God is love. (1 John 3 vs 8 ).
God loves you with His heart. (John 3 vs 16)
It is why He sent His only begotten son to die for you.
It doesn't matter what you're facing, He's always there to help. Cast your burdens on Him. (Matt 11:28-30)
Give Him your heart.
Give Him your heart.
Serve Him. Serve Him. Serve Him with all your heart.
Jesus loves you.
He saves.
Amen.

ValeeLove:
God is love. (1 John 3 vs 8 ).
God loves you with His heart. (John 3 vs 16)
It is why He sent His only begotten son to die for you.
It doesn't matter what you're facing, He's always there to help. Cast your burdens on Him. (Matt 11:28-30)
Give Him your heart.
Give Him your heart.
Serve Him. Serve Him. Serve Him with all your heart.
Jesus loves you.
He saves.
Amen.

God's Love is extended only to those who have the blood of Israel in their veins - John 3 vs 14 - 16.

Kobojunkie:
God's Love is extended only to those who have the blood of Israel in their veins - John 3 vs 14 - 16.

"that WHOSOEVER believeth in him"; "whosoever", not "whosoever that have the blood of Israel in their veins".

ValeeLove:
"that WHOSOEVER believeth in him"; "whosoever", not "whosoever that have the blood of Israel in their veins".

Always pay attention to context.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14 - 17

That "Whosoever" or "Everyone" applies to the people of Israel who are condemned by God in much the same way that God condemned some of the same in the desert and then lifted a bronze snake to save them with. Jesus Christ, in the conversation He had with Nicodemus, likened Himself to that bronze snake that God lifted in the desert to save many of those among the people of Israel whom He, God, condemned to die of Israel.

Who can answer these

Kobojunkie:
Always pay attention to context.
That "Whosoever" or "Everyone" applies to the people of Israel who are condemned by God in much the same way that God condemned some of the same in the desert and then lifted a bronze snake to save them with. Jesus Christ, in the conversation He had with Nicodemus, likened Himself to that bronze snake that God lifted in the desert to save many of those among the people of Israel whom He, God, condemned to die of Israel.

nope. 14 is symbolistic of 15. 14 is telling what happens in 15 using symbol. Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law but this time to the whole world. 14 is only explaining what happens in 15. It's metaphorical, and not literal.
Meanwhile it's surprising that you don't understand simple things as that. The world has moved on from differentiating between the law and the new convenant. Oh well.

sonmvayina:
Who can answer these

God is good; the devil (creator of malaria) just isn't.

ValeeLove:
God is good; the devil (creator of malaria) just isn't.

Ok..but devil is just God on a good day

And God is devil on a bad day .....

Do you understand this?

If not read Isaiah 7:45.

sonmvayina:


Ok..but devil is just God on a good day

And God is devil on a bad day .....

Do you understand this?

If not read Isaiah 7:45.

it made no sense.
That verse isn't in my Bible.

ValeeLove:
nope. 14 is symbolistic of 15. 14 is telling what happens in 15 using symbol. Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law but this time to the whole world. 14 is only explaining what happens in 15. It's metaphorical, and not literal.
Meanwhile it's surprising that you don't understand simple things as that. The world has moved on from differentiating between the law and the new convenant. Oh well.

Did you read the passage at all but what you cobbled up there makes no sense when put up against the details contained in the passage?

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14 - 17

Kobojunkie:
Did you read the passage at all but what you cobbled up there makes no sense when put up against the details contained in the passage?

oga, ask someone else I'm sure they'd be shocked you're even asking a question as this. "Just as Moses...Jesus", it's making a comparison and not being literal. It's simple English. If you're not satisfied, then ✌🏿.

ValeeLove:
■ oga, ask someone else I'm sure they'd be shocked you're even asking a question as this. "Just as Moses...Jesus", it's making a comparison and not being literal. It's simple English. If you're not satisfied, then ✌🏿.

It's obvious that Jesus Christ was comparing Himself to the Bronze snake that was raised in the desert by God for the Israelites. He said "in the same way" that the snake had to be raised to save those of Israel who were condemned by God, so also, He too would be raised on a stick to save those condemned by God of Israel.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14 - 17

So, why are you twisting yourself into bundles as if that is not what Jesus Christ said in the context of that conversation He had with Nicodemus?

ValeeLove:
it made no sense.
That verse isn't in my Bible.

It says

7 I form the light and creates darkness, I makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these.

ValeeLove:
it made no sense.
That verse isn't in my Bible.

It means devil is just an aspect of God...like the Yoruba will say, it is an orisha of God....

Kobojunkie:
It's obvious that Jesus Christ was comparing Himself to the Bronze snake that was raised in the desert by God for the Israelites. He said "in the same way" that the snake had to be raised to save those of Israel who were condemned by God, so also, He too would be raised on a stick to save those condemned by God of Israel. So, why are you twisting yourself into bundles as if that is not what Jesus Christ said in the context of that conversation He had with Nicodemus?

listen, if I say I like how you wear your shoes, and I'm going to wear mine like that. When I go home to try it out, I'm not going to wear your shoes; I'll wear mine. Look at it as someone who reads the Bible explaining it to someone who doesn't as much. I'm just trying to make you see reason. If you aren't cool with it, I can't help beyond this.

sonmvayina:


It says

7 I form the light and creates darkness, I makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these.

where did you read, cos it's not Isaiah 7:45 (which doesn't exist in scripture). Atleast get the passage right.

I don't think you Christians know what love is. The Israeli deity, Yahweh, is the complete opposite of love. He is petty, vindictive, bloodthirsty, narcissistic, jealous, wicked and he also happens to take pride in creating evil.

ValeeLove:
listen, if I say I like how you wear your shoes, and I'm going to wear mine like that. When I go home to try it out, I'm not going to wear your shoes; I'll wear mine. Look at it as someone who reads the Bible explaining it to someone who doesn't as much. I'm just trying to make you see reason. If you aren't cool with it, I can't help beyond this.

stop replying that lady

Our LORD JESUS has already told us to dust our feet to the house (people) that does not want to accept the truth we bring

So it is better to avoid feeding her your attention

ValeeLove:
where did you read, cos it's not Isaiah 7:45 (which doesn't exist in scripture). Atleast get the passage right.

Isaiah 45:7

ValeeLove:
listen, if I say I like how you wear your shoes, and I'm going to wear mine like that. When I go home to try it out, I'm not going to wear your shoes; I'll wear mine. Look at it as someone who reads the Bible explaining it to someone who doesn't as much. I'm just trying to make you see reason. If you aren't cool with it, I can't help beyond this.

Again, It's obvious that Jesus Christ was comparing Himself to the Bronze snake that was raised in the desert by God for the Israelites. He said "in the same way" that the snake had to be raised to save those of Israel who were condemned by God, so also, He too would be raised on a stick to save those condemned by God of Israel.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14 - 17

So, why are you twisting yourself into bundles as if that is not what Jesus Christ said in the context of that conversation He had with Nicodemus?

Kobojunkie:
Again, It's obvious that Jesus Christ was comparing Himself to the Bronze snake that was raised in the desert by God for the Israelites. He said "in the same way" that the snake had to be raised to save those of Israel who were condemned by God, so also, He too would be raised on a stick to save those condemned by God of Israel. So, why are you twisting yourself into bundles as if that is not what Jesus Christ said in the context of that conversation He had with Nicodemus?

do you know what a metaphor is? Do you even know what a figure of speech is? If you do know what these mean, kindly define them for me.

TradingGod:
stop replying that lady

Our LORD JESUS has already told us to dust our feet to the house (people) that does not want to accept the truth we bring

So it is better to avoid feeding her your attention

didn't even know she was a lady. I don't know, I guess I feel obligated to guide people that are lost, especially spiritually. And the fact that simple English is her challenge is frightening.

ValeeLove:
do you know what a metaphor is? Do you even know why a figure of speech is? If you do know what these mean, kindly define them for me.

Try to be specific abeg so we can clearly understand whether this is an attempt by your person to reject what Jesus Christ said here.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14 - 17

Above, Jesus Christ said "It is the same with the Son of Man", metaphorically speaking, He is a bronze Snake on a pole to be lifted for the salvation of the people of Israel.

"It is the same with the Son of Man" implies that it is for the same purpose that He too will be lifted. It is for the same people that He will be lifted... So, tell me, what part of what is stated, do not not agree with in this?

Kobojunkie:
Try to be specific abeg so we can clearly understand whether this is an attempt by your person to reject what Jesus Christ said here.
Above, Jesus Christ said "It is the same with the Son of Man", metaphorically speaking, He is a bronze Snake on a pole to be lifted for the salvation of the people of Israel.

"It is the same with the Son of Man" implies that it is for the same purpose that He too will be lifted. It is for the same people that He will be lifted... So, tell me, what part of what is stated, do not not agree with in this?

this convo goes nowhere until you define a metaphor. Define it and I'll respond to you.

ValeeLove:
this convo goes nowhere until you define a metaphor. Define it and I'll respond to you.

OK

A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn’t literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison.

Here are the basics:
▢ A metaphor states that one thing is another thing
▢ It equates those two things not because they actually are the same, but for the sake of comparison or symbolism
▢ If you take a metaphor literally, it will probably sound very strange (are there actually any sheep, black or otherwise, in your family?)
▢ Metaphors are used in poetry, literature, and anytime someone wants to add some color to their language

Now, back to the conversation...

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14 - 17

Above, Jesus Christ said "It is the same with the Son of Man", metaphorically speaking, He is a bronze Snake on a pole to be lifted for the salvation of the people of Israel.

Jesus Christ is not a bronze snake, nor does it imply that all one has to do is look up at Jesus Christ hanging on a tree to be saved as was the case with the bronze snake in the desert. This is because the terms of salvation as stated by Jesus Christ are different from those presented by Moses to the people back then. (Moses told the people they would not die if they looked up at the snake, but Jesus Christ offered the people Eternal life in place of death.)

"It is the same with the Son of Man" implies that it is for the same purpose that He too will be lifted. It is for the same people that He will be lifted... So, tell me, what part of what is stated, do you not agree with in this?

sonmvayina:



Isaiah 45:7

so it's really simple. Psalm 92:15 says "To shew that the Lord is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him."(KJV). Simply put, God has no business with unrighteousness as he's a God that is known to love righteousness and hate iniquity. The whole Bible is about this above statement. So, "evil", what did that scripture mean, since evil is relative to unrighteousness?
First thing you need to understand is 'context'. Especially while studying the old testanment, you'll need a whole lot of it as many things there can and must not be taken literally to be applied as Christians today.
The context therefore; if you read that passage well, God says He makes peace and creates evil. God in the passage and from the beginning of the chapter is self-eulogizing and letting the listener(s) know his capacity, capability.and possibilities. "Evil" in the context is a necessary evil for the evil. In mathematics, negative eliminates negative to create a positive. God is saying I create peace for good people and I also create evil for the evil people. Like it is shown in the scriptures, how he fought against evil people like Pharoah, Jezebel, Ahab, Herod and co.
God creates evil only against those who are evil.
If you attack people with evil plans against you or your loved ones, then you're just like God, you're creating evil against the evil.
Simple?

ValeeLove:
so it's really simple. Psalm 92:15 says "To shew that the Lord is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him."(KJV). Simply put, God has no business with unrighteousness as he's a God that is known to love righteousness and hate iniquity. The whole Bible is about this above statement. So, "evil", what did that scripture mean, since evil is relative to unrighteousness?
First thing you need to understand is 'context'. Especially while studying the old testanment, you'll need a whole lot of it as many things there can and must not be taken literally to be applied as Christians today.
The context therefore; if you read that passage well, God says He makes peace and creates evil. God in the passage and from the beginning of the chapter is self-eulogizing and letting the listener(s) know his capacity, capability.and possibilities. "Evil" in the context is a necessary evil for the evil. In mathematics, negative eliminates negative to create a positive. God is saying I create peace for good people and I also create evil for the evil people. Like it is shown in the scriptures, how he fought against evil people like Pharoah, Jezebel, Ahab, Herod and co.
God creates evil only against those who are evil.
If you attack people with evil plans against you or your loved ones, then you're just like God, you're creating evil against the evil.
Simple?

You did not quite understand it..


You tried though...


If you read the whole if that chapter, you are told that it is only God that exists...There is no one else like him. He is the source of everything..both good and evil, light and darkness. That's why it is called a UNIVerse

There is no such being as devil or Satan...in the christian sense.

All power belongs to God.
Power to kill
Power to save
Power to destroy
Power to create...

Any power you can think of....they all belong to God....

So it is in that context...

sonmvayina:


You did not quite understand it..


You tried though...


If you read the whole if that chapter, you are told that it is only God that exists...There is no one else like him. He is the source of everything..both good and evil, light and darkness. That's why it is called a UNIVerse

There is no such being as devil or Satan...in the christian sense.

All power belongs to God.
Power to kill
Power to save
Power to destroy
Power to create...

Any power you can think of....they all belong to God....

So it is in that context...

everything God created is good, beings turned them into something else. A sword can be used to protect or kill. You don't blame the maker of it based on how it is utilized, blame the handler.

ValeeLove:
everything God created is good, beings turned them into something else. A sword can be used to protect or kill. You don't blame the maker of it based on how it is utilized, blame the handler.

Which part of what I said is wrong?


I understand your point...it is the heart of man that is wicked...

ValeeLove:
everything God created is good, beings turned them into something else. A sword can be used to protect or kill. You don't blame the maker of it based on how it is utilized, blame the handler.

Which part of what I said is wrong?


I understand your point...it is the heart of man that is wicked...(wicked)

ValeeLove:
God is love. (1 John 3 vs 8 ).
God loves you with His heart. (John 3 vs 16)
It is why He sent His only begotten son to die for you.

How does god loving you translates to his son dying for you?

ValeeLove:
didn't even know she was a lady. I don't know, I guess I feel obligated to guide people that are lost, especially spiritually. And the fact that simple English is her challenge is frightening.

She's just misguided, I pray that one day she Know the Truth about the Kingdom of God