we have these stories 1:44 where the body of the crucified Jesus is 1:48 buried before the showers and women come 1:51 to the tomb Sunday morning because we 1:55 forgot to anoint with their spices so we 1:57 have to put the spices on the dead 2:00 corpse listen very carefully first of 2:03 all if you're a Christian and you're 2:04 easily offended you should turn off the 2:06 show and watch something else I don't 2:09 mean to offend but this is a point that 2:11 everyone overlooks this story never 2:16 happened it's complete nonsense and ask 2:18 yourself this question did anyone that 2:21 you know of in your life in history ever 2:23 go to a tomb three days later because 2:26 some anointment had to be placed on the 2:28 now rotting corpse it never happens let 2:31 me provide the background because the 2:33 idea of having spices with the person 2:36 who passed away is all over Jewish 2:38 tradition and it's important to explain 2:40 the moment the person dies the body 2:43 immediately is decomposing immediately 2:46 and as you could figure out 2:49 the body that is decomposing it won't 2:53 take very long for the body to give off 2:57 an unpleasant odor which is considered a 3:01 bazillion how nice it's considered a 3:04 disgrace to the dead person to 3:06 understand this it means imagine here in 3:09 you shall I'm to be a hot day to be 90 3:12 degrees and the body is now giving off a 3:16 an odor that is unpleasant the point is 3:19 the body is decomposing so they had 3:21 techniques and this is described in our 3:24 literature that one's washing the body 3:27 they were sometimes as spices to that 3:28 washing process it's called a Tyrel they 3:31 would have spices in the shroud or 3:35 around the shroud there was a civic 3:37 combination of spices that were so 3:39 strong that would completely mask the 3:42 smell of the decaying body the point is 3:45 that until you get inside a tomb it 3:47 could be hours and hours 3:48 so therefore in short the spices are 3:51 added so that during the funeral 3:53 procession so that during the burial 3:55 procession no one smells the odor of the 3:58 decaying body that's the point of it 4:01 once the body is buried and I think you 4:03 know where this is all going nobody digs 4:06 up a dead body or in this case if it's 4:09 buried in the mausoleum or buried in a 4:11 cave 4:11 no one uncovers a cave three days later 4:14 to put spices inside this is a complete 4:16 nonsense no one ever does because 4:18 there's no reasons to do it 4:20 the whole point of adding spices it's 4:23 not like you have to have spaces if 4:25 there's no spices with the body then the 4:27 body doesn't go to heaven has nothing to 4:29 do with this no mysteries all this 4:31 therefore the story that we find in the 4:35 very first verse of Mark chapter 16 in 4:38 Luke in chapter 24 verse 1 that never 4:43 happened that's all nonsense like hi 4:46 Evelyn Evelyn there was no reason to go 4:49 to a tomb after someone's been in over 4:53 three days what are you trying to do 4:54 you're trying to make sure who can't 4:57 smell the body so how the heck did this 4:59 ever wind up in a couple of books of the 5:02 Gospels the reason 5:03 they needed a plot device they needed a 5:06 plot device in order to explain how 5:08 someone would come up with an empty tomb 5:10 it was no empty tomb but what happened 5:12 is they needed in an empty tomb story 5:14 because they need to say that Jesus rose 5:16 from the dead this is very important to 5:20 the book of Mark in particular why 5:22 because mark ends eight verses later 5:26 mark ends in chapter 16 verse 8 forget 5:30 about what the other 12 verses that you 5:32 see at the end of the Christian Bibles 5:34 you have those less verses from verse 9 5:37 of chapter 16 all the way through verse 5:39 20 those a later edition it ends with 5:42 the women were afraid and said nothing 5:43 to anyone that is the plot device the 5:45 plot device is how do we get back the 5:48 women to the tomb so we can have an 5:49 empty tomb story think for a moment why 5:52 would anybody go you know what the 5:55 body's already in the ground or it's in 5:57 the tomb it's been in there three days 5:59 is it decaying much much further but we 6:02 have to put spices on it even though no 6:03 one's coming near why would you want to 6:06 mask the smell of a decaying body that 6:09 it is already in its place of burial why 6:12 so what the cockroaches don't smell it 6:15 well it doesn't make sense it's 6:17 completely ludicrous and that's the 6:19 reason why John as he does often is he 6:23 corrects errors in the synoptic Gospels 6:25 and John introduces us to a character 6:30 that was unknown in all the synoptic 6:34 Gospels unknown in the letters of Paul 6:36 and that's Nicodemus Nicodemus is 6:39 important for Jesus conversation chapter 6:42 three not going there now he changes it 6:44 to have Nicodemus take care of 6:45 everything the spices and so on before 6:47 the burial now I don't want to waste 6:49 time talking about there's a 6:51 contradiction because why would the 6:53 women have to add spices after Nicodemus 6:55 did it already what happened is the 6:56 author of John is simply correcting this 6:58 so the story was invented in order to 7:01 have an empty tomb story because then 7:04 you have a motive for why the women go 7:05 back and you see that in fact in John 7:07 chapter 19 at the end of 19 we have our 7:11 Nicodemus character 7:13 an unknown personality who takes care of 7:17 the spices and does all these things and 7:19 make sure that Jesus berry properly the 7:21 empty tomb that my friends never 7:23 happened anyways thank you for your 7:25 question Judaism is the only true religion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7PLUrCsz6s 1 Like |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 8:12am On Apr 01, 2023 |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by Heathen777(m): 8:51am On Apr 01, 2023 |
MindHacker9009: All religions are man made stories and writings. Even your Judaism. 3 Likes |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by Kobojunkie: 8:56am On Apr 01, 2023 |
MindHacker9009:Not according to YHWH - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 32. God never gave men religion meaning no single religion is of Him. 1 Like |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:23am On Apr 01, 2023 |
Judaism is the WORSTEST of all religions! It wasn't built on the Mosaic laws rather they mixed up Babylonian mythology with Greek philosophy that's why they couldn't come to terms and conditions of worship and contradictions everywhere! |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 10:18am On Apr 01, 2023 |
Still no comment on the FAKE resurrection. 4 Likes |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 1:22pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: But your christianity was founded on Judaism but Judaism does not ask Jewish women to go into the tomb on the third day with anointing oil but your christianity is based on some Jewish women going into the tomb on the third day with anointing oil and a FAKE resurrection story and this story is what makes your christianity the BESTEST religion to you than Judaism that is now exposing all the FAKE stories in christianity. Thank GOD for TRUE Judaism. 4 Likes |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MrPresident1: 2:50pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
A fool's thread. There will be resurrection of the dead from the valley of dry bones. It will happen and all dogs are going to hell cc paxonel |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by sonmvayina(m): 2:58pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
We all know the jesus story is a fabrication.... Because Christianity is not derived from Judaism. It was a concept cooked up by the delegates in Nicea.....After they've been arguing for almost 2 years. ... Judaism is the national identity of the Jews....it's main foundation is the Torah..The Tanakh is the scriptures of the Jews. Written by them for them. It is a collection of the prophesies of their prophet, songs and laws guiding them as a people... 2 Likes |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 3:12pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MrPresident1: Yes there will be resurrection according to TRUE Judasiam but not according to the FAKE resurrection in your FAKE Gospels where the resurrected on the day of your superstar Jesus crucifixion waited in their tombs till the third day before coming out of their tombs. Matthew 27: 50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. 51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 1 Like |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MrPresident1: 3:35pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MindHacker9009: Nothing to discuss with you dog. All dogs are going to hell but before they are sent to hell they will first be beaten silly by the resurrected, to soften them very well, so they can enjoy their stay in hell cc paxonel |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:02pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MindHacker9009: Perhaps you don't understand that if the God of Abraham is backing Judaism it would have reached all the countries of the world like JWs are peacefully taking true Christianity round the world! Act 1:8 |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by Kobojunkie: 4:20pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MindHacker9009:Again, there is no "true" Judaism. There is only religion, and religion has absolutely nothing to do with God. 2. By the way, the passage you quoted instead says that those who were raised did not enter the holy city until after the resurrection. It does not state that they waited in their tombs until the third day.
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Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by Kobojunkie: 4:24pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MindHacker9009:1. One religion founded on another religion is still nothing but religion and as God made clear through His prophets, the religions of men have absolutely nothing to do with Him - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 32. Religion is all founded on the doctrines and traditions of men against God's very own law - Deuteronomy 4 vs 2 - and as such is against God. Hence, there is no element of truth to it. 2. Jesus Christ railed against the religion of Judaism. This is recorded all throughout the gospels. So, why would you then expect His followers to follow the traditions of the very same religion which He railed against? I mean come on... this isn't rocket science abeg! |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by sonmvayina(m): 4:33pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
Apart from the Igbo omenani...the next best thing I have seen is the Torah...if you understand it, you will love it.... |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 4:34pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: You are still avoiding why the Jewish women should go into the tomb with anointing oil on the third day on which you base your belief and the the second coming. 4 Likes |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 4:35pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: You are still avoiding why the Jewish women should go into the tomb with anointing oil on the third day on which you base your true christainity and the second coming. |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 4:36pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: You are still avoiding why the Jewish women should go into the tomb with anointing oil on the third day on which you base your true christainity and the second coming. |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by Kobojunkie: 4:57pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MindHacker9009:1. I did respond to that. Kobojunkie:Why in the world would these women, after realizing the falsehood of Judaism, continue to bow to its meaningless traditions when they have come to the realization that these traditions have nothing to do with that which God in fact commanded of them? Start by answering this question. Where in His Old Law of Moses did God ever state that Israelite women could not visit the tomb of the dead? Hopefully, from there, you will come to see how the idea that Jewish women cannot visit a tomb is utterly ridiculous. |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by sonmvayina(m): 5:03pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
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Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by sonmvayina(m): 5:23pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
Heathen777: It makes better sense than the other two... And more genuine too 1 Like |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:33pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MindHacker9009: If you argue from now till tomorrow it doesn't change the fact that the god of Judaism is fake and useless because the true God promised to extend His religion throughout the earth {Isaiah 2:2-4} whether people accept it or not those practicing pure worship will knock on their doors! Matthew 10:11-13; Act 1:8 |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 6:33pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Because the Jews were selfish with the TRUE Judaism, that was why GOD had to deal with Jonah before he would take The TRUE Judaism to another non Jewish town, just imagine how many Jews will have to be swallowed by a whale just for The TRUE Judaism to reach all the towns in this world so for this reason The TRUE GOD of Judaism allowed Israel and the Temple in Jerusalem to be conquered and the Jewish Torah to be take away by the Roman Empire who wanted to rule the whole world so since they were the ones that were eager to take the Torah to the rest of the world so The TRUE GOD of Judaism allowed the Roman Empire to take The TRUE Judaism to the rest of the world. Now because the Roman empire were worshiping their pagan gods and these pagan gods had to disguise themselves so that they too can be worshiped was the reason they added your FAKE New Testament and your FAKE master Jesus Christ so that you, your organisation and others can take them to all the towns of the world too. The TRUE GOD of Judaism knows that HIS TRUE worshipper will find HIM in the Old Testament and reject the pagan New Testament and your FAKE master Jesus and The TRUE GOD of The TRUE Judaism is using the internet, youtube and this forum to make this happen. |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:32am On Apr 02, 2023 |
MindHacker9009: Did God told Jonah to go and preach Judaism in Nineveh or proclaim judgment against the city? Well the God of Abraham didn't send any Jew to go and preach the Mosaic laws because God brought the Israelites out of Egypt under slavery before He introduced His laws to them and said: ‘You have seen for yourselves what I did to the Egyptians, in order to carry you on wings of eagles and bring you to myself. Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me' Exodus 19:4-5 So it was the laws that God used to seal the covenant between Himself and (ONLY) the nation of Israel another covenant must be established before God can extend His religion to any other nation otherwise He has become unjust. The Israelites needs to see Him in action before He can claim being the Almighty God and that's exactly what He did. But as for other nations they can't be compelled to worship Him unless the same thing happens that's why it's unjust sending a messenger to go and preach what the people of Nineveh don't know claiming they will be killed if they don't comply. What God sent Jonah to do in Nineveh is to proclaim judgment against the city for their wickedness towards themselves it has nothing to do with the laws God gave the Israelites because neither the Ninevites nor their ancestors have heard about such laws so how just will it be to proclaim judgment over what people never knew nor heard before? |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by Kobojunkie: 6:40am On Apr 02, 2023 |
MindHacker9009:1. Wrong! Scripture has it instead that what God sent Jonah to do was to warn the city of Nineveh of the impending destruction that awaited them --- a warning of the kind that God had sent cities such as Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon etc., --- if the people did nor repent of their wickedness. There is no indication that Jonah took what you call Judaism to Nineveh nor is there evidence that the people adopted Judaism as a result of Jonahs visit. 2. God's judgment against the Nation of Judah almost 2000 years ago is instead the fulfillment of God's prophecy from Daniel --- prophecy of seventysevens --- in which God promised that not only would He destroy Jerusalem after it had been rebuilt over centuries but that at that time He would also curse and and scatter the remnants of Israel just as He had cursed and scattered those of the Nation of Israel before them during the time of Nebuchadnezzar. And why did God do that? Because the people refused to repent from following religion -- Judaism. Your so-called true religion is the reason why God cursed and scattered all of Judah. Yes, just like He promised through Moses, God cursed and scattered all of Israel to the four corners or the earth, including all the Jews-- the Nation of Judah. There is no redemption for the cursed under the Old Law of Moses. The Law of Moses simply isn't designed to do that this by God's very own plan. So all your rabbis do daily is feed you lies and tricks to keep you deluded under the weight of God's curse on them. |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by Jokerman(m): 6:48am On Apr 02, 2023 |
Keep wasting your time. True believers believe in the resurrection of Christ. And on the day of reckoning(rapture), after the antichrist, another resurrection will occur unto the marriage supper of the Lamb... Selah |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 1:32pm On Apr 02, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Jesus himself stated to His twelve disciples that: These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.” (Matthew 10:5). So you should quote where The TRUE GOD of Judaism said HE's commandments are only for the house of Israel? And how will the people of Nineveh know they are doing what is wrong if the are not thought the Torah? Here The True GOD of the Torah have included Gentiles for salvation without your new religion: "I will also make you a light for the Gentiles that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isaiah 49:6 |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:50pm On Apr 02, 2023 |
MindHacker9009:Jesus came to gather only his co-rulers these ones supposed to be chosen among only the Israelites because the promise God made to Abraham is that all the nation of the earth will be blessed through the seed of Abraham! Genesis 12:3 So those that will rule with Christ must be people who are studious reader of God's word but before the arrival of Jesus (Christ) the Samaritans have turned away from the teachings of the prophets they only believe the five books of Moses that's why Jesus told his disciples to concentrate on the Jews who still hold the laws (and the prophets) dearly in their hearts! Matthew 10:6 And how will the people of Nineveh know they are doing what is wrong if the are not thought the Torah? Here The True GOD of the Torah have included Gentiles for salvation: "I will also make you a light for the Gentiles that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isaiah 49:6Nobody taught the Ninevites anything about the Torah because God never had a covenant with any other nations except the Israelites! Exodus 19:5 As for the promise regarding gentiles it's after the Christ has come that salvation will be taken to other nations that's why Isaiah said: For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 This child will be the Wonderful Counselor without his coming the Israelites can't take any message to the people of other nations God must established the new covenant first. Jeremiah 31:31-34 So do you agree that the Messiah has come? |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 5:56pm On Apr 02, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: You are wrong because here The True GOD of the Torah have included Gentiles for salvation without your new religion: "I will also make you a light for the Gentiles that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isaiah 49:6 |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 5:57pm On Apr 02, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: You are wrong because here The True GOD of the Torah have included Gentiles for salvation without your new religion: "I will also make you a light for the Gentiles that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isaiah 49:6 True Judaism is the only true religion. If not, why will the Marys going into the tomb with anointing oil on the third day be the basis for a new religion. Which religion sends women into the tomb on the third day with anointing oil? |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:07pm On Apr 02, 2023 |
MindHacker9009: God never gave any law to imperfect humans until He had a covenant with the nation of Israel! Exodus 19:5 This covenant was first pronounced during the time of Abraham but Abraham never got the laws. Then it was transferred to Isaac (Abraham's second son) but Isaac never got the laws. Then it was transferred to Jacob but Jacob also lived and died without having the laws not until the Israelites were brought out of Egypt that God took Moses to the mountains to give him he laws as the seal for the covenant He made with their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! So before God could send any Israelite to go and preach about righteousness to any other nation the new covenant must be established first! Jeremiah 31:31-34 Please when was this second covenant established if not after Christ has offered his life as the lamb on the torture stake? |
Re: Proof That The Gospel’s Jesus Resurrection Accounts Never Occurred by MindHacker9009(m): 6:16pm On Apr 02, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: And where does it say in the Old Testament that the new covenant is going to be based on an innocent man being nailed to the cross and some Marys going into his tomb with anointing oil on the third day be the basis for this new covenant? |
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