Back in the dark ages the Catholics invented all kinds of ways to have a guiltless time sinning. 

Indulge today, tomorrow we need to abstain.  In the middle ages the Catholic invention of indulgences was a real moneymaker.  Indulgences could be purchased.  Go ahead and sin as long as you pay us $ we will be happy to grant you forgiveness.

The moneychangers of the Jewish temple are needing a good whipping again. Nigerian and American false churches teach that  if you don't pay your minimum 10% you are in sin . This doctrine is not unique to these churches but is common in Christian circles today.

The sale of Indulgences taught = Pay $$ and you can get out of sin.

The tithe doctrine teaches = Pay $$ (minimum of 10%) or you are in sin.

Each doctrine extorts from the people.  Guilt and fear are used to pry loose moneys from the simple and trusting.  This is nothing less than the fraudulent fleecing of the flock.  Mutton and wool are extracted by the tithe preachers of our generation just as the pope and his minions extracted from the catholics using the indulgences doctrine long ago.

Pathetic !!!!!

While Christians worldwide live in hunger with a beggarly existence , these preachers live in luxury , eating the fat of lambs and not leaving enough crumbs for the 'dogs' to feed on.

Wicked generation !!

May God have mercy and deliver his flock from these false shepherds.

Frosbel, for once we agree.
But what is responsible for all this holy fraud?
Is there something inherently faudulent about christianity?
Why is it so easy to decieve people with god?
Does it have to with the fact that people dont see god, dont hear god, dont feel god ,but always depend on others in (pretentious) authority to intermediate between the so- called god?
The catholic church is the motherchurch. If the catholic church was founded on,built on, and perpetuated by fraud as you allege, then no doubt, she must have surely passed on her (fraudulent) DNA to her many wayward children.

You don't even know what an 'indulgence' is,

You have so much hate in you for the Catholic Church that you're just quick to accept anything bad you hear about them without a little fact-finding.

Frosbel, for once we agree.

Shocking to say the least

But what is responsible for all this holy fraud?

Greed !

Is there something inherently faudulent about christianity?

There is something inherently fraudulent in the concept of Christianity that so many so called Nigerian MOG have. It is a means to an end, a financial end at that.

But if you read the scriptures, it is well documented that this was going to be the case.


If you read the message of Jesus, it was never about money, it was about salvation and loving GOD above all else and your fellow man.

Why is it so easy to decieve people with god?

greed , fear and ignorance.

Greed because many people today worship GOD for what they can get out of him, not what they can do for others.


Fear, because they are told that not to tithe equates to sin in God's eyes.

Ignorance because they do not read bible for themselves , but rely on 'wolves' to interpret scripture which in many cases is twisted out of context to suit their purpose and agenda.

Does it have to with the fact that people dont see god, dont hear god, dont feel god ,but always depend on others in (pretentious) authority to intermediate between the so- called god?

It has to do with deception.

The catholic church is the motherchurch.

No it is not.

If the catholic church was founded on,built on, and perpetuated by fraud as you allege, then no doubt, she must have surely passed on her (fraudulent) DNA to her many wayward children

.

No doubt we also agree on this which is why I left the catholic church.

And yes she has passed her DNA to many other churches who now deceive whole congregations and exploit them for money.

Summary :

If Christians truly loved GOD and read the bible for themselves, if they were content and not greedy, they will never fall prey to these deceivers !!

This Frosbel of a character! Your anti-catholic crusade is so laughable to the extent my young nephew sneers at ur 'wisdom'. My one advice, do get a life and stop bitching. Catholicism has been in existence for several centuries and will continue to be. Reason; the founding fathers consisted of the most intelligent men of their time. These were men with deep sense and fore-sight. And the so-called Bible u use today as a paradigm for your disdain against the church was written and compiled by them. They saw ahead of ur u and ur type. Do a Research on the life and times of thinkers like Jerome the great, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Aviccena and compare them with the break-away pentecostals of the mediaval age. Come back to thank me later

This Frosbel of a character! Your anti-catholic crusade

Anti Catholic crusade

is so laughable to the extent my young nephew sneers at your 'wisdom'

My 8 year old son finds the catholic church hilarious.

My one advice, do get a life and stop bitching.

Is the bolded typical Christian language

Catholicism has been in existence for several centuries and will continue to be.

No argument here, but so has Hinduism, Buddhism and other false pagan religions !!

Reason; the founding fathers consisted of the most intelligent men of their time. These were men with deep sense and fore-sight.

Name the founding fathers you are talking about and we use that as a baseline for further debate.

And the so-called Bible u use today as a paradigm for your disdain against the church was written and compiled by them.

Nope , another lie. The bible was written by men of GOD who were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

They saw ahead of your u and your type. Do a Research on the life and times of thinkers like Jerome the great, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Aviccena and compare them with the break-away pentecostals of the mediaval age. Come back to thank me later

Expect a line by line, analysis of these men at some point in the future.


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I find ur response quite amusing. A question for u; do u concord with the biblical analysis of creation? Leave faith out of this, go on about is with your reasoning. As for the men i asked u to research about, believe me there is nothing u can say about them that i don't have deep knowledge about. Perhaps, u may have not even heard of them before . And for your 8 yr old boy, i don't blame him. What else should one expect of him if u yourself don't know better.

NB.
I am no fanatical Christian neither do i concern myself with matters of faith, dogma and beliefs. I'm a logical individual and a utilitarian at that. I believe in science and philosophy. I believe in God because I'm convinced he exists. I believe in the church because of her moral teachings and not for fear of salvation(No soul needs to be saved). We are what we make of ourselves, with or without God. As for heaven or hell; they're fictitious and man made. The word hell (Hades) is even pagan oriented. The bible was written in line with the Babylonian and Assyrian traditions. As for the bible being a work born out of inspiration from God- Common! It's a simple make-belief. What other explanation makes meaning other than that?. ITs their (the writers) words against ours. Nobody can say for sure if the words written aren't mere claims or not.

frosbel:

Shocking to say the least

Greed !


There is something inherently fraudulent in the concept of Christianity that so many so called Nigerian MOG have. It is a means to an end, a financial end at that.

But if you read the scriptures, it is well documented that this was going to be the case.


If you read the message of Jesus, it was never about money, it was about salvation and loving GOD above all else and your fellow man.



greed , fear and ignorance.

Greed because many people today worship GOD for what they can get out of him, not what they can do for others.


Fear, because they are told that not to tithe equates to sin in God's eyes.

Ignorance because they do not read bible for themselves , but rely on 'wolves' to interpret scripture which in many cases is twisted out of context to suit their purpose and agenda.



It has to do with deception.


No it is not.

.

No doubt we also agree on this which is why I left the catholic church.

And yes she has passed her DNA to many other churches who now deceive whole congregations and exploit them for money.

Summary :

If Christians truly loved GOD and read the bible for themselves, if they were content and not greedy, they will never fall prey to these deceivers !!

This is shocking to me.
I agree with EVERYTHING you have just pointed out.
Jesus preached truth but christianity is founded on lies.
What is the forward for spiritual salvation considering that most of humanity(Abrahamic adherents) need guidance and handholding in their spiritual journey?

How about alternative spiritual path like Buddhism. The teachings of Jesus, especially the Sermon on the mount, are akin to Buddist philosophies.
Dont you agree?

@ Frosbel

The deception in many Christian churches today is alarming but I recently got a clue to why there is such a great debate about tithing. I found that many professing Christians do not know the essence of Christ's death.  Many of our brothers and sisters behave like the Galatians  that Paul had to ask them " who has bewitched you?."

While I agree that many have become lazy in studying the bible, I believe some are reading it but without understanding and they go to a brother who claims to be a pastor, that one in turn deceives them because he too lack understanding of the truth.

Abraham was the first man to pay 10% of his spoil of war to Melchizedek ( and for almost 1000 years after that there was no record of anyone paying tithe until tithe became a law in the days of Moses. Tithes of crops were to be paid to the levities, another tithe was to be paid for the widows, poor and orphans and then there was another one the payer should eat in the presence of God. Tithing under the law came with a promise and in the book Malachi Israelites were reminded of missing out on the promise because they refused to pay.

The death and resurrection of Jesus brought  the new covenant. Under the new covenant the blessings of God was not limited to the Jews. It is now available to the gentiles. In the new covenant the law was fulfilled in Christ and all we need to do is believe in Jesus and he gives us the HolySpirit. Our salvation comes by grace through faith.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - Ephesians 2: 8

In the days of the apostles there some Jewish groups appeared preaching that no gentile (non -Jew) can be saved without obeying the laws of God given through Moses. The biggest challenge to gentile believers then was circumcision. Many of the gentile brothers ask " How can we be circumcised now that we have become old? Does it mean that God would reject us simply because we have not been circumcised?" There was a council of the apostles in Jerusalem where they issued statements to all churches that circumcision is not a requirement to enter into the new covenant.

However the teaching of these Jews continued to cast doubt on the minds of both the gentile Christians and the Jewish Christians. Some of Paul's letter was written to address this false doctrine propagated by these Jewish group. Paul refereed to their teaching as " other gospel."

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! - Galatians 1: 8 - 9

Such was the effect of this group that even Peter had to pretend when he met his Jewish brethren and Paul rebuked Peter of not living what he has been preaching

When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. - Galatians 2: 11- 13

Some non-Christians use this verse to propagate yet another heresy that Paul and Peter preached different gospels.  However the other gospel Paul refer to was those who preach that without the observance of the law you cannot fully please God.

You would observe that because Peter pretended Paul noted that even Barnabas was led astray. Unfortunately that teaching still resonates today in many Christian churches. Men still preach that if you do not obey the law of tithing you cannot receive certain blessings from God. But these people have only been led astray like Barnabas was by the attitude of Peter at Antioch.

The fact is that if any man is in Christ, he is because he believes not because he has fulfilled some laws. The teaching of tithing is absurd because  in Christ three things were removed that were in the law: sacrifice, temple and priesthood. Jesus became the sacrifice, our individual bodies became the temple of the Holy Spirit and collectively as a church we are the temple of God. Every believer is a priest unto God. We are brothers and sisters in Christ, sons and daughter of God. Yes we can have leaders but like Jesus taught before his death the leader must be the servant of his brethren. You would notice that all the apostles when they wrote to other believers addressed themselves as brothers or fellow partaker in the the grace of God.

In the new covenant (testament), we give not because we are under the law ( as compulsion ) but we give out of love. We give not because we expect a reward but we give because we are moved to give. We give as to a family of which we are members not as to a Priest who is required by law to collect. The brother who gives 30% of his income for the need of the church is not better than the brother who gives 3% nor is the brother who gives 10% better. This is the new testament teaching. This is the teaching in the gospel of Christ. If any man, even if He is angel teaches otherwise ( of course many teach otherwise) he is only teaching the " other gospel " that Paul refereed to in the passages above.

I know many covet the blessing attached to tithing under the law but all of the blessings under the law are available to you in Christ. And I join Paul to ask my Christian brothers and sisters who are still living in the fear of man that they are cursed because they have not giving 10% of their income who has bewitched you!?

Acts 5

35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

Is the Catholic Church of God?

My answer is another question: has anyone been able to scatter the Catholic Church in 2000yrs? NO!

Is Protestantism of human origin? Are the "followers scattered"(verse 38)

My answer - a question still: are the followers scattered? YES! Into 35000 different groups teaching different things.

What did Christ want? One Church or 35000? One doctrine or 35000?

If the Catholic Church is not the one true Church that teaches thhe one true doctrine, then which of the 35000 is it?

@belabela
Brilliant + faultless write up. Thumbs up.

poster, What is wrong in paying tithe.? You re one of the lazy Christians who don't even want 2 gve God 10% of what they have, The Bible says bring the whole tithe into the house of the Lord, The bible says give and it shall be given unto u, I do pay my tithe I even pay 20% cos I find it had to divide my properties nto 10 nd give God my creator 1 out of da ten,

Pastor Kun:

@belabela
Brilliant + faultless write up. Thumbs up.

I can see that you have now become a pastor and that you no longer need to spread your 'leaven' because your converts and disciples are doing your job for you.

@olaadegbu
Thanx for compliment yes the good news that tithes is a false and fraudulent doctrine is catching on like wild fire. Brethen are being released from the bondage and yoke of tithes being placed on believers by a fellow men.

Pastor Kun:

@olaadegbu
Thanx for compliment yes the good news that tithes is a false and fraudulent doctrine is catching on like wild fire. Brethen are being released from the bondage and yoke of tithes being placed on believers by a fellow men.

Its rather bad news that catches like wild fire and those who fail to heed the Master's whistle that will be caught up in it.

@olaadegbu
What is bad news about setting people free from a false, fraudulent and biblically manipulated doctrine? It is only the scammers who benefit from the fraud and have there filthy lucre eroded that it is bad news to. It is good news to all believers who are under the grace of christ. It is wrong and evil to try and put brethen christ purchased with his blood under the yoke of a law that is not applicable to those of us christ has redeemed.

Pastor Kun:

@olaadegbu
What is bad news about setting people free from a false, fraudulent and biblically manipulated doctrine? It is only the scammers who benefit from the fraud and have there filthy lucre eroded that it is bad news to. It is good news to all believers who are under the grace of christ. It is wrong and evil to try and put brethen christ purchased with his blood under the yoke of a law that is not applicable to those of us christ has redeemed.

It is true that charlatans have bastardised God's financial programme for His people but that is no reason for the children of God to throw out the baby with the bath water. The enemy specialises in half truths and lies.

@ OLAADEGBU,

Instead of dismissing the gospel of Christ as half truth why not explain to us the place of the law of tithing in the new covenant.

Let me ask you a few questions:

What is the significance of the death of Christ in relation to the 613 laws in the Torah?

Do you believe in the priesthood of all believers? 1 Peter 2: 9

Do you believe that our justification is not based on the observance of the mosaic laws?

If you think the law of tithing is binding on believers what would you say about the Sabbath ( at least that was written by the finger of GOD)?

Do you accept that Jesus through his death has become our only High priest?

Do you know that with the death of Christ the levitical order of priesthood ended? Hebrews 7: 11 - 28

Do you know that you are at liberty to give whatever percentage you wish in the new covenant? Acts 5: 3 - 4

Do you know that tithing is not more important than circumcision under the law? ( I would say circumcision is a requirement to even start obeying the law if you really know its significance)


If you answer yes to all the yes/no questions and can rightly explain the significance of Christ's death and how the Sabbath day is not binding on believers today then you would quickly swallow your pride. Christians grow daily and if the Lord has reveal things to you in his word do not be like some who keep mute and say " as long as I do what is right the others can continue doing what is wrong"

Note: Some of your pastors know the truth and they would not just tell you because they fear there may be a drop in finance. The irrelevance of tithing does not invalidate giving if you understand the gospel of Christ

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. - Galatians 5: 1- 4

belabela:

@ OLAADEGBU,

Instead of dismissing the gospel of Christ as half truth why not explain to us the place of the law of tithing in the new covenant.

How did I dismiss the gospel of Christ as half truth? or do you equate the place of tithing with the gospel of Christ?

belabela:

Let me ask you a few questions:

That's if you can answer my questions too.

belabela:

What is the significance of the death of Christ in relation to the 613 laws in the Torah?

Does the death of Christ give us the freedom to break the moral law?

belabela:

Do you believe in the priesthood of all believers? 1 Peter 2: 9

Did the OT priest tithe?

belabela:

Do you believe that our justification is not based on the observance of the mosaic laws?

Who said it does?

belabela:

If you think the law of tithing is binding on believers what would you say about the Sabbath ( at least that was written by the finger of GOD)?

What did Jesus say about tithes and the keeping of the sabbath?

belabela:

Do you accept that Jesus through his death has become our only High priest?

Does that give you the liberty to commit sacrilege?

belabela:

Do you know that with the death of Christ the levitical order of priesthood ended? Hebrews 7: 11 - 28

Who is saying otherwise?

belabela:

Do you know that you are at liberty to give whatever percentage you wish in the new covenant? Acts 5: 3 - 4

And at liberty to commit sin since we are no longer under the law, no?

belabela:

Do you know that tithing is not more important than circumcision under the law? ( I would say circumcision is a requirement to even start obeying the law if you really know its significance)

Even circumcision of the heart is not permitted lest we obey the law of Christ.

belabela:

If you answer yes to all the yes/no questions and can rightly explain the significance of Christ's death and how the Sabbath day is not binding on believers today then you would quickly swallow your pride. Christians grow daily and if the Lord has reveal things to you in his word do not be like some who keep mute and say " as long as I do what is right the others can continue doing what is wrong"

The Strawman and the complex question fallacy all rolled up at once, well done.

belabela:

Note: Some of your pastors know the truth and they would not just tell you because they fear there may be a drop in finance. The irrelevance of tithing does not invalidate giving if you understand the gospel of Christ

Very unlike your Pastorkuns who will be grinning from ear to ear seeing how well you represent him.

belabela:

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

It is those who obey the slavemaster of sin that have become the slaves of sin. Jesus taught on the kingdom of heaven when he taught on tithes in Matthew 23:23 but those who want to remain in bondage will twist that as saying that he was teaching under the OT.

belabela:

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. - Galatians 5: 1- 4

It was the same Paul that taught NT believers to lay by them in store as God has prospered them and this to be done on Sunday. So if you like don't get circumcised in your heart so as to love and obey the law of Christ that is your own cup of tea. The just shall live by faith. There are two extremes here, legalism and licenteousness, that is, taking liberty for licence.

10% to God? ok, fine.

OLAADEGBU:

It is true that charlatans have bastardised God's financial programme for His people but that is no reason for the children of God to throw out the baby with the bath water. The enemy specialises in half truths and lies.

What is god's financial program? Taking money from innocent people and enriching yourself? What do you give back in return to the people whose pocket you pick from?

But how do you remit the 10% to god?. What do you do with this 10%?. I can even understsnd if you give all of the tithe you collect to charity for the less previledged. Would that not be doing god's work? Can you pls explain?
When did god ask you to collect on his behalf?
When did he authorise you to avail yourself of this 10% and enrich your self and your family?
How, in your god's name can you justify living on the sweat of others?
Thieves thieves. All of those you that live like parasites, picking the pockets of your faithful.
I doubt if you would be a pastor or whatever you call yourselves if there were no opportunities to steal .
All of you that steal and parasite on the sweat of others,
You people are the worst of the very worst. Surely there must be a special place in hell for all you parasites.

omoalayo:

poster, What is wrong in paying tithe.? You re one of the lazy Christians who don't even want 2 gve God 10% of what they have, The Bible says bring the whole tithe into the house of the Lord, The bible says give and it shall be given unto u, I do pay my tithe I even pay 20% cos I find it had to divide my properties nto 10 nd give God my creator 1 out of da ten,

What % of your income have you given to the needy all around you? And i know the needy are far too many. i 'm sure you know many that are needy, dont you? what % have u given to improve the lives of needy peole around you. You are the lazy Christian. You feel its much easier to bribe god than to meaningfully contribute to the welfare of his creations.
Shame on all of you.

@ OLAADEGBU,

I expected you would have no explanation as to how tithing gets into the gospel of Jesus Christ. If you had read my earlier post you would notice that I explained the origin of tithe, tithing and the law, the three types of tithe, the new covenant and the irrelevance of tithing in the church.

While I do not engage in unnecessary discussions I would like to point out your errors. In Galatians 5:1 Paul was not talking about being slaves of sin but been slaves of the law, and to be specific circumcision. May be you should pick up your bible and read the book of Galatians like a letter, then you would understand.

You said " Jesus taught on the kingdom of heaven when he taught on tithes in Matthew 23:23 but those who want to remain in bondage will twist that as saying that he was teaching under the OT."

Jesus while delivering his popular seven woes on the Pharisee was not teaching them about the Kingdom of heaven. But lets us go back to the bible

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former." - Matthew 23: 23

Do you notice Jesus was telling them about the law. I have told you in my earlier post that the tithe under the law came with blessings. Until you understand the meaning and significance of Christ's death you would continue to preach the "other gospel"

Let me point out to you some requirement of the law:

On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.

When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”b), and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.” - Luke 2: 21 - 24

This child purification is part of the matter of the law that Jesus talked about. Would you sacrifice a pair of pigeon today cos even Jesus had to go through it? Guess you would tell me that was under the law. The problem with those of you who preach the "other gospel" is that you sooner than later get chocked. It isn't a surprise anyway cos it is the gospel you invented for yourselves.

The feast of the passover was one that Jesus regularly participated as was in the law. Why don't you still celebrate this today?

From your last response it is sacrilege and a sin not to pay tithe. Then if by the requirement of the law I am suppose to pay my tithe to the levite and you agree that that order of priesthood is now ended who now should I pay my tithe to? A pastor? Of course not cos that is one of the ministries in the church. Then you could as well tell me to pay it to a teacher.

I repeat again in the new covenant these three have been removed sacrifice, levitical priesthood and temple. I await to hear your "other gospel" and how tithing comes into the new covenant. Cheers

It still beats my imagination how any sincere christian preacher can possibly justify tithing under the new covenant. There is not one single shred of scripture to justify it whilst there is more than enough scriptural evidence making it clear it is not applicable to christians.

Mr glo, alias helper how many people ave u sponsored abroad 4 learning, how many beggers ave u given a house or helped 2 go to school, Lazy Christians can't give God 10%, I am nt saying u shouldnt help, But neither helping nor tithe is a sin, Jesus did not condemn any law in the book of the prophets, Jeremiah, Habbakuk, Nahum, Hagai e.t.c it was the commandments in Numbers, Deuteronomy that He amends

Do you ask what is done with the tithe money or you dont care? Since we know that it is not remitted to god in heaven, Who is the custodian or god's treasurer? Doe sthe pastor EVER give account of the amt collected and what he does with the money ? Those are the real questions.

SHALOM!

Back in the dark ages the Catholics invented all kinds of ways to have a guiltless time sinning.[quote]

REALLY? Name three! 

[quote]Indulge today, tomorrow we need to abstain.  In the middle ages the Catholic invention of indulgences was a real moneymaker.  Indulgences could be purchased.  Go ahead and sin as long as you pay us $ we will be happy to grant you forgiveness.

You only know about "INDULGENCES."

The moneychangers of the Jewish temple are needing a good whipping again. Nigerian and American false churches teach that  if you don't pay your minimum 10% you are in sin . This doctrine is not unique to these churches but is common in Christian circles today.

TITHING is important.

Everything one has should be tithed.

YAHSHUA COMMANDED IT.

. LUKE 11:37-42.

37. And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him
to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat.
38. And when the Pharisee saw it,
he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.
39. And the Lord said unto him,
"Now do ye Pharisees make clean
the outside of the cup and the platter;
but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
40. "Ye fools, did not He that made that which is without
make that which is within also?
41. "But rather give alms of such things as ye have;
and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
42. "But woe unto you, Pharisees!
for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs,
and pass over Judgment and The Love of God:
these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone."

. LUKE 18:9-14.

9. And he spake this Parable unto certain
which trusted in themselves that they were Righteous,
and despised others:
10. Two men went up into the Temple to pray;
the one a Pharisee,
and the other a publican.
11. The Pharisee stood
and prayed thus with himself,

'GOD, I THANK THEE,
THAT I AM NOT AS OTHER MEN ARE,
EXTORTIONERS, UNJUST, ADULTERERS,
OR EVEN AS THIS PUBLICAN.
12. 'I FAST TWICE IN THE WEEK,
I GIVE TITHES OF ALL THAT I POSSESS.'

13. And the publican,
standing afar off,
would not lift up so much
as his eyes unto Heaven,
but smote upon his breast,
saying,

'GOD BE MERCIFUL
TO ME A SINNER.'

14. "I tell you,

'THIS MAN WENT DOWN
TO HIS HOUSE JUSTIFIED
RATHER THAN THE OTHER:'

for every one
that exalteth himself
shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself
shall be exalted."

THE PHARISEES WERE THE MOST RIGHTEOUS JEWS- BUT YAHSHUA COMMANDED US TO BE EVEN MORE RIGHTEOUS THAN THEM, OR ELSE WE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

. MATTHEW 5:16-20.

16. “Let your light
so shine before men,
that they may see
your Good Works,
and glorify your Father
Which is in Heaven.
17. "Think not that I am come
to destroy The Law,
or The Prophets:
I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfil.
18. "For verily I say unto you,

'TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS,
ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE
SHALL IN NO WISE
PASS FROM THE LAW
TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.'

19. "Whosoever therefore
shall break one
of these least Commandments,
and shall teach men so,
he shall be called
The Least in The Kingdom of Heaven:
but whosoever shall do
and teach Them,
the same shall be called Great
in The Kingdom of Heaven.
20. "For I say unto you,

'THAT EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS
OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES,
YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.' "

You open with a useless attack on the long-debunked Roman Catholic Doctrine of INDULGENCES, to give us the idea that you are not a ROMAN CATHOLIC. But you must be, because THIS ATTACK ONLY INJURES PROTESTANT CHURCHES.

CUO BONO? Who BENEFITS from Tithing?

PROTESTANT CHURCHES!

Who who doesn't want Protestant Churches to receive MONEY?

ROMAN CATHOLICS!

QUOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM!

The sale of Indulgences taught = Pay $$ and you can get out of sin.

The tithe doctrine teaches = Pay $$ (minimum of 10%) or you are in sin.

THAT'S CORRECT!

Each doctrine extorts from the people.

There is NO COMPARISON between TITHING and INDULGENCES.

I never heard before that Indulgences were mandatory!

They were a gimmick to enable The Roman Catholic Church to raise money to build more Cathedrals.

TITHING IS COMMANDED BY GOD.

God BLESSES His Worshippers MATERIALLY.

If He doesn't, there is nothing to "Tithe!"

It took until the 19^th Century for Oyinbo Science to catch up to the fact that the average Human- that is to say, SINNER- uses only 10% of their mind. (This was proven by BORIS SIDIS and WILLIAM JAMES of HARVARD UNIVERSITY- look it up!) The ILLUMINATI has worked long and hard to keep this Knowledge from the PUBLIC DOMAIN- but they could not fool ALL of the people for ALL of the time.

Therefore, GOD DEMANDS a QUORUM of TEN RIGHTEOUS MEN to INTERCEDE with Him in the Judgment of a CITY.

. GENESIS 18:17-33.

17. And The LORD said,
"Shall I hide from Abraham
that Thing which I do;
18. "Seeing that Abraham shall surely
become a great and mighty nation,
and all the nations of the Earth
shall be blessed in him?
19. "For I know him,
that he will command his children
and his household after him,
and they shall keep The Way of The LORD,
to do justice and judgment;
that The LORD may bring upon Abraham
that which He hath spoken of him."
20. And The LORD said,
"Because the Cry
of Sodom and Gomorrah is great,
and because their Sin
is very grievous;
21. "I will go down now,
and see whether they have done
altogether according to the Cry of it,
which is come unto Me;
and if not,
I will know."
22. And the men turned their faces from thence,
and went toward Sodom:
but Abraham stood yet before The LORD.
23. And Abraham drew near,
and said,
"Wilt thou also
Destroy the Righteous
with the Wicked?"
24. "Peradventure there be fifty
Righteous within the city:
wilt thou also Destroy
and not spare the place
for the fifty Righteous
that are therein?
25. "That be far from Thee
to do after this manner,
to slay the Righteous
with the Wicked:
and that the Righteous
should be as the Wicked,
that be far from thee:
Shall not The Judge
of all the Earth
do Right?"
26. And The LORD said,
"If I find in Sodom
fifty Righteous within the city,
then I will Spare all the place
for their sakes."
27. And Abraham answered and said,
"Behold now,
I have taken upon me
to speak unto The LORD,
which am but dust and ashes:
28. "Peradventure there shall lack
five of the fifty Righteous:
wilt thou destroy all the city
for lack of five?"
And he said,
"If I find there forty and five,
I will not Destroy it."
29. And he spake unto him yet again,
and said,
"Peradventure there shall be
forty found there."
And He said,
"I will not do it for forty's sake."
30. And he said unto him,
"Oh let not the LORD be angry,
and I will speak:

'PERADVENTURE THERE SHALL THIRTY
BE FOUND THERE.' "

And He said,
"I will not do it,
if I find thirty there.
31. And he said,
"Behold now,
I have taken upon me
to speak unto The LORD:

'PERADVENTURE THERE SHALL BE
TWENTY FOUND THERE.' "

And He said,
"I will not Destroy it
for twenty's sake."
32. And he said,
"Oh let not The LORD be angry,
and I will speak yet but this once:

'PERADVENTURE TEN
SHALL BE FOUND THERE.' "

And He said,
"I will not Destroy it for ten's sake."
33. And The LORD went His Way,
as soon as He had left communing with Abraham:
and Abraham returned unto his place.

IF ORDINARY HUMANS USE ONLY 10% OF THEIR MINDS, IT MAKES SENSE THAT GOD REQUIRES TEN MEN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

A quorum of TEN MEN is called a MINYAN.

In JEWISH TRADITION, any Righteous endeavor can only be started by A FULL MINYAN.

A SYNAGOGUE can only be started by TEN MEN.

Traditionally, if Jews came to a new city, the first thing they would do was seek out its Synagogue.

If there were no Synagogue in the city, they would go to the banks of the river leading out of the city, to WEEP AND MOURN FOR THAT DOOMED CITY.

. PSALM 137:1-4.

BY the rivers of Babylon,
there we sat down,
yea, we wept,
when we remembered Zion.
2. We hanged our harps
upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3. For there they that carried us away captive
required of us a song;
and they that wasted us
required of us mirth,
saying,

"SING US ONE OF THE SONGS OF ZION."

4. How shall we sing The LORD's Song
in a strange land?

UNTIL THERE WERE TEN OF THEM.

Then they would REJOICE, because NOW they could BUILD THEIR SYNAGOGUE, and SAVE the City.

. MATTHEW 5:2-6.

2. And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3. "Blessed are the poor in spirit:
for theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven.
4. "Blessed are they that mourn:
for they shall be comforted.
5. "Blessed are the meek:
for they shall inherit the Earth.
6. "Blessed are they which do
hunger and thirst after Righteousness:
for they shall be filled."

THE TITHE IS A REMINDER THAT WE MUST USE MORE THAN JUST THE BASIC 10% CONSCIOUSNESS THAT SINNERS USE.

Guilt and fear are used to pry loose moneys from the simple and trusting.  This is nothing less than the fraudulent fleecing of the flock.  Mutton and wool are extracted by the tithe preachers of our generation just as the pope and his minions extracted from the catholics using the indulgences doctrine long ago.

But of course you would know nothing about what the Blessings of God upon the Faithful Worshipper who TITHES are- being so FULL OF HATE for YAHWEH GOD and ALL of His Worshippers.

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy Might.
6. And These Words,
Which I Command thee this Day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach them
diligently unto thy Children,
and shalt talk of them
when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

YAHWEH IS THE ONLY GOD WHO REQUIRES HIS WORSHIPPERS TO USE ALL OF THEIR MINDS AND ALL OF THEIR SOULS.

This is the Secret Meaning of THE TEN TALENTS Parable Teaching.

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matthew 25:1-46.)

10% TOTAL RECALL.
20% EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
30% TELEKINESIS.
40% TELEPORTATION.
50% TRANSLATION.
60-100% EVERLASTING LIFE.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

ANYONE WHO DOES NOT DEVELOP THE TALENTS shall be punished.

Pathetic !!!!!

The only "PATHETIC" one I am seeing here is YOU.

. MALACHI 3:6-12.

6. "For I am The LORD, I change not;
therefore ye Sons of Jacob are not consumed.
7. "Even from the days of your fathers
ye are gone away from Mine Ordinances,
and have not kept Them.
Return unto Me, and I will Return unto you,"
saith The LORD of Hosts.
But ye said,

"WHEREIN SHALL WE RETURN?"

8. Will a man rob God?
Yet ye have robbed Me.
But ye say

"WHEREIN HAVE WE ROBBED THEE?"

In Tithes and Offerings.
9. "Ye are cursed with a Curse:
for ye have robbed Me, even this whole Nation.
10. "Bring ye all the Tithes into The Storehouse,
that there may be Meat in Mine House,
and prove Me now herewith,"
saith the LORD of Hosts,
"if I will not open you The Windows of Heaven,
and pour you out a Blessing,
that there shall not be room enough to receive It.
11. "And I will rebuke the Devourer for your sakes,
and he shall not destroy the Fruits of your Ground;
neither shall your Vine cast her Fruit
before the Time in the Field,"
saith the LORD of Hosts.
12. "And all nations shall call you Blessed:
for ye shall be a Delightsome Land,"
saith The LORD of Hosts."

While Christians worldwide live in hunger with a beggarly existence , these preachers live in luxury , eating the fat of lambs and not leaving enough crumbs for the 'dogs' to feed on.

You are a LIAR who HATES and ENVIES the PROTESTANT PREACHERS for their PERCEIVED WEALTH- which they DULY EARNED.

. EXODUS 20:17.

17. "Thou shalt not covet
thy neighbour's house,
thou shalt not covet
thy neighbour's wife,
nor his manservant,
nor his maidservant,
nor his ox, nor his ass,
nor any thing
that is thy neighbour's."

YOU HATE PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS, BECAUSE THEY GIVE THEIR MONEY TO THE PROTESTANT PREACHERS YOU HATE.

You want to CONTROL their money, and STOP them from GIVING IT to WHOM THEY WANT.

That is COVETOUSNESS.

It is NOT YOUR MONEY- so what gives you the RIGHT to say how they should spend it?

EVERY ADULT HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR LOVED ONES.

Those who are responsible ensure that that happens.

Worship of God is supposed to enhance that.

A person with 100% of their Mind can do amazing things to earn themselves a living.

Christians in Poverty becomes such because of their acceptance of FALSE DOCTRINES.

. JOHN 15:1-8.

"I AM The True Vine,
and my Father is the Husbandman.
2. "Every branch in me
that beareth not fruit
He taketh away:
and every branch that beareth fruit,
He purgeth it,
that it may bring forth more fruit.
3. "Now ye are clean through the Word
which I have spoken unto you.
4. "Abide in me, and I in you.

'AS THE BRANCH CANNOT
BEAR FRUIT OF ITSELF,
EXCEPT IT ABIDE IN THE VINE;
NO MORE CAN YE,
EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME.'

5. "I am The Vine, ye are the Branches:

'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME,
AND I IN HIM,
THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH
MUCH FRUIT:'

for without me ye can do nothing.
6. "If a man abide not in me,
he is cast forth as a branch,
and is withered; and men gather them,
and cast them into The Fire,
and they are burned.
7. "If ye abide in me,
and my Words abide in you,
ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done unto you.
8. "Herein is my Father glorified,

'THAT YE BEAR MUCH FRUIT;'

so shall ye be my Disciples."

HOW MANY TITHE-PAYING CHRISTIANS HERE ARE "POOR?"

IF THE PREACHERS BECOME RICH FROM THEIR TITHING, WHY DON'T THOSE DISSATISFIED WITH THEIR LOT ALSO BECOME PREACHERS?

They have SHOWN them THE WAY..!

Wicked generation !!

HELLO, FELLOW GENERATION MEMBER!

May God have mercy and deliver his flock from these false shepherds.

The only FALSE SHEPHERD I am seeing here right now is YOU!