MightySparrow:

How are they God's enemies Bible student?

oteneaaron:

No Max.
There is really no need for these long epistles.
You have already agreed that as a Jehovah's Witness, you are a member of a destructive religious organization who use negative indoctrination tactics to control the minds of their members.

You can't pick one and leave the other.
It is a full package.

MightySparrow:


Another error - babies ( heritage of God) are His enemies! This doctrine shocked me when I first heard it. Why would God make enemies His heritage?

What about adults that leave JWs to become Muslims.


https://youtube.com/shorts/v_j2sFtpCCE?feature=share

Delusion

The children born to Jehovah's servants are God's heritage,as long as the parents are accountable for their infants, toddlers, under age kids.
The parents won't ever be accountable for adolescent faithless miscreants.

Which baby, toddlers or infants survived the flood of Noah's day?
Did evildoers and their children survive the flood?
Are you so daft to forget this fact?

Ozuo Sparrow

oteneaaron:


No Max.

There is really no need for these long epistles.

You have already agreed that as a Jehovah's Witness, you are a member of a destructive religious organization who use negative indoctrination tactics to control the minds of their members.


You can't pick one and leave the other.

It is a full package.

Idol Worshipper indoctrinated by Hermes Trismegistus.

Janosky:

Idol Worshipper indoctrinated by Hermes Trismegistus. [/b]

oteneaaron:
The basic elements of destructive indoctrination continues -

MightySparrow:
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You have been mumunized by JWs doctrine too. I am enlightened by pentecostal - a body of Christ that encourages us to think through any doctrine not a Tony Morris doctrine, after taking paraga and be teaching ' gibberish''

MightySparrow screenshot,14th August,2022 @8:30pm.
" Sparrow stopped taking the Bible serious ever since I saw it is not fit for this our era" .
MightySparrow "enlightened by pentecostal", a body of 3 deities worshippers.
Jehovah's witnesses teach what your Bible says.

HYPOCRITE LYING & DECEIVING himself

oteneaaron:
Can you see what is happening on this thread?

I have not mentioned any specific example of a destructive religious organization, but some people are already rattled.

There are two people on this thread who are Jehovah's Witnesses and already screaming blue murder on this thread.

Remember, I have not given any example yet, but MaxInDHouse and Janosky are already foaming in their mouths.

Does this mean their religion is an example of a destructive religious organization using negative indoctrination to control the minds of their followers?

Makes you wonder.

🤔🤔🤔

Courz:


I have said earlier that the Guilty are very transparent. You didn't mention a specific organisation. But the members who know their organisation very well as a destructive organisation using Mind Control tactics showed up here and started ranting. They know that every single point you mentioned fits the description of their Cult to the T. And they couldn't help themselves but expose their organisation further for all to see. In fact, the fact that they just showed up here out of the blues shows that they are Already aware they are in a destructive Cult. And that is a right step in the right direction. It means our efforts to educate them about their Cult were not in vain. We should clap for ourselves for this job well done. They must really have sleepless nights over you. That Max Buffoon of an Idiot claimed he doesn't have your time yet look at his comments all over this thread, quoting you up and down. They follow you around in this forum. You are doing a wonderful job on these JWs. You have pierced through their soul and they are ashamed that your points are Facts to the point that they help you to finish your sentences. You should be proud. You're a force to reckon with.

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ you've challenge all religionists including traditionalists so in a nutshell you're an atheist!

Oteneaaron alias Courz is a confirmed Idol Worshipper indoctrinated with spiritism.
It is in his profile.

oteneaaron:


In essence, you are telling everyone on this thread that your religion aka Jehovah's Witnesses is an example of a destructive religious organization that uses negative indoctrination to control the minds of its followers.

Interesting admittance.

Janosky:

Oteneaaron alias Courz is a confirmed Idol Worshipper indoctrinated with spiritism.
It is in his profile.

MaxInDHouse:


Psalms 51:5

MightySparrow:

Why are JWs giving birth to enemies of God?
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.
Job.14.4 ,

MaxInDHouse:


If you're not a faithless miscreant even what you quoted is in support of JW's opinion.

All have sinned and fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so nobody can give birth to God's friends unless they grow up and learn to become God's friends.
That's what Job is asking nothing clean can come out of the unclean!

MightySparrow:

Meaning enemies of God producing more enemies given God more headaches.

MaxInDHouse:


Why did you think God established the laws, prophets and Christ?

Well it's because all humans are God's enemies as our sin is heavier than what any of us can bear {Psalms 49:7-9} the only way out is DEATH for all of us.

Did you note what was done to Jesus Christ?

Well that's what all of us deserve as sinners! Romans 5:12

So humble yourself and learn you're wasting your time claiming pentecostal because even if you spend the remaining 20 years of your life there you will still end up in destruction for lack of faith. As we're all sinners Jesus paid for our (inherited) sin so we can learn to become God's friends and turn a new leaf.

That's what Christianity is all about not some Papa's stuff where you only go singing and dancing thinking you're worshiping Jesus! Matthew 15:7-9

MightySparrow:

I think you are wasting your own time also. That all are sinners is a welcomed doctrine every christian denomination preaches and teaches.
That children are by default enemies of God is something I can' t really relate with. As we are rejoicing at the arrival of a child, God and the hosts of heaven are unhappy because an enemy has just been added.

MightySparrow:

I believe children, in spite, of the the fall of man are still holding a special place in God before the age of accountability.

MightySparrow:

Otherwise Jesus would have thrusted them away just like his disciples did. Rather, he asked us to learn from them. What judgment awaiting children is not explicit in the scriptures, but by JWs line of thought all children are doomed.

MightySparrow:

Dancing in the church as part of worship is in order. David did, Miriam did. I will yet dance to good music recorded to praise God. Psalms 150. You don't dance in your meeting but dance to Awilo, Davido, Naira Marle, baba alatika. 1 Peter 4:3
[3]For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

MaxInDHouse:

Whether you're 100 years old or a fetus in your mother's womb it's the same condition that's affecting you you're a descendant of Adam so you're an enemy of God until you learn to put on the New personality God wants to relate with!

You're wrong with this because when sending those who will destroy His enemies God never spare babies!

Jesus welcome all sinners whether old or young {Matthew 9:13} his disciples send away the babies because it's their parents who should listen to Jesus and in turn teach their children as God commanded! Deuteronomy 6:4-7

Dancing is for merriment but in the place of worship either temple, synagogue or places where Christians meet is wrong!
You can quote a verse where God's people dance either in the temple, synagogue or places where Christians meet.

MightySparrow:

God will not spare any sinner accepted. What exactly has a day old child done. Stillborn, miscarried foetus, aborted foetus. Going back. What is life? When does it enter a body. When will one be accountable for his actions?

MightySparrow:

I understand your position it is only complicated. Don't tell me you will stand beside God on judgment day or counsel Him on how to judge.

MightySparrow:

Yet at the dedication of Solomon' Temple, choir sang with music. Skillful ministrels played, God's glory came down. Thereafter, music ministry was birthed. What we call places of worship today is different from those of those in significance and arrangements.

MightySparrow:

We rightly dance to praise our God and frown at revelling it dance to dirty songs.

Courz:
These screenshots below is an example of Psychological Manipulation employed by a Religion.

Courz:
These screenshots below is an example of Psychological Manipulation employed by a Religion.

oteneaaron:


Thank you for the example.

This is pure information control in action.

What a destructive religious organization!

Courz Oteneaaron, Did Paul and Peter or Apollos form their own independent group ?

A Sergeant will form his own independent group whereas his GOC is in charge?

Kindred spirit of Hyemaneus everywhere.
MUMU FORMING WOKE.

Ozuo

MaxInDHouse:

When talking about sin or sinners the churches have misinformed most of you instead of thinking about the inherited sin from Adam you people think it's all about what a person is doing in this life. Well David have answered you that it's from conception that a sinner comes with his sin! Psalms 51:5
So it's not about what you do or what you don't do rather it'[b][/b]s because you're a descendant of Adam! Romans 3:23


The Bible is there for you to know God's will for you so don't be gullible thinking you will be favoured simply because you follow Papa, find out what a sinner needs to do so as to be spared in the day of God's vengeance! Zephaniah 2:2-3

YES! They do raise their voices to sing for their God but dancing only takes place outside the places of worship. Note that many a good in dancing and some women steal the show due to their talent in dancing {Matthew 14:6} as they twist their waists causing distraction.
That's why dancing wasn't included in places of worship back then.




Why not find out what is dirty from God's own viewpoint instead of judging from your myopic point of view? Do you know that singing for God while saying what is wrong is worse than kerewa and one corner?
Guy learn to distinguish between what God approves and what He disapproves instead of allowing musicians to deceive with Jesus name added to their quest for fame and fortune!

MightySparrow:

Psalms 127:3
[3]Lo, children are an enemies of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his
adversary.
_ JWs

MaxInDHouse:

Change of context won't save your face!

As God's image the life of all humans belongs to God so if you're privileged to become a caretaker know that the life of that little child is not your property it's God's.
That's the import of what you just quoted but as regards humans in general we have all sinned through Adam {Romans 3:23; 5:12} God hates sin so a sinner remains God's enemy even as a baby {Psalms 51:5} until you learn to become God's friend! Deuteronomy 6:4-7

MightySparrow:


Deut.6.4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Deut.6.5 - Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Deut.6.6 - And these words which I am commanding you this day shall be [first] in your [own] minds and hearts; [then] [AMP]

Write these commandments that I've given you today on your hearts. Get them inside of you [MSB]

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: [KJV]

These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. [NIV]

And you must commit yourselves wholeheartedly to these commands I am giving you today. [NLT]

"And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. [NKJV]


Deut.6.7 - Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.

Justify your claim of God' s enemity with God with your this scriptures.

oteneaaron:
Hello folks,

Today, I would like us to have some serious intellectual conversation.

If you are too mentally lazy to read or if you feel that doing any form of research is a waste of time, please avoid this thread.

While I was doing some research into the role indoctrination plays in religion, I stumbled on a research paper by Professor Alyona G. Ayrapetova, doctor of philosophy (PhD) on psychological Sciences, National University of Uzbekistan.

This research paper is titled - INDOCTRINATION AS A MECHANISM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IN THE PROCESS OF INVOLVEMENT IN DESTRUCTIVE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS


In this thread, I will be sharing the points I found interesting in the research paper and if possible, share real life examples of specific religious organizations who employ destructive indoctrination as a tool for manipulation.

Here is how the research paper was introduced -



It is all about the mind.

It is all about controlling what you think.

Politics, Religion and Advertising are designed to pass certain information or ideas to your mind.

Why is this serious?

Because you become what you regularly think about.

budaatum:


I think you become more "how" you regularly think about what you think about too, and even moreso.

Take me. I regularly think about religion and their gods but that does not make me a believer in imaginary gods, perhaps because of the sort of thinking that I do, as in how I think about what I think about.

Humans must be "psychologically manipulated", and it doesn't need to be a tool for destruction but a tool for development and for growth too. An example would be the manipulation of Nigerians so they do not kill each other or drive on the walkway or that they take personal responsibility for their neighbourhoods or to not participate in corruption or even learn to read and write, because education of minds which is what non-destructive manipulation is, is the cheapest long term and beneficial method to achieve these desirable goals. Even punishment is just one part of tools to manipulate the mind so it achieves positive development

The passage of certain ideas into the people’s minds is the purposeful and mindful and conscious goal of some. And though some may wrongly indoctrinate generations, a generation will arise that will critically consider what they are manipulated with, and "experience a transformation of thinking and the emergence of new political doctrines and religious ideologies that lead to the unification of thinking and behavior" and human progress will occur. It's how we evolve as a species after all..

You read the destructive side. The "Adam shall die" side. You must read the positive side called:
Education AS A MECHANISM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IN THE PROCESS OF INVOLVEMENT IN Societal Development to confirm that constructive religious (and non-religious) organizations exist and use a more positive side of "manipulation" to achieve positive outcomes. Add critical thinking to the mix and people might positively manipulate themselves to become gods.

budaatum:


I think you become more "how" you regularly think about what you think about too, and even moreso.

Take me. I regularly think about religion and their gods but that does not make me a believer in imaginary gods, perhaps because of the sort of thinking that I do, as in how I think about what I think about.

Humans must be "psychologically manipulated", and it doesn't need to be a tool for destruction but a tool for development and for growth too. An example would be the manipulation of Nigerians so they do not kill each other or drive on the walkway or that they take personal responsibility for their neighbourhoods or to not participate in corruption or even learn to read and write, because education of minds which is what non-destructive manipulation is, is the cheapest long term and beneficial method to achieve these desirable goals. Even punishment is just one part of tools to manipulate the mind so it achieves positive development

The passage of certain ideas into the people’s minds is the purposeful and mindful and conscious goal of some. And though some may wrongly indoctrinate generations, a generation will arise that will critically consider what they are manipulated with, and "experience a transformation of thinking and the emergence of new political doctrines and religious ideologies that lead to the unification of thinking and behavior" and human progress will occur. It's how we evolve as a species after all..

You read the destructive side. The "Adam shall die" side. You must read the positive side called:
Education AS A MECHANISM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IN THE PROCESS OF INVOLVEMENT IN Societal Development to confirm that constructive religious (and non-religious) organizations exist and use a more positive side of "manipulation" to achieve positive outcomes. Add critical thinking to the mix and people might positively manipulate themselves to become gods.