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Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:26am On May 24, 2023
Fortune telling
Summary of Answer
It is forbidden to engage in fortune telling and witchcraft. One who visits a fortuneteller and believes whatever s/he says of the unseen has committed major disbelief and is no more a Muslim. It is either you are a Muslim with total reliance on Allah or you are a non-Muslim! You can't do both!

Hadith 1
It was narrated in a saheeh (authentic) report that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever goes to a fortune-teller and asks him about something, his prayer will not be accepted for forty days.” [Muslim].

Hadith 2
And it was narrated by the authors of al-Sunan and by al-Hakim, who classed it as saheeh, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever goes to a soothsayer and believes what he says has disbelieved in that which was revealed to Muhammad.”

But not everyone who goes to a fortuneteller or a soothsayer is a mushrik in the sense of major shirk that puts one beyond the pale of Islam. Rather going to a fortuneteller or soothsayer falls into different categories. It may be major shirk, or it may be a sin, or it may be permissible.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:
Those who go to fortunetellers fall into three categories:
1 – The one who goes to a fortuneteller and asks him things without believing in what he says. This is haraam, and the punishment of the one who does that is that his prayers are not accepted for forty days, as it is narrated in Saheeh Muslim (2230), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever goes to a fortuneteller and asks him about something, his prayer will not be accepted for forty days.”

2 – When a person goes to a fortuneteller and asks him about something and believes what he says. This is disbelief in Allaah (kufr), because he is believing the fortuneteller’s claim to have knowledge of the unseen, and believing a human’s being claim to have knowledge of the unseen constitutes disbelief in the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghayb (Unseen) except Allaah”
[al-Naml 27:65].

Hence it says in the saheeh hadeeth: “Whoever goes to a fortuneteller and believes what he says has disbelieved in that which was revealed to Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).”

3 – When he goes to a fortuneteller and asks him questions so that he can explain to the people what he is really doing, which is deceiving people and leading them astray. There is nothing wrong with this. The evidence for that is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went to Ibn Sayyaad. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) though of something to himself. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked him what he was thinking of and he said, “Al-dukh” meaning al-dukhaan (smoke). End quote.

Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 2/184

Based on this, whoever goes to a fortuneteller or soothsayer and believes what he says and believes that he has knowledge of the unseen has committed major kufr which puts him beyond the pale of Islam. But if he does not believe what he says then he has not committed kufr.
Originally posted @https://www.nairaland.com/4336526/fortune-telling-islam-how-repent

Witchcraft or Magic
Witchcraft or magic is knowledge that comes from the shayateen and is something that they do. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They followed what the Shayaateen (devils) gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Sulaymaan. Sulaymaan did not disbelieve, but the Shayaateen (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic [al-Baqarah 2:102]

“And they learn that which harms them and profits them not. And indeed they knew that the buyers of it (magic) would have no share in the Hereafter” [al-Baqarah 2:102]

“and the magician will never be successful, to whatever amount (of skill) he may attain” [Ta-Ha 20:69]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Avoid the seven sins which doom a person to Hell.” They asked, “What are they?” He said, “Associating anything in worship with Allaah (shirk); witchcraft;…”

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He is not one of us who practices witchcraft or has it done for him.”

On this basis, it is not permissible to use witchcraft for any purpose whatsoever. Witchcraft or magic is falsehood, and all kinds of falsehood are kufr and evildoing. Sin cannot be a means of achieving something good. Beneficial things have to be sought through the prescribed means which involve no sin and whose consequences are safe. Allaah has given His slaves sufficient means in the things that He has permitted them, so they have no need for the things that He has forbidden. To Him be praise and thanks for His blessings.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/10173/is-it-permissible-to-use-witchcraft-to-achieve-a-good-purpose

So when next you see an acclaimed "Muslim cleric" doing the deeds of ritualists/dibia/babalawo like fortune telling, witchcraft, etc, do address them by what they are! It doesn't matter whether they pray five times daily like Muslims do or fast during the month of Ramadan!

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Redoil: 12:21pm On May 24, 2023
MOST OF YOUR ALFA PRACTISE SUCH TO THE FULLEST. I WILL SUGGEST YOU PREACH TO THEM

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by AntiChristian: 3:21pm On May 24, 2023
Redoil:
MOST OF YOUR ALFA PRACTISE SUCH TO THE FULLEST. I WILL SUGGEST YOU PREACH TO THEM

Na who do the head count?

Can you give us the facts, figures and geographical spread?

You can see that they are not Muslims from the OP.

They are simply ritualist or babalawo!

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by AntiChristian: 3:22pm On May 24, 2023
Rashduct4luv:
Fortune telling
Summary of Answer
It is forbidden to engage in fortune telling and witchcraft. One who visits a fortuneteller and believes whatever s/he says of the unseen has committed major disbelief and is no more a Muslim. It is either you are a Muslim with total reliance on Allah or you are a non-Muslim! You can't do both!
Witchcraft or Magic
So when next you see an acclaimed "Muslim cleric" doing the deeds of ritualists/dibia/babalawo like fortune telling, witchcraft, etc, do address them by what they are! It doesn't matter whether they pray five times daily like Muslims do or fast during the month of Ramadan!

On Point!
All those you see:
*burning stuffs like animals or human parts, etc,
*taking alcohol with drugs
*claiming to have the knowledge of the unseen
*working with yahoo yahoo guys (soaking their SIMs in spiritual medicine, giving them spiritual soap or "command and do", etc)
*giving people spiritual stuffs to get rich
*giving people "Nakali" incantation wherein Angels, humans, Jinns, apart from Allah are being called upon to help them!

are Dibia/Babalawo/Ritualist!

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by ANTISLAM: 12:28pm On May 25, 2023
You can be a Muslim and still engage in babalawo's tinz

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by AntiChristian: 7:39am On May 26, 2023
ANTISLAM:
You can be a Christian and still engage in babalawo's tinz

You're a Christian!

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by ANTISLAM: 8:02am On May 26, 2023
AntiChristian:


You're a Christian!

Why not edit the original post mufu?

ANTISLAM:
You can be a Muslim and still engage in babalawo's tinz

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by SHINJACRUSADER: 11:33am On May 26, 2023
In Islam is allowed....

Only Christians don't practice such...

Many Alfa's in southwest do engage in ritual...

Anyway God bless the good people of Southsouth and Southwest...

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by zinaunreal(m): 11:39am On May 26, 2023
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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by KAjAsG: 11:42am On May 26, 2023
Jazakallahu khayran

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Occurstaem(m): 11:42am On May 26, 2023
Outright big NO.
ISLAM and anything that exceed reliance on ALLAH cannot be in the same context.

Anyone practising fortune telling or visiting them, is a big DISBELIEVER IN ALLAH.


HasbunAllah wani'malwakeel

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Billionaire2: 11:46am On May 26, 2023
I think fortune telling is a supernatural gift. There are people who are gifted with clairvoyant ability.
Witchcraft on the other hand is a practice.
So as a Muslim if you have the
supernatural ability of fortune telling ✅
But to practice witchcraft ❌

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Pat081: 11:47am On May 26, 2023
Redoil:
MOST OF YOUR ALFA PRACTISE SUCH TO THE FULLEST. I WILL SUGGEST YOU PREACH TO THEM
What of those C & S Church Pastor that do it too Not only Alfa do it
Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by AntiChristian: 12:00pm On May 26, 2023
Redoil:
MOST OF YOUR ALFA PRACTISE SUCH TO THE FULLEST. I WILL SUGGEST YOU PREACH TO THEM

We are preaching to ourselves that's why the post was in the Islamic section first!
Fortune telling was rife from Christians during the last election! And lots were plain lies!
SHINJACRUSADER:
In Islam is allowed....

Only Christians don't practice such...

Many Alfa's in southwest do engage in ritual...

Anyway God bless the good people of Southsouth and Southwest...


The post says they are not Alfas!
They are ritualists!

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by AntiChristian: 12:02pm On May 26, 2023
Billionaire2:
I think fortune telling is a supernatural gift. There are people who are gifted with clairvoyant ability.
Witchcraft on the other hand is a practice.
So as a Muslim if you have the
supernatural ability of fortune telling ✅
But to practice witchcraft ❌

Fortune telling and Witchcraft are deeds that throw people out of Islam!

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by doctorbabs(m): 12:05pm On May 26, 2023
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THOSE ALFA THAT ARE INVOLVED IN FORTUNE TELLING ARE NOT MUSLIM BUT BABALAWO AND I AGREED CHRISTIAN DON'T DO IT BUT THEY PATRONIZE THOSE ALFA SECRETLY


quote author=SHINJACRUSADER post=123377695]In Islam is allowed....

Only Christians don't practice such...

Many Alfa's in southwest do engage in ritual...

Anyway God bless the good people of Southsouth and Southwest...

[/quote]

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Billionaire2: 12:11pm On May 26, 2023
AntiChristian:


Fortune telling and Witchcraft are deeds that throw people out of Islam!

You have to understand the two and be able to separate them.
Witchcraft is the act of sorcery
Fortune telling is an art / gift of prophecy by supernatural means
Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Haines: 12:12pm On May 26, 2023
Redoil:
MOST OF YOUR ALFA PRACTISE SUCH TO THE FULLEST. I WILL SUGGEST YOU PREACH TO THEM
Anyone practice those above-mentioned is no long a Muslim. But if they repent and correct themselves Allah all Forgiving most Merciful

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Ashirioluwa: 12:13pm On May 26, 2023
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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by chillychill(f): 12:17pm On May 26, 2023
angry


Aluhumma inna na'auudhu bika min an nushrika bika shay-ha na'alamuhu, wa nastrag-fituka limaa la na'lamuhu.


O Allah! We seek refuge in you from associating something that we do not know,we ask for forgiveness for what we know not

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by AntiChristian: 12:20pm On May 26, 2023
Billionaire2:


You have to understand the two and be able to separate them.
Witchcraft is the act of sorcery
Fortune telling is an art / gift of prophecy by supernatural means

Fortune telling is disbelief in Islam!

Only Allah knows the unseen!

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Billionaire2: 12:28pm On May 26, 2023
AntiChristian:


Fortune telling is disbelief in Islam!

Only Allah knows the unseen!


You’re right
maybe I’m mistaking ru'ya (prophecy/vision) for fortune telling …

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Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by Occurstaem(m): 1:47pm On May 26, 2023
The dude above me spreading misguidance.
Despite the evidences the OP laid bare for all to see that fortune telling, sorcery, witchcraft and the likes, are major sins and whoever engages in such or patronize such and believes in it, is a DISBELIEVER, a big time KAAFIR.

Know that if people were led aright to guidance from you, you shall have a full reward with God of the good you spread.
And if people were led astray to misguidance from you, you shall have full recompense from God of the evils you helped to perpetuate.
Re: Can One Be A Muslim And Still Engage In Fortune Telling Or Witchcraft? by chaloskyx: 2:15pm On May 26, 2023
no but you can be a babalawo

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