Do you still believe in Juju? Can Africa prosper with Juju? Juju or black magic used to be very potent in Nigeria especially in the 80s and 90s. Juju comes from the traditional African religion popularly known as voodoo. This includes blood money and spiritual attacks. Some wicked men used to sacrifice the souls of their wives and children just to make money. Some used to sacrifice their friends, siblings, and even their parents just to make money. these people were killed mostly spiritually and their blood converted into money.

The money they say keeps coming as long as you continue to perform human sacrifice. many rich people in Nigeria today are at times accused of using blood money. Some people go in for Juju just for protection and sometimes for fame. Another form of Juju is witchcraft which is believed to be the lowest rank in terms of Juju powers. You could kill your enemies with juju or you could make their lives miserable with Juju. with Juju, you do not attack the person physically hence the law cannot punish you. These days because of Christianity, Islam, etc. most people don't believe in Juju powers. Juju is very popular in Benin(the motherland of voodoo) and also Haiti. Not just Africans. Even some Native Americans such as the Cherokees and the Apaches believe in Juju powers.

Some people believe such powers do not exist but that is a huge mistake. We could just pray without watching if there were no dark powers around us but the Bible said "Watch and Pray". If God is light then there must be darkness. I personally do believe dark powers exist although those are powerless before God most high. The fact that they are powerless before God Almighty does not mean they cannot harm mortal men. Although juju may sound strange to some people, voodoo is part of our(African) culture and traditions. In other words, Africans cannot throw away voodoo. voodoo is part of Africa. The difference between Juju and voodoo(the traditional African religion) is that, the traditional African religion or voodoo mostly helps people unlike Juju which mostly harms people. Voodoo practitioners are mostly herbalists and wise men who use combination of herbs, barks of trees, etc. to cure diseases. Some get the knowledge from the ancestral spirits and the lesser gods they worship. Juju performers on the other hand use strange objects like the skull of dead animals, human skulls, etc to perform juju powers which mostly harms people. In some situations when they know they cannot help, instead of telling people straight away, they demand for even insane items like the front tooth of a herbivorous lion, the sperm of a dinosaur, etc which are impossible to find.

I learned recently that Juju is on the rise in Nigeria because many people want to become rich and escape the poverty trap. Those who perform juju for people or the overseers of Juju are mostly traditional worshippers like the voodoo worshippers in Benin, Haiti and Togo who worship ancestral spirits and lesser gods. That position is passed on from generation to generation. In other words, you take over from your late father if your late father was a Juju performer. Do you still believe in Juju? Can Africa prosper with Juju? do you believe in supernatural powers at all?

Good write up, and on point as well

You people need Jesus.

Sorry your plan failed before it even started.

@ebenezer95
It is a pity that some people do not know what a Vodun, and write about it.
I am no expert on the cult, but has nothing to do with magic.
A Vodun is an ancestor, and that was based on the cult.
I regret the rest of your comment.
My respects.

@tpia@
Totally off topic.
The issue raised requires knowledge of general culture and history.
I understand that you lack it, but left alone to Jesus, that has nothing to do with the subject.

I GUESS VERY FEW PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE COURAGE OR KNOWLEDGE TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:
If juju is real and has been used by nigerian people for all manner of things, how come the white man walked all over us - destroying shrines, burning homes, killing men, pillaging our land? How come they crushed our armies, conquered our empires, deposed kings and obas (who were supposed to have strong juju priests around them)
Let's start with logical reasoning before we go to personal experience which may be faulty. How come we were not the ones conquering the white men and they speaking our language? And nobody please talk about 'oyibo juju' please or equate scientific feats like the mobile phone or aeroplanes with 'juju' because that'd be simply too dumb...I have read something like that somewhere.
I have seen a lot of bizarre magic tricks, bizarre indeed - like a showman plucking ideas out of people's minds without them giving any indication, levitating, walking on water, changing water into wine, swallowing swords but they've never claimed the power of the supernatural. These were tricks. I will be investigating myself into juju some more but I wonder, logically, how come our juju never worked when we needed it. Re: Things Fall Apart - where was Agbala, Idemili, Amadioha, Ojukwu when the white man came and forced their people to a new religion? I'd like someone to answer that please

I will just close this case. Let me give you proof that God or deities or the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods do not exist. Case closed!

I do not know what people you are referring.
Maybe inherited, you are talking about pedophile pastors, or ladones who live off the tithes.
Instead of opening a thread poisonous, why do not you ask your pastor why he steals your money by charging tithe.
You and your country have lived for centuries under the rule of the gods that colonizadoes imposed on them. You and your ancestors have been on their knees praying in front of them ... Perhaps their ancestors were slaves ... and you must embrace in order to study the Bible ... your family, to eat ... should kiss the feet of Christ the King, and the Europeans ... You see an independent country ? You believe?
I'll tell you what was the cost of your choosing:
1 Africa is the world's poorest
2. Nigeria has oil, but has no light, no electric power and water shortage.
3. Africa is the continent that has more infant deaths per capita.
4. This is where AIDS has the highest number of infected.
5. Africa is the continent worst levels of health ...
Leave it here ...
That is the beautiful mind that your god has made you inherit.
To you, your children and family ... ...
Be happy ... but you try to get rid of the mental chains that still remain a slave.
And you learn to respect their peers and their ancestors.
Pray a lot, but you know that's not enough.

Juju is all over the World.

Juju,black power,vodoo ? I agree with their existence but blood money?that's super smelling BS !

@comsense

What you percieve as logic might not be logic for God. If God wanted to stay out of what is called "human logic" then he could do so. Many times it is difficult to understand God's will. This is because we cannot always see God's logic before it is explained to us, or something takes place.

StarFlux: @comsense

What you percieve as logic might not be logic for God. If God wanted to stay out of what is called "human logic" then he could do so. Many times it is difficult to understand God's will. This is because we cannot always see God's logic before it is explained to us, or something takes place.

Unfortunately, you would have to demonstrate this God exists before you can confidently speak about what he might want or do or act. How come you know about this much about this God?

comnsense:

Unfortunately, you would have to demonstrate this God exists before you can confidently speak about what he might want or do or act. How come you know about this much about this God?

I don't need to prove God to you. God is everywhere. It's up to you whether you want to accept God or not. Jesus said:

Revelation 3:20
"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me".

Look at yourself and realize how incredible your mind and body is, then look outside at nature. That is why I tell you: God is everywhere.

StarFlux:

I don't need to prove God to you. God is everywhere. It's up to you whether you want to accept God or not. Jesus said:

Now, you've brought Jesus into the debate. We haven't finished with God and you bring the white man's Jesus whom you've been brainwashed to believe in.

Look at yourself and realize how incredible your mind and body is, then look outside at nature. That is why I tell you: God is everywhere.

You think I and other atheists didn't know about the wonders of the human body and in nature before we said there was no God. This is the cheapest argument for God. Ever heard of Evolution - or you dispute what is a scientific fact? Evolution explains the wonder of my body and mind. Go read up.

As I said, it's up to you.

I told you where to find God, yet you keep arguing. Why is that, are you bothered? I mention Jesus because it is necessary.

Here's a part of an excellent article:

All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.13

Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

Source: http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

StarFlux: As I said, it's up to you.

I told you where to find God, yet you keep arguing. Why is that, are you bothered? I mention Jesus because it is necessary.

Here's a part of an excellent article:
Source: http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

'God is all around me' is no place to find God. How can I find something that does not exist. What I see all around me is not God or evidence for God. Go read up on evolution proper; I cannot start breaking down the theory here to explain your fascination with the programming of human cells. If it takes a designer to program the human body as you have just said, then that designer must itself be a more complex, more programmed being. Then who/what programmed that designer.
In other words, who made God. Don't start making any silly leap of faith and say 'God had no beginning' because that is not logical or scientific. You used logic to argue that our programmed bodies must have had a designer, therefore, keep with that same logic and tell us what designer designed the designer/God who designed our bodies. Where does it all end? If you want to argue that because it is complex and incredible, it must have a designer, then your God is also complex and incredible, who designed God then?
And please leave Jesus out of it - he has no business here. He was just some jewish scholar among others who was persecuted and killed. You may believe he rose from the dead and is God but that is your belief, without evidence and illogical. Let's stick to what matters, that which is logical.

Well, there are many flaws in your way of thinking. You assume everything needs to have a beginning. That is not necessarily true or a provable fact. Then you also indirectly bring in time. I will give you a "logical" example of my idea. God is not bound by our rules, and that includes time. It is said in the Bible that to God, one day is like a 1000 years, and a 1000 years like a day. Because you based your arguement on time, it will fall. There are many things we humans have yet to understand, and may never understand. So in a sense, we are limited. Therefore, disproving God, Who is unlimited, will not work.

Again with this "logic" of yours. There are many things which appears as illogical at first, but then appears as logical later. Agree? Jesus already defied your sense of "logic" when He died and rose again. Perhaps that Jesus came back alive seems illogical to you, but isn't the reason He died for us logical? He died for our sins so we can have a place in heaven. That is very logical considering our sinful nature. We will perhaps never understand how Jesus came back alive because it is beyond our understanding, but we do know the reason! So I ask you: why is YOUR "logic" so important to you? God is here, whether you percieve Him as logical or not. Isn't it then logical that your logic is not unlimited like God, so you cannot apply your logic to everything. God is unlimited and that's why there is nothing He cannot do.

StarFlux: Well, there are many flaws in your way of thinking. You assume everything needs to have a beginning. That is not necessarily true or a provable fact. Then you also indirectly bring in time. I will give you a "logical" example of my idea. God is not bound by our rules, and that includes time. It is said in the Bible that to God, one day is like a 1000 years, and a 1000 years like a day. Because you based your arguement on time, it will fall. There are many things we humans have yet to understand, and may never understand. So in a sense, we are limited. Therefore, disproving God, Who is unlimited, will not work.

Again with this "logic" of yours. There are many things which appears as illogical at first, but then appears as logical later. Agree? Jesus already defied your sense of "logic" when He died and rose again. Perhaps that Jesus came back alive seems illogical to you, but isn't the reason He died for us logical? He died for our sins so we can have a place in heaven. That is very logical considering our sinful nature. We will perhaps never understand how Jesus came back alive because it is beyond our understanding, but we do know the reason! So I ask you: why is YOUR "logic" so important to you? God is here, whether you percieve Him as logical or not. Isn't it then logical that your logic is not unlimited like God, so you cannot apply your logic to everything. God is unlimited and that's why there is nothing He cannot do.

Is this a debate? A debate is showing how you arrive at conclusions from logical premises. With all due respects, I feel small getting into this with you because you are showing that you haven't the first clue about how to lay a valid argument. You bring in the bible to argue with an atheist - how can I take that seriously? I never said 'everything has to have a beginning'. Go read my last post again. On the contrary, I said you cannot claim anything incredible and complex, like my body, has to have a beginning otherwise you have to extend that same logic to God and show us God's beginning. (Is this too much to understand?) You bring in Jesus' death and resurrection - what is this? You haven't yet demonstrated any of that flap is true so how can you bring it into an argument. God is unlimited? How do you know this? Any proof (And please not the bible. A proof objective and verifiable to all).
You said

I will give you a "logical" example of my idea. God is not bound by our rules, and that includes time. It is said in the Bible that to God, one day is like a 1000 years, and a 1000 years like a day. Because you based your arguement on time, it will fall. There are many things we humans have yet to understand, and may never understand. So in a sense, we are limited. Therefore, disproving God, Who is unlimited, will not work.

Is this logic? You simply made a series of conclusions that you haven't demonstrated how you arrived at. How and why is God not bound by our rules and time? Who is God first and is he even there? You have got to show these first before making statements about God - that is logic.
Now let me ask you. If God is all powerful and all merciful, why did Jesus have to die so he could forgive us? Why couldn't he just forgive us? Was he able to forgive us without Jesus dying? This last question can only have two answers, yes or no. If yes, then either Jesus was a fraud or God/Jesus was simply showing off to impress us and win our adoration, praise and worship. That is too low for any God.
If no, then God is limited and not all powerful like you say.
This is how you show by logic that the death of Jesus itself is a logical fallacy against God and the message of christianity. It is not really your fault; your forefathers too busy being scared by the white man and his silly message of hell and heaven were not able to see this insane flaw in the claim of christianity.

If you understood my arguement at all, then you wouldn't be asking all these questions. I suggest re-reading it. I explained why time/beggining doesn't have to apply to God. There are many fundamental difference between God and humans. God is eternal - the human body is not. God is without sin. God is everywhere. Just to mention a few. So no, that "logic" doesn't have to apply to humans at all.

Also, the rest of your arguement aimed towards Jesus just shows that you have no knowledge of Christianity. Jesus died because death was necessary. The punishment for sin (in this case our sin) is death.
I still think my arguement is reasonable and I will leave the rest up to you. I also don't respond well to insults.
So my friend, this is it for me. I would love to continue this discussion, but when you can't discuss in a proper manner, I will leave before it gets ugly.

I wish you all the best!

StarFlux: If you understood my arguement at all, then you wouldn't be asking all these questions. I suggest re-reading it. I explained why time/beggining doesn't have to apply to God.

Also, the rest of your arguement aimed towards Jesus just shows that you have no knowledge of Christianity. Jesus died because death was necessary. The punishment for sin is death.
I still think my arguement is reasonable and I will leave the rest up to you. I also don't respond well to insults.
So my friend, this is it for me. I would love to continue this discussion, but when you can't discuss in a proper manner, I will leave before it gets ugly.

I wish you all the best!

i disagree. it depends on what kind of sin. though i agree with one point of yours. jesus deserved death. his sin was causing communal violence and indirectly spreading hatred and causing most of todays World problems.

PAGAN 9JA:



i disagree. it depends on what kind of sin. though i agree with one point of yours. jesus deserved death. his sin was causing communal violence and indirectly spreading hatred and causing most of todays World problems.

I never said Jesus deserved death. Don't twist my words.

Jesus did not sin. Do not blame Jesus for the mistakes of men.

StarFlux: I never said Jesus deserved death. Don't twist my words.

Jesus did not sin. Do not blame Jesus for the mistakes of men.

StarFlux: Jesus died because death was necessary. The punishment for sin (in this case our sin) is death.

you just changed your words. and wasnt jesus a man himself

PAGAN 9JA:




you just changed your words. and wasnt jesus a man himself

It was pretty obvious whose sin I was referring to. And I'm pretty sure you knew. Jesus was and is without sin, and death did not defeat Him. Jesus is both fully man and fully God. Now you can read up in your own Bible.

This discussion is over for my part.

StarFlux: It was pretty obvious whose sin I was referring to. And I'm pretty sure you knew. Jesus was and is without sin, and death did not defeat Him. Jesus is both fully man and fully God. Now you can read up in your own Bible.

This discussion is over for my part.

how did you know death did not defeat him is he part of justice league or star wars and why are you running away not that i expected much from you. .

PAGAN 9JA:
Juju is all over the World.

True !

PAGAN 9JA:



how did you know death did not defeat him is he part of justice league or star wars and why are you running away not that i expected much from you. .

Well my friend, the best advice I can give to you is to pray to God and ask for forgiveness, share your troubles and questions with Him - search for God with all your heart. I believe I have said what is necessary in this thread, and I will not bite on your attempt to ridicule.

Be safe.

StarFlux: If you understood my arguement at all, then you wouldn't be asking all these questions. I suggest re-reading it. I explained why time/beggining doesn't have to apply to God. There are many fundamental difference between God and humans. God is eternal - the human body is not. God is without sin. God is everywhere. Just to mention a few. So no, that "logic" doesn't have to apply to humans at all.

Also, the rest of your arguement aimed towards Jesus just shows that you have no knowledge of Christianity. Jesus died because death was necessary. The punishment for sin (in this case our sin) is death.
I still think my arguement is reasonable and I will leave the rest up to you. I also don't respond well to insults.
So my friend, this is it for me. I would love to continue this discussion, but when you can't discuss in a proper manner, I will leave before it gets ugly.

I wish you all the best!

You keep saying God is eternal and beyond time. I have repeatedly said that you cannot make a statement like that without first demonstrating by verifiable proof that God exists. But even if we let you get away with that, let's look at the other thing you said. "It was necessary for Jesus to die because the punishment for sin is death" Who/What made that rule to punish sin with death? Who would be doing the punishing? Is God powerful enough to overturn this rule? The last question is the main one. Either God is powerful enough to overturn that rule or not - it has to be one or the other. Either answer has serious consequences for the theory that Jesus died for our sins. Like I mentioned earlier, an answer of yes shows that Jesus' death was simply a show off and not really a sacrifice; an answer of no shows that God is himself bound under a law, not all powerful and limited.
This is simple and straightforward and you can't escape that logic whether you argue from now until the cows come home.

StarFlux: Well my friend, the best advice I can give to you is to pray to God and ask for forgiveness, share your troubles and questions with Him - search for God with all your heart. I believe I have said what is necessary in this thread, and I will not bite on your attempt to ridicule.

Be safe.

i will not ask forgiveness for crimes i have never comitted. it seems your God is a God of criminals.

Watch this and make your own decision:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xbVlx2N3hc

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Juju is not evil. Blood money is over exaggerated by Nollywood. And most of wat u watch about Traditionalist are pure lies against traditional ways

Voodoo is a spiritual practice, it's not about killing for money or anything like that.

Ritual killing is not part of vodun, or any African pagan practice. (at least known that I know of)

Juju is also everywhere in the world, it's wat English call "magic" and "sorcery"
In a deeper thought, juju is advanced science.

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