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Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 6:28pm On Apr 01, 2023
This would be very short!
One of the cardinal weakness of Muslims is that they do NOT understand the GRAVITY of SIN against God. They feel that sin is just a TRIVIAL breaking of the law that has no serious consequence!
In Sahih Hadith Muslim 2749, Mohammed claimed that
1. Allah desires people who would be SINNERS but who would always return back to him to ask for forgiveness.
2. Allah would destroy people who choose not to commit sin

As an example, Allah has DECREED the number of Adultery Antichristian, LegalWolf, Lukuluku69, Empiree, Rash4ductluv, , Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef and Vanessa7 will commit to which they cannot escape.

Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.


Little do they know that
a. God by His nature is absolute over His creations so that the integrity of God's absoluteness is that His commands are NEVER violated.
b. God created Beings with free Will!
Absolute freewill mean that such creatures can by their own volition CHOOSE to either OBEY or VIOLATE the command of God. This however goes against the Absoluteness of Sovereignty of God.
c. Since a Violation of God's Integrity, Sovereignty and Absoluteness of God CANNOT be UNDONE, there is a Fitting JUDGEMENT and CONSEQUENCE for such.
This is what the Bible calls the SECOND DEATH!


Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.



My non-Islamic Questions:
1. "How serious is it for a person to Slap the President of North Korea during his National Broadcast?"
I guess it's not worth a death sentence, after all it's an ordinary slap not assassination attempt!

2. How can this person above UNDO his Crime of slapping the President of North Korea?






Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 7:56pm On Apr 01, 2023
I guess you can answer the questions abdullahi45 and Encyclopedia1 ,
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by FxMasterz: 8:49pm On Apr 01, 2023
TenQ:
I guess you can answer the questions abdullahi45
This is hot!
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by zoer(m): 9:25pm On Apr 01, 2023
This is huge.....is the passage you quoted in the Quran?
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 10:07pm On Apr 01, 2023
FxMasterz:

This is hot!
Watch how they play deaf and dumb!

When we tell them they worship satan!

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 10:09pm On Apr 01, 2023
zoer:
This is huge.....is the passage you quoted in the Quran?
The passage is not the Qur'an but the hadiths.

*The Hadiths are the words of Mohammed
*The Qur'an is the supposed words of Allah
*Tafsirs are commentaries to the Qur'an.

The Hadiths referenced are both Sahih (authentic/strong) and Muslims cannot deny them.

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by FxMasterz: 10:59pm On Apr 01, 2023
TenQ:

Watch how they play deaf and dumb!

When we tell them they worship satan!
Satan mixed truth and lies together to confuse his victims. He is not easy to decipher except by the work of the Holy Spirit.
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 11:19pm On Apr 01, 2023
FxMasterz:

Satan mixed truth and lies together to confuse his victims. He is not easy to decipher except by the work of the Holy Spirit.
It's amazing how much dirt is under the religious books of Muslims. They have told so much lies that it is now haunting them.

Thank God for the internet, many of the lies cannot be hidden again. Unfortunately, it's about slavery of the soul and spirit rather than intellectual failure.

We shall continue to expose the hidden things while we also pray for them.
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by FxMasterz: 11:22pm On Apr 01, 2023
TenQ:

It's amazing how much dirt is under the religious books of Muslims. They have told so much lies that it is now haunting them.

Thank God for the internet, many of the lies cannot be hidden again. Unfortunately, it's about slavery of the soul and spirit rather than intellectual failure.

We shall continue to expose the hidden things while we also pray for them.
God called them His sons and daughters but Satan told them they're his slaves and they rejoice for being Satan's slaves without knowing what they're doing.
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by orisa37: 3:59am On Apr 02, 2023
NO.
HE WANTS US TO BE SAINTS.
HE WANTS US TO GRADUATE FROM SELFISHNESS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS.
THAT IS WHAT PEACE IS ALL ABOUT.
ALLAH IS GOD OF PEACE(ALLAH IS CHRIST).
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 6:59am On Apr 02, 2023
orisa37:
NO.
HE WANTS US TO BE SAINTS.
HE WANTS US TO GRADUATE FROM SELFISHNESS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS.
THAT IS WHAT PEACE IS ALL ABOUT.
ALLAH IS GOD OF PEACE(ALLAH IS CHRIST).
I can understand that that is what you in particular desire Islam to be in relation to Allah, however, your prophet says otherwise.

However, Are the two hadiths I quoted TRUE or UNTRUE?


In Sahih Hadith Muslim 2749, Mohammed claimed that
1. Allah desires people who would be SINNERS but who would always return back to him to ask for forgiveness.
2. Allah would destroy people who choose not to commit sin

As an example, Allah has DECREED the number of Adultery you, orisa37 will commit to which you cannot escape.

Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.




Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.



Are these two hadiths fabrications?
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by Bintdawood(f): 7:05am On Apr 02, 2023
From your writeup, you are full of hate.
And In sha Allah no Muslim brother or sister will argue with you.
You need deliverance, may Allah guide you to the righteous path amin!
🚶 🚶

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by FxMasterz: 7:18am On Apr 02, 2023
Bintdawood:
From your writeup, you are full of hate.
And In sha Allah no Muslim brother or sister will argue with you.
You need deliverance, may Allah guide you to the righteous path amin!
🚶 🚶
What's the hate in telling you the truth about the deception in your religion? He's awakening you to the reality of that deception so that you can escape. Is that hatred? If he hates you, he wouldn't be asking us to pray for you. This your allegation is false. There's no truth in it.

Which Muslim slave would argue with him? They all can plainly see what is written in their holy books. They need not argue with him except they want to become liars to start twisting the words of their holy books. If they'll argue, they should argue with their books

Allah desperately wants you to commit sin. He wants you to be Adulterous because he desperately wants you in hell with him.

God has destined Satan to hell, and he has vowed never to go there alone. Be wise. The true God is holy, pure and just. He hates iniquity with passion. He helps people to live righteously. He has not allocated iniquity to anyone to commit. May your inner eyes be opened.

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 7:52am On Apr 02, 2023
FxMasterz:

God called them His sons and daughters but Satan told them they're his slaves and they rejoice for being Satan's slave without knowing what they're doing.
I honestly pray that GOD have mercy on their souls. If my parents were Muslims, probably me too will be a Muslim exactly like LegalWolf, Anti-christian, Lukuluku69, Empiree, Rash4ductluv, , Haekymbahd, motayoayinde OR drlateef IGNORANTLY deep in the lies and fabrications called Islam.


In Islam, they practice TWO sets of Taqqiya
1. One level of deception for themselves as Muslims
2. The other level of deception to non-Muslims

They wish that these truths will never become public because they are damaging to the religion of Islam.

They are indeed Slaves of an entity called Allah who they do NOT know!
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 7:56am On Apr 02, 2023
Bintdawood:
From your writeup, you are full of hate.
And In sha Allah no Muslim brother or sister will argue with you.
You need deliverance, may Allah guide you to the righteous path amin!
🚶 🚶
Thank you My sister.

I do NOT hate you Muslims one single bit. In fact, I pray for you that the veil covering your eyes will be removed through the truth.

It is not about any arguement: I quoted, TWO hadiths for you, are they UNTRUE?


Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.



Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.



Are these two hadiths fabrications?

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by FxMasterz: 8:17am On Apr 02, 2023
TenQ:

I honestly pray that GOD have mercy on their souls. If my parents were Muslims, probably me too will be a Muslim exactly like LegalWolf, Anti-christian, Lukuluku69, Empiree, Rash4ductluv, , Haekymbahd, motayoayinde OR drlateef IGNORANTLY deep in the lies and fabrications called Islam.


In Islam, they practice TWO sets of Taqqiya
1. One level of deception for themselves as Muslims
2. The other level of deception to non-Muslims

They wish that these truths will never become public because they are damaging to the religion of Islam.

They are indeed Slaves of an entity called Allah who they do NOT know!
Amen to all the prayers.

The Taqqiya issue is in itself a sell out. What person in his right mind would profess allegiance to a god that permits you to deceive people on his behalf?

Muslims should wake up and open their eyes to see the errors of their ways. Hell isn't a sweet place. I beg my Muslim brothers and sisters to allow God reveal Himself unto them. Those that have died already have their fates sealed. There's no repentance after death. Let no one deceive you. No amount of prayers for the dead can change the fate of the dead. Once dead, the next thing is judgement.

I appeal to all Muslims out there to consider the destination of their souls much earnestly. Hel is not a sweet place.

All the lies they're telling you about Jesus Christ, Christianity and the Bible are arrows of war against your souls so that you can be completely alienated from salvation.

Jesus came only to save. He didn't come to do anything else. Find out the truth with an unbiased mind. When you meet the true God, you'll find out that He's extremely loving, patience, kind and too Holy. Please be wise and save your souls from the grip of satanic deception.

Jesus saves, and He saves totally.
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by FxMasterz: 8:25am On Apr 02, 2023
TenQ:
This would be very short!
One of the cardinal weakness of Muslims is that they do NOT understand the GRAVITY of SIN against God. They feel that sin is just a TRIVIAL breaking of the law that has no serious consequence!
In Sahih Hadith Muslim 2749, Mohammed claimed that
1. Allah desires people who would be SINNERS but who would always return back to him to ask for forgiveness.
2. Allah would destroy people who choose not to commit sin

As an example, Allah has DECREED the number of Adultery Antichristian, LegalWolf, Lukuluku69, Empiree, Rash4ductluv, , Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef and Vanessa7 will commit to which they cannot escape.

Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.


Little do they know that
a. God by His nature is absolute over His creations so that the integrity of God's absoluteness is that His commands are NEVER violated.
b. God created Beings with free Will!
Absolute freewill mean that such creatures can by their own volition CHOOSE to either OBEY or VIOLATE the command of God. This however goes against the Absoluteness of Sovereignty of God.
c. Since a Violation of God's Integrity, Sovereignty and Absoluteness of God CANNOT be UNDONE, there is a Fitting JUDGEMENT and CONSEQUENCE for such.
This is what the Bible calls the SECOND DEATH!


Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.



My non-Islamic Questions:
1. "How serious is it for a person to Slap the President of North Korea during his National Broadcast?"
I guess it's not worth a death sentence, after all it's an ordinary slap not assassination attempt!

2. How can this person above UNDO his Crime of slapping the President of North Korea?






Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji
There's a converted Muslim brother here on Nairaland called Speaklove. He has all the vivid experiences of being a Muslim. He knows how the ordinary Muslim views the gospel of salvation. He has tasted God, and has had encounters with the Holy Spirit after giving his life to Christ. I don't know why he is never at the forefront of helping his Muslim brothers come out of darkness. He's more concerned about atheists than he is about Muslims. Speaklove should wake up!

All souls are important before God. God didn't create hell for humans. He created it for Satan and fallen angels. We must strive to ensure that more souls enter heaven instead of hell.
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 8:50am On Apr 02, 2023
FxMasterz:

There's a converted Muslim brother here on Nairaland called Speaklove. He has all the vivid experiences of being a Muslim. He knows how the ordinary Muslim views the gospel of salvation. He has tasted God, and has had encounters with the Holy Spirit after giving his life to Christ. I don't know why he is never at the forefront of helping his Muslim brothers come out of darkness. He's more concerned about atheists than he is about Muslims. Speaklove should wake up!

All souls are important before God. God didn't create hell for humans. He created it for Satan and fallen angels. We must strive to ensure that more souls enter heaven instead of hell.

Nice to know Brother Speaklove : I hope he is reading this too.

In spite of this, a person no only need to know Islam as a Religion, he needs to have a good understanding of the Gospel of Salvation and the ability of conveying the information to others to reach out to Muslims
Step 1:
Show Muslims the Failure and Deception of Islam
Step 2:
Answer Muslims misconceptions about the Messiah
Step 3:
Explain the Gospel of Salvation
Step 4:
Give them the opportunity to accept the Messiah's Lordship and Salvation
Step 5:
Help them to grow in Faith, Knowledge and Purity

Step 2 and 3 are the most important and they require some preparations
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 8:53am On Apr 02, 2023
Here is a passionate word from a person who care for you. It would be disastrous to die only to know that you've been deceived!

FxMasterz:

Amen to all the prayers.

The Taqqiya issue is in itself a sell out. What person in his right mind would profess allegiance to a god that permits you to deceive people on his behalf?

Muslims should wake up and open their eyes to see the errors of their ways. Hell isn't a sweet place. I beg my Muslim brothers and sisters to allow God reveal Himself unto them. Those that have died already have their fates sealed. There's no repentance after death. Let no one deceive you. No amount of prayers for the dead can change the fate of the dead. Once dead, the next thing is judgement.

I appeal to all Muslims out there to consider the destination of their souls much earnestly. Hel is not a sweet place.

All the lies they're telling you about Jesus Christ, Christianity and the Bible are arrows of war against your souls so that you can be completely alienated from salvation.

Jesus came only to save. He didn't come to do anything else. Find out the truth with an unbiased mind. When you meet the true God, you'll find out that He's extremely loving, patience, kind and too Holy. Please be wise and save your souls from the grip of satanic deception.

Jesus saves, and Be saves totally.

Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Bintdawood , orisa37 , Raheeqilmaktoom
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by Raheeqilmaktoom: 9:37am On Apr 02, 2023
Bintdawood:
From your writeup, you are full of hate.
And In sha Allah no Muslim brother or sister will argue with you.
You need deliverance, may Allah guide you to the righteous path amin!
🚶 🚶

🙌
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 10:29am On Apr 02, 2023
Raheeqilmaktoom:


🙌


No argument intended my sister!

I do NOT hate you Muslims one single bit. In fact, I pray for you that the veil covering your eyes will be removed through the truth.

It is not about any arguement: I quoted, TWO hadiths for you, are they UNTRUE?


Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.



Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.



Are these two hadiths fabrications?
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by LegalWolf: 12:44pm On Apr 02, 2023
TenQ:
This would be very short!
One of the cardinal weakness of Muslims is that they do NOT understand the GRAVITY of SIN against God. They feel that sin is just a TRIVIAL breaking of the law that has no serious consequence!
In Sahih Hadith Muslim 2749, Mohammed claimed that
1. Allah desires people who would be SINNERS but who would always return back to him to ask for forgiveness.
2. Allah would destroy people who choose not to commit sin

As an example, Allah has DECREED the number of Adultery Antichristian, LegalWolf, Lukuluku69, Empiree, Rash4ductluv, , Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef and Vanessa7 will commit to which they cannot escape.

Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.


Little do they know that
a. God by His nature is absolute over His creations so that the integrity of God's absoluteness is that His commands are NEVER violated.
b. God created Beings with free Will!
Absolute freewill mean that such creatures can by their own volition CHOOSE to either OBEY or VIOLATE the command of God. This however goes against the Absoluteness of Sovereignty of God.
c. Since a Violation of God's Integrity, Sovereignty and Absoluteness of God CANNOT be UNDONE, there is a Fitting JUDGEMENT and CONSEQUENCE for such.
This is what the Bible calls the SECOND DEATH!


Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.



My non-Islamic Questions:
1. "How serious is it for a person to Slap the President of North Korea during his National Broadcast?"
I guess it's not worth a death sentence, after all it's an ordinary slap not assassination attempt!

2. How can this person above UNDO his Crime of slapping the President of North Korea?






Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji

Just two quick questions:

1. Tell us why the Christian version of sin is the “correct” version.

2. It is indisputable that Judaism is a progenitor of Christianity right? And even Jesus was a Jew…if that js correct, please give us a logical explanation on WHY we should take a latter view (christianity) of sin from that of its predecessor (Judaism)? . After all, judaism does not believe in the human sacrifice of salvation you folks hang on.

We are waiting…

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by advocatejare(m): 1:25pm On Apr 02, 2023
TenQ:
This would be very short!
One of the cardinal weakness of Muslims is that they do NOT understand the GRAVITY of SIN against God. They feel that sin is just a TRIVIAL breaking of the law that has no serious consequence!
In Sahih Hadith Muslim 2749, Mohammed claimed that
1. Allah desires people who would be SINNERS but who would always return back to him to ask for forgiveness.
2. Allah would destroy people who choose not to commit sin

As an example, Allah has DECREED the number of Adultery Antichristian, LegalWolf, Lukuluku69, Empiree, Rash4ductluv, , Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef and Vanessa7 will commit to which they cannot escape.

Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.


Little do they know that
a. God by His nature is absolute over His creations so that the integrity of God's absoluteness is that His commands are NEVER violated.
b. God created Beings with free Will!
Absolute freewill mean that such creatures can by their own volition CHOOSE to either OBEY or VIOLATE the command of God. This however goes against the Absoluteness of Sovereignty of God.
c. Since a Violation of God's Integrity, Sovereignty and Absoluteness of God CANNOT be UNDONE, there is a Fitting JUDGEMENT and CONSEQUENCE for such.
This is what the Bible calls the SECOND DEATH!


Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.



My non-Islamic Questions:
1. "How serious is it for a person to Slap the President of North Korea during his National Broadcast?"
I guess it's not worth a death sentence, after all it's an ordinary slap not assassination attempt!

2. How can this person above UNDO his Crime of slapping the President of North Korea?






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You forgot to add that it was Allah that programmed Adam to commit the sin in the garden 40 years before Adam was created, yet Allah punished Adam for the sins the same Allah made him do!


Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 1:46pm On Apr 02, 2023
advocatejare:

You forgot to add that it was Allah that programmed Adam to commit the sin in the garden 40 years before Adam was created, yet Allah punished Adam for the sins the same Allah made him do!


Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.
Thank you so much.

Allah created Adam to commit sin: it is consistent with Destiny in Islam (40 years before Adam was created)



Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.



There is only one being whose purpose is to force people to commit sin.

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 2:22pm On Apr 02, 2023
First,
Can you respond to these questions?

1. Do you agree that the Hadiths presented in these post are true hadiths?
2. Do you agree that Allah has destined the number of Adultery a man should commit and there is no escaping from it?
3. Do you agree that Allah delights in SINNERS who will ask for forgiveness rather than a man who will NOT commit sin?

4. Therefore, In what way has this my post misrepresented Islam?




LegalWolf:


Just two quick questions:

1. Tell us why the Christian version of sin is the “correct” version.
There is no Christian version of the definition of SIN.
Sin is missing the Mark God designed for us to make. Take it to the moon, it remains unchanged!
All Unrighteousness and all Violation of God's Rule for man is SIN!


Even though Islam does not understand the GRAVITY of Sin, Is Islamic definition of sin different from this?




LegalWolf:

2. It is indisputable that Judaism is a progenitor of Christianity right? And even Jesus was a Jew…if that js correct, please give us a logical explanation on WHY we should take a latter view (christianity) of sin from that of its predecessor (Judaism)? . After all, judaism does not believe in the human sacrifice of salvation you folks hang on.

We are waiting…
1. Unfortunately for you, the ordinance for sin is from the Torah: to avoid the penalty or Consequence of Sin is that a sacrifice for sin is presented.


Exo 30:10:
"And Aaron shall make an atonement on the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement on it throughout your generations: it is most holy to the LORD."

Lev 4:3:
"If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he has sinned, a young bullock without blemish to the LORD for a sin offering."

Lev 4:24:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering."

Lev 4:29:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering."

Lev 4:33:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering."

Lev 5:7:
"And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he has committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, to the LORD; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering."

2. The Messiah was to be an Offering for the Sin of God's people
Isa 53:10:
"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."


3. EVERY human being is guilty of sin. It is impossible to pay for the sin on others if you have a debt of sin to pay for yourself.

4. Jesus is NOT a descendant of Adam, is He?
Technically, even though in human flesh, Jesus is NOT Human!
John 1:1-3,10-14:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. … He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."


Jesus is SINLESS therefore he Can be
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by ThatFairGuy1: 5:17pm On Apr 02, 2023
Anyone arguing with a crude pathological liar like you is just wasting his/her time.

Till today you couldn't te who wrote Deuteronomy. Ordinary Deuteronomy when I've answered your own numerous questions.

Shior
advocatejare:

You forgot to add that it was Allah that programmed Adam to commit the sin in the garden 40 years before Adam was created, yet Allah punished Adam for the sins the same Allah made him do!


Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by LegalWolf: 6:17pm On Apr 02, 2023
Lol! I rate imb.eciles ahead of you folks. Simple question and no cogent answer!

Lol!


TenQ:
First,
Can you respond to these questions?

1. Do you agree that the Hadiths presented in these post are true hadiths?
2. Do you agree that Allah has destined the number of Adultery a man should commit and there is no escaping from it?
3. Do you agree that Allah delights in SINNERS who will ask for forgiveness rather than a man who will NOT commit sin?

4. Therefore, In what way has this my post misrepresented Islam?.

Misrepresent Islam? What do you mean?


There is no Christian version of the definition of SIN.
Sin is missing the Mark God designed for us to make. Take it to the moon, it remains unchanged!
All Unrighteousness and all Violation of God's Rule for man is SIN!
(underline mine)

Lol. There’s no Christian version of sin, but you went ahead to discuss “original sin”…isn’t it?

Let me break it down for you. “Salvation” - one of the ultimate messages of Christianity - has a conception of sin that is unique to your religion. This is called “original sin”. You and I agree that original sin is unfounded in Judaism, the religion Christ followed to the latter.

So, pray mr TenQ, why we should believe Christianity’s concept of original sin when IT IS NOT founded in Judaism.


Even though Islam does not understand the GRAVITY of Sin, Is Islamic definition of sin different from this?





1. Unfortunately for you, the ordinance for sin is from the Torah: to avoid the penalty or Consequence of Sin is that a sacrifice for sin is presented.


Exo 30:10:
"And Aaron shall make an atonement on the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement on it throughout your generations: it is most holy to the LORD."

Lev 4:3:
"If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he has sinned, a young bullock without blemish to the LORD for a sin offering."

Lev 4:24:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering."

Lev 4:29:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering."

Lev 4:33:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering."

Lev 5:7:
"And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he has committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, to the LORD; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering."



Not a single text that you quoted tells us that every single one of us has committed an original sin and we need the blood of messiah to atone for us. None whatsoever! Lol


2. The Messiah was to be an Offering for the Sin of God's people
Isa 53:10:
"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."

Jews disagree with you folks on the suffering servant text you quoted (and I agree with them).So tell us why we should believe your own interpretation. Are you aware of their reasons?


3. EVERY human being is guilty of sin. It is impossible to pay for the sin on others if you have a debt of sin to pay for yourself.

No single text of the OT to support this. So why should we believe you?



4. Jesus is NOT a descendant of Adam, is He?
Technically, even though in human flesh, Jesus is NOT Human!
John 1:1-3,10-14:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. … He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."


Jesus is SINLESS therefore he Can be

You’ll eventually deny Christ. Mark, Matthew and Luke gave three contradictory genealogies of Jesus. Is it spirit that have genealogies?

Again, you and I agree that Mary is the mother of Christ. Is Mary not Adam descendant?
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by efficiencie(m): 6:30pm On Apr 02, 2023
Wow. So Allah needs his slaves to sin so that they can seek forgiveness and he hates those that do not sin. Na wa oh. That's a psychopathic and narcissistic deity oh.
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by advocatejare(m): 8:32pm On Apr 02, 2023
ThatFairGuy1:
Anyone arguing with a crude pathological liar like you is just wasting his/her time.
Are you saying that this sahih Hadith of your beloved Muhammad is a lie?

Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.


Till today you couldn't te who wrote Deuteronomy. Ordinary Deuteronomy when I've answered your own numerous questions.
You made a bogus claim that there is an original gospel different from the one we have today and that you will give me the link to the original gospel and till date you’re yet to give me the link and here you are telling lies that you answered my question.

Show me the link to the original gospel that you promised.

I have the record of your lies, check the screenshots below

Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by Encyclopedia1: 9:04pm On Apr 02, 2023
TenQ:
I guess you can answer the questions abdullahi45 and Encyclopedia1 ,
Allah is will forgive sins so far you ask. What’s the essence of our existence if not to sin and ask form forgiveness? Mind you, he will not forgive “all” sins if u don’t ask.

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Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ: 9:51pm On Apr 02, 2023
Encyclopedia1:

Allah is will forgive sins so far you ask. What’s the essence of our existence if not to sin and ask form forgiveness? Mind you, he will not forgive “all” sins if u don’t ask.
Are you concurring that Allah created us humans for the purpose of sinning against him?

I asked you some simple non-islamic questions
My non-Islamic Questions:
1. "How serious is it for a person to Slap the President of North Korea during his National Broadcast?"
I guess it's not worth a death sentence, after all it's an ordinary slap not assassination attempt!
2. How can this person above UNDO his Crime of slapping the President of North Korea?


Can you thus respond to theses
1. What can a human being do to UNDO his sin against God?
2. Are you agreeing that Allah created us to sin against him so that we can ask for forgiveness according to Sahih Muslim 2749
Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by Encyclopedia1: 10:25pm On Apr 02, 2023
TenQ:

Are you concurring that Allah created us humans for the purpose of sinning against him?

I asked you some simple non-islamic questions
My non-Islamic Questions:
1. "How serious is it for a person to Slap the President of North Korea during his National Broadcast?"
I guess it's not worth a death sentence, after all it's an ordinary slap not assassination attempt!
2. How can this person above UNDO his Crime of slapping the President of North Korea?


Can you thus respond to theses
1. What can a human being do to UNDO his sin against God?
2. Are you agreeing that Allah created us to sin against him so that we can ask for forgiveness according to Sahih Muslim 2749

You and I know we can’t compare man to God.
And also the Bible says, the foolishness of God is …….

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