Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Islam had been vocal people worshipping one God and I fact, the greatest sin in Islam Shirk is associating partners with God.

However,
In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.
Paraphrased, Allah is reporting that the Jews and Christians have taken their Rabbis and Monks as Lord INSTEAD of Allah AND the Messiah


Note:
Let's discuss what the Qur'an truly says rather than what we feel the Qur'an is saying.

Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?



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If LegalWolf does not understand simple English language, shouldn't he keep his mouth shut!?

At least, you have the interlinear translation attached for your guidance!

Thanks

TenQ:
Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

The ignorance in the question asks one to accept the false premise that Allah wrote the Qur'an when nothing of the sort is claimed anywhere in the Qur'an.

Humans write words and books, and by nature, humans do make mistakes and even write outright lies and falsehoods, and oftentimes, ignorantly.

budaatum:


The ignorance in the question asks one to accept the false premise that Allah wrote the Qur'an when nothing of the sort is claimed anywhere in the Qur'an.

Humans write words and books, and by nature, humans do make mistakes and even write outright lies and falsehoods, and oftentimes, ignorantly.

Ask any Muslim if Mohammed wrote is the Author the Qur'an: they will tell you an emphatic NO!

According to Muslims
1. The Qur'an is the verbatim words of Allah dictated through angel Jubril to Mohammed.
2. The Qur'an is eternal and preserved in the mother tablet in paradise
3. The Qur'an does not contain the words of Mohammed

So Buda, I am going only by the claims of Muslims


You may ask any Muslim you know on NL and you'll see that I've only stated their position.


If this is the Muslims position, would my questions be reasonable?

TenQ:


So Buda, I am going only by the claims of Muslims

So, not by what you yourself read in the book?

Then I suggest you read this to understand the folly of going by the claims of others instead of what you discern from reading the book for yourself.

You might find yourself needing to blame those who can't read what their gods supposedly wrote.

You probably don't know that Islam depend not only on the Qur'an but volumes of Hadiths , the Tafsirs and Traditions.

budaatum:


So, not by what you yourself read in the book?

Then I suggest you read this to understand the folly of going by the claims of others instead of what you discern from reading the book for yourself.

You might find yourself needing to blame those who can't read what their gods supposedly wrote.

Your knowledge of Islam seem so shallow. Perhaps you need to read their CLAIMS from some of their sources.

https://www.arabnews.com/news/484631

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/10012

https://www.arabnews.com/news/484631


You can't defend that which you know nothing about

TenQ:
Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Islam had been vocal people worshipping one God and I fact, the greatest sin in Islam Shirk is associating partners with God.

…….

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TenQ:
If LegalWolf does not understand simple English language, shouldn't he keep his mouth shut!?

At least, you have the interlinear translation attached for your guidance!

Thanks

Hahahaha potential thief ooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😝😝😝😝😝😝

LegalWolf:


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But he wouldn't keep his mouth shut like a donkey to the slaughter!

SMH!

LegalWolf:


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Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Islam had been vocal about people worshipping one God and I fact, the greatest sin in Islam Shirk is associating partners with God.

However,
In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.
Paraphrased, Allah is reporting that the Jews and Christians have taken their Rabbis and Monks as Lord INSTEAD of Allah AND the Messiah


Note:
Let's discuss what the Qur'an truly says rather than what we feel the Qur'an is saying.

Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?



Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood

TenQ:
You probably don't know that Islam depend not only on the Qur'an but volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions.

I'd say that Islam depends on one using one's own brain and mind as opposed to relying on "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions" that might suggest some Allah sat down with a pen and wrote the Qur'an. But then, we might be considering Muslims at different levels of Islam because the Muslims I know would tell you the Quran was, at best, verbally revealed from God through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad who [got people to] wrote it down, while many are studying the ingenuity involved if Muhammad wrote it himself and unaided, with his own mind and with his own brain.

They might be the evolved Muslims I guess, and not that stuck in "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions" of Islam.

TenQ:


Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Cc:
LegalWolf advocatejare FxMasterz

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TenQ:

Note:
Let's discuss what the Qur'an truly says rather than what we feel the Qur'an is saying.

Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?

2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?

No. Allah is not associating partners with him, and nor is it an error. You after all do not claim Allah is associating partnership with any other person written about in the Qur'an, nor would most even claim that "lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muhammadun rasūlu-llāh" is associating muhammadun with Allah, so why make up an "associating" with the Messiah?

"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", is it written in 31, which some would go as far as a warning not to place other teachings above Allah's as written by Muhammad.

"Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers", it is written in 30, so especially not even "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions", though they must be read to broaden the mind and thinking.

TenQ:
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?

I doubt it. Not even the Christian God "truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him", and Islam does not even want to make Muhammad Lord with Lord Allah. But if you understand different, that Lord Allah wants to elevate the Messiah above Muhammed, I'm interested. Though bear in mind an outsider to be claiming higher hierarchy than a Son might be odd.

budaatum:


I'd say that Islam depends on one using one's own brain and mind as opposed to relying on "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions" that might suggest some Allah sat down with a pen and wrote the Qur'an. But then, we might be considering Muslims at different levels of Islam because the Muslims I know would tell you the Quran was, at best, verbally revealed from God through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad who [got people to] wrote it down, while many are studying the ingenuity involved if Muhammad wrote it himself and unaided, with his own mind and with his own brain.

They might be the evolved Muslims I guess, and not that stuck in "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions" of Islam.

Islam can only be defined and determined by Muslims for Muslims. We can only scrutinize their rules, beliefs, traditions and customs.

The Muslims understand my question very well. Most won't talk because it is embarrassing that Allah could make mistakes or be imprecise with words.

The scripture I've used contradicts the basic tenets of Islam and Muslims struggle to normalize the meaning

budaatum:


No. Allah is not associating partners with him, and nor is it an error. You after all do not claim Allah is associating partnership with any other person written about in the Qur'an, nor would most even claim that "lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muhammadun rasūlu-llāh" is associating muhammadun with Allah, so why make up an "associating" with the Messiah?

"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", is it written in 31, which some would go as far as a warning not to place other teachings above Allah's as written by Muhammad.

"Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers", it is written in 30, so especially not even "volumes of Hadiths, the Tafsirs and Traditions", though they must be read to broaden the mind and thinking.

Buda,
I truly laugh at you!
Why?
You don't know anything about Islamic Taqqiya. It is righteousness for a Muslim to use every form of deception as long as Islam is promoted.

The scripture I've highlighted for you is a deception sir. A play of words because you are not familiar with Arabic therefore you TRUST their translation. LOL!

Check out the INTERLINEAR translation and it says quite the opposite. I've attached it to this post: Tell me the difference!

budaatum:

I doubt it. Not even the Christian God "truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him", and Islam does not even want to make Muhammad Lord with Lord Allah. But if you understand different, that Lord Allah wants to elevate the Messiah above Muhammed, I'm interested. Though bear in mind an outsider to be claiming higher hierarchy than a Son might be odd.

Like I said, Check the INTERLINEAR translation and tell me that YOUR adopted translation mean exactly the same thing.

The INTERLINEAR says

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

Please check

This is different from the verse you quoted.


Thus, my Question:
Is this verse a MISTAKE from Allah?

LegalWolf,
You should be ashamed that Buda a non-Muslim is fearlessly defending your religion but all you can do is to Brey like a donkey!

SMH!!

TenQ:

Islam can only be defined and determined by Muslims for Muslims.

TenQ, are you a Muslim? Is this the Nairaland Islamic section?

Please know that anyone can read a book of a religion and understand it by themselves instead of allowing the religion to be defined to them by those who might not have read the book or just don't understand the book they read.

budaatum:


TenQ, are you a Muslim? Is this the Nairaland Islamic section?

Please know that anyone can read a book of a religion and understand it by themselves instead of allowing the religion to be defined to them by those who might not have read the book or just don't understand the book they read.

I am think you get me wrong;

What I am saying is that :
Muslims through their literatures, beliefs and traditions set their religion.

The rest of us can only pick holes /inconsistencies in their literatures, beliefs and traditions

I cannot set any standard of beliefs for Muslims as I am not one. The best I can do is to critique their presentations and religious claims

Do these two translations of the Qur'an mean the same thing?

1. Budaatum , do you think these two translations mean exactly the same thing?

FROM TENQ
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


FROM BUDAATUM
Qur'an 9:32
"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", .....


2. Which of the two translations is closer to the Interlinear Qur'an translation?

Cc: LegalWolf
Can you see Islamic Taqqiya even in Qur'an translations!?

TenQ:
Do these two translations of the Qur'an mean the same thing?

1. Budaa.tum , do you think these two translations mean exactly the same thing?

FROM TENQ
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


FROM BUDAA.TUM
Qur'an 9:32
"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", .....


2. Which of the two translations is closer to the Interlinear Qur'an translation?

Cc: advocatejare and FxMasterz

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TenQ:
LegalWolf,
You should be ashamed that Buda a non-Muslim is fearlessly defending your religion but all you can do is to Brey like a donkey!

SMH!!

Hahahaha future thief oo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hey future thief TenQ

I have a question for you about Jesus (pbuh) and yhwh. I understand yhwh is in the process of being misgendered by the Diocese at Canterbury to It/They. So hope you don’t mind if I refer IT as IT/They (I’m only following your Christian brothers, so don’t take it out on me 😝)?

Should I go ahead with my questions ?

Cc: future thief TenQ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

LegalWolf:


Potential thief ooooo 🤣🤣🤣😝😝🤣🤣🤣

Simple Question

Do these two translations of the Qur'an mean the same thing?

1. Budaatum , do you think these two translations mean exactly the same thing?

FROM TENQ
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


FROM BUDAATUM
Qur'an 9:32
"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", .....


2. Which of the two translations is closer to the Interlinear Qur'an translation?

Cc: LegalWolf
Can you see Islamic Taqqiya even in Qur'an translations!?

LegalWolf:


Hahahaha future thief oo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dear Mr LegalWolf,
You should be ashamed that Buda a non-Muslim is fearlessly defending your religion but all you can do is to Brey like a donkey!

SMH!!

LegalWolf:
Hey future thief TenQ

I have a question for you about Jesus (pbuh) and yhwh. I understand yhwh is in the process of being misgendered by the Diocese at Canterbury to It/They. So hope you don’t mind if I refer IT as IT/They (I’m only following your Christian brothers, so don’t take it out on me 😝)?

Should I go ahead with my questions ?

Cc: future thief TenQ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Such a Donkey!

LegalWolf:


Hahahaha LegalWolf oo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Islam had been vocal people worshipping one God and I fact, the greatest sin in Islam Shirk is associating partners with God.

However,
In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.
Paraphrased, Allah is reporting that the Jews and Christians have taken their Rabbis and Monks as Lord INSTEAD of Allah AND the Messiah


Note:
Let's discuss what the Qur'an truly says rather than what we feel the Qur'an is saying.

Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?

TenQ:


Simple Question

Do these two translations of the Qur'an mean the same thing?

1. Budaa.tum , do you think these two translations mean exactly the same thing?

FROM TENQ
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


FROM BUDAA.TUM
Qur'an 9:32
"They have taken their [cooler=red]rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah,[/color] son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", .....


2. Which of the two translations is closer to the Interlinear Qur'an translation?

Cc: advocatejare FxMasterz !

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TenQ:


Dear Mr LegalWolf,
You should be ashamed that Buda a non-Muslim is fearlessly defending your religion but all you can do is to Brey like a donkey!

SMH!!

Potential thief ooooo 🤣🤣🤣😝😝🤣🤣🤣

TenQ:

Such a Donkey!

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LegalWolf:


Potential thief ooooo 🤣🤣🤣😝😝🤣🤣🤣

Why do you Muslims LIE so much?
It's like LIEs is in your DNA!

You will even tell lies in translating your Qur'an. Who are you deceiving!

You DECEIVE YOURSELVES just as you DECEIVE OTHERS! Allah is indeed the best Deceiver!



Simple Question

Do these two translations of the Qur'an mean the same thing?

1. LegalWolf , do you think these two translations mean exactly the same thing?

FROM TENQ
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


FROM BUDAATUM
Qur'an 9:32
"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God", .....


2. Which of the two translations is closer to the Interlinear Qur'an translation?

LegalWolf, Can you see Islamic Taqqiya even in Qur'an translations!?

LegalWolf, Lukuluku69 and AntiChristian,


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.


Who are those mistranslating the Qur'an?
Christians or Muslim Scholars?

Even BUDAATUM now know that it is difficult being the Devil's Advocate!