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Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by KnowAll(m): 6:54pm On Aug 02, 2023
From my experience, governments in Africa who practice democracy are all about what they can acquire within the speculated time they allowed by their various constitutions.

As a result most of our states in Nigeria and most of our countries in Africa are less developed as supposed to be o ent dictators like Museveni of Uganda and Kegsme of Rwanda who really love their countries and are benevolent in allowing development of several sectors of the economy simultaneously.

So. Why don’t we look for a benevolent dictator.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by richidinho(m): 6:55pm On Aug 02, 2023
In Nigeria, the millitary built 4 refineriesgrin

In the 24yrs of democracy na only private refinery dem see commission grin

The Third Mainland bridge we are cruising today was built by the same guys

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Workch: 6:58pm On Aug 02, 2023
Sincerely, Democracy has so failed in Africa that we are begging for communism
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by LikeAking: 6:59pm On Aug 02, 2023
KnowAll:
From my experience, governments in Africa who practice democracy are all about what they can acquire within the speculated time they allowed by their various constitutions.

As a result most of our states in Nigeria and most of our countries in Africa are less developed as supposed to be o ent dictators like Museveni of Uganda and Kegsme of Rwanda who really love their countries and are benevolent in allowing development of several sectors of the economy simultaneously.

So. Why don’t we look for a benevolent dictator.

Truth!
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by LikeAking: 6:59pm On Aug 02, 2023
richidinho:
In Nigeria, the millitary built 4 refineriesgrin

In the 24yrs of democracy na only private refinery dem see commission grin

The Third Mainland bridge we are cruising today was built by the same guys

Truth!

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by LikeAking: 7:00pm On Aug 02, 2023
Workch:
Sincerely, Democracy has so failed in Africa that we are begging for communism

Communism is the solution for Africa..
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Workch: 7:03pm On Aug 02, 2023
richidinho:
In Nigeria, the millitary built 4 refineriesgrin

In the 24yrs of democracy na only private refinery dem see commission grin

The Third Mainland bridge we are cruising today was built by the same guys
I swear, Democracy is not working in Africa.

The best universities and road network in Nigeria today were built by the military and even most of our federal roads.

The democratic government are failing woefully to even break the records set by the military government even after decades.
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Blue3k(m): 7:03pm On Aug 02, 2023
Why a dictorship instead of a monarchy just curious?

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Workch: 7:05pm On Aug 02, 2023
Blue3k:
Why a dictorship instead of a monarchy just curious?
anyhow, Democracy is not just working in Africa

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by ivolt: 7:05pm On Aug 02, 2023
richidinho:
In Nigeria, the millitary built 4 refineriesgrin

In the 24yrs of democracy na only private refinery dem see commission grin

The Third Mainland bridge we are cruising today was built by the same guys
Stop lying, the military didn't build 4 refineries.
Only one refinery was completed under the military when Obasanjo was in charge.


BTW, Buhari built second Niger bridge.
Therefore, he should have been declared a life president.

I hope you don't have a voters card.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by MEEVEET: 7:07pm On Aug 02, 2023
KnowAll:
From my experience, governments in Africa who practice democracy are all about what they can acquire within the speculated time they allowed by their various constitutions.

As a result most of our states in Nigeria and most of our countries in Africa are less developed as supposed to be o ent dictators like Museveni of Uganda and Kegsme of Rwanda who really love their countries and are benevolent in allowing development of several sectors of the economy simultaneously.

So. Why don’t we look for a benevolent dictator.
Africa need to do what Europe did form countries alone ethnic lines simple

It kills tribal sentiment
Unit the people
Create healthy competition

Africa needs minimum of 250 nations minimum we have more diversity than Europe by far

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Workch: 7:08pm On Aug 02, 2023
ivolt:

Stop lying, the military didn't build 4 refineries.
Only one refinery was completed under the military when Obasanjo was in charge.


BTW, Buhari built second Niger bridge.
Therefore, he should have been declared a life president.

I hope you don't have a voters card.
the military built first Niger bridge, if you look at both bridges, you will agree with me that the first one has more quality.

The military upgraded Apapa port and during military regime, all ports in Nigeria were functioning maximally.

These are simple things that this wicked democratic government cannot do
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by ivolt: 7:19pm On Aug 02, 2023
Workch:
the military built first Niger bridge, if you look at both bridges, you will agree with me that the first one has more quality.
I don't deal in confusion.
What do you mean by quality?


The military upgraded Apapa port and during military regime, all ports in Nigeria were functioning maximally.
This is nonsense.
Even if you combine all the military regimes together, they
cannot rival the economic expansion of Apapa under civilan
rule since 1999.
Importers will understand what I am saying.
List the ports that are not functioning.




These are simple things that this wicked democratic government cannot do
Ordinary Lagos state government built Lekki deep seaport, Akwa ibom is also
in the works.
So there is nothing special about port.
The military did nothing for Nigeria.
They ruined the country with lack of vision.
Gowon once said the problem of Nigeria was how to spend money
during the oil boom.
Yet, after 9 years in power, he had nothing to show for it.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by ivolt: 7:21pm On Aug 02, 2023
Benevolent dictator is a myth.
Just like the statement, Nigeria is a rich country.

Go and get yourself a copy of the Wealth of Nation to understand
how development works.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Workch: 7:22pm On Aug 02, 2023
ivolt:

I don't deal in confusion.
What do you mean by quality?


This is nonsense.
Even if you combine all the military regimes together, they
cannot rival the economic expansion of Apapa under civilan
rule since 1999.
Importers will understand what I am saying.
List the ports that are not functioning.




Ordinary Lagos state government built Lekki deep seaport, Akwa ibom is also
in the works.
So there is nothing special about port.
The military did nothing for Nigeria.
They ruined the country with lack of vision.
Gowon once said the problem of Nigeria was how to spend money
during the oil boom.
Yet, after 9 years in power, he had nothing to show for it.

Federal government is yet to build and maintain most seaport in Nigeria after the military.

Federal government is unable to secure the creeks after the military.

It's been 22 years, there absolutely nothing to show for democracy, development wise. Before democracy, Nigeria had 6 fully functioning ports and 3 working refineries, Democracy came and they messed it up.

It's not working
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by adebayo987: 7:28pm On Aug 02, 2023
Right! But trust me, you don't want it. First, the economy will do great but the people won't be able to enjoy it as there's nothing like freedom. They'll ban a lot of things including clubing, some kind of music, some kind of dressing, some kind of lifestyle, the media will be controlled, protest under any condition will be impossible, you can't japa as you're japaing now no matter your situations as there would be very strict border and travel rules, etc. during the military rule in Nigeria, some people were taken to a corner and shot dead simply because they walked past a soldier without greeting him. Women were raped at will by soldiers. The economy prospered under Abacha but we all suffered and suffocated under the military as freedom of ordinary movement was not present. We all lived in fear despite having a solid economy. We all cried that military rule should end and let democracy come. Ormo, the kind of freedom we have now to both do business, prosper, and even worship, is the best and that's exactly what we need. Once you take away that freedom, guy, na slave you be o. Na women go suffer most as rape will be flying about like flees and no one will be punished for it. There will be nothing like freedom fighters or human right agitation as the leader will be executed like Ken Saro Wiwa and nothing will happen. Ken's agitation was not even against Nigeria but against Shell but Abacha made it personal. That's how dictators respond to protests that threatens his pocket. Don't pray for it, my guy.
KnowAll:
From my experience, governments in Africa who practice democracy are all about what they can acquire within the speculated time they allowed by their various constitutions.

As a result most of our states in Nigeria and most of our countries in Africa are less developed as supposed to be o ent dictators like Museveni of Uganda and Kegsme of Rwanda who really love their countries and are benevolent in allowing development of several sectors of the economy simultaneously.

So. Why don’t we look for a benevolent dictator.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by franchasofficia: 7:32pm On Aug 02, 2023
Democracy is for advanced countries that have built strong institutions that are bigger than the president and Governors and legislators.


Democracy is for countries that have at least 70% educated citizens, who will be rational in making decisions when casting their votes.


Democracy is not for African countries made up of multi ethnicities, unless they will make it constitutional to rotate their Presidency amongst the major tribes that makeup the country.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by FoolishBoy419: 7:43pm On Aug 02, 2023
KnowAll:
From my experience, governments in Africa who practice democracy are all about what they can acquire within the speculated time they allowed by their various constitutions.

As a result most of our states in Nigeria and most of our countries in Africa are less developed as supposed to be o ent dictators like Museveni of Uganda and Kegsme of Rwanda who really love their countries and are benevolent in allowing development of several sectors of the economy simultaneously.

So. Why don’t we look for a benevolent dictator.

I have always had this view for years. A good democratic leader is powerless when surrounded by corrupt people and corrupt lawmakers. The courts are also there to frustrate corruption cases but a dictator has few factors against him (if you take out the possibility of a coup by corrupt military leaders).
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by KnowAll(m): 10:02pm On Aug 02, 2023
My thought was make the traditional leaders the deaf to leader and on the other hand he would pick a prime minister that would run d government.

Assuming we start with d Sultan of Sokoto as d head of state, the head of state would have 6 palaces in d 6 geographical areas where he would run the affairs of d country while d prime minister would be based in Abuja running d government.

The head of state would be head of state till death do him / her part.

The next head of state would be from d SW, that would be chosen through consensus or an election that head whoever emerges would be president for life. He would chose his prime minister who would run d government.

He would inherit all 6 palaces of d previous head of state and would live in each group political zone of an equal number of years or months .

After d SW it would move to d SE, Ss & SC
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by pansophist(m): 10:26pm On Aug 02, 2023
You are right.

No African country will grow with democracy. Even the West was not democratic during its developing stage, and even now, it is still not democratic.

Also, democracy keeps leaders occupied with lining the pockets of their political sponsors, and fighting for the next election circle, wasting money, time, and the population's interest is not important.

Democracy makes you evade responsibility. You can just say that the country was bad because the previous administration destroyed it. It's the APC's fault, not PDP's.

Democracy also equalizes the vote of intellectuals like Soyinka to an almajiri. An almajiri will vote because you offered him a cup of kunu, and will sell his future and that of his country to a demagogue.

And since underdeveloped countries have more uneducated people, then they will vote in bad leaders at the expense of everyone, including themselves.

Also with democracy, long-term national planning is impossible since a new administration can just come and destroy everything.

Also, democracy has a loophole for infiltration, and external forces will exploit it (I am looking at you USA). They will fund another person no matter how of a sellout he is, then sponsor him with their big money to power, then he will reverse everything the previous leaders have done.

Democracy is also expensive. Look at the billions spent with every election circle. It is disastrous for a poor country like Nigeria.

Democracy is also not unifying. Fun fact. It is only in a democracy that you see leaders throwing chairs and punching at each other.

Democracy is also an imposed political system. And the west deliberately wants their ex-colony to be democratic, for easy infiltration. Hence they hate China for its close political system.

I can go on and on, but you get the gist

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by orisa37: 11:28pm On Aug 02, 2023
AFRICA NEEDS DEMOCRACY ABSOLUTELY.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Cromagnon: 3:58am On Aug 03, 2023
KnowAll:
From my experience, governments in Africa who practice democracy are all about what they can acquire within the speculated time they allowed by their various constitutions.

As a result most of our states in Nigeria and most of our countries in Africa are less developed as supposed to be o ent dictators like Museveni of Uganda and Kegsme of Rwanda who really love their countries and are benevolent in allowing development of several sectors of the economy simultaneously.

So. Why don’t we look for a benevolent dictator.
how do you look for a dictator?
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Cromagnon: 4:20am On Aug 03, 2023
LikeAking:


Communism is the solution for Africa..
Where he's communism worked

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by KnowAll(m): 4:43am On Aug 03, 2023
pansophist:
You are right.

No African country will grow with democracy. Even the West was not democratic during its developing stage, and even now, it is still not democratic.

Also, democracy keeps leaders occupied with lining the pockets of their political sponsors, and fighting for the next election circle, wasting money, time, and the population's interest is not important. D it

Democracy makes you evade responsibility. You can just say that the country was bad because the previous administration destroyed it. It's the APC's fault, not PDP's.

Also with democracy, long-term national planning is impossible since a new administration can just come and destroy everything.

Also, democracy has a loophole for infiltration, and external forces will exploit it (I am looking at you USA). They will fund another person no matter how of a sellout he is, then sponsor him with their big money to power, then he will reverse everything the previous leaders have done.

Democracy is also expensive. Look at the billions spent with every election circle. It is disastrous for a poor country like Nigeria.

Democracy is also not unifying. Fun fact. It is only in a democracy that you see leaders throwing chairs and punching at each other.

Democracy is also an imposed political system. And the west deliberately wants their ex-colony to be democratic, for easy infiltration. Hence they hate China for its close political system.

I can go on and on, but you get the gist
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Gerrard59(m): 6:30am On Aug 03, 2023
pansophist:
You are right.

No African country will grow with democracy. Even the West was not democratic during its developing stage, and even now, it is still not democratic.



I can go on and on, but you get the gist

Benevolent dictatorships can work in places that are homogenous and have pragmatic cultural practices. Benevolent dictatorship cannot work in heterogeneous countries with varying cultures, religions and belief systems. Around the world, the most prosperous countries are those which have similar cultures, dominant or single racial groups, practice capitalism and have pragmatic cultural practices. In return, amongst wealthier nations, those which are homogenous tend to be the safest. Norway is safer than the UK. South Korea is safer than France. Even in less wealthier nations that are homogenous, they have less crime rates than their counterparts which are heterogeneous and have dogmatic cultures. Namibia is way better off than Somalia. Zambia is better off than Ethiopia.

Diversity is not really a good thing as some people opine. And if a society must be diverse, certain people should be barred from being part of that society.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Gerrard59(m): 6:32am On Aug 03, 2023
LikeAking:


Communism is the solution for Africa..

Workch:
Sincerely, Democracy has so failed in Africa that we are begging for communism

Typed from devices which capitalism made accessible and affordable.

Go to school? Mbanu! Stay in class and listen attentively to your Economics teacher? For where!!

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by LikeAking: 10:49am On Aug 03, 2023
Cromagnon:

Where he's communism worked

China!

Forget about what the west has told you...

It's worked in China...

They still operete it till today.
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by LikeAking: 10:51am On Aug 03, 2023
Gerrard59:




Typed from devices which capitalism made accessible and affordable.

Go to school? Mbanu! Stay in class and listen attentively to your Economics teacher? For where!!

You are wrong the parts of the device I am using was made assesible and affordable for the whole world by communist China..

Forget about the western narrative..

It's will work in Nigeria if mordenised and practiced for what it truly is...

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by pansophist(m): 11:02am On Aug 03, 2023
Gerrard59:


Benevolent dictatorships can work in places that are homogenous and have pragmatic cultural practices. Benevolent dictatorship cannot work in heterogeneous countries with varying cultures, religions and belief systems. Around the world, the most prosperous countries are those which have similar cultures, dominant or single racial groups, practice capitalism and have pragmatic cultural practices. In return, amongst wealthier nations, those which are homogenous tend to be the safest. Norway is safer than the UK. South Korea is safer than France. Even in less wealthier nations that are homogenous, they have less crime rates than their counterparts which are heterogeneous and have dogmatic cultures. Namibia is way better off than Somalia. Zambia is better off than Ethiopia.

Diversity is not really a good thing as some people opine. And if a society must be diverse, certain people should be barred from being part of that society.

If by diversity you mean cultural diversity, then yes, I may agree with you. If by racial diversity, then no, there is nothing bad with that. Humans are the same regardless of colors, but by culture or religion, we will clash.

For most of human history (except when whites invented color-based discrimination), people killed themselves and fought each other because of tribe, culture, and religion, and never about skin color.

It is possible for different races to have the same cultural identity, Brazil and Russia are good examples of that. Brazil is the most diverse country on earth, and racial mixing has existed organically for so long, that you will mostly get class discrimination, not due to your race.

If you used Western standards to judge diversity, then yes, I think the Western model is wrong. Racism is just a deep part of their culture, making it seems like races cant coexist harmoniously. Lots of countries by makeup are heterogenous by default.

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Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Gerrard59(m): 1:40pm On Aug 03, 2023
pansophist:


If by diversity you mean cultural diversity, then yes, I may agree with you. If by racial diversity, then no, there is nothing bad with that. Humans are the same regardless of colors, but by culture or religion, we will clash.


If you used Western standards to judge diversity, then yes, I think the Western model is wrong. Racism is just a deep part of their culture, making it seems like races cant coexist harmoniously. Lots of countries by makeup are heterogenous by default.

https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1686775791055519747?s=20

Just like you stated, once the base is established, that is it. No going back.
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by AlexBells(m): 1:58pm On Aug 03, 2023
Workch:
the military built first Niger bridge, if you look at both bridges, you will agree with me that the first one has more quality.

The military upgraded Apapa port and during military regime, all ports in Nigeria were functioning maximally.

These are simple things that this wicked democratic government cannot do
Which Military built first NIGER BRIDGE
Re: Africa Needs A Benevolent Dictator Not Democracy??? by Depriest2020: 2:48pm On Aug 03, 2023
cool
A good example of a benevolent dictator is muammar Gaddafi of Libya.

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