Philosopher is from Ancient Greek φιλόσοφος philósophos literally “Lover of Wisdom”.


As I read the story of Adam and Eve in the Torah, specifically exploring the events surrounding their fall, I discovered remarkable layers of meaning.
In my interpretation, I found a sense of profound heroism in Eve’s actions, despite the prevalent negative perception of her in the Christian New Testament, as exemplified in 1 Timothy 2:13 — 15.

Let us delve into the intricacies of this tale. In Genesis 2:9, the Elohim instructed Adam and Eve to eat all the fruits in the garden which were pleasant to the eye and good for food, except for the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Adam and Eve were strictly forbidden from eating the fruit of Life and Knowledge, yet they were not provided with a clear explanation as to why it was harmful. Instead, they were merely threatened with consequences if they were to consume it.
This situation can be likened to instructing a child not to eat a certain food under the threat of punishment, without actually revealing the genuine reason behind the prohibition.
Perhaps we will uncover the true rationale behind the forbidden fruit in this article.

In Genesis 2:22, it should be noted that Adam “rib” was named woman because she was taken from man. Although the word used here, “tsela,” does not mean rib, but rather it means the side of something. In chapter 3:1–5, we encounter the serpent, described as wiser than all the animals in Paradise. It came and engaged in a conversation with the woman.
The serpent promised the woman three things if they ate the fruits of the tree in the middle of the garden. The details of these three promises will be discussed in another separate article.
After the serpent made its promises, we see in Genesis 3:6, that the woman observed the tree to be pleasant to the eyes and good for food, just like the other fruits in the garden.
However, what made this Tree more advantageous than others was that its fruits were desirable for anyone seeking Wisdom.
This is why I refer to Eve as a Philosopher, a philosopher simply means a lover of wisdom, someone who desires Wisdom for the sake of it, And the Opposite of it, a Misosopher, someone that has hatred for Wisdom.

Nowhere is Eve’s superiority and numinous power more evident than in her role as Adam’s awakener. After eating the fruit that grants wisdom, she didn’t monopolize it, but instead she also shared it with her husband. She understood that wisdom is better shared and should not be hidden or kept away. Just as you don’t light a candle in a dark room and keep it under your bed, but rather place it where it can be efficiently utilized, seen, and used by everyone.
Matthew 5:15-16

Having consumed the fruit, Adam and Eve, endowed with newfound wisdom, craftily fashioned aprons for themselves, Just like the Elohim they started making things too. When the Elohim found out, they became jealous and cursed them. The fruit did indeed contain real wisdom. So why was it banned?

However, neither Adam nor Eve pleaded for mercy, exhibited remorse, or expressed regret for their actions. Instead, Adam’s immediate response after the condemnation in Genesis 3:20 was to extol his wife. In that significant moment, the man chose to rename his wife as Eve (Hawwa), acknowledging her as the mother of all living. Just as Adam became the father of all living through their partaking from the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, this renaming emphasized Eve’s profound role as the progenitor, nurturing the existence of all living beings.
Finally, In Genesis 3:22, Elohim points out that “the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.”
Does this verse reveal the true rationale behind why they should not eat the fruit?

According to Genesis 1:27, Adam and Eve were initially created in the image of Elohim as there servants, intended to till(‘ābad) and guard (šāmar) the garden as stated in Genesis 2:5 and 2:15.
However, they lacked wisdom and the knowledge of good and evil. It was through Eve’s actions that they attained a deeper understanding, becoming akin to the Elohim, acquiring the knowledge of good and evil. The garden was originally designed for them, as images of Elohim, to tend to.
Yet, Adam and Eve transcended this purpose and gained the ability to create their own garden, akin to the Elohim themselves.

Eve’s yearning for wisdom, even above the appeal of visually pleasing and nourishing food, cannot be considered a wrongful act, as we see in proverbs 4:6–7.
“Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you; love her, and she will watch over you. Wisdom is supreme; therefore, get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding.”

Your learning about the wisdom seeking Eve freeing stupid ignorant enslaved Adam delights me immensely.

Just one thing would I ask you to consider. Is it understood by you that Adam and Eve are the same creation in Elohim's image?

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

budaatum:

Just one thing would I ask you to consider. Is it understood by you that Adam and Eve are the same creation in Elohim's image?

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

The Hebrew word for image here is “tselem” which is derived from a shorter Hebrew word, “tzel”, meaning “shadow.”
Genesis 1:27 says, he created man in his own image male and female he created them.
Which will make adam androgynous.

Maynman:

The Hebrew word for image is here is “tselem” which is derived from a shorter Hebrew word, “tzel”, meaning “shadow.”

Talmudic said they were Golem.

Is there a connection between "tselem", and the "dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life" from which Adam became a living being?

Also consider the instruction both were given. Is it the same instruction or does it differ, and were the rewards the same for both creations?

budaatum:


Is there a connection between "tselem", and the "dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life" from which Adam became a living being?

Also consider the instruction both were given. Is it the same instruction or does it differ, and were the rewards the same for both creations?

Tselem is the dust that was created, the breathe which was uncreated is the essence, exactly, breathe of life.

The instruction was given to adam who is androgynous.
There were no rewards.

This is interesting Maynman.

The fact that you called Eve a philosopher casts my mind back to a Gnostic Scripture from the Nag Hammadi Library titled: "The Revelation of Adam"

Maynman:

The Hebrew word for image is here is “tselem” which is derived from a shorter Hebrew word, “tzel”, meaning “shadow.”
Genesis 1:27 says, he created man in his own image male and female he created them.
Which will make adam androgynous.

But Adam was not androgynous, I don't think, since the "a man" and "the man" and "a woman" as seen in text below, are very distinctly specifically different to "he created man in his own image male and female he created them".

7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

I am asking because your thread shows a departure from the established 'belief' about Eve and recognition of her virtue, and hoping you'd also see through the likely false understanding that created from mud Adam was the same creation in God's image. I don't understand that they are nor do I see good reason to assume they are.

budaatum:


But Adam was not androgynous, I don't think, since the "a man" and "the man" and "a woman" as seen in text below, are very distinctly specifically different to "he created man in his own image male and female he created them".

7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

I am asking because your thread shows a departure from the established 'belief' about Eve and recognition of her virtue, and hoping you'd also see through the likely false understanding that created from mud Adam was the same creation in God's image. I don't understand that they are nor do I see good reason to assume they are.

I said male and female, not man and woman.

The “rib” here means tsela, which means a side of something,.
In every context the word refers to the whole side of a bilaterally symmetrical object. the most appropriate translation would be "side."

And the “deep sleep” here doesn’t mean sleep but like a trance.

oteneaaron:
This is interesting Maynman.

The fact that you called Eve a philosopher casts my mind back to a Gnostic Scripture from the Nag Hammadi Library titled: "The Revelation of Adam"

Yes, you will also know about the demiurge.

Maynman:

I said male and female, not man and woman.

Is there (not) a difference between "male and female", and "man" and "woman"?

Both are separately used in the text, you'd find, with perhaps different meanings.

budaatum:


Is there (not) a difference between "male and female", and "man" and "woman"?

Both are separately used in the text, you'd find, with perhaps different meanings.

The hebrew term there specifically refers to male and female, as in androgynous.

Maynman:

Yes, you will also know about the demiurge.

Yes, I have read about the demiurge.

A school of thought argues that - The Demiurge is the same person as Yahweh or Jehovah, who is also the same person as Yaldaboath, who is still the same person as ENLIL from the Sumerian epic.

oteneaaron:


Yes, I have read about the demiurge.

A school of thought argues that - The Demiurge is the same person as Yahweh or Jehovah, who is also the same person as Yaldaboath, who is still the same person as ENLIL from the Sumerian epic.

Yeah, all mythologies using symbolism.
Do you read on Kabbalah too?
Yaldaboath is Malchut.

Maynman:

And the “deep sleep” here doesn’t mean sleep but like a trance.

The creation in God's image was not in a trance I don't think, and couldn't have performed the duty of "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground” if it had been in a trance, I think.

Adam, however, was definitely stupid and dumb enough to have been said to have been in a trance, I agree. Dumb not to know others don't come from its rib for starts, and moreso for allowing itself to be enslaved to believe the brainwashing it receives in a trance without bothering to test if true or not.

Which brings us to the Philosopher Eve and her Serpent, which was likely her own Mind, with which she philosophised and tested for herself if she should believe she would surely die or not.

budaatum:


The creation in God's image was not in a trance.

The deep sleep i was talking about was in genesis 2:21.

And the word for “god” here is elohim, which means gods, it is a pantheon, the head of the pantheon is El.
That’s why in genesis 1:26, they were discussing let’s make man(humankind) in our image, male and female.

The pantheon consists of male and female gods like queen asheerah.

Maynman:

Yeah, all mythologies using symbolism.
Do you read on Kabbalah too?
Yaldaboath is Malchut.

I haven't done a deep dive into the philosophy of the Kabbalah - yet.

I will do some research on Malcut.

Maynman:

The hebrew term there specifically refers to male and female, as in androgynous.

What you posted states that there were "various views", so I think it would be wrong to present the view of one group as if it were the only view possible.

That would be like claiming the view of those who believe Eve caused death is the only possible view, and your view of Wisdom Seeking Philosopher Eve, is, well, hogwash, which it clearly isn't, but is you examining the text to seek the understanding you found by using your own mind.

Maynman:

The deep sleep i was talking about was in genesis 2:21.
And the word for “god” here is elohim, which means gods, it is a pantheon, the head of the pantheon is El.
That’s why in genesis 1:26, they were discussing let’s make man(humankind) in our image, male and female.

The pantheon consists of male and female gods like queen asheerah.

It is said that this ELOHIM or pantheon of "God's" is the same as the ANNUNAKI from the ancient Sumerian epic.

The top two figures in this pantheon are -

ENKI VS ENLIL - Sumerian

ZUES VS POSIEDON - Greecian

Jehovah VS The Lord - Hebrew, etc.

The same entities with just different names...

budaatum:


What you posted states that there were "various views", so I think it would be wrong to present the view of one group as if it were the only view possible.

What i wanted to point out was the male and female line.
And the Gods created adam (humankind) in their image, in the image of Gods created; male and female created them.
The insertion of the phrase zachar u'n'kayvah bara otam male and female created them is especially instructive.

oteneaaron:


It is said that this ELOHIM or pantheon of "God's" is the same as the ANNUNAKI from the ancient Sumerian epic.

The top two figures in this pantheon are -

ENKI VS ENLIL - Sumerian

ZUES VS POSIEDON - Greecian

Jehovah VS The Lord - Hebrew, etc.

The same entities with just different names...

I won’t say directly from annunaki.
Hebrews are simply cannanites, so they got it from the cannanite religion, but yahweh is a foreign semitic god, it was El that was the original god.

oteneaaron:


I haven't done a deep dive into the philosophy of the Kabbalah - yet.

I will do some research on Malcut.

Alright.

Maynman:

The deep sleep i was talking about was in genesis 2:21.

And the word for “god” here is elohim, which means gods, it is a pantheon, the head of the pantheon is El.
That’s why in genesis 1:26, they were discussing let’s make man(humankind) in our image, male and female.

The pantheon consists of male and female gods like queen asheerah.

I accept the deep sleep was in Genesis 2, after Genesis 1 creations who had no deep sleep nor trance.

Is it possible that the Genesis 1 creations was a creation of more pantheon gods while Genesis 2 was the creation of the dumb stupid humans? It's not as if the human man and woman started off with the intelligence and powers we read gods had.

If one thinks of it, Adam and Eve could actually mean 100s of races of people, as I don't see how Gods would have a garden two can maintain when history shows their affection for slaves and considering, "copied plagiarised, edited, sanitised etc etc etc".

budaatum:


Is it possible that the Genesis 1 creations was a creation of more pantheon gods while Genesis 2 was the creation of the dumb stupid humans? It's not as if the human man and woman started off with the intelligence and powers we read gods had.

The elohim might just be human beings too.

The word "image" is translated from the Hebrew tselem, and it means "shape, resemblance, figure, shadow."
This same word appears in Genesis 5:3: "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image [tselem], and named him Seth."

The editors of the Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible have to admit that tselem carries the meaning of concrete form and physical resemblance. Man looks like the Elohim.

Scholars said the story of jacob fighting with El and been able to duel shows that jacob was also revered as an Elohim in ancient Hebrew history.

Maynman:

What i wanted to point out was the male and female line.
And the Gods created adam (humankind) in their image, in the image of Gods created; male and female created them.
The insertion of the phrase zachar u'n'kayvah bara otam male and female created them is especially instructive.

Very instructive indeed, as agreed with in part below, and other instructions have and can be gotten from it too.

Genesis 2 is also very instructive also as you are showing, that a story that emphasizes hierarchy and dominance and that has been used to enslave, can also free from oppression and slavery, depending on the character focused on.

The insertion of the phrase zachar u’n’kayvah bara otam – male and female (the Divine) created them – is especially instructive. It’s as though the Biblical editor wishes to make it absolutely clear that both men and women are a simultaneous and equal product of God’s Divine creation of humankind. All of humanity was brought into existence at the same moment. This further emphasizes the importance of the earlier verse “na’aseh adam b’tzalmo, kid’mu’taynu – let us create adam (humankind) in our image, (specifically) in our likeness.” (Gen. 1:26) All humans are to share equally of God’s bounty. Should one believe that this applies only to men, this verse instructs us that God’s goodness and protection extends equally to men and women. Had the story of Creation ended right here, the world would be a very different, and (hopefully) a more just haven for all. However, as stated earlier, the Creation stories in Genesis not only relate a cohesive narrative of the creation of the world, they also seek to answer universal questions about the way in which the world operates. The creation of human beings on the sixth day of creation (Gen. 1:27–28) presents a philosophy for humans to follow. Everyone is equal and should share equally in God’s bounty. Men and women must continue God’s work of human creation by making more humans. Humans are the shepherds of the rest of God’s creation and should be vegetarians (Genesis 1:29.)
https://www.pulpit.org/male-and-female-god-created-them/

Maynman:

The elohim might just be human beings too.

I can live with this since a human being who is lord of hundreds of hectares and thousands of Adam's might be considered an elohim. Some see Elon Musk and Bezos and Gates and Soros as elohims too.

budaatum:

Very instructive indeed, as agreed with in part below, and other instructions have and can be gotten from it too.

Genesis 2 is also very instructive also as you are showing, that a story that emphasizes hierarchy and dominance and that has been used to enslave, can also free from oppression and slavery, depending on the character focused on.

There were referring to biblical editors for making sure they made the difference clear.
It’s as though the Biblical editor wishes to make it absolutely clear that both men and women are a simultaneous and equal product of God’s Divine creation of humankind

budaatum:


I can live with this since a human being who is lord of hundreds of hectares and thousands of Adam's might be considered an elohim. Some see Elon Musk and Bezos as Gates and Soros as elohims too.

Elohim means idols, idols means reflection in a mirror or river.

That’s right.

Maynman:

There were referring to biblical editors for making sure they made the difference clear.
It’s as though the Biblical editor wishes to make it absolutely clear that both men and women are a simultaneous and equal product of God’s Divine creation of humankind

This will be true about Genesis 1. But I would not say it applies to Genesis 2 where Adam and Eve do not seem to be equal to each other. Jewish tradition and culture has in fact emphasised that lack of "equality".

Genesis 2 human does definitely not seem equal to Genesis 1 human to me.

“Blessed are you for not having made me a gentile” and “Blessed are you for not having made me a slave. Blessed are You, Hashem our G-d, King of the universe, for not having made me a woman.”
https://torah.org/learning/women-class31/

budaatum:


This will be true about Genesis 1. But I would not say it applies to Genesis 2 where Adam and Eve do not seem to be equal to each other. Jewish tradition and culture has in fact emphasised that lack of "equality".

Genesis 2 human does definitely not seem equal to Genesis 1 human to me.

They were separated in genesis 2.

The “rib” here means tsela, which means a side of something,.
In every context the word refers to the whole side of a bilaterally symmetrical object. the most appropriate translation would be "side."

Several ancient texts (discovered in 1945 near Nag Hammadi, Egypt) show that the biblical creation accounts were interpreted freely and allegorically in the first few centuries of the common era. In some of these texts, Eve is depicted as a powerful force while Adam is passive.

Apocalypse of Adam (c. 50–150)
In this work, Adam speaks and says that Eve “taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God.” The text thus refers to Eve as a teacher of theological knowledge.



“This particular blessing (or for women, “Blessed art thou, O Lord our G-d, King of the universe, for having made me according to His will”), is preceded in the prayer book by two others thanking G-d for being a Jew and for not being a slave. Together, the three help a Jew express gratitude for his or her particular lot in life. Men thank G-d for being placed in a position to perform more mitzvot (obligations) than women, since Torah assigns them a greater number. The Torah tells us that the fact that men have more mitzvot indicates they have further to go in order to perfect themselves in the world. The Torah tells us that women, on the other hand, in order to accomplish their specific mission, are born more spiritually evolved. Thus, a man can legitimately thank Hashem for not having been made a woman, because he has a greater number of opportunities to use the mitzvot as tools to connect to G-d.”
https://torah.org/learning/women-class31/

Maynman:

They were separated in genesis 2.

Just as you've found the true value of Eve, so do I believe you would someday find that Adam and Eve were not created in any God's image to "be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground", but naked ignorant slaves who were put in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it but not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die".

The psychological implications are huge, as it gives no option as to which one must be and forces one to assume to be descended from the later created naked slave Adam as opposed to the former powerful God's image, or at least ask how the powerful Image became a naked ignorant slave.

budaatum:


Just as you've found the true value of Eve, so do I believe you would someday find that Adam and Eve were not created in any God's image to "be fruitful and increase in number;

There is nothing to believe, they are myths-stories with a meaning.

Adam represents the Ego, and Eve, the Self.
What they lacked was Awareness.

In genesis 2:25– And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.
They were not ashamed because they were not aware of their own unclothedness.

In genesis 3:7– Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked.
The first thing they did after eating the fruit was to become aware of themselves and cover their unclothedness because they were ashamed.

When the elohim came, adam said he is afraid because he was naked, he didn’t tell them he ate the fruit of knowledge, the Elohim asked him, how did you know you are naked?
In genesis 3:11– “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?
The elohim knew INSTANTLY they have ate the fruit, it was only that fruit that could make adam(Ego) aware of himself.


In genesis 3:21– The Elohim made for the man and his wife garments of skin, with which he clothed them.

Finally, adam and eve has become like the Elohim covering their unclothedness too.

Maynman:


Finally, adam and eve has become like the Elohim covering their unclothedness too.

We are talking meaning, Mayn. And the belief is not about the myth (since you've already shown by this thread that it's about understanding of the myth), but about my belief pertaining to you.

Was it Elohim who created in his own image in Genesis 1?

Was that Elohim naked, such that those it created in its image were naked like Adam and Eve were?