Christians claim that [b]approximately 100billion [/b]humans have ever lived on this planet (am talking about only the dead) and the majority , that is, over 70% did not make heaven. Some also claim that Hell is located beneath the Earth. As big as this planet is, the maximum number of people it can accommodate is 10 billion . How then can a place located deep under the Earth contain so many?
Again christians say that when you go to hell, you burn eternally. With a simple logic, this is impossible because when you are exposed to an unfavorable condition (like pain) for a very long period of time , you will become adapted to that condition. That is, you will no longer feel the pain. To illustrate, consider dipping your hand in a boiling pot of water for as long as four hours. At the start, you will feel an excruciating pain, but after a while, your body will get used to it and you will no longer feel the pain. We can even explain this using the concept of adaptation . When a species is exposed to a new or unfavorable condition, if it can't leave, it will become adapted to that condition. So how is it possible for a person to be feeling the SAME LEVEL OF PAIN FOR ETERNITY?
Please I don't need atheists and Jehovah witnesses views on this.

And don't tell me only the soul goes to hell because the Bible has made it clear that your body also goes to hell.

TenQ
Advocatejare
Antislam
Jesusjnr
Righteous 2020

Mikel99:
Christians claim that [b]approximately 100billion [/b]humans have ever lived on this planet (am talking about only the dead) and the majority , that is, over 70% did not make heaven. Some also claim that Hell is located beneath the Earth. As big as this planet is, the maximum number of people it can accommodate is 10 billion . How then can a place located deep under the Earth contain so many?
Again christians say that when you go to hell, you burn eternally. With a simple logic, this is impossible because when you are exposed to an unfavorable condition (like pain) for a very long period of time , you will become adapted to that condition. That is, you will no longer feel the pain. To illustrate, consider dipping your hand in a boiling pot of water for as long as four hours. At the start, you will feel an excruciating pain, but after a while, your body will get used to it and you will no longer feel the pain. We can even explain this using the concept of adaptation . When a species is exposed to a new or unfavorable condition, if it can't leave, it will become adapted to that condition. So how is it possible for a person to be feeling the SAME LEVEL OF PAIN FOR ETERNITY?
Please I don't need atheists and Jehovah witnesses views on this.

1. There is a difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire.
2. The word translated as Hell depending on its context may refer to the place unrighteous people at death are quarantined or just the grave
3. There is no scriptural evidence to conclusively prove that Hell as the place quarantine is Under the earth.
4. However, even IF this is true and Hell is under the earth : a human being is NOT a physical being in Hell (as it is not yet resurrected). In quarantine, a human being is a union of his Soul and Spirit. Thus, he is not bound by physical space and volume.

Example :
A legion of demons could fit inside a man living in the tomb at Gadarene

Mar 5:2-15:
"And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the most high God? I adjure you by God, that you torment me not. For he said to him, Come out of the man, you unclean spirit. And he asked him, What is your name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. And he sought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. Now there was there near to the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. And all the devils sought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. And immediately Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand; ) and were choked in the sea. And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done. And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."

Do your maths :
A Legion is between 3000-7000 of the Roman Army

TenQ:

1. There is a difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire.
2. The word translated as Hell depending on its context may refer to the place unrighteous people at death are quarantined or just the grave
3. There is no scriptural evidence to conclusively prove that Hell as the place quarantine is Under the earth.
4. However, even IF this is true and Hell is under the earth : a human being is NOT a physical being in Hell (as it is not yet resurrected). In quarantine, a human being is a union of his Soul and Spirit. Thus, he is not bound by physical space and volume.

Example :
A legion of demons could fit inside a man living in the tomb at Gadarene

Mar 5:2-15:
"And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the most high God? I adjure you by God, that you torment me not. For he said to him, Come out of the man, you unclean spirit. And he asked him, What is your name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. And he sought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. Now there was there near to the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. And all the devils sought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. And immediately Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand; ) and were choked in the sea. And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done. And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."

Do your maths :
A Legion is between 3000-7000 of the Roman Army

Of course, it is possible for demons to co-exist in one person. They are spirits and can fit in. This is however different from humans burning in a place and are separated from each other. 8nfact, there's a special space for everyone.

Mikel99:

Of course, it is possible for demons to co-exist in one person. They are spirits and can fit in. This is however different from humans burning in a place and are separated from each other. 8nfact, there's a special space for everyone.

You didn't read my post.

1. There is a difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire.

4. However, even IF this is true and Hell is under the earth : a human being is NOT a physical being in Hell (as it is not yet resurrected). In quarantine, a human being is a union of his Soul and Spirit. Thus, he is not bound by physical space and volume.

TenQ, see a lot a pastors support the judgement of the dead immediately after death. Even the Bible states that after death is judgement. What happens to a criminal when he is judged at a court of law? Is he not sentenced?How does a criminal who has been judged said to have face justice If he is not punished after judgement? What is the purpose of judgement if criminals are not punished after it? Will it make sense? Why will God then judge people if after that they just cease to exist or rest? Imagine two people(one righteous and one vile) who are brought to the presence of a judge for judgement. If the judge pronounces them to both go and rest , will his judgement make sense. Why make judgement to nothing's effect?
Jesus, on whom Christianity is focused on, would have never mentioned hell as a place of punishment for the vile as a joke.

TenQ:

You didn't read my post.

1. There is a difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire.

4. However, even IF this is true and Hell is under the earth : a human being is NOT a physical being in Hell (as it is not yet resurrected). In quarantine, a human being is a union of his Soul and Spirit. Thus, he is not bound by physical space and volume.

Can you reconcile your claim that human is not a physical being in hell with the bible verse that states" If your eye causes you to fall into sin, it is better for you to gourge it out than for your whole body to be thrown into hell" note that the verse makes a reference to the presence of the physical body in hell.

Mikel99:

Of course, it is possible for demons to co-exist in one person. They are spirits and can fit in. This is however different from humans burning in a place and are separated from each other. 8nfact, there's a special space for everyone.

When we die we become spirits and spirits are not matter that has mass and occupy space. They are not also adaptable to pain.

The statement was even made by Jesus.

Amaly:

When we die we become spirits and spirits are not matter that has mass and occupy space. They are not also adaptable to pain.

Christians are so confused. Some believe that after death, we turn to dust. Some believe that after death we live on as spirits. Which one should we believe?

Amaly:

When we die we become spirits and spirits are not matter that has mass and occupy space. They are not also adaptable to pain.

If spirits are not matter, how do they then feel pain? Is the spirit not made of light? Is light not matter?

Mikel99:

If spirits are not matter, how do they then feel pain? Is the spirit not made of light? Is light not matter?

Spirits are not light please, they don't belong to the realm ot time and space. A colleague of man was sick and slipped into coma, she was in that state for about 4 days and when is resurfaced thought she had a 30 mins nap, the husband had to show her video evidence and date to convince her. And who says spirits cannot feel pain? When you are bereaved you don't suffer physical but emotional pain, that is your spirit feeling pain and you don't take paracetamol to releave that.

Mikel99:

Christians are so confused. Some believe that after death, we turn to dust. Some believe that after death we live on as spirits. Which one should we believe?

No Christian preaches such except marginal groups like Jehovah's witnesses who preach permanent extinction. We are not confused, only confused people think we are.

Mikel99:
TenQ, see a lot a pastors support the judgement of the dead immediately after death. Even the Bible states that after death is judgement. What happens to a criminal when he is judged at a court of law? Is he not sentenced?How does a criminal who has been judged said to have face justice If he is not punished after judgement? What is the purpose of judgement if criminals are not punished after it? Will it make sense? Why will God then judge people if after that they just cease to exist or rest? Imagine two people(one righteous and one vile) who are brought to the presence of a judge for judgement. If the judge pronounces them to both go and rest , will his judgement make sense. Why make judgement to nothing's effect?
Jesus, on whom Christianity is focused on, would have never mentioned hell as a place of punishment for the vile as a joke.

It is important to know that SIN (violation against the Integrity of God) has an infinite punishment DEATH! Death here is an eternal disconnection and rejection of a person body, soul and spirit from God.

Hell (not lake of fire) is a place of Quarantine (Holding Cell) of undeserable souls and not the place of Judgement. The Lake of fire is the place of Judgement where even the evil person receive the judgement according to his deeds. I do not belive that there is the same magnitude of punishment for sinners in the lake of fire.

Rev 20:12-13:
"I saw the dead — the mighty and the unimportant — standing before the throne, and the books were opened. Then another book was opened — The Book of Life. The dead were judged by what was recorded in the books, according to their deeds. The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades (Hell) gave up the dead who were in them, and the dead were judged according to what they had done."

Jesus described the eternal nature of the place of judgement as it is better to lose everything here on earth than retain them and land in hell.
Mrk 9:43-48:
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to have two hands and to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire. If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life lame than to have your two feet and be thrown into hell. If your eye causes you to stumble, tear it out. It is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and to be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not put out."

If the Second death is mere annihilation, the warnings wouldn't be this severe.

I don't know If I've answered some of your questions

Mikel99:

Can you reconcile your claim that human is not a physical being in hell with the bible verse that states" If your eye causes you to fall into sin, it is better for you to gourge it out than for your whole body to be thrown into hell" note that the verse makes a reference to the presence of the physical body in hell.

Jesus used the word Hell here synonymously with the lake of fire as He speaks of Resurrection of the dead at the establishment of or Entrance into the kingdom of God.
AND Even if Jesus refer not to the Lake of Fire but Hell as place of quarantine , we have two bodies: physical and spiritual.

Mrk 9:43-48:
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to have two hands and to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire. If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life lame than to have your two feet and be thrown into hell. If your eye causes you to stumble, tear it out. [highlight ]It is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God[/highlight ] with one eye than to have two eyes and to be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not put out."


Entrance into the kingdom of God is after resurrection and judgement.

Secondly
A Soul/Spirit is a Being with non physical body.

1Co 15:44:
"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body."

TenQ:

Jesus used the word Hell here synonymously with the lake of fire as He speaks of Resurrection of the dead at the establishment of or Entrance into the kingdom of God.
AND Even if Jesus refer not to the Lake of Fire but Hell as place of quarantine , we have two bodies: physical and spiritual.

Mrk 9:43-48:
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to have two hands and to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire. If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life lame than to have your two feet and be thrown into hell. If your eye causes you to stumble, tear it out. [highlight ]It is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God[/highlight ] with one eye than to have two eyes and to be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not put out."


Entrance into the kingdom of God is after resurrection and judgement.

Secondly
A Soul/Spirit is a Being with non physical body.

1Co 15:44:
"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body."

Define natural and spiritual bodies.

Mikel99:
TenQ, see a lot a pastors support the judgement of the dead immediately after death. Even the Bible states that after death is judgement. What happens to a criminal when he is judged at a court of law? Is he not sentenced?How does a criminal who has been judged said to have face justice If he is not punished after judgement? What is the purpose of judgement if criminals are not punished after it? Will it make sense? Why will God then judge people if after that they just cease to exist or rest? Imagine two people(one righteous and one vile) who are brought to the presence of a judge for judgement. If the judge pronounces them to both go and rest , will his judgement make sense. Why make judgement to nothing's effect?
Jesus, on whom Christianity is focused on, would have never mentioned hell as a place of punishment for the vile as a joke.

Your first problem is definition of the word "immediate".

How long is immediate?
The Bible clearly shows us that even Cain and those idiots who worshipped the golden calf have not been judged yet, so that gives you an idea of how long immediate is.

So now you see, they never cease to exist and now you understand why the Bible Said "and he rested with his fathers"

Amaly:

When we die we become spirits and spirits are not matter that has mass and occupy space. They are not also adaptable to pain.

Also, no one adapted to the pain of an operation without anaesthesia or have we seen a thief getting comfortable as he was being burnt.

The pain kills them

God created all creatures using the dust of the earth {Genesis 2:7} so at death all creatures return to dust {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} the energy sustaining our heart to continue breathing returns to God who gave it to all creatures in the beginning! Ecclesiastes 12:7

As for Heaven humans have no business doing there that place belongs God and other spirit beings it's earth God made for humans! Psalm 115:16

Where most Bible readers got it all wrong is when Jesus was talking to his prospective corulers, they're supposed to reign with him in Jerusalem {Isaiah 2:3} but the inhabitants of that city were attacking God's messengers and sending many of them to early grave {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jerusalem was condemned and the glory is to be taken to another place {Matthew 22:7} when Jesus was talking about all the calamities that will befall Jerusalem {Luke 21:24} his disciples became devastated so he consoled them assuring them that the kingdom has been given to them {Luke 12:32} but where are they going to stay with him to rule?
That's why he said:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be. John 14:1-3

This statement doesn't mean that all believers are going to heaven but only those who are prospective corulers with Christ will become spirit creatures like angels to stay with Christ so just as Jesus never marry they also will no longer think of marriage because they have become spirit creatures {Luke 20:34-36} so they will rule with him over the earth and mind you it's a limited number! Revelation 14:1

vdestro:


Your first problem is definition of the word "immediate".

How long is immediate?
The Bible clearly shows us that even Cain and those idiots who worshipped the golden calf have not been judged yet, so that gives you an idea of how long immediate is.

So now you see, they never cease to exist and now you understand why the Bible Said "and he rested with his fathers"

He meant judgement of Hell rather than judgement of the Lake of Fire.

Mikel99:

Define natural and spiritual bodies.

Your natural body is your biological or physical body

Your spiritual body is your non biological body visible in the spiritual realm as you the same way how Angels are visible to themselves in the spiritual realm.

The love of God for us


John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


When Adam sinned, he lost the direct access he initially had with God. (Genesis 3) God decided to send his only begotten son (Jesus) to pay the price for our sins on the cross of calvary because of his love for us. When Christ resurrected, he restored all privileges that we once had and brought redemption to us all. All we need is to believe that he died for our sin and has once again granted us direct access with God. No longer through an intermediary! (Mathew 27:50-53).

Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

If our earthly parents care so much for us, how much more our father in heaven! (Luke 11:11-13). God’s love for us is infinite. He has promised to supply all our needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. (Philipians 4:19).


Prayer of Salvation

Lord Jesus, I accept and acknowledge you as my personal lord and savior. I sincerely ask that you forgive my sins. Come into my life and pour out your spirit on me. By faith, I receive the promise of the father, which is the holy spirit. (John 14:16) I thank you for the price that you paid for me on the cross of calvary. Thank you for my redemption. I pray that your power, grace and favor will abide with me now and forever more. Amen.

Mikel99:
TenQ
Advocatejare
Antislam
Jesusjnr
Righteous 2020

Your name is Abdulsamad, you are a Muslim but you choose to be asking Christians these questions, go and ask your Alfas

Ask them how the people of hellfire will be scorched too like Muhammad said:

Sahih al-Bukhari 7450
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Some people will be scorched by Hell (Fire) as a punishment for sins they have committed, and then Allah will admit them into Paradise by the grant of His Mercy. These people will be called, 'Al-Jahannamiyyin' (the people of Hell).


And how they will be tortured by fire:

Sahih al-Bukhari 3265
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Your (ordinary) fire is one of 70 parts of the (Hell) Fire." Someone asked, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) This (ordinary) fire would have been sufficient (to torture the unbelievers)," Allah's Apostle said, "The (Hell) Fire has 69 parts more than the ordinary (worldly) fire, each part is as hot as this (worldly) fire."


Sahih al-Bukhari 2365
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "A woman was tortured and was put in Hell because of a cat which she had kept locked till it died of hunger." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) further said, (Allah knows better) Allah said (to the woman), 'You neither fed it nor watered when you locked it up, nor did you set it free to eat the vermin of the earth.' "


Bulugh al-Maram 565
‘Auf bin Malik (RAA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) offered the funeral prayer, and I memorized this supplication (that he said for the deceased), “'O Allah! Forgive him and have mercy on him (on her). Grant him ease and respite. Make his resting place a noble one, and facilitate his entry. Wash him with the most pure and clean water, snow and hail. Purify him from sins as a white garment is cleansed of dirt. Give him in exchange a home better than his home (on earth) and a family better than his family. Grant him entrance to Paradise and protect him from the trials of the grave and the torture of Hell Fire." Related by Muslim.

TenQ:

Your natural body is your biological or physical body

Your spiritual body is your non biological body visible in the spiritual realm as you the same way how Angels are visible to themselves in the spiritual realm.

Mikel99, what he's telling you is that your physical body is visible on earth in the physical realm. In the spirit realm, your spiritual body is the one visible.

That's better explained practically in terms of dreams. When you dream, your physical body is sleeping on your bed in your room but your spiritual body is moving about and having different experiences in your dream.

advocatejare:

Your name is Abdulsamad, you are a Muslim but you choose to be asking Christians these questions, go and ask your Alfas

Ask them how the people of hellfire will be scorched too like Muhammad said:

Sahih al-Bukhari 7450
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Some people will be scorched by Hell (Fire) as a punishment for sins they have committed, and then Allah will admit them into Paradise by the grant of His Mercy. These people will be called, 'Al-Jahannamiyyin' (the people of Hell).


And how they will be tortured by fire:

Sahih al-Bukhari 3265
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Your (ordinary) fire is one of 70 parts of the (Hell) Fire." Someone asked, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) This (ordinary) fire would have been sufficient (to torture the unbelievers)," Allah's Apostle said, "The (Hell) Fire has 69 parts more than the ordinary (worldly) fire, each part is as hot as this (worldly) fire."


Sahih al-Bukhari 2365
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "A woman was tortured and was put in Hell because of a cat which she had kept locked till it died of hunger." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) further said, (Allah knows better) Allah said (to the woman), 'You neither fed it nor watered when you locked it up, nor did you set it free to eat the vermin of the earth.' "


Bulugh al-Maram 565
‘Auf bin Malik (RAA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) offered the funeral prayer, and I memorized this supplication (that he said for the deceased), “'O Allah! Forgive him and have mercy on him (on her). Grant him ease and respite. Make his resting place a noble one, and facilitate his entry. Wash him with the most pure and clean water, snow and hail. Purify him from sins as a white garment is cleansed of dirt. Give him in exchange a home better than his home (on earth) and a family better than his family. Grant him entrance to Paradise and protect him from the trials of the grave and the torture of Hell Fire." Related by Muslim.

Thank you for detecting this impostor!
I thought he was a wannabe Atheist on nairaland!

Amaly:
■ When we die we become spirits and spirits are not matter that has mass and occupy space. They are not also adaptable to pain.

There is no scriptural truth to any of the statements made by you here.

Amaly:
Spirits are not light please, they don't belong to the realm ot time and space. A colleague of man was sick and slipped into coma, she was in that state for about 4 days and when is resurfaced thought she had a 30 mins nap, the husband had to show her video evidence and date to convince her. And who says spirits cannot feel pain? When you are bereaved you don't suffer physical but emotional pain, that is your spirit feeling pain and you don't take paracetamol to releave that.

None of the statements you made here — in bold— conform with any of that written in scripture.

TenQ:


Thank you for detecting this impostor!
I thought he was a wannabe Atheist on nairaland!

I am just a kid looking for the right way. I don't post much on Islam because Muslims are not that approachable and reasonable. I an searching for the truth.

Amaly:
■ No Christian preaches such except marginal groups like Jehovah's witnesses who preach permanent extinction. We are not confused, only confused people think we are.

I disagree! Christianity is a religion built on the doctrine and traditions of men. Jesus Himself called it a system of lies and confusion to deceive and delude people away from the following the Truth of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

According to Scripture, the unbelieving world is condemned to perish in the grave by God Him — from dust, you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust you(mind, body, and soul) shall return when you die - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24. Only those who earn eternal life from God sleep in their graves to be resurrected come time for the resurrection of the saints - John 5 vs 19 - 29.

Mikel99:

I am just a kid looking for the right way. I don't post much on Islam because Muslims are not that approachable and reasonable. I an searching for the truth.

You sounded more like an Atheist to me.
Did I answer ALL your questions?

TenQ:


Thank you for detecting this impostor!
I thought he was a wannabe Atheist on nairaland!

He is not, Mikel99 is Abdulsamad one of the liars for Islam here on Nairaland