FxMasterz:


They hate the truth. The god of this world has blinded their minds lest the light of the gospel of Christ should shine in their hearts.

Sometimes, I just wish that God would end the world now so that the deceivers and the deceived would know their fate.

You mentioned something about Taoheed sometime ago, would you please enlighten me?

Just as we Christians have the doctrine of Trinity, Muslims have the doctrine of Taoheed.
Taoheed principally says that Allah is ONE (Oneness of Allah).

Unfortunately, even though it sounded good on paper, on scrutiny, it has its achiles heel as unknowingly to Muslims, Taoheed also sets a limitation on the power of Allah.

One of this days, I will write something about the Taoheed and it's limitations

correctguy101:


You got it all wrong...

The painful doom means not hell....

It's prolly what will happen to you if you do not heed the words of the messenger. A painful violent death...

You should know what many faced for refusing to listen to or believe our prophet.... They were unlucky to not receive his forgiveness and they were ...

Well, it's all their fault, not our prophets'.. Who told them to be disobedient...

Thank you for your response

Let me prove it to you that it is not about any painful violent death.

1. Read the verses below and Let's look at the verse closely and in context.

Qur'an 25:1
"Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion [the Quran] upon His Servant that he may be to the worlds a clear warner."

Qur'an 46:9
Say, “I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner.”

The question is:
Why is Mohammed a Warner to the world?
Was it to prevent a painful violent death?

2. Look at the verse Qur'an 46:31 and answer the question after it

Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah's Messenger and believe in Him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

a. Was this verse referring to both humans and Jinn or only humans?
b. If the verse refer to both humans and Jinn, how do you think the Jinn would be delivered from a painful death?

3. A painful violent death!?
By who?
And can Mohammed kill the Jinn?


The answer to these three questions show that Qur'an 46:31 refer to the punishment of Allah which is Hell Fire!

TenQ:

Just as we Christians have the doctrine of Trinity, Muslims have the doctrine of Taoheed.
Taoheed principally says that Allah is ONE (Oneness of Allah).

Unfortunately, even though it sounded good on paper, on scrutiny, it has its achiles heel as unknowingly to Muslims, Taoheed also sets a limitation on the power of Allah.

One of this days, I will write something about the Taoheed and it's limitations

I still don't understand. I'll be looking forward to your post on the topic.

FxMasterz:


I still don't understand. I'll be looking forward to your post on the topic.

The major thrust of Islam was to create a new religion to counter Christianity especially with respect to the doctrine of Trinity.

Mohammed thought that Trinity was a coalition of
God,
Mary and
Jesus As the Trinity.


Qur'an 4:171
"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three (Trinity) ; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs


Below is Mohammed's understanding of Trinity.

Qur'an 5:116
"And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?' He will say, 'Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.'"


Taoheed was a concept that negates the Trinity (according to the understanding of Mohammed) by saying that Allah is one and not three!

TenQ:

The major thrust of Islam was to create a new religion to counter Christianity especially with respect to the doctrine of Trinity.

Mohammed thought that Trinity was a coalition of
God,
Mary and
Jesus As the Trinity.


Qur'an 4:171
"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three (Trinity) ; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs


Below is Mohammed's understanding of Trinity.

Qur'an 5:116
"And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?' He will say, 'Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.'"


Taoheed was a concept that negates the Trinity (according to the understanding of Mohammed) by saying that Allah is one and not three!

I see.

Meaning antichristian, legalwolf, drlateef, Lukuluku69, truthday and their co-slaves know the personalities that make up the Trinity more than Allah does. Hehehe. God, Jesus and Mary? Funny!

TenQ:

Thank you for your response

Let me prove it to you that it is not about any painful violent death.

1. Read the verses below and Let's look at the verse closely and in context.

Qur'an 25:1
"Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion [the Quran] upon His Servant that he may be to the worlds a clear warner."

Qur'an 46:9
Say, “I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner.”

The question is:
Why is Mohammed a Warner to the world?
Was it to prevent a painful violent death?

2. Look at the verse Qur'an 46:31 and answer the question after it

Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah's Messenger and believe in Him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

a. Was this verse referring to both humans and Jinn or only humans?
b. If the verse refer to both humans and Jinn, how do you think the Jinn would be delivered from a painful death?

3. A painful violent death!?
By who?
And can Mohammed kill the Jinn?


The answer to these three questions show that Qur'an 46:31 refer to the punishment of Allah which is Hell Fire!

Kill the Jinn? Why mention the Jinn?

All the verses you quoted never mentioned hell as the doom . It all rightly calls our prophet a warner. Yes, a warner. Warner to what? A painful doom. History and real life events explains what this painful doom truly is. A painful violent death...

You quoted that Q-46:31 two sure numbers... and I believe it's clearly talking to people. Living people whom the message was meant for, unless there's a way to proselytize to jinns... And I very much doubt that there's any...

Are you saying the prophet will forgive jinns too? That verse is clearly talking to bloody civilians.

And why do you and Mr Mayn like this so-called orthodoxy definions ish so much? This ancestor was talking about what really went down and what those who didn't "listen to or believe" our prophet faced in many real life events throughout history. It's the same unforgiveness I always warn you about everytime...

There be many things that go down in reality that their orthodox definitions seems incapable of accurately explaining.

An enigma like yours truly is one of such. The words to describe this daddy, dem never still born the person wey go coin am....

No joke..

correctguy101:



Kill the Jinn? Why mention the Jinn?

All the verses you quoted never mentioned hell as the doom . It all rightly calls our prophet a warner. Yes, a warner. Warner to what? A painful doom. History and real life events explains what this painful doom truly is. A painful violent death...

You quoted that Q-46:31 two sure numbers... and I believe it's clearly talking to people. Living people whom the message was meant for, unless there's a way to proselytize to jinns... And I very much doubt that there's any...

Are you saying the prophet will forgive jinns too? That verse is clearly talking to bloody civilians.

And why do you and Mr Mayn like this so-called orthodoxy definions ish so much? This ancestor was talking about what really went down and what those who didn't "listen to or believe" our prophet faced in many real life events throughout history. It's the same unforgiveness I always warn you about everytime...

There be many things that go down in reality that their orthodox definitions seems incapable of accurately explaining.

An enigma like yours truly is one of such. The words to describe this daddy, dem never still born the person wey go coin am....

No joke..

I asked you three questions

1. Why is Mohammed a Warner to the world?
Was it to prevent a painful violent death?

2a. Was this verse referring to both humans and Jinn or only humans?
b. If the verse refer to both humans and Jinn, how do you think the Jinn would be delivered from a painful death?

3. A painful violent death!?
By who?
And can Mohammed kill the Jinn?

1. Why is Mohammed a Warner to the world?
Was it to prevent a painful violent death?

You said:

Warner to what? A painful doom. History and real life events explains what this painful doom truly is. A painful violent death... cheesy

This is obviously a big LIE and you know it.

You are saying theat the purpose of Mohammed was to warn people about dying painful deaths!?
Did not Mohammed himself die a painful death?
Meaning that he's a false prophet!





2a. Was this verse referring to both humans and Jinn or only humans?
b. If the verse refer to both humans and Jinn, how do you think the Jinn would be delivered from a painful death?


It seems you've never read your Tafsirs on Qur'an 46:31. Your Tafsirs brought in the issue of the Jinn not me.

Let me give you some extracts
1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir Qur'an 46:29-32

(And (remember) when We sent towards you a group of the Jinn , to listen to the Qur'an.) "They were at a place called Nakhlah while Allah's Messenger was performing the `Isha' prayer, and (they crowded on top of each other to hear him.)....
(O our people! Respond to Allah's Caller,) This is proof that Muhammad has been sent to both the human beings and the Jinns. Thus, Allah says,
(Respond to Allah's Caller and believe in him.) Then Allah says, (He will then forgive you some of your sins,) Some scholars say that "some'' here is auxiliary, but this is questionable since it is rarely used to strengthen an affirmative meaning. Others say that it means partial forgiveness.


2. Al-Maududi Tafsir Qur'an 46.29-32
... On the way, when he halted at Nakhlah, and was reciting the Qur'an in the 'Isha' or the Fajr or the Tahajjud Prayer, a group of the jinns happened to pass by and stopped to listen to him. In this connection, all the traditions agree that on this occasion the jinns did not appear before the Holy Prophet, nor did he feel their presence, but Allah informed him afterwards by revelation that they had come and listened to the Qur'anic recitation.
... This shows that these jinns had already had faith in the Prophet Moses and in the Divine Books. After hearing the Qur'an they felt that it gave the same teachings as the former Prophets had been preaching. Therefore, they believed in this Book forthwith and also in the Holy prophet who had brought it.
Authentic traditions show that after this several deputations of the jinns visited the Holy Prophet, one after the other, and met him face to face. When all the traditions related in the collections of Hadith on this subject are read together, it appears that at least six deputations had visited him in Makkah before the Hijrah....
Many years later Ibn Mas'ud saw a group of the villagers at Kufa and said that the group of the jinns he had seen at Hajun closely resembled those people. (Ibn Jarir).
This sentence might also be a part of the saying of the jinns, or it might be an addition by Allah to their saying. In view of the context the second view seems to be more reasonable.


Since the Jinn were involved, the painful doom cannot be death but the punishment of Allah in hell except you want to be deceptive.





3. A painful violent death!?
By who?
And can Mohammed kill the Jinn?

Again, I ask you this question
Mohammed cannot kill the Jinn, can he?
Who would execute the punishment of painful death on people who didn't listen to Mohammed?

FxMasterz:


I see.

Meaning antichristian, legalwolf, drlateef, Lukuluku69, truthday and their co-slaves know the personalities that make up the Trinity more than Allah does. Hehehe. God, Jesus and Mary? Funny!

Modern Muslims truly know more than both Mohammed and Allah.
This is why, to win an argument, they don't mind twisting both Allah's words and Mohammed's words.

Do you now resort to force upon muslims the excesses of Christians or is it Christianity in excessive veneration of Jesus pbuh to equating him to God?

This is definitely one reason Muhammad pbuh disliked and commanded that nothing should be written about him. We have severally had discussions where it has been emphasized the challenges in translation of languages into English particularly the Sementic languages.

It is more likely a waste of my time as
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

إِنَّكَ لَا تَهۡدِي مَنۡ أَحۡبَبۡتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَهۡدِي مَن يَشَآءُ ۚ وَهُوَ أَعۡلَمُ بِٱلۡمُهۡتَدِينَ
"Indeed, [O Muhammad], you do not guide whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He is most knowing of the [rightly] guided."

Do you know what a Jussive verb is? Have you considered it's use in and translations from Hebrew language?

Quran 46:31 uses the jussive verb يغفر (yaghfir) to convey a powerful message from Allah. It encourages believers to respond to the Messenger of Allah and believe in him, as Allah will forgive their sins and protect them from punishment. This verse emphasizes the importance of faith and forgiveness, highlighting the gravity of sin and the consequences it can have. It calls for believers to seek forgiveness, embrace the teachings of the Prophet, and strive for righteousness to attain divine mercy and protection from painful consequences.


Translation of the meaning of this verse and not the misleading translation of the verse is ,
"O our people, respond to the Messenger of Allah and believe in him; Allah will forgive for you your sins and protect you from a painful punishment."

The jussive form of the verb يغفر (yaghfir) indicates a command or a plea to seek forgiveness and mercy from Allah. This verse emphasizes the importance of believing in the Messenger of Allah and following his teachings, as it promises the believers that Allah will forgive their sins and shield them from punishment.

The command to respond and believe in the Messenger of Allah establishes the relationship between faith and forgiveness. Believing in the message and following the teachings of the Prophet is the path to attain Allah's forgiveness and mercy.


Allah says
Announce, (O Muhammad) to My slaves that verily I am the Forgiving, the Merciful. Q15: 49

I am Forgiving to those who repent and believe and do good, and afterward follow right guidance. Q20: 82

Moses pbuh prayed: You are our Protector: so forgive us and give us Your mercy; for you are the best of those who forgive. (7: 155)

And as you are want to get carried away remember Allah gives mankind this attribute to forgive and encourages the act.

And hasten towards forgiveness from your Lord and a Paradise as vast as the heavens and the earth, prepared for those mindful ˹of Allah˺.
˹They are˺ those who donate in prosperity and adversity, control their anger, and pardon others. And Allah loves the good-doers.
Q3:133-134

"O you who have believed, indeed, among your wives and your children are enemies to you, so beware of them. But if you pardon and overlook and forgive - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
(Q64:14)

"Allah witnesses that there is no deity except Him, and [so do] the angels and those of knowledge - [that He is] maintaining [creation] in justice. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
(Q3:18)

TenQ:
1. Mohammed Forgives the Sins of Muslims


When you ask Muslims the question :
Who has the power to forgive sin, they would say "it's only Allah!".

But today, I will show you that
It is either that
1. Mohammed is the same as Allah
2. Mohammed is a partner with Allah
3. Mohammed has the power of Allah to forgive sin

Qur'an 46:31
يَٰقَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ دَاعِىَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ

Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah's Messenger and believe in Him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

Let me walk us through this verse
1. Who is speaking?
Answer: Allah!
2. Who is the Subject?
Answer: Mohammed!
3. What were Allah's instructions?
Answer: Muslims should respond to Mohammed, Allah's Messenger
4. Why should Mohammed be obeyed According the Allah?
Answer :
a. Mohammed will forgive Muslims (and Jinn) of their sins
b. Mohammed will guard Muslims from a painful doom (probably hell fire or Allah's judgment)


2. Mohammed is one who admits Muslims into paradise
One would think that it is Allah that should admit people into paradise but no, it is Mohammed.

Sahih al-Bukhari 7410
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah will gather the believers on the Day of Resurrection in the same way (as they are gathered in this life), and they will say, 'Let us ask someone to intercede for us with our Lord that He may relieve us from this place of ours.
........
Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit whom I will admit into Paradise. I will come back again, and when I see my Lord (again), I will fall down in prostration before Him, and He will leave me (in prostration) as long as He wishes, and then He will say, 'O Muhammad! Raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request);
.......
Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit to whom I will admit into Paradise. I will come back and say, 'O my Lord! None remains in Hell (Fire) but those whom Qur'an has imprisoned therein and for whom eternity in Hell (Fire) has become inevitable.' " The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "There will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: 'La ilaha illal-lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then there will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: ' La ilaha illal-lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of a wheat grain. Then there will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: 'La ilaha illal-lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of an atom (or a smallest ant).


This is repeated in the following hadiths
1. Sahih al-Bukhari 4476
2. Hadith 36, 40 Hadith Qudsi


3. A person must associate specifically Muhammad with Allah in order to become a Muslim by reciting the Shahada
The statement of the Shahada:
"There is no god but Allah AND Muhammad is his prophet".

No one can become a Muslim without Recitation of this shahada with allegiance to Mohammed.


Questions:
1. If Mohammed can forgive sins of both Man and Jinn, is he not a partner with Allah?
2. If Mohammed can choose who to admit or not admit in paradise, is he not a partner with Allah?
3. Is it possible to recite the Shahada without associating Allah with Mohammed?




Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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Misinterpretation and misleading understandings of Quranic verses can pose a significant threat to the true essence of the Islam.

Misunderstanding the Quranic verses can occur due to various reasons, such as a lack of knowledge, personal biases, or misrepresentation of the context. Some individuals or groups may manipulate the verses to suit their own interpretations, ideologies, or political agendas. This misinterpretation can lead to the spread of misconceptions, intolerance, and even violence. Therefore, it is crucial for individuals to approach Tafseer-e-ayaat with a balanced and comprehensive understanding, relying on scholars and authentic sources of knowledge.

To prevent misleading meanings and misinterpretation of the Quran, it is essential to follow a systematic approach to Tafseer-e-ayaat. This includes studying the Arabic language and grammar, analyzing the historical context in which verses were revealed, and seeking guidance from reliable scholars.

Moreover, adhering to the principles of interpretation, such as considering the overall message of the Quran and avoiding taking any verse out of its context, can help in attaining a more accurate understanding.

TenQ:

Modern Muslims truly know more than both Mohammed and Allah.
This is why, to win an argument, they don't mind twisting both Allah's words and Mohammed's words.

They twist their words aiming to help them correct their errors in hope that the hearer or reader would be dumb enough to accept their own updated version of the narrative. SMH. That's how legalwolf fought tooth and nail to find a Samaritan in the wilderness with Moses to no avail. He could nor answer simple questions but knows how to hurl the most vile insults on the persons telling him the truth.

TenQ:
1. Mohammed Forgives the Sins of Muslims


When you ask Muslims the question :
Who has the power to forgive sin, they would say "it's only Allah!".

But today, I will show you that
It is either that
1. Mohammed is the same as Allah
2. Mohammed is a partner with Allah
3. Mohammed has the power of Allah to forgive sin

Qur'an 46:31
يَٰقَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ دَاعِىَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ

Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah's Messenger and believe in Him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

Let me walk us through this verse
1. Who is speaking?
Answer: Allah!
2. Who is the Subject?
Answer: Mohammed!
3. What were Allah's instructions?
Answer: Muslims should respond to Mohammed, Allah's Messenger
4. Why should Mohammed be obeyed According the Allah?
Answer :
a. Mohammed will forgive Muslims (and Jinn) of their sins
b. Mohammed will guard Muslims from a painful doom (probably hell fire or Allah's judgment)


2. Mohammed is one who admits Muslims into paradise
One would think that it is Allah that should admit people into paradise but no, it is Mohammed.

Sahih al-Bukhari 7410
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah will gather the believers on the Day of Resurrection in the same way (as they are gathered in this life), and they will say, 'Let us ask someone to intercede for us with our Lord that He may relieve us from this place of ours.
........
Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit whom I will admit into Paradise. I will come back again, and when I see my Lord (again), I will fall down in prostration before Him, and He will leave me (in prostration) as long as He wishes, and then He will say, 'O Muhammad! Raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request);
.......
Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit to whom I will admit into Paradise. I will come back and say, 'O my Lord! None remains in Hell (Fire) but those whom Qur'an has imprisoned therein and for whom eternity in Hell (Fire) has become inevitable.' " The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "There will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: 'La ilaha illal-lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then there will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: ' La ilaha illal-lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of a wheat grain. Then there will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: 'La ilaha illal-lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of an atom (or a smallest ant).


This is repeated in the following hadiths
1. Sahih al-Bukhari 4476
2. Hadith 36, 40 Hadith Qudsi


3. A person must associate specifically Muhammad with Allah in order to become a Muslim by reciting the Shahada
The statement of the Shahada:
"There is no god but Allah AND Muhammad is his prophet".

No one can become a Muslim without Recitation of this shahada with allegiance to Mohammed.


Questions:
1. If Mohammed can forgive sins of both Man and Jinn, is he not a partner with Allah?
2. If Mohammed can choose who to admit or not admit in paradise, is he not a partner with Allah?
3. Is it possible to recite the Shahada without associating Allah with Mohammed?




Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
Cc:
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As usual, as not unexpected of a person with upside-down thinking , reasoning in the interpretation of everything about Allah, Islam, Muhammad (saw), Al-Qur'an and the Muslims.
As l had said, once again, this and others of your mispresentation and misinterpretation of 'the 5' has been taken care of by ALLAH ; before maturity of semen and egg of your CARRIERS into this world , in QUR'AN 3 : 7.

gaskiyamagana:

As usual, as not unexpected of a person with upside-down thinking , reasoning in the interpretation of everything about Allah, Islam, Muhammad (saw), Al-Qur'an and the Muslims.
As l had said, once again, this and others of your mispresentation and misinterpretation of 'the 5' has been taken care of by ALLAH ; before maturity of semen and egg of your CARRIERS into this world , in QUR'AN 3 : 7.

inconsequential, off point as usual

As-Samiri also known as the entertainer, holds a significant place in the history of Middle Eastern entertainment. This ancient form of storytelling and performance art has been cherished for centuries. The role of ٱلسَّامِرِيُّ is to captivate audiences with his artistry, bringing joy and laughter to both young and old. Through his vivid storytelling, music, and dance, the Samiri takes audiences on an immersive cultural journey.

FxMasterz:


They twist their words aiming to help them correct their errors in hope that the hearer or reader would be dumb enough to accept their own updated version of the narrative. SMH. That's how legalwolf fought tooth and nail to find a Samaritan in the wilderness with Moses to no avail. He could nor answer simple questions but knows how to hurl the most vile insults on the persons telling him the truth.

Explore2xmore:
As-Samiri also known as the entertainer, holds a significant place in the history of Middle Eastern entertainment. This ancient form of storytelling and performance art has been cherished for centuries. The role of ٱلسَّامِرِيُّ is to captivate audiences with his artistry, bringing joy and laughter to both young and old. Through his vivid storytelling, music, and dance, the Samiri takes audiences on an immersive cultural journey.

What are you talking?

The name Samaritan has an Israeiite origin. When exactly did the name originate in Israel?

TenQ:


I asked you three questions




1. Why is Mohammed a Warner to the world?
Was it to prevent a painful violent death?

You said:


This is obviously a big LIE and you know it.

You are saying theat the purpose of Mohammed was to warn people about dying painful deaths!?
Did not Mohammed himself die a painful death?
Meaning that he's a false prophet!





2a. Was this verse referring to both humans and Jinn or only humans?
b. If the verse refer to both humans and Jinn, how do you think the Jinn would be delivered from a painful death?


It seems you've never read your Tafsirs on Qur'an 46:31. Your Tafsirs brought in the issue of the Jinn not me.

Let me give you some extracts
1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir Qur'an 46:29-32

(And (remember) when We sent towards you a group of the Jinn , to listen to the Qur'an.) "They were at a place called Nakhlah while Allah's Messenger was performing the `Isha' prayer, and (they crowded on top of each other to hear him.)....
(O our people! Respond to Allah's Caller,) This is proof that Muhammad has been sent to both the human beings and the Jinns. Thus, Allah says,
(Respond to Allah's Caller and believe in him.) Then Allah says, (He will then forgive you some of your sins,) Some scholars say that "some'' here is auxiliary, but this is questionable since it is rarely used to strengthen an affirmative meaning. Others say that it means partial forgiveness.


2. Al-Maududi Tafsir Qur'an 46.29-32
... On the way, when he halted at Nakhlah, and was reciting the Qur'an in the 'Isha' or the Fajr or the Tahajjud Prayer, a group of the jinns happened to pass by and stopped to listen to him. In this connection, all the traditions agree that on this occasion the jinns did not appear before the Holy Prophet, nor did he feel their presence, but Allah informed him afterwards by revelation that they had come and listened to the Qur'anic recitation.
... This shows that these jinns had already had faith in the Prophet Moses and in the Divine Books. After hearing the Qur'an they felt that it gave the same teachings as the former Prophets had been preaching. Therefore, they believed in this Book forthwith and also in the Holy prophet who had brought it.
Authentic traditions show that after this several deputations of the jinns visited the Holy Prophet, one after the other, and met him face to face. When all the traditions related in the collections of Hadith on this subject are read together, it appears that at least six deputations had visited him in Makkah before the Hijrah....
Many years later Ibn Mas'ud saw a group of the villagers at Kufa and said that the group of the jinns he had seen at Hajun closely resembled those people. (Ibn Jarir).
This sentence might also be a part of the saying of the jinns, or it might be an addition by Allah to their saying. In view of the context the second view seems to be more reasonable.


Since the Jinn were involved, the painful doom cannot be death but the punishment of Allah in hell except you want to be deceptive.





3. A painful violent death!?
By who?
And can Mohammed kill the Jinn?

Again, I ask you this question
Mohammed cannot kill the Jinn, can he?
Who would execute the punishment of painful death on people who didn't listen to Mohammed?

Oh ..

Sorry, I've never read any Tafsirs. Apart from the ones you just posted...

Wetin I lost to go dey find for Quran. Even Bible sef, we read like we read normal novel...

Now you think I'm Muslim, my ignorance on Islam should be glaring enough na...

But never forget. Many died a painful violent death for not believing the words of the prophet. And I just got to know (from you certainly, as I never cared to know) that the prophet too died a painful violent death, the irony of it all....

honesttalk21:
Do you now resort to force upon muslims the excesses of Christians or is it Christianity in excessive veneration of Jesus pbuh to equating him to God?

This is definitely one reason Muhammad pbuh disliked and commanded that nothing should be written about him. We have severally had discussions where it has been emphasized the challenges in translation of languages into English particularly the Sementic languages.

It is more likely a waste of my time as
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:

إِنَّكَ لَا تَهۡدِي مَنۡ أَحۡبَبۡتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَهۡدِي مَن يَشَآءُ ۚ وَهُوَ أَعۡلَمُ بِٱلۡمُهۡتَدِينَ
"Indeed, [O Muhammad], you do not guide whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He is most knowing of the [rightly] guided."

You forget that almost two thirds of the Bible is in Hebrew (a semitic language just like Arabic) and we are able to translate without much issues from Hebrew to any other language.

Let's say this verse was found in the Arabic Bible and it reads.

Bible 46:31
"يَا قَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ بَولَ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ"وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ

Can you please translate the above?
How is it similar or different from Qur'an 46:31?

honesttalk21:

Do you know what a Jussive verb is? Have you considered it's use in and translations from Hebrew language?

Quran 46:31 uses the jussive verb يغفر (yaghfir) to convey a powerful message from Allah. It encourages believers to respond to the Messenger of Allah and believe in him, as Allah will forgive their sins and protect them from punishment. This verse emphasizes the importance of faith and forgiveness, highlighting the gravity of sin and the consequences it can have. It calls for believers to seek forgiveness, embrace the teachings of the Prophet, and strive for righteousness to attain divine mercy and protection from painful consequences.


Translation of the meaning of this verse and not the misleading translation of the verse is ,
"O our people, respond to the Messenger of Allah and believe in him; Allah will forgive for you your sins and protect you from a painful punishment."

The jussive form of the verb يغفر (yaghfir) indicates a command or a plea to seek forgiveness and mercy from Allah. This verse emphasizes the importance of believing in the Messenger of Allah and following his teachings, as it promises the believers that Allah will forgive their sins and shield them from punishment.

The command to respond and believe in the Messenger of Allah establishes the relationship between faith and forgiveness. Believing in the message and following the teachings of the Prophet is the path to attain Allah's forgiveness and mercy.


Allah says
Announce, (O Muhammad) to My slaves that verily I am the Forgiving, the Merciful. Q15: 49

I am Forgiving to those who repent and believe and do good, and afterward follow right guidance. Q20: 82

Moses pbuh prayed: You are our Protector: so forgive us and give us Your mercy; for you are the best of those who forgive. (7: 155)

And as you are want to get carried away remember Allah gives mankind this attribute to forgive and encourages the act.

And hasten towards forgiveness from your Lord and a Paradise as vast as the heavens and the earth, prepared for those mindful ˹of Allah˺.
˹They are˺ those who donate in prosperity and adversity, control their anger, and pardon others. And Allah loves the good-doers.
Q3:133-134

"O you who have believed, indeed, among your wives and your children are enemies to you, so beware of them. But if you pardon and overlook and forgive - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
(Q64:14)

"Allah witnesses that there is no deity except Him, and [so do] the angels and those of knowledge - [that He is] maintaining [creation] in justice. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
(Q3:18)

I certainly know what a Jussive verb is
A jussive verb is a grammatical term used to describe a verb form that expresses a command, request, suggestion, or desire . It is often used to convey the idea of urging someone to do something or giving an order.

In Qur'an 46:31, Allah is the one commanding you Muslims to obey the prophet Mohammed and Mohammed will forgive you of your sins.

Here below, you find another partnership of Mohammed with Allah. Obeying Mohammed is obeying Allah isn't it?

Qur'an 4:79-80:
We have sent you (O Mohamed) as a Messenger to mankind, and Allah’s witness suffices for this. Whoever obeys the Messenger, in fact obeys Allah, and whoever turns away from him, he (saws) will not be accountable for their deeds. Anyhow, we have not sent you (O Mohamed) to be a guardian over them.

Here you see that People were to come to Mohammed while seeking forgiveness from Allah
Qur'an 4:64
We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.


This is clearly in the Quran in 4:64 where the Prophet Muhammad is the mediator for God's acceptance of atonement offerings and his acceptance of people's repentance.


Qur'an 7:199
Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant.



There are clear verses where the Quran tells Muhammad to "forgive them" hold fast to forgiveness" (7:199) where the word 'afwa is used. So this means that the Prophet himself used to forgive his followers for any transgressions or sins or broken promises that they committed towards him.

No one is disputing the fact that in Islam, Allah forgives. What we are saying is that Mohammed is
1. A mediator in forgiveness and
2. Mohammed too forgives sin of Muslims.


Finally,
If the black stone can forgive the sins of Muslims, how much more the greatest prophet in the universe Mohammed!

FxMasterz:


They twist their words aiming to help them correct their errors in hope that the hearer or reader would be dumb enough to accept their own updated version of the narrative. SMH. That's how legalwolf fought tooth and nail to find a Samaritan in the wilderness with Moses to no avail. He could nor answer simple questions but knows how to hurl the most vile insults on the persons telling him the truth.

I hope LegalWolf is okay.
It's a long time I've seen him online on Nairaland.

Muslims will tell every lie in other to correct Allah, Mohammed and Islam.


I just gave them a verse similar to Qur'an 46:31 to translate. Let's see how they would interpret it.

Bible 46:31
"يَا قَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ بَولَ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ"وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ


It is easy to catch liars: just give them questions with respect to their conjectures!
LOL!!

gaskiyamagana:

As usual, as not unexpected of a person with upside-down thinking , reasoning in the interpretation of everything about Allah, Islam, Muhammad (saw), Al-Qur'an and the Muslims.
As l had said, once again, this and others of your mispresentation and misinterpretation of 'the 5' has been taken care of by ALLAH ; before maturity of semen and egg of your CARRIERS into this world , in QUR'AN 3 : 7.

If you think I have misinterpretated the Qur'an 46:31?

Why don't you help translate this truthfully into English

Bible 46:31
"يَا قَوْمَنَا، أَجِيبُوا بُولَ وَءَامِنُوا بِهِۦ ۖ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ"

Is your translation different from my translation

Qur'an 46:31
يَٰقَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ دَاعِىَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ

Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah's Messenger and believe in Him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

correctguy101:


Oh ..

Sorry, I've never read any Tafsirs. Apart from the ones you just posted...

Wetin I lost to go dey find for Quran. Even Bible sef, we read like we read normal novel...

Now you think I'm Muslim, my ignorance on Islam should be glaring enough na...

But never forget. Many died a painful violent death for not believing the words of the prophet. And I just got to know (from you certainly, as I never cared to know) that the prophet too died a painful violent death, the irony of it all....

Sorry, I mistakened you for a Muslim. You know that they are of varying depth of knowledge. Whatever level they are, it is my duty to show them the way while showing them errors in their Islam.

Of course, majority of Muslims Don't even have the Qur'an in any language they can understand except Arabic.

Explore2xmore:
As-Samiri also known as the entertainer, holds a significant place in the history of Middle Eastern entertainment. This ancient form of storytelling and performance art has been cherished for centuries. The role of ٱلسَّامِرِيُّ is to captivate audiences with his artistry, bringing joy and laughter to both young and old. Through his vivid storytelling, music, and dance, the Samiri takes audiences on an immersive cultural journey.

Unfortunately for you, even translators of your Qur'an called the As-Samari as the Samaritan!

Can you find a single English translator or your Tafsir that agree with you that the As-Samari mean Entertainer?


Allah or Mohammed made a great error sir. It is the responsibility of Muslims to cover up the errors with lies!


By the way:
Is Samir the same as As-Samari

ANTIlSLAM:


inconsequential, off point as usual

They said that I mistranslated
Qur'an 46:31
يَٰقَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ دَاعِىَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ

Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah's Messenger and believe in Him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom.


You should think that the normal process would be to walk me through showing where I made the blunder.


I am still waiting for them!

TenQ:

I hope LegalWolf is okay.
It's a long time I've seen him online on Nairaland.

Muslims will tell every lie in other to correct Allah, Mohammed and Islam.


I just gave them a verse similar to Qur'an 46:31 to translate. Let's see how they would interpret it.

Bible 46:31
"يَا قَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ بَولَ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ"وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ


It is easy to catch liars: just give them questions with respect to their conjectures!
LOL!!

I think legalwolf is currently busy. He comes and goes offline like that. He's fine, I believe. It is well with him.

So, there's a Quran book called 'Bible'?

I'll be looking forward to their translations. Let me first go and ask Google.

FxMasterz:


I think legalwolf is currently busy. He comes and goes offline like that. He's fine, I believe. It is well with him.

So, there's a Quran book called 'Bible'?

I'll be looking forward to their translations. Let me first go and ask Google.

Don't minf me please.
They hate anything Paul, therefore, I replaced Allah's messanger with Paul so that they can translate to English.


Muslims and lies is 5&6!

TenQ:

Don't minf me please.
They hate anything Paul, therefore, I replaced Allah's messanger with Paul so that they can translate to English.


Muslims and lies is 5&6!

This is the translation I got:

"O our people, respond to the caller and believe in him; He will forgive for you your sins and protect you from a painful punishment."

FxMasterz:

This is the translation I got:

"O our people, respond to the caller and believe in him; He will forgive for you your sins and protect you from a painful punishment."

This is Qur'an 46:31

Bible 46:31
"يَا قَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ بَولَ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ"وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ


The interpretation is
Bible 46:31
"O our people, respond to Paul and believe in him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom."

It just simply means that Paul will forgive the sins of (his people) just as Mohammed will forgive the sins of Muslims in Qur'an 46:31

TenQ:

This is Qur'an 46:31

Bible 46:31
"يَا قَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ بَولَ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ"وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ


The interpretation is
Bible 46:31
"O our people, respond to Paul and believe in him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom."

It just simply means that Paul will forgive the sins of (his people) just as Mohammed will forgive the sins of Muslims in Qur'an 46:31

I see.

If they can't accept for Paul to forgive their sins as the verse says, why should they think the verse isn't saying the same thing about Mohammed when the name of Mohammed is again replaced with Paul's?

FxMasterz:

I see.

If they can't accept for Paul to forgive their sins as the verse says, why should they think the verse isn't saying the same thing about Mohammed when the name of Mohammed is again replaced with Paul's?

The verse is embarrassing to Muslims. In their translations, some of them insert

Allah will forgive you of your sins
instead of
He (Mohammed) will forgive you of your sins.

The Islamic translators who are a little truthful will translate as
He (Mohammed) will forgive you some of your sins.

There take is that only Allah can forgive every sin but Mohammed can forgive some.


I am waiting for how they will translate the verse of Bible 46:31

TenQ:


If you think I have misinterpretated the Qur'an 46:31?

Why don't you help translate this truthfully into English

Bible 46:31
"يَا قَوْمَنَا، أَجِيبُوا بُولَ وَءَامِنُوا بِهِۦ ۖ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ"

Is your translation different from my translation

Qur'an 46:31
يَٰقَوْمَنَآ أَجِيبُوا۟ دَاعِىَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ

Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah's Messenger and believe in Him. He will forgive you your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

Was Allah wrong in Q3:7 about your misinterpretation and misrepresentation of His Words and Teaching for the muslims and mankind?

TenQ:

The verse is embarrassing to Muslims. In their translations, some of them insert

Allah will forgive you of your sins
instead of
He (Mohammed) will forgive you of your sins.

The Islamic translators who are a little truthful will translate as
He (Mohammed) will forgive you some of your sins.

There take is that only Allah can forgive every sin but Mohammed can forgive some.


I am waiting for how they will translate the verse of Bible 46:31

I'm waiting too.

This is epic.

TenQ:

The verse is embarrassing to Muslims. In their translations, some of them insert

Allah will forgive you of your sins
instead of
He (Mohammed) will forgive you of your sins.

The Islamic translators who are a little truthful will translate as
He (Mohammed) will forgive you some of your sins.

There take is that only Allah can forgive every sin but Mohammed can forgive some.


I am waiting for how they will translate the verse of Bible 46:31

" ...... those whose in their heart ( thinking and reasoning) is deviation (disease of faith) follow ( misinterpretate ) that which is not entirely clear thereof (to them) seeking (trial of confusion to confuse others) .....Q3:7.
No amount of argument, confusion and misinterpretation of any lslamic issue you pursuee, that the Q3:7 has no predicted.

gaskiyamagana:

" ...... those whose in their heart ( thinking and reasoning) is deviation (disease of faith) follow ( misinterpretate ) that which is not entirely clear thereof (to them) seeking (trial of confusion to confuse others) .....Q3:7.
No amount of argument, confusion and misinterpretation of any lslamic issue you pursuee, that the Q3:7 has no predicted.

One of the reasons why questions are asked in the court of law is to determine who speak truth from those manufacturing conjectures.

I asked a simple Question:

If you think I have misinterpretated the Qur'an 46:31?

Why don't you help translate this truthfully into English

Bible 46:31
"يَا قَوْمَنَا، أَجِيبُوا بُولَ وَءَامِنُوا بِهِۦ ۖ يَغْفِرْ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُجِرْكُم مِّنْ عَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ"

Is this a difficult task or answering the question betrays falsehood perpetuation?