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Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 4:58am On Aug 16, 2023 |
honesttalk21: Qur'an 9:37 ٱتَّخَذُوٓاْ أَحۡبَارَهُمۡ وَرُهۡبَٰنَهُمۡ أَرۡبَابٗا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلۡمَسِيحَ ٱبۡنَ مَرۡيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓاْ إِلَّا لِيَعۡبُدُوٓاْ إِلَٰهٗا وَٰحِدٗاۖ لَّآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَۚ سُبۡحَٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ, Muslims and lies is 5 & 6. Show me where the word ALSO appear in the Arabic Qur'an? Instead, In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done Qur'an 9:31 They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah AND the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. What does this scripture say: Instead of the Jews and the Christians worshipping Allah AND the Messiah, they were worshipping their Scholars and Monks Do you know the meaning of AND (English) or WAA (Arabic)? Did Allah make a Mistake in this Scripture? |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 5:06am On Aug 16, 2023 |
honesttalk21:The question was simple, what is the meaning of Trinity according to the Qur'an? If Allah cannot define what Trinity is, what gives you the standing to say how the doctrine amongst Christians was formulated. The more reason how NO muslim in this universe can explain the Trinity of Jesus Christ in the Quran.Explain the Trinity of Jesus in your Qur'an first. |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 6:20am On Aug 16, 2023 |
I have explained and you have jeered that no muslim will ever know. I have done more investigation to find this which is probably why we can never know. At least I am spot on about the origin |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 6:58am On Aug 16, 2023 |
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Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 7:31am On Aug 16, 2023 |
[quote author=honesttalk21 post=125141405][/quote] The Spirit controlling Mohammed seems to be controlling all you Muslims. Just like Till today Mohammed has not been able to explain what "Spirit" is. The question was: Please answer the Question : Is Jesus not a Trinity in the, Qur'an ? If Jesus is not a trinity in The Qur'an, can you explain how 1. Jesus is a Human being and Messanger of Allah 2. Jesus is the Spirit of Allah 3. Jesus is the Word of Allah Note: A spirit is not a human being and the Word of Allah is not the same as the Spirit of Allah! What is your response? Even you don't know! |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 8:19am On Aug 16, 2023 |
honesttalk21:You didn't explain anything sir The Question was explain HOW Jesus is a Man, the Word and Spirit of Allah ALL at the same time knowing that A Man is not a Spirit and the Word of Allah is not the same as the Spirit of Allah. Instead you stated all which we already know from the Qur'an that 1. Jesus is not the Son of God 2. Allah does not have a son 3. Jesus is the word of Allah 4. Jesus is the messanger of Allah 5. Those who say Allah is the Messiah has defied God 6. Those who say Allah is one of three have disbelieved None of these answers the simple Question The QUESTION AGAIN If Jesus is not a trinity in The Qur'an, can you explain how 1. Jesus is a Human being and Messanger of Allah 2. Jesus is the Spirit of Allah 3. Jesus is the Word of Allah Note: A spirit is not a human being and the Word of Allah is not the same as the Spirit of Allah! So, explain HOW this is possible! |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 8:22am On Aug 16, 2023 |
Now this is quite interesting and surely will excite you and many others. Do you however wonder why this translation negates all that has been said about Allah and Isa ibn Maryam in other parts of the Qur'an? One of the difficulties in selecting a particular translation of the Quran is not the limitations of the translation. It is, rather, that because of their symbolic and figurative language sacred texts are ambiguous even in their original language. This makes recommending any translation that is not accompanied by a more detailed interpretation difficult. So an added significance of the markings for vowels; in this case the fatha on the verb A-attakhazu ٱتَّخَذُوٓ will affect the nouns with the fatha;rabbis أَحۡبَارَهُمۡ , monks وَرُهۡبَٰنَهُمۡ and masiha ibn Maryam وَٱلۡمَسِيحَ ٱبۡنَ مَرۡيَمَ but not Allah إِلَّا. This is because the latter has a kesra before it. Had the verb been A-attakhizu ءَأَتَّخِذُ then Allah will be the object. The appropriate grammatical translation is: They have taken their rabbis (Jews) and monks also the Messiah, the son of Mary as lords besides Allah, . And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. Putting the objects of the verb together. TenQ: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 8:35am On Aug 16, 2023 |
You must be a Nigerian policeman! I haven't finished answering the trinity and you are bamboozling me with others. Is this what? Shock attack! Calm down! What's the hurry? The Quran without following a traditional definition refers to them in Quran 5: 73 & 116. Jesus (Isa ibn Maryam pbuh) is a man haven been born by Maryam, on the command of Allah to be off the spirit of Allah which was sent by another Spirit of Allah, Jibril to inform and pass the spirit. Jibril also strengthening him on his mission. TenQ: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 8:35am On Aug 16, 2023 |
honesttalk21:Muslims with lies whenever it comes to whatever they don't like Allah saying. Where did you see the Word ALSO in the Qur'an. When did Waa become ALSO? Please translate : وَٱلْمَسِيحَ I have attached the interlinear translation for you to see that I AM CORRECT in my translation. Qur'an 9:31 ٱتَّخَذُوٓاْ أَحۡبَارَهُمۡ وَرُهۡبَٰنَهُمۡ أَرۡبَابٗا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلۡمَسِيحَ ٱبۡنَ مَرۡيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓاْ إِلَّا لِيَعۡبُدُوٓاْ إِلَٰهٗا وَٰحِدٗاۖ لَّآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَۚ سُبۡحَٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ, Instead, In Qur'an 9:31, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done Qur'an 9:31 They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah AND the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. What does this scripture say: Instead of the Jews and the Christians worshipping Allah AND the Messiah, they were worshipping their Scholars and Monks Do you know the meaning of AND (English) or WAA (Arabic)? Did Allah make a Mistake in this Scripture?
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Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 8:41am On Aug 16, 2023 |
I have replied you. As stated in earlier discussions you cannot just singularly pick words in arabic sentences without considering others to make an accurate interpretation. You must have started those lessons do confirm from your tutor or @gaskiyamagana or satmaniac TenQ: TenQ:
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Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 8:44am On Aug 16, 2023 |
honesttalk21:It is one thing to translate the Qur'an into exactly what it says AND it is another thing to translate the Qur'an to whatever we want it to say. I gave you a question : Please translate : وَٱلْمَسِيحَ |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 8:46am On Aug 16, 2023 |
honesttalk21:I have asked you this question almost ten times now as you aren't seeing it for the first time. You have NOT answered the Question as it is about HOW it is possible! The QUESTION AGAIN If Jesus is not a trinity in The Qur'an, can you explain how 1. Jesus is a Human being and Messanger of Allah 2. Jesus is the Spirit of Allah 3. Jesus is the Word of Allah Note: A spirit is not a human being and the Word of Allah is not the same as the Spirit of Allah! |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 10:38am On Aug 16, 2023 |
And Christ = وَٱلْمَسِيحَ TenQ: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 10:51am On Aug 16, 2023 |
This your literal translation/direct translation, or word-for-word translation is okay except for your not looking at how the words are used together in the sentence. TenQ: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 10:58am On Aug 16, 2023 |
Direct Arabic to English translation faces cultural problems due to linguistic and cultural differences. It fails to capture nuanced meanings, idiomatic expressions, and cultural connotations, leading to confusion and misinterpretation. Translators need strong linguistic skills and deep understanding of both languages to bridge the cultural divide and deliver accurate, culturally appropriate translations. TenQ: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 11:00am On Aug 16, 2023 |
Direct Arabic to English translation faces cultural problems due to linguistic and cultural differences. It fails to capture nuanced meanings, idiomatic expressions, and cultural connotations, leading to confusion and misinterpretation. Translators need strong linguistic skills and deep understanding of both languages to bridge the cultural divide and deliver accurate, culturally appropriate translations. honesttalk21: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 2:13pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
honesttalk21:If وَٱلْمَسِيحَ means AND the Christ or AND the Messiah Why replace AND with ALSO? |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by gaskiyamagana: 12:12am On Aug 17, 2023 |
honesttalk21: I am not, l can never be tutor of whoever is mentally and reasoningly programmed like robot; to twist, misinterpretate, misrepresent and misquote lessons and teaching of Islam, and still boasting and arguing as an authority in the knowledge of lsam. See him now. The verse he is arguing now is validation of misleading mission of his robotized memory and reasoning. Prophet 'lsa is continuation of worshipped individuals besides Allah, not in combination (as he has done to confused others) with Allah. If his interpretation is correct, WHY ALLAH will query lsa as being deified like HIM in Q5:116-118 ? |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 3:51am On Aug 17, 2023 |
Salam bro. I don't mean you teach him. Just wanted him to confirm the reason why they have interpreted Q9:31 wrong. He has indicated interests in learning Arabic on another who advertised elsewhere. Sadly he has gone to open another thread of their fake hadith. Maybe due to the exposure of the Roman and pagan influence on his claimed religious belief in Christianity and trinity. Pardon my associating you with him. |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 1:18pm On Aug 18, 2023 |
TenQ:Aha! Another of the OP's repeated lies don't your fellow Christians pray: Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Isn't this praying to Mary? Does the Catholic bible recommend this. Don't excuse that you are not Catholic as you have categorically stated Catholics face her statue but don't pray to her statue but they pray to her isn't it. Just like you pray to Jesus even though this is a formulation and refinement in one of your numerous ecumenical councils as late as the 4th and 5th century after the departure of Jesus. Why did this doctrine take 300 to 400 years after his disappearance? Where all those who prayed differently on the wrong path? What becomes of them? Is this not akin to the following prayers? “Adoration of Ra, everliving, O Solar God who creates by utterance. O Lord of the Sky, giver of light, Lord of the unplundered tomb, who gives life to those who acknowledge him; O Heavenly Father, may I enter your Kingdom of Light, ..... “Hail Osiris, Wennefer (Unnefer), the good god, the justified, Divine King of Heaven, Lord of Maat, Lord of Rejuvenation, Master of Rebirth, the Immortal One, King of the Dead. Praises fill the temples in your honor, O Great One the Son of a Great One. .... “Hail Falcon, Son of Osiris, Son of Ra, Haroeris, beloved one, of golden crown and diadem, Conqueror of Evil, destroyer of the wicked, Conqueror of the Living, justified before your Divine Father Osiris. I have come forth, justified in your presence, for I have conquered our enemy who invaded our lands. ...... And so many more. Down all through to the borrowing their festivals. The word Easter is of Saxon origin, Eastra, the goddess of spring, in whose honour sacrifices were offered about Passover time each year. By the eighth century Anglo–Saxons had adopted the name to designate the celebration of Christ’s resurrection. Also Christmas was adopted from the Celebration of the Unconquered sun, marking the return of longer days. A practice in ancient Rome. Oh who practices and covertly practices idolatry? However it may be 570 years after Jesus disappearance Christians+/- Roman pagan society with the Support of Constantine and Constinople defined trinity through the Ecunimical councils even if the sects differed in agreement. catholics face the statue of Mary but do they pray to the statue. Do you hear the word statue as part of their prayers? Pretty lame! |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 9:12pm On Aug 18, 2023 |
honesttalk21:You should have directed your question to the Catholics on this for I know that both of you are idolaters. The Catholics kiss the image of mary You Muslims kiss the Black stone The Catholics hope for the Intercession of mary You Muslims hope for the Intercession of the Black stone The Catholics worship facing the image of Mary The Muslims worship facing the black stone. Tell me how you are NOT both Idolaters? I am neither a Muslim NOR a Catholic. Not withstanding, this doenst answer my Question to you The QUESTION AGAIN If Jesus is not a trinity in The Qur'an, can you explain how 1. Jesus is a Human being and Messanger of Allah 2. Jesus is the Spirit of Allah 3. Jesus is the Word of Allah Note: A spirit is not a human being and the Word of Allah is not the same as the Spirit of Allah! |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 11:14pm On Aug 18, 2023 |
Deny or dissociate from your brethren all you like. It is an established fact that Catholics are Christians. You had challenged that Mary was not a part of their prayer and obvious proof is presented. Contrary to popular belief, the qiblah is not the black stone located in the holy city of Mecca. Instead, the qiblah represents the direction towards the Kaaba. The black stone does not define the qiblah. The worship of Jesus can indeed be seen as an act of idolatry that he never explicitly asked for. In the Bible, Jesus consistently showed humility and redirected the focus to God. He emphasized the importance of worshipping God alone, as seen in passages such as Matthew 4:10 where he says, "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." Jesus himself acknowledged that his power and teachings came from God, not from his own authority. Tell us where Jesus says to worship him and stop stating what he didn't say. Note that asking the father in his name wouldn't cut it as it is your own version of the hail Mary.
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Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 11:53pm On Aug 18, 2023 |
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth. Do you worship the heavens? O People of the Scripture (OP especially), do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. Christians love to mis-represent the phrase Ruhullah and consider it to deify Jesus pbuh Q3:45 (And remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word from Him, whose name ‘Isa Masih (Jesus Messiah), the son of Maryam, held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allâh.” Verily, the likeness of ‘Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was. Was Adam human or God? He is the first messanger of Allah to mankind as the offspring born of him. Adam was moulded and Allah gave him of his spirit saying be and he came alive. Q19:16. And mention in the Scripture Mary, when she withdrew from her people to an eastern location. 17. She screened herself away from them, and We sent to her Our spirit (رُوحَنَا/ angel Jibril) , and He appeared to her as an immaculate human. 18. She said, “I take refuge from you in the Most Merciful, should you be righteous.” 19. He said, “I am only the messenger of your Lord, to give you the gift of a pure son.” 20. She said, “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, and I was never unchaste? 21. He said, “Thus said your Lord, `It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign for humanity, and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already decided. Q36:82 Verily, His command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, “Be!”– and it is!) The saying of Allah is his word or not? Isa a.s in defence of his mother says: Quran 19: 30. He said, “I am the servant of God. He has given me the Scripture, and made me a prophet. (Is this not a statement of being a messenger) 31. And has made me blessed wherever I may be; and has enjoined on me prayer and charity, so long as I live. TenQ: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 12:07am On Aug 19, 2023 |
The ecumenical council meetings were pivotal moments in Christian history, where various theological debates and decisions shaped the course of the religion. One controversial aspect of these meetings was the adoption of certain pagan practices by Christians. During this time, the Church was expanding rapidly, absorbing different cultural traditions and customs. In an effort to accommodate these diverse populations and increase conversions, Christian leaders allowed for the incorporation of certain pagan rituals and beliefs. This adoption of paganism not only facilitated the spread of Christianity, but also blurred the boundaries between the two religions. One example of paganism adopted by Christians during the ecumenical council meets was the incorporation of certain religious festivals. Many early Christian festivals were reinterpreted versions of pagan celebrations. For instance, the Christian celebration of Christmas was timed purposely close to the pagan festival of Saturnalia. By bringing these popular festivals into the Christian calendar, the Church aimed to draw in new followers who were already accustomed to these celebrations. Saturnalia, an ancient Roman festival held in late December, played a significant role in shaping the modern celebration of Christmas. During the 4th century, as the influence of Christianity grew, Saturnalia was gradually incorporated into the new celebration of Christmas. |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 6:57am On Aug 19, 2023 |
All these because you have ZERO answers to my Questions!? The QUESTION AGAIN If Jesus is not a trinity in The Qur'an, can you explain how 1. Jesus is a Human being and Messanger of Allah 2. Jesus is the Spirit of Allah 3. Jesus is the Word of Allah Note: A spirit is not a human being and the Word of Allah is not the same as the Spirit of Allah! honesttalk21: BY THE WORD shows how the world was made sir. It is NOT a Word FROM ...which is what Jesus was! No matter how you twist it, Mohammed was just copying the Christians Simple English honesttalk21: Is it TRUE that "Arabic Ruhullah" translates to "رُوحُ الله" which means "Spirit of God" in English and NOT Spirit FROM God? Is it TRUE that "Arabic Kalimullah" translates to "كلمة الله" which means "Word of God" in English and NOT Word From God? Why do you find it so convenient inserting words into the Qur'an Allah didn't say? It is actually you Muslims that love to misrepresent words honesttalk21: The conveyed word of Allah is the Good Tiding, AND Jesus is the name of this WORD from Allah! Allah says: 1. I am sending a good news What is the Good News A WORD from Allah What is the name of the Word? Isa Masih (Jesus Messiah), the son of Maryam Even if you don't like it, it is the black and white word of Allah in the Qur'an. It's too clear no matter how you wish to twist it sir honesttalk21: According to Allah, Was Jesus created by BE? Is Breathing into the private part of Mary the same as BE? honesttalk21:Was Jesus given a book? What is the name of the book of Jesus? Allah says we sent to Mary our Spirit , Is the Spirit of Allah Jubril? What is Allah's spirit? Please be careful in answering these questions o! |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 2:57pm On Aug 19, 2023 |
For Christians,the Bible is considered the word of God, containing divine instructions and commandments for humanity to follow. It serves as a guidebook for believers, providing guidance, wisdom, and laws to lead a righteous and fulfilling life. The scriptures, from the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament to Jesus Christ's teachings in the New Testament, guide believers in morality, ethics, and faithful living. By adhering to these commandments, believers learn to love their neighbors, practice forgiveness, show mercy, and seek justice, promoting harmony, compassion, and community. The Bible also serves as a source of guidance and wisdom, offering practical advice on various topics such as relationships, finances, work, and family. It is viewed as authoritative and unchanging throughout generations, a testament to God's eternal nature and divine plan for humanity. By adhering to the commandments, believers strive to live a life pleasing to God, nurturing love, justice, and compassion within their communities. In conclusion, the Bible serves as a divine roadmap to salvation and fulfillment, providing guidance, moral principles, wisdom, and unchanging authority for believers. KJV Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. NKJV By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. NIV By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. New Living Translation By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen. In the last two versions you see the word revised as God's command. |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 3:01pm On Aug 19, 2023 |
Quran 3: 45:[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah] 46:He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous. 47:She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. 48:And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel 49:And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers 50:And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me. But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. Do we replace word with command to get a different meaning or you are like those who persist in disbelief mentioned in the paragraph above? |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 3:05pm On Aug 19, 2023 |
How wrong am I here that you are unable to make a comment? Is this a lie? As usual you singularly pick words out of a verse, how can this give meaning? We have shown you the fallacy in your previous translation to Quran 9:31 yet you still persist in singular translations? Do you think Arabic is not a complete language and borrows from everywhere and anywhere like English language? TenQ: honesttalk21: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by honesttalk21: 3:23pm On Aug 19, 2023 |
Yes Jibril is of the spirit of Allah. Knowledge of which mankind is only given little. Do you claim that mankind is as a wise God? Have you considered the arguments of the Arians? Not saying they are correct although they have been against the promotion of a divine nature of Jesus. Arianism holds theological position that arose in the fourth century regarding the divinity of Jesus Christ. Arius, the principal figure of this movement, put forth several key arguments against the belief in Jesus as fully divine. Firstly, he emphasized the unity of God and believed in a strict monotheism. Arius argued that if Jesus was truly divine, it would undermine the oneness of God and introduce a form of polytheism. Secondly, he claimed that since the Father is unbegotten, Jesus could not have been eternal or co-eternal with God. Arius believed that Jesus, as the Son, was created by God at a certain point in time and therefore had a beginning. Lastly, Arius pointed to biblical passages that appeared to portray Jesus as subordinate to God, undermining the idea of his full divinity. TenQ: |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 5:29pm On Aug 19, 2023 |
honesttalk21:I don't understand what you are getting at: is it that God didn't create everything by His word? |
Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ: 5:32pm On Aug 19, 2023 |
honesttalk21:It is even worse if we replace word with command. Quran 3: 45:[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a Is Jesus the command from God? If it is, then would you admit that by Jesus Allah created everything? |
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