Lotanna2:
It is not a ground for disq

It is a crime when proven beyond reasonable doubt, hence, can result to disqualification (APC v Obaseki) per Agim JSC

Lotanna2:


True.the apex court once ruled that only forged documents relating to constitutional requirements of qualification can lead to disq

I have not seen that judgement though but I will reference you to two judgements:

1. The Court of Appeal in Isa Wabu v Mohammed Gololo

Lead Judgement: Bolokuromo Moses Ugo JCA

Background:
After losing the House of Reps election for Gamawa Federal Constituency in Bauchi State. Wabu approached the tribunal challenging Gololo's BSc, NYSC and MBA Certificates tendered. Gololo claimed he acquired his BSc and MBA from LASU.

Wabu called LASU & NYSC as witnesses, and the University testified they didn't issue that doc to Gololo and they also did not offer MBA within that period.

The tribunal ruled that as long as Gololo satisfied S65 by having his fslc and ssce, he had the basic constitutional requirements and cannot be disqualified. They cited the very controversial Agi v PDP. They, therefore, dismissed same for lacking in merit.

Wabu appealed, and the Court of Appeal sacked Gololo. They argued that S65 cannot overrun S66 (a disqualifying factor). That the appellant incontrovertibly proved that the documents were forged and was enough.

2. Supreme Court in Ibrahim Modibbo v Mustapha Usman.

Modibbo was supposed to be discharged on Oct 18, 2018 but he adjusted his Date of discharge to be Oct 03rd I think, so as to justify his winning the APC Primary on Oct 7.

The SC frowned at that and upheld the FHC judgement sacking him.

In Saleh v Abba: He was sacked because of a forged ND Certificate from Fed Poly, Mubi.
He already obtained his SSCE which was not disputed.

So, I believe what is indeed needed is unvarnished proof of forgery, but this Supreme Court.....


The only thing I will believe is that LP lawyers did not add "IN AID OF HIS QUALIFICATION" if they did well well ....

BigCowHornn:



This low mentality APC agent try to dey shut up sometimes. It makes people think you have since

No Valid point..

fergie001:

When it comes to criminal allegations like forgery, you must prove beyond any reasonable doubt. Issues of this nature is similar to the mathematical precision of 5 multiplied by 5 (5x5) equals 25, not 24.9999

The maker of that document will have to come to say yes, I made the mistake and gave it to him or I did not. I have seen Institutions even make mistakes of spelling surnames wrongly or even issues of DoB. Everything in your Certificate is a product of the maker of that document.

I have also not heard that any Institution issue a disclaimer ...

Okay.

So let’s assume your name is Ferguson Ekenedirichukwu Nwankwo and in an election you are contesting with me, you submitted a WAEC result with the name Peter Olisachukwu Ekeh to INEC without any supporting affidavit that the names belong to you, and I take you to court….

Are you telling me that if I don’t get WAEC to come testify in court, then the court will say that yes, the WAEC result is your own?

Wisfem:




No Valid point..

Just keep y9ur mouth shut instead of yarning dust. Your 40k a month will still come

Penguin2:

Okay.

So let’s assume your name is Ferguson Ekenedirichukwu Nwankwo and in an election you are contesting with me, you submitted a WAEC result with the name Peter Olisachukwu Ekeh to INEC without any supporting affidavit that the names belong to you, and I take you to court….

Are you telling me that if I don’t get WAEC to come testify in court, then the court will say that yes, the WAEC result is your own?

Are we not talking about Bola Ahmed Tinubu and Bola Adekunle Tinubu?

BigCowHornn:




Just keep y9ur mouth shut instead of yarning dust. Your 40k a month will still come

You can do better than this...

fergie001:

Are we not talking about Bola Ahmed Tinubu and Bola Adekunle Tinubu?

No. We are talking about the maker of a document testifying before anything about the document can be questioned.

Penguin2:

No. We are talking about the maker of a document testifying before anything about the document can be questioned.

That was why you brought three unrelated names when the bone of contention was the A?

Even number 7 of what bluntcrazeman wrote there was clear, I still don't know why you think a Certificate can be valid yet the gender invalid

Wisfem:





You can do better than this...

No valid point

fergie001:
It is a crime when proven beyond reasonable doubt, hence, can result to disqualification (APC v Obaseki) per Agim JSC


I have not seen that judgement though but I will reference you to two judgements:

1. The Court of Appeal in Isa Wabu v Mohammed Gololo

Lead Judgement: Bolokuromo Moses Ugo JCA

Background:
After losing the House of Reps election for Gamawa Federal Constituency in Bauchi State. Wabu approached the tribunal challenging Gololo's BSc, NYSC and MBA Certificates tendered. Gololo claimed he acquired his BSc and MBA from LASU.

Wabu called LASU & NYSC as witnesses, and the University testified they didn't issue that doc to Gololo and they also did not offer MBA within that period.

The tribunal ruled that as long as Gololo satisfied S65 by having his fslc and ssce, he had the basic constitutional requirements and cannot be disqualified. They cited the very controversial Agi v PDP. They, therefore, dismissed same for lacking in merit.

Wabu appealed, and the Court of Appeal sacked Gololo. They argued that S65 cannot overrun S66 (a disqualifying factor). That the appellant incontrovertibly proved that the documents were forged and was enough.

2. Supreme Court in Ibrahim Modibbo v Mustapha Usman.

Modibbo was supposed to be discharged on Oct 18, 2018 but he adjusted his Date of discharge to be Oct 03rd I think, so as to justify his winning the APC Primary on Oct 7.

The SC frowned at that and upheld the FHC judgement sacking him.

In Saleh v Abba: He was sacked because of a forged ND Certificate from Fed Poly, Mubi.
He already obtained his SSCE which was not disputed.

So, I believe what is indeed needed is unvarnished proof of forgery, but this Supreme Court.....


The only thing I will believe is that LP lawyers did not add "IN AID OF HIS QUALIFICATION" if they did well well ....

What of useni vs lalong 2019 and akinlade vs abiodun

Lotanna2:


True.the apex court once ruled that only forged documents relating to constitutional requirements of qualification can lead to disq

Why didn't you explain this to kemi Adeosun when she was thrown out of office?
Service is mandatory for any graduate under the age of 30 years. Failure of which is renders your degree invalid. Again, claiming you served and at the same time working in your state is a constitutional breach tantamount to you collecting double salaries.

Penguin2:

Lol! And his BSC having female gender on it is non-issue?

Is gender indicated on BSC or nysc? Are you seriously ok?

fergie001:

That was why you brought three unrelated names when the bone of contention was the A?

Even number 7 of what bluntcrazeman wrote there was clear, I still don't know why you think a Certificate can be valid yet the gender invalid

You seem to be missing my point….

The crux of my back and forth argument with you from my thread to this one is that I have been trying to tell you that there could be exceptions when the maker of the document is not required to appear in court. But you seem to have insisted that the maker of the document must appear in court at all times as far as anything regarding the certificate is dispute.

That’s why I tried to separate some facts for you.

1) A certificate can be authentic and valid but they are not yours.

What this means is that if we go to start verifying the documents, they would be authenticated and verified in the archives and records of the maker.

Now, if I were challenging the authenticity and validity of the document, that’s when I need to bring the maker to come say that even though this document bears your name in the right order, they can’t find it in their records; meaning it didn’t originate from them. That’s what you are seeing Mbah going through in Enugu right now. The document bears his correct name but didn’t originate from NYSC. Hence, it’s “inauthentic” and “invalid”.

2) I am not challenging the authenticity of the result. Meaning I accept that the result or document is valid and can be found on the archives of the issuer. But I’m asking the court to see that the name on the document is different from your own name or that while you are [b]man, the document (as certified by the issuer) belongs to a woman.

Now you are telling me that I still need the maker of the document to come tell the court that the name on the document varies from the name you have used all along elsewhere?

Or that they should also come to tell the court that the gender they are seeing boldly indicated as F truly originates from them or was a clerical mistake?

If it was a mistake, can the supposed owner show the step he has taken since 1979 towards correcting the appearance of female on his certificate even though he is male either in the form of affidavit or a letter written to the awarding institution to correct the “error?

telleyway:


Why didn't you explain this to kemi Adeosun when she was thrown out of office?
Service is mandatory for any graduate under the age of 30 years. Failure of which is renders your degree invalid. Again, claiming you served and at the same time working in your state is a constitutional breach tantamount to you collecting double salaries.

Nysc is not constitutional.in any case,I want lp to win Enugu but am saying that there's a small chance of the apex court ruling otherwise

Penguin2:

You seem to be missing my point….

The crux of my back and forth argument with you from my thread to this one is that I have been trying to tell you that there could be exceptions when the maker of the document is not required to appear in court. But you seem to have insisted that the maker of the document must appear in court at all times as far as anything regarding the certificate is dispute.

That’s why I tried to separate some facts for you.

1) A certificate can be authentic and valid but they are not yours.

What this means is that if we go to start verifying the documents, they would be authenticated and verified in the archives and records of the maker.

Now, if I were challenging the authenticity and validity of the document, that’s when I need to bring the maker to come say that even though this document bears your name in the right order, they can’t find it in their records; meaning it didn’t originate from them. That’s what you are seeing Mbah going through in Enugu right now. The document bears his correct name but didn’t originate from NYSC. Hence, it’s “inauthentic” and “invalid”.

2) I am not challenging the authenticity of the result. Meaning I accept that the result or document is valid and can be found on the archives of the issuer. But I’m asking the court to see that the name on the document is different from your own name or that while you are [b]man, the document (as certified by the issuer) belongs to a woman.

Now you are telling me that I still need the maker of the document to come tell the court that the name on the document varies from the name you have used all along elsewhere?

Or that they should also come to tell the court that the gender they are seeing boldly indicated as F truly originates from them or was a clerical mistake?

If it was a mistake, can the supposed owner show the step he has taken since 1979 towards correcting the appearance of female on his certificate even though he is male either in the form of affidavit or a letter written to the awarding institution to correct the “error?

Where is gender indicated here?

How come the usual Town criers are not trolling and dragging this Mba man

Lotanna2:


Where is gender indicated here?

If you think there’s no female anywhere as part of Tinubu’s problem at the Tribunal, you might as well save your breadth.

Penguin2:

If you think there’s no female anywhere as part of Tinubu’s problem at the Tribunal, you might as well save your breadth.

I repeat,you are losing it.i hope it doesn't lead to yabaleft but again, help me identify where gender is indicated.is your own cert having gender because mine does not?

Penguin2:

I have not been following the tribunal case because the outcome is obvious tbh but I had to do that now.....

Tinubu BSc is not in contention but the F gender is from South West College, an institution that aided his admission to CSU.

Now the witness, Eba, I understand also filed a suit against Tinubu, then Candidiate of the APC in November last year with the same allegations. Eba also claimed that the logo in Tinubu's Certificate was different from the original one, etc. He claimed that his friend, an Attorney who is based in Chicago, a Mr. Kowals sent him the transcripts.

Mr Kowals doesn't work in CSU but is based in Chicago (Eba affirmed in his affidavit). YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A LAWYER TO KNOW THERE IS NO PROBATIVE VALUE IN THIS 'EVIDENCE'. As long as CSU has confirmed that the man in our alumni calendar graduated here, that settles everything.

---

Let me buttress further, many years ago when my younger sis was to write UME, those were the days of Afribank. The pattern then was when afribank closes sales of forms, you have to go to the UME office at Ikoyi to get it, then fill and submit (this you can do even 2 days to the exam).

I left almost Badagry to Hawkworth Street 4 days to the exam, with the docs of about 5 persons (all males excepting my sis) to buy, fill and submit on the spot 4 days to the exam. I had unintentionally entered Male for her. It became a problem for her when she eventually got admitted at FUNAAB.

I think it was corrected prior to her SIWES defence.

(That is if we want to concede to maybe there is a truth in it... Courts don't do investigative journalism, they will go with what they have). It is the petitioner that needs the proving to do because they are the ones seeking declaratory reliefs.

---

In 1999, CSU confirmed that Bola Tinubu graduated from there.

Please be advised that Bola A. Tinubu did indeed attend Chicago State University from August 1977 through June 1979. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science Degree in Business and Administration with honours on June 22, 1979. His major was Accounting.”
This was from the then Registrar, Lois Davis in August 20, 1999.

Now in January 2022:
Mr Tinubu did attend our university, however, if further information is needed, go to studentclearinghouse.org website to make a formal request

This is from Beverly Poindexter who is in charge of official transcript requests, enrolment and degree verification at the Office of the Registrar in CSU.

In June 2022,
To whom it may concern

Please be advised that Bola. A. Tinubu attended Chicago State University from August 1977 – June 1979. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration with Honours on June 22, 1979. His major was accounting.

Caleb Westberg, is in charge of the office of Records and Registration, CSU

This should settle it.

fergie001:

I have not been following the tribunal case because the outcome is obvious tbh but I had to do that now.....

Tinubu BSc is not in contention but the F gender is from South West College, an institution that aided his admission to CSU.

Now the witness, Eba, I understand also filed a suit against Tinubu, then Candidiate of the APC in November last year with the same allegations. Eba also claimed that the logo in Tinubu's Certificate was different from the original one, etc. He claimed that his friend, an Attorney who is based in Chicago, a Mr. Kowals sent him the transcripts.

Mr Kowals doesn't work in CSU but is based in Chicago (Eba affirmed in his affidavit). YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A LAWYER TO KNOW THERE IS NO PROBATIVE VALUE IN THIS 'EVIDENCE'. As long as CSU has confirmed that the man in our alumni calendar graduated here, that settles everything.

---

Let me buttress further, many years ago when my younger sis was to write UME, those were the days of Afribank. The pattern then was when afribank closes sales of forms, you have to go to the UME office at Ikoyi to get it, then fill and submit (this you can do even 2 days to the exam).

I left almost Badagry to Hawkworth Street 4 days to the exam, with the docs of about 5 persons (all males excepting my sis) to buy, fill and submit on the spot 4 days to the exam. I had unintentionally entered Male for her. It became a problem for her when she eventually got admitted at FUNAAB.

I think it was corrected prior to her SIWES defence.

(That is if we want to concede to maybe there is a truth in it... Courts don't do investigative journalism, they will go with what they have). It is the petitioner that needs the proving to do because they are the ones seeking declaratory reliefs.

---

In 1999, CSU confirmed that Bola Tinubu graduated from there.

Please be advised that Bola A. Tinubu did indeed attend Chicago State University from August 1977 through June 1979. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science Degree in Business and Administration with honours on June 22, 1979. His major was Accounting.”
This was from the then Registrar, Lois Davis in August 20, 1999.

Now in January 2022:
Mr Tinubu did attend our university, however, if further information is needed, go to studentclearinghouse.org website to make a formal request

This is from Beverly Poindexter who is in charge of official transcript requests, enrolment and degree verification at the Office of the Registrar in CSU.

In June 2022,
To whom it may concern

Please be advised that Bola. A. Tinubu attended Chicago State University from August 1977 – June 1979. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration with Honours on June 22, 1979. His major was accounting.

Caleb Westberg, is in charge of the office of Records and Registration, CSU

This should settle it.

That boy would not rest.he needs something to grapple with.

fergie001:

I have not been following the tribunal case because the outcome is obvious tbh but I had to do that now.....

Tinubu BSc is not in contention but the F gender is from South West College, an institution that aided his admission to CSU.

Now the witness, Eba, I understand also filed a suit against Tinubu, then Candidiate of the APC in November last year with the same allegations. Eba also claimed that the logo in Tinubu's Certificate was different from the original one, etc. He claimed that his friend, an Attorney who is based in Chicago, a Mr. Kowals sent him the transcripts.

Mr Kowals doesn't work in CSU but is based in Chicago (Eba affirmed in his affidavit). YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A LAWYER TO KNOW THERE IS NO PROBATIVE VALUE IN THIS 'EVIDENCE'. As long as CSU has confirmed that the man in our alumni calendar graduated here, that settles everything.

---

Let me buttress further, many years ago when my younger sis was to write UME, those were the days of Afribank. The pattern then was when afribank closes sales of forms, you have to go to the UME office at Ikoyi to get it, then fill and submit (this you can do even 2 days to the exam).

I left almost Badagry to Hawkworth Street 4 days to the exam, with the docs of about 5 persons (all males excepting my sis) to buy, fill and submit on the spot 4 days to the exam. I had unintentionally entered Male for her. It became a problem for her when she eventually got admitted at FUNAAB.

I think it was corrected prior to her SIWES defence.

(That is if we want to concede to maybe there is a truth in it... Courts don't do investigative journalism, they will go with what they have). It is the petitioner that needs the proving to do because they are the ones seeking declaratory reliefs.

---

In 1999, CSU confirmed that Bola Tinubu graduated from there.

Please be advised that Bola A. Tinubu did indeed attend Chicago State University from August 1977 through June 1979. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science Degree in Business and Administration with honours on June 22, 1979. His major was Accounting.”
This was from the then Registrar, Lois Davis in August 20, 1999.

Now in January 2022:
Mr Tinubu did attend our university, however, if further information is needed, go to studentclearinghouse.org website to make a formal request

This is from Beverly Poindexter who is in charge of official transcript requests, enrolment and degree verification at the Office of the Registrar in CSU.

In June 2022,
To whom it may concern

Please be advised that Bola. A. Tinubu attended Chicago State University from August 1977 – June 1979. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration with Honours on June 22, 1979. His major was accounting.

Caleb Westberg, is in charge of the office of Records and Registration, CSU

This should settle it.

So letters to journalists trumps the CTC of documents from the institution itself?

And are we now clear that it is not in all cases that the maker of the document might be required to appear in court?

Wisfem:





Both of them are ready to work for the people, of a truth I know Chijioke is from Isiuzu specifically E- hamufu, MBA as well is from a Similar Zone Ikanu, I think Amankanu specifically. So What's the different let's allow him to continue while focusing on how to boot out that Narcotic Ancestral Alien from The Sit of Power....

They are not from the same zone. Stop misleading the public

Lotanna2:


Sheriff looks independent minded,an average urhobo man is.he may disappoint okowa just as okowa did to ibori.
Orubebe is not a small man.he almost won his lga.
My calculations about agege miscalculation was spot on.i clearly calculated that agege should have picked his running mate from delta south preferably the ijaws so as to win delta south outrightly.picking deputy from delta north was a waste as anioma hate apc and would not vote them for any reason.but with the recent disappointment of manager and otuaro,contracts given to tompolo,senate to isoko and ayiri alliance with tinubu plus agege personal friendship with delta south,he has a better chance of winning delta south than north.inorder to reduce delta north votes,he should have sponsored a popular candidate from the north.thevvotes anioma gave pdp in guber was somehow suspicious.i believe okowa tampered with something.cc tutudesz, efewestern,

Delta North votes was rigged in favor of PDP and some part of Delta central was also rigged in favor of APC.

tutudesz:

Delta North votes was rigged in favor of PDP and some part of Delta central was also rigged in favor of APC.

No,delta north was the only rigged place.theres no way sheriff would have gotten such bloc votes.i believe delta central votes were fair,apc won the four lgas they dominate while pdp won their strongholds.pdp slightly rigged in south plus apc chieftains failed to put pressure.ayiri and Michael johnny were relaxed in warri,Thomas failed to rally the isokos while orubebe did not give his best in burutu.

kettykings:
How come the usual Town criers are not trolling and dragging this Mba man

If to say Mba na LP this thread for don full

Penguin2:


So letters to journalists trumps the CTC of documents from the institution itself?

And are we now clear that it is not in all cases that the maker of the document might be required to appear in court?

Firstly,tinubu didn't submit transcript.
Secondly,atiku failed to call on CSU and nysc
Thirdly the CSU has acknowledged tinubu countless times

Lotanna2:


No,delta north was the only rigged place.theres no way sheriff would have gotten such bloc votes.i believe delta central votes were fair,apc won the four lgas they dominate while pdp won their strongholds.pdp slightly rigged in south plus apc chieftains failed to put pressure.ayiri and Michael johnny were relaxed in warri,Thomas failed to rally the isokos while orubebe did not give his best in burutu.

Central was rigged by Ibori, but the numbers was not enough.
South riggers are far too many

tutudesz:

Central was rigged by Ibori, but the numbers was not enough.
South riggers are far too many

If ibori rigged central,he would win his lga and sheriff will win only okpe.pdp won south narrowly which means agege tried.if his running mate was from ijaw,he would have south while central cancelled north

Penguin2:
So letters to journalists trumps the CTC of documents from the institution itself?

Don't you know that Tinubu also submitted the CTC as well?
Why should we take the CTC of PW over that tendered by the other side.
What makes you so sure that Mr Kowals was 100% sure about his own transcripts?
Again, was Mr Kowals cross-examined?

And are we now clear that it is not in all cases that the maker of the document might be required to appear in court?

The maker has testified already.

The petitioners didn't provide incontrovertible evidence and hence the respondent need not stress himself.

All these I mentioned are documents from the Registrar, Academic Records in official capacities, so what other document can overthrow that? None whatsoever!

Res ipsa loquitur It is not the respondent who should be worried to bring in the maker of the document, it is the petitioner who wants the case ruled in his favour that will prove same to the Court.

fergie001thanks for your legal insight as usual.

Penguin2 emotions have blinded your sense of reasoning.

Nobody should come here and insult the Judges when judgement is delivered because this matter is quite predictable honestly.

famology:
fergie001thanks for your legal insight as usual.

Penguin2 emotions have blinded your sense of reasoning.

Nobody should come here and insult the Judges when judgement is delivered because this matter is quite predictable honestly.

That is what I am trying to do by educating those dumbidients

famology:
fergie001thanks for your legal insight as usual.

Penguin2 emotions have blinded your sense of reasoning.

Nobody should come here and insult the Judges when judgement is delivered because this matter is quite predictable honestly.

Justice Raphael agbo is dead the number 2 in court of appeal