| See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 12:23am On Jul 07, 2023 |
GENESIS 2:15
[AKJV]
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
[AMP]
So the Lord God took the man [He had made] and settled him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it.
Please understand these:
The Lord God did not bring the man into the Garden just to enjoy and have fun, eat and rest or play inside the Garden. Rather He brought the man into the Garden basically to Work.
Purpose
To work, earned Adam entrance into paradise. Adam did not work for it but by grace was he saved or placed into the Garden, but to work. We are not saved by our works but by grace through faith, not of works; however we are saved to work (Good-Works)
[Ephesians 2:8-10] — "For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them when saved."
You don't have to work for you to be saved, but you are saved to work out your salvation or bear fruits. Many Christians are lacking in this aspect, and Adam failed in this first assignment of God to him and for which he was brought into the Garden to do.
Supposing I am a poor man looking at a very giant Castle of the rich ruler, with great feast and attractions going on inside there, but I am neither invited nor worthy to go through the gates inside. How do get into that Castle or Organization without trespassing? It's by simply getting hired to do menial but crucial works for them, e.g. Gardening Services, Cleaning Services, House Keeping, etc, even though it's like the lowest grade of work. Is that not the job Adam was employed to do, employed as mere Gardener, Housekeeper, Cleaner, etc for the great Garden of Eden?
Adam was not employed as Director or higher grade Officer into the Garden, but employed as either Gardener, Gatekeeper or Cleaner, as one of those lower grade of workers in a reputable organization or large household. Eve, the most beautiful Woman on earth married Adam, a man that was a mere Gardener or Garden Keeper, who was neither the owner of the garden nor was he one of the top staff there. Infact, Adam was under rule to not touch or eat something there according to He who employed him; and the penalty for breaking that rule will not just get Adam fired or sacked from there, but will even get Adam to die because of breaking that rule. And Adam agreed to abide by that terms and conditions to work in that Garden or Organization.
Who was that woman that saw the Lord Jesus Christ as a Gardener, and did not even bother to greet Him but even assumed He was the one that stole the Body of Jesus away from the Tomb or He knew where the Body was kept; but as soon as the supposed "Gardener" called her by name, she realized He was the Lord and called Him, "Rabboni?" She looked down at a Gardener.
My illustration is that, for me to get into that large Company, castle or Organization, I should rather seek for those humble work or services to be employed there, just to have access into there. Not seeking the higher grade jobs at first instance. Perhaps, when I am inside there as a mere gardener or cleaner, I could then reapply for upgrade or higher positions there at vacancies.
In the top Bible verse above, God took and brought the man into the Garden, not because He prepared a table for the man to eat and drink as a feast invitation but, because He was employing the man to do work for Him in His Garden. That is how the Kingdom of God is, as a God or a Man who is recruiting workers into His Garden, Paradise or Vineyard. As it is written,
[Matthew 20:1-2] — "For the kingdom of the heavens is like to a man, a master of a house, who went out in the morning to hire workmen for his vineyard. And having agreed with the workmen on a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard."
Did you see how those laborers or workmen gained access into that man's vineyard through getting hired to work there? That's part of how the Kingdom of Heaven operates in allowing people access. Your works matter, and your works should follow you when you enter, even when your properties would not follow you when you die. You would be amazed at how meticulous our God is, and very Wise in His dealings.
Make yourself relevant in the household of God, and make sure you are employed or offering services that God respects.
Do not see eternity in heaven/earth as just singing and praising God for eternity; for Eternal Life is eternal Rest full of Activities and Works called "Wonders." So there will still be works to do, or doing Wonders and Glorious Deeds for eternity. Ecclesiastes stated that whatever God does is eternal, and man can neither add nor subtract from what God has done and finished (Ecclesiastes 3:14). But to make men relevant in working with God, He chose men to work on whatever He had worked or done. God planted the Garden right? And yet God wanted man to dress and keep it. The Lord said it's finished right? And yet the Lord called men to build on His finished works. God completed the heavens and earth, with the hosts of them on the sixth day right? And yet He called men to replenish the earth and develop it. He made all the animals right? And yet brought them for Adam to name them. He planted the Vineyard as the Owner right? And yet sought workers to work on His Vineyard.
Later you will understand that God wants men to retouch all the works God created and made including retouching angels, stars, heavenly things, so that all things will come to the state where it will be said of them, "Both God and Men worked them together." Men are God's Coworkers. So bear in mind that your entering into heaven, into paradise etc, is to work and to walk with the Lord in His Household. It's an employment or "High Calling." Those who were faithful in handling their Master's Five Talents were given a higher calling of managing five or ten cities; and those faithful in working two talents were exalted to high calling of working over two cities. Basically, the joys they entered were promotions to working at higher levels over greater things.
The reason I said Adam failed in this first calling of God to man to work in paradise or Garden of God:
I have not seen any scripture that said Adam did or fulfilled those duties of dressing and keeping the Garden. The top Bible verse above only mentioned the Works as Purpose or Calling for Adam into the Garden, but did not mention anywhere else that Adam fulfilled or finished that course/assignment. But in the second assignment given to Adam in the Garden, pertaining to naming the animals, Adam finished that assignment and completed it.
Adam was to dress and keep the Garden, but Adam lost the Garden and obviously did not keep it. A Cherub (angel) and flaming sword was later reassigned or made to replace Adam in the calling of keeping the Garden after Adam was sacked/fired. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Techobeys: 12:09pm On Jul 07, 2023 |
How did you start something beautiful and destroy it with your false doctrine? Adam didn’t need to be saved bc he was never in bondage. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by sonmvayina(m): 12:14pm On Jul 07, 2023 |
Stop looking at the scriptures with your physical eyes..
They are not literal stories.... |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 4:50pm On Jul 07, 2023 |
Techobeys:
How did you start something beautiful and destroy it with your false doctrine? Adam didn’t need to be saved bc he was never in bondage. [John 8:33] — "They answered unto Him, “We are Abraham’s seed, and to no one ever have we been under bondage. How do You say, ‘You will become free’?”"As soon as Adam became a living soul, he came alive but on a ground that had no plant or food because God had not caused Rain to fall, and so there was famine. Bringing Adam into the Garden was salvation or deliverance from the ground where he was taken from. It's like taking Israel into Egypt or Goshen to escape the famine during Joseph's era. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 4:54pm On Jul 07, 2023 |
sonmvayina:
Stop looking at the scriptures with your physical eyes..
They are not literal stories.... Never stop looking at the scriptures both with physical eyes and spiritual eyes. Every Story in the Book of Genesis is both literal and significant. They were all real and factual as your breath in your nostrils. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by sonmvayina(m): 7:50pm On Jul 07, 2023 |
PCHC:
Never stop looking at the scriptures both with physical eyes and spiritual eyes. Every Story in the Book of Genesis is both literal and significant. They were all real and factual as your breath in your nostrils. Them you will NEVER know anything... The letter killeth, do you know what it means? |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Techobeys: 8:00pm On Jul 07, 2023 |
This makes sense. But the idea you want to sell around it is false. We’re not saved by grace alone. That’s a false doctrine. “We’re saved by grace through faith is the right citation” grace is effected through faith by faith. Grace is not wasted, grace is not available for the laziness. But for the diligent. It’s the grace that helps them do the will of God. Bc man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God. In the case of Adam, he was never saved. He was put into position for salvation but he didn’t achieve it. He died despite the fact that salvation was available. He didn’t become the plan of God. He didn’t grow into the image of God and that’s why he sinned whereas those born of God cannot sin as God cannot sin. Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved. This is why I said your faith alone idea that you want to sell is false. Bc those who think like that shall never be saved at the end. Grace is available to do will of God and salvation happens through that. Grace is not not to available for those who stay lazy while claiming that they’re already saved. PCHC:
[John 8:33] — "They answered unto Him, “We are Abraham’s seed, and to no one ever have we been under bondage. How do You say, ‘You will become free’?”"
As soon as Adam became a living soul, he came alive but on a ground that had no plant or food because God had not caused Rain to fall, and so there was famine. Bringing Adam into the Garden was salvation or deliverance from the ground where he was taken from. It's like taking Israel into Egypt or Goshen to escape the famine during Joseph's era.
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| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 2:42am On Jul 08, 2023 |
Replying to cancel or correct: sonmvayina:
[s]Them you will NEVER know anything...[/s]
The letter killeth, do you know what it means? Even God kills and yet gives life. The Letter kills but the spirit of the Letter that kills also gives life. No one gets killed by reading the stories, histories and truths, in the Bible Genesis literally or physically. The "Letter that kills" is not the Letter of the book of Genesis, which is scriptures. Read and search the scriptures, in them you may find eternal life because they testify of "Me" (the Lord Jesus Christ). Again, I earlier posited: Never stop looking at the scriptures both with physical eyes and spiritual eyes. Every Story in the Book of Genesis is both literal and significant. They were all real and factual as your breath in your nostrils. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Kobojunkie: 3:01am On Jul 08, 2023 |
PCHC:
■ [John 8:33] — "They answered unto Him, “We are Abraham’s seed, and to no one ever have we been under bondage. How do You say, ‘You will become free’?”"
■ As soon as Adam became a living soul, he came alive but on a ground that had no plant or food because God had not caused Rain to fall, and so there was famine. Bringing Adam into the Garden was salvation or deliverance from the ground where he was taken from. It's like taking Israel into Egypt or Goshen to escape the famine during Joseph's era.
In the first part of your response, you quoted the lie told by the Jews to assert what exactly?  31 So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
32 You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33 They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?
34 Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.
35 A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever.
36 So if the Son makes you free, you are really free.
37 I know you are Abraham’s descendants. But you want to kill me, because you don’t want to accept my teaching.
38 I am telling you what my Father has shown me. But you do what your father has told you.”
39 They said, “Our father is Abraham.”
Jesus said, “If you were really Abraham’s descendants, you would do what Abraham did.
40 I am someone who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.
41 So you are doing what your own father did.”
But they said, “We are not like children who never knew who their father was. God is our Father. He is the only Father we have.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me. I came from God, and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority. God sent me.
43 You don’t understand the things I say, because you cannot accept my teaching.
44 Your father is the devil. You belong to him. You want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning. He was always against the truth. There is no truth in him. He is like the lies he tells. Yes, the devil is a liar. He is the father of lies. That they, the Jews, were not in fact slaves to sin, as Jesus Christ had asserted that they indeed were? 2. Abegi! When God made man, the earth, birds, animals, land, etc., He certified them all Good by His quality control standard --- this was before Sin came into the picture---, so where and how did you find to add famine to God's standard of Good -ness? |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 4:56am On Jul 08, 2023 |
Replying to cancel or correct: Techobeys:
This makes sense.
[s]But the idea you want to sell around it is false.[/s] We’re not saved by grace alone. That’s a false doctrine. “We’re saved by grace through faith is the right citation” grace is effected through faith by faith.
Grace is not wasted, grace is not available for the laziness. But for the diligent. It’s the grace that helps them do the will of God. Bc man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God.
In the case of Adam, he was never saved. He was put into position for salvation but he didn’t achieve it. He died despite the fact that salvation was available. He didn’t become the plan of God. He didn’t grow into the image of God and that’s why he sinned whereas those born of God cannot sin as God cannot sin.
Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.
This is why I said your faith alone idea that you want to sell is false. Bc those who think like that shall never be saved at the end. Grace is available to do will of God and salvation happens through that. Grace is not not to available for those who stay lazy while claiming that they’re already saved.
1. To reply your first paragraph:Making sense is not the goal, but giving understanding and Inspiration are the goals here. Whether it makes sense or does not make sense, let there be understanding and Inspiration of God.
2. To reply your paragraph 2:I am not selling idea or selling truth, but giving understanding and Inspiration in truth. We buy the truth, but we don't sell the truth. Nothing is false in the entire message written by me under this topic, " See Why God brought Adam into the Garden" Here is the summary of it: A. Saved By What? " Saved By Grace through Faith ". ✓✓✓ B. Saved To What? " Saved To Work with/for God ". ✓✓✓ C. Saved By Work, "True or False"? False ✓✓✓ D. Saved To Work, "True or False"? True ✓✓✓ E. Is grace effected through faith and by faith? Grace does not need faith to be effected, but faith needs grace to be effective. Grace still works where there is no faith. ✓✓✓
*** Grace does not get wasted, but gets "used" or "unused." The lazy ones simply did not use all the grace available to them. He who had five talents and gained more five simply used all the grace he had diligently and faithfully. But the one with one talent did not even use the grace, and left the grace of God unused. But grace of God can never be wasted, unlike money that gets wasted. *** Both help each other: Grace helps people do the will of God, and the will of God also helps people work with grace. *** Who told you man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God? There's nothing in existence that does not obey, whether it has grace or not. When God commands, all things obey the Word of God, grace or no grace. Are you saying those who disobeyed God have excuse that there was no grace for them to obey God?
3. To reply your paragraph 3:***If Adam was never saved, then no man was ever saved. Whatever God did not do in Adam, God never did it in any man that descended from Adam. Adam is the first man in everything pertaining man. The first partaker to taste of all the grace and goodness of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Your own salvation depended on the salvation of Adam first. People die because Adam died, and people shall live again because Adam was raised from the dead. ***Did Adam died despite the fact that salvation was available? Are you assuming the Salvation available was the Tree of Life, which if he had eaten he will never have died? But the tree of life was not made available to him so that he might die and be saved through death. The Death of Adam was the path to his salvation, not the lost of salvation. It's like saying the death of Jesus Christ is the path to our salvation. After Adam sinned in the Garden, the "Tree of Life" and the "Salvation of Adam (Mankind)" became two opposing forces because of the state of Adam. If God allowed Adam eat of the tree of life, Adam would live forever and never die; but that will also mean Adam will never be saved from sin or attain salvation. So God driving Adam away from the tree of life, to make Adam die, was actually God bringing Adam into the path to Salvation. Death is the way both the first Adam and second Adam (Jesus Christ) procured Salvation. ***Adam did not become the plan of God, but the Plan of God became Adam (Second Adam). ***Adam was made in the image of God, and never needed to grow into the image of God, but to grow in the likeness of God. Indeed those born of God cannot sin but they choose, because they have freewill; and so was Adam. Adam was not deceived as Eve was, when he sinned because Adam was in the image of God unlike Eve that was in the image of Adam or female to Adam. Adam's sin was not a doubt to his being born of God or bearing the image of God; rather Adam's sin was a deliberate choice of choosing to listen to his wife more than God. Adam, a son of God, chose Woman above God, just as the sons of God (Angels) chose the daughters of men (wives) above their holiness and estate in heaven. Again, being Born of God removes the excuse that one is weak to refuse sin or cannot do without sinning as fishes cannot do without water. Nevertheless, those born of God are not robots programmed never to sin, because they have their own minds, volition and choices, to have some degree of freedom or independence to express their love for God especially when they have to choose between God and some other things they really love besides God. ✓✓✓
Yes, no doubt that Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. But there's error in saying, Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved. Moses heard the word of God, and yet disobeyed it by striking the Rock twice: does that mean Moses was not saved? God saves sinners: Paul was a chief of sinners and yet God kept saving Paul (1 Timothy 1:15). God saving a man does mean the man is righteous or obedient, but means God is merciful and gracious. It's for His mercies we are not consumed, not for our righteousness or obedience. Infact, those God will destroy are those God once saved. There's no man or woman that God destroyed or will destroy that did not have a history of God saving him or her from something or some danger before. Including Sodom and Gomorrah, which God saved before God destroyed. As it is written, [Jude 1:5] — "Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe." Stop having issues disagreeing with the realities of God saving Adam. God began saving Adam as soon as God formed Adam from the ground and made him a living soul. He was not just a living soul, but a life saved which is known as Survived or Revived. Even after Adam had sinned and God cursed the ground for his sake, God still saved Adam there by making for him "Coat of skins" to save him from the harsh climate change he was to be exposed to after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that exposed their unclothedness and vulnerabilities to high degrees. You don't know how much exposed to danger they would have been if God did not make for them those coats of skins. Try sleeping naked in an open ground without any house, building or shelter, but just your body on ground through out the night with cold freezing breeze at night and hot sun during the day, but you completely naked and exposed and alone among wild animals with no human beings anywhere on sight around. If you last seven days without God saving you, then you win this argument. That was how Adam would have been immediately God made him, but God rather saved Adam by taking him from the ground and exposure being naked and put him into the Garden, where being naked did not mean exposure to any danger. That was act of saving Adam. Then again, when God would return Adam back to the ground where He took Adam naked, God saved Adam by clothing him before sending him out. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 5:23am On Jul 08, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:
In the first part of your response, you quoted the lie told by the Jews to assert what exactly?
That they, the Jews, were not in fact slaves to sin, as Jesus Christ had asserted that they indeed were?
2. Abegi! When God made man, the earth, birds, animals, land, etc., He certified them all Good by His quality control standard --- this was before Sin came into the picture---, so where and how did you find to add famine to God's standard of Good -ness? Salvation or Deliverance began long before sin began. And long after sin and death is forever gone, salvation, deliverance and healings shall continue to be needed. That's why even in the new heaven and new earth, or in eternal life, there will still be the Tree of Life, and the leaves of that Tree of Life Will be used for Healing of the nations, when there's neither sin nor death. There was tree of life in the Garden, because man needed that Tree of Life for immortality. When everything God made was good, man still needed to be saved by God because man was naked and could not have survived that ground from where he was taken or saved from. And when God was to return the man back to the ground where he was taken, God new the man would not survive long there without getting clothed by God first with the coats of skins. When God said the man will die the day he eats of the forbidden Tree, it does not mean God will kill the man, but means the man will be returned to the ground where God saved or took him from. That ground will be the thing to cause the man to die, or the man will slowly be returning to the dust of the same ground because the man was dust in the first place. The nature of man by default meant he would die, even from the day God created them male and female; which was the reason God made the female or wife for him and blessed him to be fruitful and multiply. God did not make wives for angels because they do not die, but He made wives for mankind because they would die and so they needed to procreate like other animals. So the need for salvation, deliverance, healings and preservation, existed long before sin and death entered. God made herbs or medicines because they would save man, and fruits/food too will save man. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Techobeys: 12:05pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
PCHC:
Replying to cancel or correct:
1. To reply your first paragraph:
Making sense is not the goal, but giving understanding and Inspiration are the goals here. Whether it makes sense or does not make sense, let there be understanding and Inspiration of God.
2. To reply your paragraph 2:
I am not selling idea or selling truth, but giving understanding and Inspiration in truth. We buy the truth, but we don't sell the truth.
Nothing is false in the entire message written by me under this topic, "See Why God brought Adam into the Garden" Here is the summary of it:
A. Saved By What? " Saved By Grace through Faith ". ✓✓✓
B. Saved To What? " Saved To Work with/for God ". ✓✓✓
C. Saved By Work, "True or False"? False ✓✓✓
D. Saved To Work, "True or False"? True ✓✓✓
E. Is grace effected through faith and by faith? Grace does not need faith to be effected, but faith needs grace to be effective. Grace still works where there is no faith. ✓✓✓
*** Grace does not get wasted, but gets "used" or "unused." The lazy ones simply did not use all the grace available to them. He who had five talents and gained more five simply used all the grace he had diligently and faithfully. But the one with one talent did not even use the grace, and left the grace of God unused. But grace of God can never be wasted, unlike money that gets wasted.
*** Both help each other: Grace helps people do the will of God, and the will of God also helps people work with grace.
*** Who told you man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God? There's nothing in existence that does not obey, whether it has grace or not. When God commands, all things obey the Word of God, grace or no grace. Are you saying those who disobeyed God have excuse that there was no grace for them to obey God?
3. To reply your paragraph 3:
***If Adam was never saved, then no man was ever saved. Whatever God did not do in Adam, God never did it in any man that descended from Adam. Adam is the first man in everything pertaining man. The first partaker to taste of all the grace and goodness of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Your own salvation depended on the salvation of Adam first. People die because Adam died, and people shall live again because Adam was raised from the dead.
***Did Adam died despite the fact that salvation was available? Are you assuming the Salvation available was the Tree of Life, which if he had eaten he will never have died? But the tree of life was not made available to him so that he might die and be saved through death. The Death of Adam was the path to his salvation, not the lost of salvation. It's like saying the death of Jesus Christ is the path to our salvation. After Adam sinned in the Garden, the "Tree of Life" and the "Salvation of Adam (Mankind)" became two opposing forces because of the state of Adam. If God allowed Adam eat of the tree of life, Adam would live forever and never die; but that will also mean Adam will never be saved from sin or attain salvation. So God driving Adam away from the tree of life, to make Adam die, was actually God bringing Adam into the path to Salvation. Death is the way both the first Adam and second Adam (Jesus Christ) procured Salvation.
***Adam did not become the plan of God, but the Plan of God became Adam (Second Adam).
***Adam was made in the image of God, and never needed to grow into the image of God, but to grow in the likeness of God. Indeed those born of God cannot sin but they choose, because they have freewill; and so was Adam. Adam was not deceived as Eve was, when he sinned because Adam was in the image of God unlike Eve that was in the image of Adam or female to Adam. Adam's sin was not a doubt to his being born of God or bearing the image of God; rather Adam's sin was a deliberate choice of choosing to listen to his wife more than God. Adam, a son of God, chose Woman above God, just as the sons of God (Angels) chose the daughters of men (wives) above their holiness and estate in heaven. Again, being Born of God removes the excuse that one is weak to refuse sin or cannot do without sinning as fishes cannot do without water. Nevertheless, those born of God are not robots programmed never to sin, because they have their own minds, volition and choices, to have some degree of freedom or independence to express their love for God especially when they have to choose between God and some other things they really love besides God.
✓✓✓
Yes, no doubt that Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. But there's error in saying, Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.
Moses heard the word of God, and yet disobeyed it by striking the Rock twice: does that mean Moses was not saved?
God saves sinners: Paul was a chief of sinners and yet God kept saving Paul (1 Timothy 1:15). God saving a man does mean the man is righteous or obedient, but means God is merciful and gracious. It's for His mercies we are not consumed, not for our righteousness or obedience. Infact, those God will destroy are those God once saved. There's no man or woman that God destroyed or will destroy that did not have a history of God saving him or her from something or some danger before. Including Sodom and Gomorrah, which God saved before God destroyed. As it is written,
[Jude 1:5] — "Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe."
Stop having issues disagreeing with the realities of God saving Adam. God began saving Adam as soon as God formed Adam from the ground and made him a living soul. He was not just a living soul, but a life saved which is known as Survived or Revived. Even after Adam had sinned and God cursed the ground for his sake, God still saved Adam there by making for him "Coat of skins" to save him from the harsh climate change he was to be exposed to after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that exposed their unclothedness and vulnerabilities to high degrees. You don't know how much exposed to danger they would have been if God did not make for them those coats of skins. Try sleeping naked in an open ground without any house, building or shelter, but just your body on ground through out the night with cold freezing breeze at night and hot sun during the day, but you completely naked and exposed and alone among wild animals with no human beings anywhere on sight around. If you last seven days without God saving you, then you win this argument.
That was how Adam would have been immediately God made him, but God rather saved Adam by taking him from the ground and exposure being naked and put him into the Garden, where being naked did not mean exposure to any danger. That was act of saving Adam. Then again, when God would return Adam back to the ground where He took Adam naked, God saved Adam by clothing him before sending him out.
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| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Techobeys: 12:15pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
The talk about Adam being saved is false. Grace was available but Adam refused grace through faithlessness manifested through disobedience. The talk about grace working outside faith is also false bc grace only works through faith, And faithlessness goes against grace. Without faith, it’s impossible to please God. The will of God is for all men to be saved but without faith, none shall be saved. You’re corrupting your message when you try to sell your own Ideas as the truth. Hyper grace gospel is false. You need to see this my friend PCHC:
Replying to cancel or correct:
1. To reply your first paragraph:
Making sense is not the goal, but giving understanding and Inspiration are the goals here. Whether it makes sense or does not make sense, let there be understanding and Inspiration of God.
2. To reply your paragraph 2:
I am not selling idea or selling truth, but giving understanding and Inspiration in truth. We buy the truth, but we don't sell the truth.
Nothing is false in the entire message written by me under this topic, "See Why God brought Adam into the Garden" Here is the summary of it:
A. Saved By What? " Saved By Grace through Faith ". ✓✓✓
B. Saved To What? " Saved To Work with/for God ". ✓✓✓
C. Saved By Work, "True or False"? False ✓✓✓
D. Saved To Work, "True or False"? True ✓✓✓
E. Is grace effected through faith and by faith? Grace does not need faith to be effected, but faith needs grace to be effective. Grace still works where there is no faith. ✓✓✓
*** Grace does not get wasted, but gets "used" or "unused." The lazy ones simply did not use all the grace available to them. He who had five talents and gained more five simply used all the grace he had diligently and faithfully. But the one with one talent did not even use the grace, and left the grace of God unused. But grace of God can never be wasted, unlike money that gets wasted.
*** Both help each other: Grace helps people do the will of God, and the will of God also helps people work with grace.
*** Who told you man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God? There's nothing in existence that does not obey, whether it has grace or not. When God commands, all things obey the Word of God, grace or no grace. Are you saying those who disobeyed God have excuse that there was no grace for them to obey God?
3. To reply your paragraph 3:
***If Adam was never saved, then no man was ever saved. Whatever God did not do in Adam, God never did it in any man that descended from Adam. Adam is the first man in everything pertaining man. The first partaker to taste of all the grace and goodness of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Your own salvation depended on the salvation of Adam first. People die because Adam died, and people shall live again because Adam was raised from the dead.
***Did Adam died despite the fact that salvation was available? Are you assuming the Salvation available was the Tree of Life, which if he had eaten he will never have died? But the tree of life was not made available to him so that he might die and be saved through death. The Death of Adam was the path to his salvation, not the lost of salvation. It's like saying the death of Jesus Christ is the path to our salvation. After Adam sinned in the Garden, the "Tree of Life" and the "Salvation of Adam (Mankind)" became two opposing forces because of the state of Adam. If God allowed Adam eat of the tree of life, Adam would live forever and never die; but that will also mean Adam will never be saved from sin or attain salvation. So God driving Adam away from the tree of life, to make Adam die, was actually God bringing Adam into the path to Salvation. Death is the way both the first Adam and second Adam (Jesus Christ) procured Salvation.
***Adam did not become the plan of God, but the Plan of God became Adam (Second Adam).
***Adam was made in the image of God, and never needed to grow into the image of God, but to grow in the likeness of God. Indeed those born of God cannot sin but they choose, because they have freewill; and so was Adam. Adam was not deceived as Eve was, when he sinned because Adam was in the image of God unlike Eve that was in the image of Adam or female to Adam. Adam's sin was not a doubt to his being born of God or bearing the image of God; rather Adam's sin was a deliberate choice of choosing to listen to his wife more than God. Adam, a son of God, chose Woman above God, just as the sons of God (Angels) chose the daughters of men (wives) above their holiness and estate in heaven. Again, being Born of God removes the excuse that one is weak to refuse sin or cannot do without sinning as fishes cannot do without water. Nevertheless, those born of God are not robots programmed never to sin, because they have their own minds, volition and choices, to have some degree of freedom or independence to express their love for God especially when they have to choose between God and some other things they really love besides God.
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Yes, no doubt that Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. But there's error in saying, Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.
Moses heard the word of God, and yet disobeyed it by striking the Rock twice: does that mean Moses was not saved?
God saves sinners: Paul was a chief of sinners and yet God kept saving Paul (1 Timothy 1:15). God saving a man does mean the man is righteous or obedient, but means God is merciful and gracious. It's for His mercies we are not consumed, not for our righteousness or obedience. Infact, those God will destroy are those God once saved. There's no man or woman that God destroyed or will destroy that did not have a history of God saving him or her from something or some danger before. Including Sodom and Gomorrah, which God saved before God destroyed. As it is written,
[Jude 1:5] — "Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe."
Stop having issues disagreeing with the realities of God saving Adam. God began saving Adam as soon as God formed Adam from the ground and made him a living soul. He was not just a living soul, but a life saved which is known as Survived or Revived. Even after Adam had sinned and God cursed the ground for his sake, God still saved Adam there by making for him "Coat of skins" to save him from the harsh climate change he was to be exposed to after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that exposed their unclothedness and vulnerabilities to high degrees. You don't know how much exposed to danger they would have been if God did not make for them those coats of skins. Try sleeping naked in an open ground without any house, building or shelter, but just your body on ground through out the night with cold freezing breeze at night and hot sun during the day, but you completely naked and exposed and alone among wild animals with no human beings anywhere on sight around. If you last seven days without God saving you, then you win this argument.
That was how Adam would have been immediately God made him, but God rather saved Adam by taking him from the ground and exposure being naked and put him into the Garden, where being naked did not mean exposure to any danger. That was act of saving Adam. Then again, when God would return Adam back to the ground where He took Adam naked, God saved Adam by clothing him before sending him out.
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| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Techobeys: 12:32pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
Another error I see is when you said people shall be saved bc Adam was raised from the dead. That’s a huge error my friend. Yes, people die bc Adam died but people are alive bc Christ is alive. Adam was dead from the beginning and he’s still dead today . But Christ is alive, so we live in Christ. We who were born through Adam have been reborn through Christ. PCHC:
Replying to cancel or correct:
1. To reply your first paragraph:
Making sense is not the goal, but giving understanding and Inspiration are the goals here. Whether it makes sense or does not make sense, let there be understanding and Inspiration of God.
2. To reply your paragraph 2:
I am not selling idea or selling truth, but giving understanding and Inspiration in truth. We buy the truth, but we don't sell the truth.
Nothing is false in the entire message written by me under this topic, "See Why God brought Adam into the Garden" Here is the summary of it:
A. Saved By What? " Saved By Grace through Faith ". ✓✓✓
B. Saved To What? " Saved To Work with/for God ". ✓✓✓
C. Saved By Work, "True or False"? False ✓✓✓
D. Saved To Work, "True or False"? True ✓✓✓
E. Is grace effected through faith and by faith? Grace does not need faith to be effected, but faith needs grace to be effective. Grace still works where there is no faith. ✓✓✓
*** Grace does not get wasted, but gets "used" or "unused." The lazy ones simply did not use all the grace available to them. He who had five talents and gained more five simply used all the grace he had diligently and faithfully. But the one with one talent did not even use the grace, and left the grace of God unused. But grace of God can never be wasted, unlike money that gets wasted.
*** Both help each other: Grace helps people do the will of God, and the will of God also helps people work with grace.
*** Who told you man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God? There's nothing in existence that does not obey, whether it has grace or not. When God commands, all things obey the Word of God, grace or no grace. Are you saying those who disobeyed God have excuse that there was no grace for them to obey God?
3. To reply your paragraph 3:
***If Adam was never saved, then no man was ever saved. Whatever God did not do in Adam, God never did it in any man that descended from Adam. Adam is the first man in everything pertaining man. The first partaker to taste of all the grace and goodness of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Your own salvation depended on the salvation of Adam first. People die because Adam died, and people shall live again because Adam was raised from the dead.
***Did Adam died despite the fact that salvation was available? Are you assuming the Salvation available was the Tree of Life, which if he had eaten he will never have died? But the tree of life was not made available to him so that he might die and be saved through death. The Death of Adam was the path to his salvation, not the lost of salvation. It's like saying the death of Jesus Christ is the path to our salvation. After Adam sinned in the Garden, the "Tree of Life" and the "Salvation of Adam (Mankind)" became two opposing forces because of the state of Adam. If God allowed Adam eat of the tree of life, Adam would live forever and never die; but that will also mean Adam will never be saved from sin or attain salvation. So God driving Adam away from the tree of life, to make Adam die, was actually God bringing Adam into the path to Salvation. Death is the way both the first Adam and second Adam (Jesus Christ) procured Salvation.
***Adam did not become the plan of God, but the Plan of God became Adam (Second Adam).
***Adam was made in the image of God, and never needed to grow into the image of God, but to grow in the likeness of God. Indeed those born of God cannot sin but they choose, because they have freewill; and so was Adam. Adam was not deceived as Eve was, when he sinned because Adam was in the image of God unlike Eve that was in the image of Adam or female to Adam. Adam's sin was not a doubt to his being born of God or bearing the image of God; rather Adam's sin was a deliberate choice of choosing to listen to his wife more than God. Adam, a son of God, chose Woman above God, just as the sons of God (Angels) chose the daughters of men (wives) above their holiness and estate in heaven. Again, being Born of God removes the excuse that one is weak to refuse sin or cannot do without sinning as fishes cannot do without water. Nevertheless, those born of God are not robots programmed never to sin, because they have their own minds, volition and choices, to have some degree of freedom or independence to express their love for God especially when they have to choose between God and some other things they really love besides God.
✓✓✓
Yes, no doubt that Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. But there's error in saying, Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.
Moses heard the word of God, and yet disobeyed it by striking the Rock twice: does that mean Moses was not saved?
God saves sinners: Paul was a chief of sinners and yet God kept saving Paul (1 Timothy 1:15). God saving a man does mean the man is righteous or obedient, but means God is merciful and gracious. It's for His mercies we are not consumed, not for our righteousness or obedience. Infact, those God will destroy are those God once saved. There's no man or woman that God destroyed or will destroy that did not have a history of God saving him or her from something or some danger before. Including Sodom and Gomorrah, which God saved before God destroyed. As it is written,
[Jude 1:5] — "Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe."
Stop having issues disagreeing with the realities of God saving Adam. God began saving Adam as soon as God formed Adam from the ground and made him a living soul. He was not just a living soul, but a life saved which is known as Survived or Revived. Even after Adam had sinned and God cursed the ground for his sake, God still saved Adam there by making for him "Coat of skins" to save him from the harsh climate change he was to be exposed to after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that exposed their unclothedness and vulnerabilities to high degrees. You don't know how much exposed to danger they would have been if God did not make for them those coats of skins. Try sleeping naked in an open ground without any house, building or shelter, but just your body on ground through out the night with cold freezing breeze at night and hot sun during the day, but you completely naked and exposed and alone among wild animals with no human beings anywhere on sight around. If you last seven days without God saving you, then you win this argument.
That was how Adam would have been immediately God made him, but God rather saved Adam by taking him from the ground and exposure being naked and put him into the Garden, where being naked did not mean exposure to any danger. That was act of saving Adam. Then again, when God would return Adam back to the ground where He took Adam naked, God saved Adam by clothing him before sending him out.
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| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Maynmann: 1:04pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
The images of elohim were created to till and guard the garden, but after eve and adam ate the fruit they became like one of the elohim, they could create their own garden. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by OkCornel(m): 5:06pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
Critical question?: where did God bring man from to place in the garden of Eden?
From Africa (Alkebulan), the cradle of mankind? 🤔
Just thinking out loud. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Maynmann: 5:43pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
there can be no indigenous ”original name” for africa. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Maynmann: 5:45pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
OkCornel:
Critical question?: where did God bring man from to place in the garden of Eden?
From Africa (Alkebulan), the cradle of mankind? 🤔
Just thinking out loud. Alkebulan was drawn from an Arabic word and does not appear in any indigenous African language and there can be no indigenous ”original name” for africa. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by OkCornel(m): 6:18pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
Maynmann:
Alkebulan was drawn from an Arabic word and does not appear in any indigenous African language and there can be no indigenous ”original name” for africa. Question remains unanswered though |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Maynmann: 6:18pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
OkCornel:
Question remains unanswered though Just clarifying the africa name from the jewish tale. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by OkCornel(m): 6:21pm On Jul 08, 2023 |
Maynmann:
Just clarifying the africa name from the jewish tale. 👌🏻 ok 1 Like |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Kobojunkie: 8:02pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
PCHC:
■ Salvation or Deliverance began long before sin began. And long after sin and death is forever gone, salvation, deliverance and healings shall continue to be needed. That's why even in the new heaven and new earth, or in eternal life, there will still be the Tree of Life, and the leaves of that Tree of Life Will be used for Healing of the nations, when there's neither sin nor death.
There was tree of life in the Garden, because man needed that Tree of Life for immortality.
When everything God made was good, man still needed to be saved by God because man was naked and could not have survived that ground from where he was taken or saved from. And when God was to return the man back to the ground where he was taken, God new the man would not survive long there without getting clothed by God first with the coats of skins.
When God said the man will die the day he eats of the forbidden Tree, it does not mean God will kill the man, but means the man will be returned to the ground where God saved or took him from. That ground will be the thing to cause the man to die, or the man will slowly be returning to the dust of the same ground because the man was dust in the first place.
The nature of man by default meant he would die, even from the day God created them male and female; which was the reason God made the female or wife for him and blessed him to be fruitful and multiply. God did not make wives for angels because they do not die, but He made wives for mankind because they would die and so they needed to procreate like other animals.
So the need for salvation, deliverance, healings and preservation, existed long before sin and death entered. God made herbs or medicines because they would save man, and fruits/food too will save man. So, what you are saying here is that God and Jesus Christ had it all entirely wrong from even the beginning? Even though God cleared all He created as good from the start, His plan was flawed from even its beginning? Oh, well! |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 10:20pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:
So, what you are saying here is that God and Jesus Christ had it all entirely wrong from even the beginning? Even though God cleared all He created as good from the start, His plan was flawed from even its beginning? Oh, well! No, rather I was implying God foresaw all things before they happened, and He already planned their solutions, answers, salvation, restoration and corrections, even before they came into being. Have you heard that the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world? Before the world began, God already provided the Salvation in Jesus Christ the Lamb of God. 1 Like |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Kobojunkie: 10:52pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
PCHC:
■ No, rather I was implying God foresaw all things before they happened, and He already planned their solutions, answers, salvation, restoration and corrections, even before they came into being.
■ Have you heard that the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world? Before the world began, God already provided the Salvation in Jesus Christ the Lamb of God. 1. God foreseeing things is one one thing. Asserting that man required deliverance from sin from even his creation is another thing entirely. 2. From that what I read is "Everyone living on earth would worship the beast. These are all the people since the beginning of the world whose names are not written in the Lamb’s book of life. The Lamb is the one who was killed." |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 11:20pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:
1. God foreseeing things is one one thing. Asserting that man required deliverance from sin from even his creation is another thing entirely.
2. From that what I read is "Everyone living on earth would worship the beast. These are all the people since the beginning of the world whose names are not written in the Lamb’s book of life. The Lamb is the one who was killed." Good, the Book of Life had been since the foundation of the world, and not every man that lived on earth was written in the Book of life from the foundation of the world. There are those planned to save in the Book of life, and those who were not. Also, read these Bible references in connection with God's Mystery of Salvation already working since the foundation of the world: Revelation 13:8 Revelation 17:8 Ephesians 1:4-5 Matthew 25:34 Acts 15:18 |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Kobojunkie: 11:24pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
PCHC:
■ Good, the Book of Life had been since the foundation of the world, and not every man that lived on earth was written in the Book of life from the foundation of the world. There are those planned to save in the Book of life, and those who were not.
■ Also, read these Bible references in connection with God's Mystery of Salvation already working since the foundation of the world:
Revelation 13:8
Revelation 17:8
Ephesians 1:4-5
Matthew 25:34
Acts 15:18 1. The foundation of what world is what you first need to understand before moving forward in this. 2. Reading clips from here and there will not deepen the confusion here. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by PCHC(m): 12:11am On Jul 12, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:
1. The foundation of what world is what you first need to understand before moving forward in this.
2. Reading clips from here and there will not deepen the confusion here. Foundation of this world means before the world began in the beginning. Before man was made. God already predestined all things pertaining Salvation and Eternal Life for mankind. Nothing happened by surprise or shock to God; but all things pertaining to human life and salvation were already foreseen and preordained. Before Adam was created and before he sinned, God already planned for salvation through Christ because God knew they would eventually fall. The Seed of the woman was already the agenda. God knows the end from the beginning. Just know that God is very Wise and Meticulous. Eyes have not seen, nor ears heard the things God made and prepared from the foundation of the world. He's the God of mysteries. You must believe. |
| Re: See Why God Brought Adam Into The Garden Of Eden by Kobojunkie: 12:22am On Jul 12, 2023 |
PCHC:
■ Foundation of this world means before the world began in the beginning. Before man was made. God already predestined all things pertaining Salvation and Eternal Life for mankind. Nothing happened by surprise or shock to God; but all things pertaining to human life and salvation were already foreseen and preordained. Before Adam was created and before he sinned, God already planned for salvation through Christ because God knew they would eventually fall. The Seed of the woman was already the agenda. God knows the end from the beginning. Just know that God is very Wise and Meticulous.
■ Eyes have not seen, nor ears heard the things God made and prepared from the foundation of the world. He's the God of mysteries. You must believe. 1. Not at all. I believe the world in this case is reference to the particular subset that Jesus Christ came to die for and save, the enemies of God that were put under His feet. . Again, God foreseeing things is one one thing. Asserting that man required Salvation from sin from even his creation is another thing entirely. God is indeed Meticulous and wise and God is not foolish. 2. Again, you need understand the world which He came to save here. |
