Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism, Judaism etc. Its all bullshit of extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence but if it brings people comfort then whats the problem? The problem only comes in when it starts being used to trample on other peoples rights nor should religious doctrine be taught in public schools, thats when we Atheists start having a problem with it.

PoliteActivist:


Watch this short. If it doesn't convince you nothing will

56 seconds
https://youtube.com/shorts/BCm0LSHBLUI?feature=share3

He’s lucky I wasn’t there stoning his ass. Lol
What is this nonsense supposed to prove? Besides, isn’t stoning one of your savage god’s punishment for sins?

PoliteActivist:


Read the topic of the thread again. The question is why. The answer is that people can see Christianity working in other people's lives or it worked in their own lives. Example was Constantine - he believed it was what helped him win a tough battle

Working on their lives is meaningless babble. The A Roman emperor using the power of the state to legalize the religion is nothing special. Gods always need the state to legitimize them after all.

vdestro:


Says the one who already has problems with reality and living and you are just looking for who to join you. The very definition of misery loving and seeking conpany.

You can’t even recognize the difference between reality and bullshit. That is one thing religions are good for.

KnownUnknown:


He’s lucky I wasn’t there stoning his ass. Lol
What is this nonsense supposed to prove? Besides, isn’t stoning one of your savage god’s punishment for sins?

You'd probably start questioning this your mindset after witnessing an innocent man being stoned but in pure bliss instead of angry and scared!

KnownUnknown:


Working on their lives is meaningless babble. The A Roman emperor using the power of the state to legalize the religion is nothing special. Gods always need the state to legitimize them after all.

Know your history. Constantine had almost zero chance of winning a battle. He saw sign of a cross telling him he'd be victorious with it. After, against all odds, he won, that was end of persecution of Christians in Rome.
Working in their lives is not meaningless. If everything failed you but calling on Christ worked, you won't need any preaching - you've seen for yourself!

PoliteActivist:


Know your history. Constantine had almost zero chance of winning a battle. He saw sign of a cross telling him he'd be victorious with it. After, against all odds, he won, that was end of persecution of Christians in Rome.

I don’t care what he said he saw. Also, he was no underdog and was just involved in one of the the civil wars fought by those seeking the throne. Constantine’s choice to use christianity as the state sanctioned religion is also not unique because “church and state” often worked together to control the populace. Rulers often decided the religion of the state and citing Constantine betrays your own inadequate knowledge of history.
A lot of West African rulers converted to Islam for trade purposes with the Arabs, does that validate Islam?

PoliteActivist:


Working in their lives is not meaningless. If everything failed you but calling on Christ worked, you won't need any preaching - you've seen for yourself!

Absolutely meaningless.

TookDownYourMum:
Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism, Judaism etc. Its all bullshit of extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence but if it brings people comfort then whats the problem? The problem only comes in when it starts being used to trample on other peoples rights nor should religious doctrine be taught in public schools, thats when we Atheists start having a problem with it.

Well, if you live in a system organized according to that religion (say, Saudi Arabia), it's either you leave and go find a system based on atheism, or you live a quiet unobtrusive life, not always making noise that their religion is bullshit - while at same time enjoying a system created by same religion!

KnownUnknown:


I don’t care what he said he saw. Also, he was no underdog and was just involved in one of the the civil wars fought by those seeking the throne. Constantine’s choice to use christianity as the state sanctioned is also not unique because “church and state” often worked together to control the populace.

Know your history. Constantine never made Christianity state religion. He only allowed that they worshipped without being harassed.
And yes he was a heavy underdog in that battle

Absolutely meaningless.

End of that argument.
QED

PoliteActivist:


Well, if you live in a system organized according to that religion (say, Saudi Arabia), it's either you leave and go find a system based on atheism, or you live a quiet unobtrusive life, not always making noise that their religion is bullshit - while at same time enjoying a system created by same religion!

The only people enjoying “the system” created religion are the fancifully dressed men at the top of the shit pyramid. The delusion is strong with most of you people.
Which state based on the abrahamic bullshit or any religion can people lead “quiet unobtrusive life”?
The kleptomaniac Europeand that call themselves Israel or the Arabs drenched in blood and barbarity? America (though not based in religion) where instances of hatred often has some Christian perpetrator? India where the Hindus are trying to create a “Hindu state” while disregarding Muslims? Myanmar where the Buddhists would rather see a dead Muslim Rohingya than the Buddha himself? Tibet where the Dalai Lamas and their ruling priestly class held sway over the regular people and slaves?

KnownUnknown:


The only people enjoying “the system” created religion are the fancifully men at the top of the shit pyramid. The delusion is strong with most of you people.
Which state based on the abrahamic bullshit or any religion can people lead “quiet unobtrusive life”?

Go ask all those Nigerian Christians and Nigerian prostitutes in Dubai

PoliteActivist:


Know your history. Constantine never made Christianity state religion. He only allowed that they worshipped without being harassed.
And yes he was a heavy underdog in that battle


End of that argument.
QED

Well, it did become state religion and that’s the reason the Chief priest of Rome is the oldest office in Christendom. The Pontifex Maximus aka The Pope.

PoliteActivist:


Go ask all those Nigerian Christians and Nigerian prostitutes in Dubai

Ask them what? Why the magical jew hasn’t crawled out of a virgin’s ass to save them again?

KnownUnknown:


Ask them what? Why the magical jew hasn’t crawled out of a virgin’s ass to save them again?

You asked: Which state based on any religion can people lead “quiet unobtrusive life”?

KnownUnknown:


Well, it did become state religion and that’s the reason the Chief priest of Rome is the oldest office in Christendom. The Pontifex Maximus aka The Pope.

So you were wrong in saying Constantine made it state religion

PoliteActivist:


So you were wrong in saying Constantine made it state religion

Yes, he only got the ball rolling in organizing and formalizing the disparate cults of christianity. It was another emperor who did that in the year 380. Then the christians went on a murderous rampage against all other religious systems and were very successful in their violent purges. How about that for “Christian persecution”.
The Christians really do take a page out of Judaism with their penchant for striking blows while yelling out in pain.

PoliteActivist:


Well, if you live in a system organized according to that religion (say, Saudi Arabia), it's either you leave and go find a system based on atheism, or you live a quiet unobtrusive life, not always making noise that their religion is bullshit - while at same time enjoying a system created by same religion!

I am sure Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country but making legisation based on their irrational religious beliefs negatively impacts the politics, the judiciary, abortion rights, civil rights, and education etc of said country. For example, Saudi Arabia religion, Islam, gives men direction to fully dominate every part of a woman's life.

For a religious people that claim to be the posterboys for morality, chastity, and the principle of human values, they always turn out to be the most inconsiderate, immoral, and hateful people.

I believe Uganda is the first Christian state to have the death penalty for homosexuals and promoters of inter-communal killings making them not much different from Islamic states that Christians often criticize for being violent and primitive.

PoliteActivist:
■ Know your history. Constantine had almost zero chance of winning a battle. He saw sign of a cross telling him he'd be victorious with it. After, against all odds, he won, that was end of persecution of Christians in Rome.
■ Working in their lives is not meaningless. If everything failed you but calling on Christ worked, you won't need any preaching - you've seen for yourself!

1. And you concluded it had to have been Jesus Christ, why?

Jesus Christ made clear that the Spirit of Truth , the Holy Spirit, gave revelations only to those of His followers who are at least Holy in His Kingdom. So how exactly did Constantine - a non follower of Jesus Christ, come to have this Jesus-related vision which you claim that he did?

2. Calling on Christ works against Jesus Christ own declaration?

KnownUnknown:

You can’t even recognize the difference between reality and bullshit. That is one thing religions are good for.

You are certainly describing yourself and the miseries which plague atheists.

Kobojunkie:
1. And you concluded it had to have been Jesus Christ, why?

Jesus Christ made clear that the Spirit of Truth , the Holy Spirit, gave revelations only to those of His followers who are at least Holy in His Kingdom. So how exactly did Constantine - a non follower of Jesus Christ, come to have this Jesus-related vision which you claim that he did?

2. Calling on Christ works against Jesus Christ own declaration?

1. That was Constantine's and various scholars' conclusion

1B. How exactly did Paul - a non follower of Jesus Christ, come to have this Jesus-related vision which you claim that he did?

2. Meaning what??
It was through that Christ removed persecution from Christians

PoliteActivist:
1. That was Constantine's and various scholars' conclusion

1B. How exactly did Paul - a non follower of Jesus Christ, come to have this Jesus-related vision which you claim that he did?

2. Meaning what?? It was through that Christ removed persecution from Christians

1a. But you quote them as though their claims are in fact in line with Jesus Christ messi

2. Paul was an Israelite. In the last days, right before God promised to put a seal on Prophets and prophecies of Old - Daniel 9 vs 24 - 26 --- God promised that all sons and daughters in the Land would see visions, some will dream dreams while others will prophesy -- they would all become Prophets -- Numbers 12 vs 6 -- right before the end - Joel 2 vs 28 - 33. Saul's vision, along with that of Cornelius, at the time came to him because of this very prophecy from God, a prophesy which ended over 1900 years ago. Paul himself revealed in his letter that his vision was from God --- not Jesus Christ.

Constantine was not of Israelite descent neither did he receive this vision during the last days of God's Old Law of Moses, so how could his vision have been of God or or Jesus Christ?

3. Majority of the claims which you claim are works of Jesus Christ are in fact antichrist. -- they render Jesus Christ of falsehood in their attempts to associate themselves with Him.

Kobojunkie:
1a. But you quote them as though their claims are in fact in line with Jesus Christ messi

2. Paul was an Israelite. In the last days, right before God promised to put a seal on Prophets and prophecies of Old - Daniel 9 vs 24 - 26 --- God promised that all sons and daughters in the Land would see visions, some will dream dreams while others will prophesy -- they would all become Prophets -- Numbers 12 vs 6 -- right before the end - Joel 2 vs 28 - 33. Saul's vision, along with that of Cornelius, at the time came to him because of this very prophecy from God, a prophesy which ended over 1900 years ago. Paul himself revealed in his letter that his vision was from God --- not Jesus Christ.

Constantine was not of Israelite descent neither did he receive this vision during the last days of God's Old Law of Moses, so how could his vision have been of God or or Jesus Christ?

3. Majority of the claims which you claim are works of Jesus Christ are in fact antichrist. -- they render Jesus Christ of falsehood in their attempts to associate themselves with Him.

Why don't you use YOUR OWN common sense sometimes. Look around you sometimes and see how things really are. Why would the devil want to stop persecution of Christians?!

Jesus Christ is alive and people are receiving powerful messages and miracles through him as ever

PoliteActivist:
■ Why don't you use YOUR OWN common sense sometimes. Look around you sometimes and see how things really are. Why would the devil want to stop persecution of Christians?!
■ Jesus Christ is alive and people are receiving powerful messages and miracles through him as ever

1. The answer to your question is quite obvious...after he had eliminated the many true followers of Jesus Christ, he then stopped the persecutions in order to set up his antichrist religion--- and empire of sorts-- in its place with which he could then rule over the movement with.

2. Problem is a huge majority of those who claim to be of Jesus Christ happen to profess majorly that which is antichrist in all manner. Your many powerful messages that violate the core teachings of Jesus Christ, cannot be of Jesus Christ since Truth does not contain contradictions. So do we accept that all those obvious contradictions are equally of God meaning God is pretty a celestial bundle of lies confused as Truth?

vdestro:


You are certainly describing yourself and the miseries which plague atheists.

You’re right because atheism does not equate skepticism. However, I’m no atheist.

PoliteActivist:
You are being economical with the truth.
The truth is, we used our gods to fight Christianity. We gave them our gods' sacred forests to build their churches expecting our gods would kill them off. Instead they took our gods to museums in Europe. They told us our gods were powerless. In the end they were proven totally right.
Same thing happened with them too by the way. When Christians were telling Romans that Zeus who helped them conquer the world doesn't exist, they were killed for blasphemy. In the end they were proven right!

Shut up!

Kobojunkie:
1. The answer to your question is quite obvious...after he had eliminated the many true followers of Jesus Christ, he then stopped the persecutions in order to set up his antichrist religion--- and empire of sorts-- in its place with which he could then rule over the movement with.

2. Problem is a huge majority of those who claim to be of Jesus Christ happen to profess majorly that which is antichrist in all manner. Your many powerful messages that violate the core teachings of Jesus Christ, cannot be of Jesus Christ since Truth does not contain contradictions. So do we accept that all those obvious contradictions are equally of God meaning God is pretty a celestial bundle of lies confused as Truth?

1) So where is God in all this? Or you no longer believe that God's will, what God backs, eventually triumphs.
Talk about a person being given wrong teaching!

2. Your mistake is that you keep assuming that Lord Jesus is powerless. That which is of Christ ultimately triumphs and falsehoods fade away!

PoliteActivist:
1) So where is God in all this? Or you no longer believe that God's will, what God backs, eventually triumphs. Talk about a person being given wrong teaching!

2. Your mistake is that you keep assuming that Lord Jesus is powerless. That which is of Christ ultimately triumphs and falsehoods fade away!

1. God, who said it would happen as it did in the book of Daniel, is where He has always been, watching it all play out according to how He said it would play out in His plan .... the time of the false prophets and false teachers. God does not back evil. He allows it to run its course does not mean God backs it.

By the way, God's WIll actually refers to God's Law, and it is in His Will that He revealed a lot of what would take place, even now.

2. I am afraid you are the one making the many assumptions here, particularly thinking that Jesus Christ has some sort of reason to fight that which He said would happen to His followers. No, Jesus Christ told those of His time that they would suffer as he did, but only those of them who stand faithful till the end would be saved. That is exactly what happened to them. How you think that somehow makes Jesus Christ powerless is beyond me.

Even after the movement was hijacked by the false prophets and false teachers, Jesus Christ's Word has remained the same— unchanging and unwavering, even with the many lies told by the antichrists— that is to tell you that the power of Jesus Christ is not diminished by the presence of the religions out there that claim some sort of connection to Him —not in any way.

Kobojunkie:
1. God, who said it would happen as it did in the book of Daniel, is where He has always been, watching it all play out according to how He said it would play out in His plan .... the time of the false prophets and false teachers. God does not back evil. He allows it to run its course does not mean God backs it.

By the way, God's WIll actually refers to God's Law, and it is in His Will that He revealed a lot of what would take place, even now.

2. I am afraid you are the one making the many assumptions here, particularly thinking that Jesus Christ has some sort of reason to fight that which He said would happen to His followers. No, Jesus Christ told those of His time that they would suffer as he did, but only those of them who stand faithful till the end would be saved. That is exactly what happened to them. How you think that somehow makes Jesus Christ powerless is beyond me.

Even after the movement was hijacked by the false prophets and false teachers, Jesus Christ's Word has remained the same— unchanging and unwavering, even with the many lies told by the antichrists— that is to tell you that the power of Jesus Christ is not diminished by the presence of the religions out there that claim some sort of connection to Him —not in any way.

Wow, wow, wow!! Talk about someone being totally messed up. So let's get this straight: false prophets and Antichrist took over the movement but they carefully left the words intact and unchanged so that you'll come along and read it and know they are false teachers! Wow!
I'm done. Nice chatting witcha

PoliteActivist:
■ Wow, wow, wow!! Talk about someone being totally messed up. So let's get this straight: false prophets and Antichrist took over the movement but they carefully left the words intact an unchanged so that you'll come along and read it and know they are false teachers! Wow!
I'm done. Nice chatting witcha

1. Again, you are wrong! Jesus Christ said the Word of God is everlasting meaning the antichrist--- and his gang-- had no power to change His Truth, to begin with. The antichrist is able to spew all the lies he needs to manipulate the gullible but try as he may, He is unable to put his own words into the mouth of God and of Jesus Christ.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not a simpleton that you would assume He works alongside the plans of men. No, He is instead a God whose plan rides above everything men czn think of or throw.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, you are wrong! Jesus Christ said the Word of God is everlasting meaning the antichrist--- and his gang-- had no power to change His Truth, to begin with. The antichrist is able to spew all the lies he needs to manipulate the gullible but try as he may, He is unable to put his own words into the mouth of God and of Jesus Christ.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not a simpleton that you would assume He works alongside the plans of men. No, He is instead a God whose plan rides above everything men czn think of or throw.

How about this below

PoliteActivist:
How about this below

That verse is taken from a song sung by Moses and the people of Israel regarding their God, YHWH, all of this in connection to God's Old Law of Moses — God's Will and Plan for the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan.

1 Then Moses and the Israelites began singing this song to the Lord: “I will sing to the Lord! He has done great things. He threw horse and rider into the sea.
2 The Lord is my strength. He saves me, and I sing songs of praise to him. He is my God, and I praise him. He is the God of my ancestors, and I honor him.
3 The Lord is a great soldier. The Lord is his name.
4 He threw Pharaoh’s chariots and soldiers into the sea. Pharaoh’s very best soldiers drowned in the Red Sea.
5 The deep water covered them, and they sank to the bottom like rocks.
6 “Lord, your right hand is amazingly strong. With your right hand, Lord, you broke the enemy to pieces... - Exodus 15 vs 1 - 21

The same God is written to have not only destroyed the people of Israel by way of His curse - Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 44-- about 2600 years ago - Hosea Chapters 1 - 14. God is also written to have done the same to the Nation of Judah, Israel's Sister nation, about 1900 years ago. Everything written in Deuteronomy 28 vs 15- to the end came to pass. Jesus Christ prophesied of this in His Gospels. At that time, God also proclaimed that a seal would be put on Prophets and visions - Daniel 9 vs 24 - 26 & Joel 2 vs 28 - 33 & Matthew 24 vs 1 - 25 & 13 vs 1 - 23 & Luke 21 vs 5 - 24 - the last days of God's Old Law and the destruction of Jerusalem.

The ramification of all that happened is that no more prophets were sent to the people after the end and no more visions given from God to men by way of His Old Law promise. Everything became as specified in His Law, Jesus Christ. So, I guess my questions to you would be as follows:
■ Why do you quote from God's Old Law of Moses when you claim to believe God's new plan, Jesus Christ, is what is instead in session?
■ Am I to take it instead that Jesus Christ, the one who promised that judgment and hence punishment, will only happen after He returns again is instead out there parading as this God of war you perceive plays a role to this day?
■ Surely, you cannot believe that God is duplicitous, can you?

Kobojunkie:
That verse is taken from a song sung by Moses and the people of Israel regarding their God, YHWH, all of this in connection to God's Old Law of Moses — God's Will and Plan for the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan.
The same God is written to have not only destroyed the people of Israel by way of His curse - Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 44-- about 2600 years ago - Hosea Chapters 1 - 14. God is also written to have done the same to the Nation of Judah, Israel's Sister nation, about 1900 years ago. Everything written in Deuteronomy 28 vs 15- to the end came to pass. Jesus Christ prophesied of this in His Gospels. At that time, God also proclaimed that a seal would be put on Prophets and visions - Daniel 9 vs 24 - 26 & Joel 2 vs 28 - 33 & Matthew 24 vs 1 - 25 & 13 vs 1 - 23 & Luke 21 vs 5 - 24 - the last days of God's Old Law and the destruction of Jerusalem.

The ramification of all that happened is that no more prophets were sent to the people after the end and no more visions given from God to men by way of His Old Law promise. Everything became as specified in His Law, Jesus Christ. So, I guess my questions to you would be as follows:
■ Why do you quote from God's Old Law of Moses when you claim to believe God's new plan, Jesus Christ, is what is instead in session?
■ Am I to take it instead that Jesus Christ, the one who promised that judgment and hence punishment, will only happen after He returns again is instead out there parading as this God of war you perceive plays a role to this day?
■ Surely, you cannot believe that God is duplicitous, can you?

You totally miss the point. Why was He called "man"?