I prefer dake's annotated reference Bible. It is loaded. God bless you. God2man.

God2man:

I prefer dake's annotated reference Bible. It is loaded. God bless you. God2man.

You have to be careful not to swallow some of the heresies in its commentary.

OLAADEGBU:

This is the story behind the attack of the authorised version of the Bible

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp

"authorized" by who?

OLAADEGBU:

You have to be careful not to swallow some of the heresies in its commentary.

My brother, were you reading my mind ? I was just about to mention exactly the same , that Christians should proceed with caution when using Dakes bible or not use it all !!!

Need i say more.

italo:

"authorized" by who?

Definitely not by your pontifs.

frosbel:


My brother, were you reading my mind ? I was just about to mention exactly the same , that Christians should proceed with caution when using Dakes bible or not use it all !!!

Need i say more.

That is true my yokefellow, mature believers should tread cautiously to eat the fish leaving the dangerous bones. Both the Scofield and Newberry Reference Bibles are others to watchout for so that they don't make shipwrecks of their faiths.

OLAADEGBU:

Definitely not by your pontifs.

so "authorized" by who? or do you not know who?

if you do, just say. if you dont, then why do you call it "authorized"

italo:

so "authorized" by who? or do you not know who?

if you do, just say. if you dont, then why do you call it "authorized"

Did you not get the answer from the link suggested? Here is it again, let's see whether you can figure it out.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp

So by what authority did King James "authorize" his 'bible'?

By Divine authority of his own self-proclaimed human authority?

italo:

So by what authority did King James "authorize" his 'bible'?

By Divine authority of his own self-proclaimed human authority?

Your answer is in this videoclip where you will see that the authorised version is a result of God's answer to William Tyndale's prayer while he was being burnt at the stake by your people for translating the word of God into the English language. His prayer was that the Lord open the eyes of the king of England. See how God swiftly answered that prayer.

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@OP

King James version

OLAADEGBU:

Your answer is in this videoclip where you will see that the authorised version is a result of God's answer to William Tyndale's prayer while he was being burnt at the stake by your people for translating the word of God into the English language. His prayer was that the Lord open the eyes of the king of England. See how God swiftly answered that prayer.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9X_NeFacdI?version=3&hl=en_GB[/flash]

sorry, but there's nothing in the video that proves that either tyndale or king james had divine authority to translate the bible.

and i am yet to find proof that the catholic church killed tyndale.

so if i pray that jonathan's eyes should be opened and he translates the bible into pidgin, does that mean he has divine authority to translate the bible?

I PERSONALLY PREFER TO READ KJV BECAUSE IT'S EASY FOR ME TO MEMORISE AND IT'S KIND OF POETIC GIVING IT A 'POWER' EFFECT

THE MESSAGE IS A TRANSLATION I REALLY LIKE BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY THOROUGHLY DONE, THE CONTEXT ET AL BUT WILL ADVISE MOST PEOPLE NOT TO READ ALONE; TRY READING IT IN PARALLEL WITH ANOTHER TRANSLATION

OLAADEGBU:

You have to be careful not to swallow some of the heresies in its commentary.

REALLY!!! I HAVE NEVER USED IT BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HOLD IT WITH HIGH LEVEL OF REGARD

italo:

sorry, but there's nothing in the video that proves that either tyndale or king james had divine authority to translate the bible.

Did you watch it up to part 3? What King James did was to approve of the translation of the Bible into English Language which your pope disapproved as he will not have people have the word of God as their final authority over his. So it is the authority of the Bible vs the authority of the pope. Who do you think has the final authority in your life and actions?

italo:

and i am yet to find proof that the catholic church killed tyndale.

If you watched the 3 parts of the videolink suggested and read about the attack on the word of God in the link suggested earlier you will have an idea who the Jesuits really are and who they work for.

italo:

so if i pray that jonathan's eyes should be opened and he translates the bible into pidgin, does that mean he has divine authority to translate the bible?

Like the video shows, anyone who dared translate 'Latin Bible' into the common language without the pope's approval was executed. Tyndale's prayer was answered and as a result of this everyone can now read and understand the word of God because of the KJV and God still has the final authority to those who believe and receive the Word of God over human tradition or ideologies. The just shall live by faith.

Knight1:

I PERSONALLY PREFER TO READ KJV BECAUSE IT'S EASY FOR ME TO MEMORISE AND IT'S KIND OF POETIC GIVING IT A 'POWER' EFFECT

That's one of the many good points for the authorised version.

Knight1:

THE MESSAGE IS A TRANSLATION I REALLY LIKE BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY THOROUGHLY DONE, THE CONTEXT ET AL BUT WILL ADVISE MOST PEOPLE NOT TO READ ALONE; TRY READING IT IN PARALLEL WITH ANOTHER TRANSLATION

Reading them may be interesting but it is better to let God speak to you from the authorised version instead of reading the interpretation of others.

Knight1:

REALLY!!! I HAVE NEVER USED IT BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HOLD IT WITH HIGH LEVEL OF REGARD

 
The Dake's anotated reference Bible is the authorised version.  The commentaries are also good but they are tainted with a little poison which many great men of God have swallowed hook, line and sinker and have made a shipwreck of their faiths.

Reading them may be interesting but it is better to let God speak to you from the authorised version instead of reading the interpretation of others.

i strongly disagree with the the above.
1. GOd is not restrained by the 'non-authorised' versions
2. comprehending the words of kjv is not so easy for others as it is for you. e.g evil concupiscence in kjv; some will just read on and not bother to get the meaning
3. the contemporary translations e.g NIV, NLT were not done using the KJV, they EQUALLY reverted to the Aramaic and Greek manuscripts from which the KJV was translated
4. these new versions have existed for some years now, for all intents and purposes, i haven't seen any one who has claimed that they have any error, both in text and meaning; as a matter of fact, it is the (old) KJV that was said to have contained some slight errors (check the preface of RSV bible) which is possible because our enlightenment grows day by day .even the so Radical The MEssage puts forward to all extents possible the accurate meaning of the words that were written in Scripture.

therefore, i do not believe it is 'better for God' or 'better for me' to read KJV especially if i am a person that doesn't really grasp old english.
AS i said earlier, i personally prefer it but will not tell anyone that it is the best translation they can get, cos it might just not be the best for them!!!

btw look at it this way, if the english that we speak today was what was spoken in those days of king james, the 'AUTHORISED' KJV will probably be the exact same as the version we all know as NIV!

@Knight1,

Don't get me wrong. You can use Bible helps and some of these translations so as to get a better understanding of the old words but you don't have to rely on these for the reasons shown in the link below. Many of these new versions make people to doubt the word of God instead of believing it.

Click on the suggested link and get a brief historical background as to how we arrived at our different versions and this will explain to you why I said that the authorised version is the closest thing we've got to the original manuscript.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp

Does your version of the Bible call Jesus a sinner?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56D0lvZzEf8&hl=en_GB&feature=player_embedded&version=3[/flash]

ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι πᾶς ὁ ὀργιζόμενος τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ ἕνοχος ἐσται τῇ κρίσει· ὃς δ’ ἂν εἶπῃ τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ ῥακά, ἕνοχος ἐσται τῷ συνεδρίῳ ὃς δ’ ἂν εἶπῃ μωρέ, ἕνοχος ἐσται εἰς τὴν γέενναν τοῦ πυρός.

Greek Transliteration Strong's Morphology English
ἐγὼ egō 1473 P-1NS I
δὲ de 1161 CONJ but
λέγω legō 3004 V-PAI-1S say
ὑμῖν umin 5213 P-2DP to you
ὅτι oti 3754 CONJ That
πᾶς pas 3956 A-NSM everyone
ὁ o 3588 T-NSM
ὀργιζόμενος orgizomenos 3710 V-PPP-NSM who is angry
τῷ tō 3588 T-DSM at
ἀδελφῷ adelphō 80 N-DSM brother
αὐτοῦ autou 846 P-GSM of him
ἕνοχος enochos 1777 A-NSM guilty
ἐσται estai 2071 V-FXI-3S will be
τῇ tē 3588 T-DSF to
κρίσει krisei 2920 N-DSF court
ὃς os 3739 R-NSM whoever
δ’ d 1161 CONJ and
ἂν an 302 PRT ever
εἶπῃ eipē 2036 V-2AAS-3S say
τῷ tō 3588 T-DSM to
ἀδελφῷ adelphō 80 N-DSM brother
αὐτοῦ autou 846 P-GSM of him
ῥακά raka 4469 ARAM good-for-nothing
ἕνοχος enochos 1777 A-NSM guilty
ἐσται estai 2071 V-FXI-3S will be
τῷ tō 3588 T-DSN to the
συνεδρίῳ sunedriō 4892 N-DSN council
ὃς os 3739 R-NSM whoever
δ’ d 1161 CONJ and
ἂν an 302 PRT ever
εἶπῃ eipē 2036 V-2AAS-3S say
μωρέ mōre 3474 A-VSM fool
ἕνοχος enochos 1777 A-NSM guilty
ἐσται estai 2071 V-FXI-3S will be
εἰς eis 1519 PREP of
τὴν tēn 3588 T-ASF the
γέενναν geennan 1067 N-ASF hell
τοῦ tou 3588 T-GSN of the
πυρός puros 4442 N-GSN fiery

Please, above is the original greek text and a word for word translation. I do not see 'without a cause' in there. 'Without a cause' was added by King James precisely because he had issues with the implication as the guy above does.

Don't castigate people for trying to translate the bible accurately just because you don't like what you read.

I read with seeming interest about all submissions
1. I do read the KJV sometimes parallel with RSV
2. The translations of the Bible have not watered down the message
3. I'm really sorry to say this 'NAIRALAND' have produced or rather exposes PHUUULS (no pun intended) rather than thinkers. I believe that u contribute meaningfully not DERAILING.
4. About Dake reference, I'd say that I personally detected some 'nuclear bombs' planted. That's why a spirit-filled person can neva be affected.

Pastor AIO:

ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι πᾶς ὁ ὀργιζόμενος τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ ἕνοχος ἐσται τῇ κρίσει· ὃς δ’ ἂν εἶπῃ τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ ῥακά, ἕνοχος ἐσται τῷ συνεδρίῳ ὃς δ’ ἂν εἶπῃ μωρέ, ἕνοχος ἐσται εἰς τὴν γέενναν τοῦ πυρός.

Greek Transliteration Strong's Morphology English
ἐγὼ egō 1473 P-1NS I
δὲ de 1161 CONJ but
λέγω legō 3004 V-PAI-1S say
ὑμῖν umin 5213 P-2DP to you
ὅτι oti 3754 CONJ That
πᾶς pas 3956 A-NSM everyone
ὁ o 3588 T-NSM
ὀργιζόμενος orgizomenos 3710 V-PPP-NSM who is angry
τῷ tō 3588 T-DSM at
ἀδελφῷ adelphō 80 N-DSM brother
αὐτοῦ autou 846 P-GSM of him
ἕνοχος enochos 1777 A-NSM guilty
ἐσται estai 2071 V-FXI-3S will be
τῇ tē 3588 T-DSF to
κρίσει krisei 2920 N-DSF court
ὃς os 3739 R-NSM whoever
δ’ d 1161 CONJ and
ἂν an 302 PRT ever
εἶπῃ eipē 2036 V-2AAS-3S say
τῷ tō 3588 T-DSM to
ἀδελφῷ adelphō 80 N-DSM brother
αὐτοῦ autou 846 P-GSM of him
ῥακά raka 4469 ARAM good-for-nothing
ἕνοχος enochos 1777 A-NSM guilty
ἐσται estai 2071 V-FXI-3S will be
τῷ tō 3588 T-DSN to the
συνεδρίῳ sunedriō 4892 N-DSN council
ὃς os 3739 R-NSM whoever
δ’ d 1161 CONJ and
ἂν an 302 PRT ever
εἶπῃ eipē 2036 V-2AAS-3S say
μωρέ mōre 3474 A-VSM fool
ἕνοχος enochos 1777 A-NSM guilty
ἐσται estai 2071 V-FXI-3S will be
εἰς eis 1519 PREP of
τὴν tēn 3588 T-ASF the
γέενναν geennan 1067 N-ASF hell
τοῦ tou 3588 T-GSN of the
πυρός puros 4442 N-GSN fiery

Please, above is the original greek text and a word for word translation. I do not see 'without a cause' in there. 'Without a cause' was added by King James precisely because he had issues with the implication as the guy above does.

Don't castigate people for trying to translate the bible accurately just because you don't like what you read.

What manuscript did you use for your translation? Was it 'Textus Receptus' or the Alexandrian manuscript?

OLAADEGBU:

What manuscript did you use for your translation? Was it 'Textus Receptus' or the Alexandrian manuscript?

Why don't you just produce the manuscript that has 'without just cause'?

Pastor AIO:

Why don't you just produce the manuscript that has 'without just cause'?

Are you afraid of telling us what manuscript you used?

I read NKJV and Good News Bible because of the clarity of the language used.

I love KJV for its beautiful rhythm!It flows beautifully and it has 'Power'.It makes for easy memorization.I guess I am old school!Please,can we stop insulting each other and state our opinions without being rude,please?thanx

so if i pray that jonathan's eyes should be opened and he translates the bible into pidgin, does that mean he has divine authority to translate the bible?

And yes, the Pope has the final authority over the Bible because the Pope is the head of the Church and the Bible says the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. It was the Church that brought about the Bible by the divine authority as the successors of the apostles. King james had no authority to touch the word of God. Its only one with authoritty that can authorize anything.

Only an insane person will say that Thomas Edison who invented the electric bulb didn't want people to use it

Or that the Catholic Church that brought about the Bible doesn't want the world to read the Bible.

Did Jesus institute the Bible or the Church?

Pastor AIO:

ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι πᾶς ὁ ὀργιζόμενος τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ ἕνοχος ἐσται τῇ κρίσει· ὃς δ’ ἂν εἶπῃ τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ ῥακά, ἕνοχος ἐσται τῷ συνεδρίῳ ὃς δ’ ἂν εἶπῃ μωρέ, ἕνοχος ἐσται εἰς τὴν γέενναν τοῦ πυρός.

 
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εγω δε λεγω υμιν οτι πας ο οργιζομενος τω αδελφω αυτου εικη ενοχος εσται τη κρισει ος δ αν ειπη τω αδελφω αυτου ρακα ενοχος εσται τω συνεδριω ος δ αν ειπη μωρε ενοχος εσται εις την γεενναν του πυρος  

What a difference a word makes. The Greek text you posted above is missing the word [size=16pt]εἰκῆ[/size].

Pastor AIO:

Don't castigate people for trying to translate the bible accurately just because you don't like what you read.  

^Err. . .I think those being castigated are those who translate the bible inaccurately; a charge that is easily proven by examining the source manuscripts.

italo:

so if i pray that jonathan's eyes should be opened and he translates the bible into pidgin, does that mean he has divine authority to translate the bible?

And yes, the Pope has the final authority over the Bible because the Pope is the head of the Church[s][/s] and the Bible says the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. It was the Church that brought about the Bible by the divine authority as the successors of the apostles. King james had no authority to touch the word of God. Its only one with authoritty that can authorize anything.

Only an insane person will say that Thomas Edison who invented the electric bulb didn't want people to use it

Or that the Catholic Church that brought about the Bible doesn't want the world to read the Bible.

Did Jesus institute the Bible or the Church?

You are so so so so so so misdirected. the church has one HEAD. the name of that HEAD is JESUS. the HEAD of the church doesn't change after every few years. the church is not an institution made by men!!!

@OLAD
that video is what i'll term as extremist. why? being liable to judgement is not a pronouncation of guilt!!! it means what you have done will be subject to scrutiny and if found wanting, you will be served the penalty. with due respect, it is the same thinking line as those who say 'judge not' without reading what the next part says
for in the way you judge, you also shall be judged. JUDGEMENT is not a pronouncement of guilt. if i say God will judge you, does that mean he will punish you? NO! unless what you have done is worthy of punishment.
What Jesus says in that passage is a caution against anger which cuts across all other translations!

aletheia:


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εγω δε λεγω υμιν οτι πας ο οργιζομενος τω αδελφω αυτου εικη ενοχος εσται τη κρισει ος δ αν ειπη τω αδελφω αυτου ρακα ενοχος εσται τω συνεδριω ος δ αν ειπη μωρε ενοχος εσται εις την γεενναν του πυρος

What a difference a word makes. The Greek text you posted above is missing the word [size=16pt]εἰκῆ[/size].

^Err. . .I think those being castigated are those who translate the bible inaccurately; a charge that is easily proven by examining the source manuscripts.

Thanks for this exposure my fellowsoldier in Christ. Alhaji-paistor-oluwo, where art thou?

Knight1:

@OLAD
that video is what i'll term as extremist. why? being liable to judgement is not a pronouncation of guilt!!! it means what you have done will be subject to scrutiny and if found wanting, you will be served the penalty. with due respect, it is the same thinking line as those who say 'judge not' without reading what the next part says
for in the way you judge, you also shall be judged. JUDGEMENT is not a pronouncement of guilt. if i say God will judge you, does that mean he will punish you? NO! unless what you have done is worthy of punishment.
What Jesus says in that passage is a caution against anger which cuts across all other translations!

There is no amount of hermeneutics that can justify the subtraction of the Word of God. This is the war satan has been waging on the word of God since the 'old serpent' asked Eve, "has God said?" Whenever you've got the time watch the untold story of how we came about the Bible in the film below:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNZ-sOzXWEk?version=3&hl=en_GB[/flash]

OLAADEGBU:

Does your version of the Bible call Jesus a sinner?

[flash=500,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56D0lvZzEf8&hl=en_GB&feature=player_embedded&version=3[/flash]

Not sure I agree with what this guy is saying in its entirety.

My main bibles are Kings James . However I also have the NIV and NLT for the purpose of breaking down the archaic English mainly for those who find the Kings James bible too difficult to understand.

Some people I know especially children , find it difficult to  comprehend the KJV bible. So in my opinion forcing them to read the bible in Shakespearean English is legalism.

Just my own perception.

Besides the NIV bible never called Jesus a sinner, these bibles were translated straight from the original manuscripts.

We can easily deduce what Jesus meant when he said if you are angry with a brother or sister.

frosbel:


Not sure I agree with what this guy is saying in its entirety.

My main bibles are Kings James . However I also have the NIV and NLT for the purpose of breaking down the archaic English mainly for those who find the Kings James bible too difficult to understand.

It is good to use them as Bible helps just as you have done when studying.

frosbel:

Some people I know especially children , find it difficult to comprehend the KJV bible. So in my opinion forcing them to read the bible in Shakespearean English is legalism.

Just my own perception.

No one should force anything on anyone. These translations are how the translators best understand them.

frosbel:

Besides the NIV bible never called Jesus a sinner, these bibles were translated straight from the original manuscripts.

Really? Can you tell me what you consider to be the original manuscripts? Is it the Alexandrian or Textus Receptus manuscripts?

frosbel:

We can easily deduce what Jesus meant when he said if you are angry with a brother or sister.

Did you see aletheia's response to Alhaji-paistor-oluwo's claim?