Didn’t the prophet Isaiah prophesy (Isa 7:14) that The Messiah would be born through a virgin? “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and will bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel.”(Isa 7:14 KJV)“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”(Mat 1:23KJV)
* This is a quote of Isaiah 7:14. The problem with this is that this is a christian rendering and translation. Not only do none of The Jewish Translations translate it this way but it is not what the original Hebrew says at all.
(1) ​First, the word translated “virgin” is The Hebrew word “Almah” which does not mean virgin. It means young woman. The Hebrew word for virgin is “B’tulah.”
(2) ​Second, in Isaiah 7:14 it says, “Ha Almah.” By adding the pretext definite article “Ha” it becomes The young woman, or more appropriately, “This young woman.” Thus, being a reference to Isaiah’s own wife.
(see Isaiah 8:18)
(3) ​Third, The Original Hebrew does not say “shall bear (future tense) a child.” It says “has conceived” (past tense) (Hebrew- Hara) and “Is pregnant” (present tense) (Hebrew- Yoledet) with a child (son).
(4) ​Fourth, it doesn’t say “they (plural) shall call,” it says, “She” (feminine singular) (Hebrew- V’karat) shall name him Immanuel.
* ​So literally, Isaiah 7:14 says:
“Therefore The LORD Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, this young woman has conceived and is pregnant with child, and she will bear a son, and she shall name him Immanuel.”
(Isaiah 7:14)
(5) ​Fifth, This sign that was given was Isaiah’s own son that was to be born to him. Matter of fact, both of Isaiah’s sons that were to be born, this one “Imanuel” in Isaiah 7:14 and the other one “Maher Shalal Hash Baz” in Isaiah 8:3, were both given as signs. (See Isa 8:18)
(Isa 7:1-16; Isa 8:1-18)
(6) ​In Conclusion, when Isaiah 7:14 is read in context with Isiah 7:1-8:18, it becomes apparent that this sign (Isaiah’s own son that was to be born) was given to King Ahaz so he would know the Assyrian Army that had surrounded Jerusalem would leave on their own accord and leave Jerusalem untouched while this child was still a baby. This was fulfilled in 735 BCE/BC.
(See Isaiah 7:1-8:18)

sonmvayina:
Didn’t the prophet Isaiah prophesy (Isa 7:14) that The Messiah would be born through a virgin? “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and will bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel.”(Isa 7:14 KJV)“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”(Mat 1:23KJV)
* This is a quote of Isaiah 7:14. The problem with this is that this is a christian rendering and translation. Not only do none of The Jewish Translations translate it this way but it is not what the original Hebrew says at all.
(1) ​First, the word translated “virgin” is The Hebrew word “Almah” which does not mean virgin. It means young woman. The Hebrew word for virgin is “B’tulah.”
(2) ​Second, in Isaiah 7:14 it says, “Ha Almah.” By adding the pretext definite article “Ha” it becomes The young woman, or more appropriately, “This young woman.” Thus, being a reference to Isaiah’s own wife.
(see Isaiah 8:18)
(3) ​Third, The Original Hebrew does not say “shall bear (future tense) a child.” It says “has conceived” (past tense) (Hebrew- Hara) and “Is pregnant” (present tense) (Hebrew- Yoledet) with a child (son).
(4) ​Fourth, it doesn’t say “they (plural) shall call,” it says, “She” (feminine singular) (Hebrew- V’karat) shall name him Immanuel.
* ​So literally, Isaiah 7:14 says:
“Therefore The LORD Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, this young woman has conceived and is pregnant with child, and she will bear a son, and she shall name him Immanuel.”
(Isaiah 7:14)
(5) ​Fifth, This sign that was given was Isaiah’s own son that was to be born to him. Matter of fact, both of Isaiah’s sons that were to be born, this one “Imanuel” in Isaiah 7:14 and the other one “Maher Shalal Hash Baz” in Isaiah 8:3, were both given as signs. (See Isa 8:18)
(Isa 7:1-16; Isa 8:1-18)
(6) ​In Conclusion, when Isaiah 7:14 is read in context with Isiah 7:1-8:18, it becomes apparent that this sign (Isaiah’s own son that was to be born) was given to King Ahaz so he would know the Assyrian Army that had surrounded Jerusalem would leave on their own accord and leave Jerusalem untouched while this child was still a baby. This was fulfilled in 735 BCE/BC.
(See Isaiah 7:1-8:18)

Lair, you must be a muhammedan trying to twist the scripture as usual. This nonsense you write here I believe you learn it from Naik Naikr that Indian Islamic lying apologist. Even the Jews will slap you for saying Alma does mean a virgin.

Samunique:
Lair, you must be a muhammedan trying to twist the scripture as usual. This nonsense you write here I believe you learn it from Naik Nabir, that Indian Islamic lying apologist. Even the Jews will slap you for saying Almah does mean a virgin.

Don't sweat it. He is a known drug addict who ran mad

The Jews have brought a great CURSE upon themselves and their yet unborn generations {Matthew 27:24-25} by trying to hide the fact that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah born by a Jewish virgin girl called Mary in the first century. Act 4:18; 5:28
Whether they like it or not Jerusalem can never have peace again like it was in the time of Solomon.
WHY?
The promised Messiah (Christ) is the Prince who will bring everlasting peace to all mankind {Isaiah 9:6} so for rejecting Jesus of Nazareth the Jews were SCATTERED throughout the earth just as Jesus of Nazareth prophesied in the Bible {Luke 11:23} and as for Jerusalem this is the verdict from God's only begotten Son:

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you. For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name" Matthew 23:37-39

Early this year they made a move to stop the mention of Jesus' name in their country passing it into law:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyBY6AybJ4M?si=vwDUxgU_KXAjuyFL

And immediately the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob gave them a sign as a crow attacked their national flag:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYHPxkLhrOo?si=sudXF7VCe6qJm9P5

That's an indisputable sign that the nation is doing what could bring God's wrath on them but they ignored that sign from the divine.

I said it on this very forum that the Jews are going into another big problem because that city (Jerusalem) was left to continue existing till today because of God's promise to faithful King David that's where all faithful Kings were buried and during resurrection they will be brought back to life on planet earth in that same place apart from that Jerusalem means nothing to God again because that's where they spilled the innocent blood of many of God's servants including the Messiah!

Jesus is the Prince of Peace so until they repent and apologize publicly declaring they are sorry for raising such opinion against the mention of the name Jesus who is the prince of peace Jerusalem can never ever know Peace! Matthew 23:38-39

Samunique:
Lair, you must be a muhammedan trying to twist the scripture as usual. This nonsense you write here I believe you learn it from Naik Nabir, that Indian Islamic lying apologist. Even the Jews will slap you for saying Almah does mean a virgin.

You attacked my personality rather than addressing my post...

I know you know that the person in that passage is Isaiah's son....

But you just had to insult me to make it look you smart...

This exposition is for those with sense...

sonmvayina:


You attacked my personality rather than addressing my post...

I know you know that the person in that passage is Isaiah's son....

But you just had to insult me to make it look you smart...

This exposition is for those with sense...

I didn't attack your personality, I just exposed your lies which you learned from Naik Nakir, bcs I've heard him twisting this scripture before, btw I learned he's presently in Nigeria, maybe there's where you learned your new lie from, before rushing to NL to drop it without a proper research.

The word Alma which you wrongly interpreted as an already pregnant married woman just to suit your demonic narrative is not so.

Alma in biblical Hebrew means, a young maiden who has attained puberty and ripped for marriage, while a woman/married woman is referred to as Ishah ( הָאִשָּׁה meaning the woman ). So why are you twisting the Hebrew word Alma Which means a maiden/Virgin, to be referring to the already pregnant woman of Isaiah just to change the meaning of that glorious scripture of Ish 7:14


See the screenshot below!

sonmvayina:
Didn’t the prophet Isaiah prophesy (Isa 7:14) that The Messiah would be born through a virgin? “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and will bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel.”(Isa 7:14 KJV)“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”(Mat 1:23KJV)
* This is a quote of Isaiah 7:14. The problem with this is that this is a christian rendering and translation. Not only do none of The Jewish Translations translate it this way but it is not what the original Hebrew says at all.
(1) ​First, the word translated “virgin” is The Hebrew word “Almah” which does not mean virgin. It means young woman. The Hebrew word for virgin is “B’tulah.”
(2) ​Second, in Isaiah 7:14 it says, “Ha Almah.” By adding the pretext definite article “Ha” it becomes The young woman, or more appropriately, “This young woman.” Thus, being a reference to Isaiah’s own wife.
(see Isaiah 8:18)
(3) ​Third, The Original Hebrew does not say “shall bear (future tense) a child.” It says “has conceived” (past tense) (Hebrew- Hara) and “Is pregnant” (present tense) (Hebrew- Yoledet) with a child (son).
(4) ​Fourth, it doesn’t say “they (plural) shall call,” it says, “She” (feminine singular) (Hebrew- V’karat) shall name him Immanuel.
* ​So literally, Isaiah 7:14 says:
“Therefore The LORD Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, this young woman has conceived and is pregnant with child, and she will bear a son, and she shall name him Immanuel.”
(Isaiah 7:14)
(5) ​Fifth, This sign that was given was Isaiah’s own son that was to be born to him. Matter of fact, both of Isaiah’s sons that were to be born, this one “Imanuel” in Isaiah 7:14 and the other one “Maher Shalal Hash Baz” in Isaiah 8:3, were both given as signs. (See Isa 8:18)
(Isa 7:1-16; Isa 8:1-18)
(6) ​In Conclusion, when Isaiah 7:14 is read in context with Isiah 7:1-8:18, it becomes apparent that this sign (Isaiah’s own son that was to be born) was given to King Ahaz so he would know the Assyrian Army that had surrounded Jerusalem would leave on their own accord and leave Jerusalem untouched while this child was still a baby. This was fulfilled in 735 BCE/BC.
(See Isaiah 7:1-8:18)

Why is it that Christians don't agree with you?

Samunique has yeye him. The lying crook sonmvayina.

Samunique:
Lair, you must be a muhammedan trying to twist the scripture as usual. This nonsense you write here I believe you learn it from Naik Naikr that Indian Islamic lying apologist. Even the Jews will slap you for saying Alma does mean a virgin.

He's not a Muslim. Must everyone be Muslim to criticise you? Address the post and not the poster! Christians that exhibit loutish behaviour!

MightySparrow:



Why is it that Christians don't agree with you?

Because they have so much gotten used to the lies the Bible translators gave them!

They so much want Jesus's prophecies to be everywhere in the old testament!

Samunique:
I didn't attack your personality, I just exposed your lies which you learned from Naik Nakir, bcs I've heard him twisting this scripture before, btw I learned he's presently in Nigeria, maybe there's where you learned your new lie from, before rushing to NL to drop it without a proper research.

The word Alma which you wrongly interpreted as an already pregnant married woman just to suit your demonic narrative is not so.

Alma in biblical Hebrew means, a young maiden who has attained puberty and ripped for marriage, while a woman/married woman is referred to as Ishah ( הָאִשָּׁה meaning the woman ). So why are you twisting the Hebrew word Alma Which means a maiden/Virgin, to be referring to the already pregnant woman of Isaiah just to change the meaning of that glorious scripture of Ish 7:14


See the screenshot below!

Once again O loutish Christian, he's not a Muslim!

Alma does not mean virgin but young unmarried woman!

A young unmarried woman may be virgin or not!

When people were to be killed and virgins inherited it was clearly stated in your Bible!

So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man. Number 31:17-18

But in the so called Jesus's prophecy it wasn't as explicit as when Yahweh's warriors wanted to inherit virgins!

AbuTwins:


Because they have so much gotten used to the lies the Bible translators gave them!

They so much want Jesus's prophecies to be everywhere in the old testament!

So you the sole custodian of god's truth.

MightySparrow:


So you the sole custodian of god's truth.

Truth is relative.
The OP is right!

AbuTwins:


Truth is relative.
The OP is right!

Meaning what you call lie could be the truth and your truth lie.

Shey?

MightySparrow:


Meaning what you call lie could be the truth and your truth lie.

She's?

The truth is that Alma means young woman!

The Christian truth is that alma means virgin young woman as that's necessary to prove Jesus's prophecy!

AbuTwins:


The truth is that Alma means young woman!

The Christian truth is that alma means virgin young woman as that's necessary to prove Jesus's prophecy!

What language is alma?

MightySparrow:


What language is alma?

The language the text of Isaiah was written in!

AbuTwins:


The language the text of Isaiah was written in!

You have not answered the question, are you afraid?

MightySparrow:



You have not answered the question, are you afraid?

I have answered your question just as you asked!
The old testament is in Hebrew while the new Greek!

MaxInDHouse:
The Jews have brought a great CURSE upon themselves and their yet unborn generations {Matthew 27:24-25} by trying to hide the fact that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah born by a Jewish virgin girl called Mary in the first century. Act 4:18; 5:28
Whether they like it or not Jerusalem can never have peace again like it was in the time of Solomon.
WHY?
The promised Messiah (Christ) is the Prince who will bring everlasting peace to all mankind {Isaiah 9:6} so for rejecting Jesus of Nazareth the Jews were SCATTERED throughout the earth just as Jesus of Nazareth prophesied in the Bible {Luke 11:23} and as for Jerusalem this is the verdict from God's only begotten Son:

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you. For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name" Matthew 23:37-39

Early this year they made a move to stop the mention of Jesus' name in their country passing it into law:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyBY6AybJ4M?si=vwDUxgU_KXAjuyFL

And immediately the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob gave them a sign as a crow attacked their national flag:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYHPxkLhrOo?si=sudXF7VCe6qJm9P5

That's an indisputable sign that the nation is doing what could bring God's wrath on them but they ignored that sign from the divine.

I said it on this very forum that the Jews are going into another big problem because that city (Jerusalem) was left to continue existing till today because of God's promise to faithful King David that's where all faithful Kings were buried and during resurrection they will be brought back to life on planet earth in that same place apart from that Jerusalem means nothing to God again because that's where they spilled the innocent blood of many of God's servants including the Messiah!

Jesus is the Prince of Peace so until they repent and apologize publicly declaring they are sorry for raising such opinion against the mention of the name Jesus who is the prince of peace Jerusalem can never ever know Peace! Matthew 23:38-39

You just don't want to admit to the fact that you are being lied to

sonmvayina:

You just don't want to admit to the fact that you are being lied to

You've been told the TRUTH jàre just that your truth isn't WORKING out anything beneficial anywhere!

The word “messiah” means anointed with oil. All kings, high priests, and prophets in the Jewish Bible are described as “messiahs” because they were all anointed with oil into God’s service. Many Jewish prophets foretold that a particular messiah, the Messiah ben David, would appear and fulfill six major prophecies that will lead the world into a special Messianic Era. These messianic criteria are and have always been universally accepted by the Jewish People. Jesus did not qualify as the Jewish Messiah ben David for the simple reason that he did not fulfill any of these criteria. The Messiah ben David must:
1. have the correct genealogy by being descended from King David and King Solomon,
2. be anointed King of Israel,
3. return the Jewish People to Israel,
4. rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem,
5. bring peace to the world and end all war,
6. bring knowledge of God to the world.
The bibles messiannic criteria are emperecallt verifiable. “Faith” is irrelevant to the Jewish concept of the Messiah ben David, because an individual either fulfills these prophetic criteria or he doesn’t. Christianity requires faith that Jesus is their “messiah” precisely because he didn’t fulfill any of the Jewish messianic criteria. Christianity’s concept of faith in Jesus is therefore a substitute for this defect. It is important to note that the fulfillment of each of the six Jewish messianic criteria is empirically verifiable and therefore no faith is required to determine the identity of the Jewish Messiah ben David. For example, the entire world will be able to observe that the Temple has been rebuilt, the Jews have returned to Israel, the entire world believes in God, and the world is at peace. Virtually none of the Christian messianic “proofs” are empirically verifiable.
Maimonides and the messiah ben David. Rabbi Moses ben Maimon (the Rambam) was one of the greatest rabbinic sages in Jewish history. He explained how someday we would know the identity of the Messiah ben David:
“We may assume that an individual is the Messiah [ben David] if he fulfills the following conditions: He must be a ruler, from the House of David, immersed in the Torah and its commandments like David his ancestor. He must also follow both the written and the Oral Torah, lead all Jews back to the Torah, strengthen the observance of its laws, and fight God’s battles. If one fulfills these conditions, then we may assume that he is the Messiah. If he does this successfully, and then rebuilds the Temple [Beis HaMikdash] on its original site and gathers all the dispersed Jews, then we may be certain that he is the Messiah. He will then perfect the entire world and bring all men to serve God in unity. It is true that the prophet Isaiah predicted, ‘The wolf shall live with the sheep, the leopard shall lie down with the kid.’ This however, is merely an allegory, meaning that the Jews will live safely, even with the wicked nations, who are likened to wolves and leopards.”

Samunique:
Lair, you must be a muhammedan trying to twist the scripture as usual. This nonsense you write here I believe you learn it from Naik Naikr that Indian Islamic lying apologist. Even the Jews will slap you for saying Alma does mean a virgin.

I thought by now you would have presented your argument that leads to Jesus being the sign promised to king Ahaz...

I have been waiting ...

If you can't I think an apology would suffice...