Asuda. Shut the Bleep up . Go find work do. Stop supporting evil doers.

One question comes to mind when you see pentecostal "Christians" in Nigeria condemning Fireman. What is Fireman teaching different from what most PFN churches teach? The correct answer is nothing!

Please stop condemning this man if you believe in the same things as him.

As a matter of fact he represents almost 80% of pentecostal preachers in Nigeria, from the popular ones to the obscure ones. Again I think he is sincere with what he's doing. He appears to me to be ignorant of the truth and a product of the decaying system in Nigeria. All the same his teachings are not in line with the gospel of Jesus Christ hence he's a fraud just as are many so called pastors in the world.

Crefo Dollar, Leroy Thompson and Kenneth Copeland do worse things in the states.

meeehn, this is unbelievable. just another sign of the end-times. bros M.Sc - forget about not being fooled easily, cos that dont apply to spiritual things.
and how come we only hear about fireman and his pastors getting results - not one post from his 'defence team' here about how THEIR own life has been changed.
3 cars in 3 months my a.

belabela:

One question comes to mind when you see pentecostal "Christians" in Nigeria condemning Fireman. What is Fireman teaching different from what most PFN churches teach? The correct answer is nothing!

Please stop condemning this man if you believe in the same things as him.

As a matter of fact he represents almost 80% of pentecostal preachers in Nigeria, from the popular ones to the obscure ones. Again I think he is sincere with what he's doing. He appears to me to be ignorant of the truth and a product of the decaying system in Nigeria. All the same his teachings are not in line with the gospel of Jesus Christ hence he's a fraud just as are many so called pastors in the world.

Crefo Dollar, Leroy Thompson and Kenneth Copeland do worse things in the states.

God bless you my brother for telling it like it is.

Pastor riding in a yellow Range Rover HSE with spinning rims!!

If that isnt a sign of a fake pastor then I'll be danmed.

apparently DR FIREMAN`s first wife died years back unexplained, wondered who killed her

christ embassy even wanted to beat channel 4 reporter for filming his building.sad sad.who goes to this churches?
everyone is attacking fireman but he is just as bad as christ embassy and the rest millionare pastors ,only difference is he was daft enough to agreed to be in the documentary.
if you want to go to heaven give money directly to the poor.trying to buy thru this fake churches is like buying fake visa .

1wiseman:

I merely mentioned my masters to make the point that believing in the anointing that a man of God carries does not make you a fool. And you are right, showing signs does not mean one is from God. But remember Jesus was also accused of a being juju man (Luke 11:14-16) and look how that turned out .

I should have been true to myself and simply said, "I am convinced in my spirit man that sign Fireman is a true man of God". I may not be able to provide the intellectual argument to go with this statement but I know God has used him to change a lot of lives.

He is flashy cos be wants to practice what he preaches, would you prefer he preaches prosperity and dries a Beattle.

do you think he is the first "upcoming" pastor to take the gamble with been filmed by a big international station like channel 4?its a gamble if it works he becomes international if it fails he is exposed.listen to the interview given by the reporter later and you hear how fireman broke down and cried saying the reporter betrayed him.he thought everyone was as gullible as his flock.
listen to how he uses actors who even before they are possessed ushers are already trying to catch them(poor rehearsal!), he even uses his own receptionist on the act.
and yes i be happier to go to a hurch of a pastor driving old car and knowing he keep just enough to eat and gives all the rest to the starving children that are in nigeria .he drives a humvie past children selling pure water on streets who cannot go to school and there nothing wrong with that.
he even claims jesus was reach and had his own accountant right on tv.how stupid must you be to give money to this kind of man! take your 10% and educate a poor child. me and my wife do not give money to this so called fake pastors but we have a child totally un related to us that we pay his school fees and buy books and when he wrote to my wife it was something amazing to see this child that could not read or write do this.
if you think fireman or chris or the rest fakers can make you rich or buy you visa to heaven then all i can do is laugh .reason he is rich is by taking it off you.

I just found out that trying to change your opinion about things you have not seen for your self is just a waste of my personal time. It is not like you know the bible. If i do find the time and energy to tell you some things with bible verses to go along, you would be very much amazed. But due to the fact that your I.Q might be less than expected i wont bother. Do you even know what you are saying? How can ask 'Where in the bible is it written that one must not smoke and where does it say how a man of GOD should live?'. It just goes to show that spiritual you are close to being daft. But when you decide to stop wallowing in your stupidity let me know. But for now, keep living stupid lives and calling it being opinionated and free to do as please.!

taskgirl:

I just found out that trying to change your opinion about things you have not seen for your self is just a waste of my personal time. It is not like you know the bible. If i do find the time and energy to tell you some things with bible verses to go along, you would be very much amazed. But due to the fact that your I.Q might be less than expected i wont bother. Do you even know what you are saying? How can ask 'Where in the bible is it written that one must not smoke and where does it say how a man of GOD should live?'. It just goes to show that spiritual you are close to being daft. But when you decide to stop wallowing in your stupidity let me know. But for now, keep living silly lives and calling it being opinionated and free to do as please.!

. . . and you have IQ at all? Poor vulnerable girls like you being used by new generation pastors, you are hunting for hubby, when you failed to get one u move to another new church to start again.

@belabela, $625 to receive "The Blessing" Pastor Oritsejafor is nothing but a con man, where in the Bible did Jesue charge a fee for Blessing, Nigerians need to wake up that most of the these Pastors are fake, they are clever business men and women who are only interested in living in luxury, they send their schools to private schools abroad, buy million pound mansion in North London, go on luxury holidays in Dubai while 50% of their congregation live in abject poverty.

taskgirl:

I just found out that trying to change your opinion about things you have not seen for your self is just a waste of my personal time. It is not like you know the bible. If i do find the time and energy to tell you some things with bible verses to go along, you would be very much amazed. But due to the fact that your I.Q might be less than expected i wont bother. Do you even know what you are saying? How can ask 'Where in the bible is it written that one must not smoke and where does it say how a man of GOD should live?'. It just goes to show that spiritual you are close to being daft. But when you decide to stop wallowing in your stupidity let me know. But for now, keep living silly lives and calling it being opinionated and free to do as please.!

Pastor Fireman is nothing but a 24 carat fraudster preying on naive, vulnerable and poor people. He is a con man. He is heartless, ruthless and cold-hearted, I think he's into yahoo yahoo and 419 as well, if am wrong where the heck did he find $150,000 to buy three luxury cars.

lukkie:

I'm sorry but your education is a waste. My grandma who is an illiterate reasons more logically than you. This is one more proof that most Nigerians are Zombies.

As someone said, if the born-again Xtians in Nigeria are actually born-again, Nigeria will be the best country in the world. You're just living in self-deceit.

Personally, i believe that religious drunkenness is a bigger problem than corruption in this country.

musKeeto:

Sorry, bros. Wrong quote. Comment wasn't for you but taskgirl

let GOD JUDGE

As Far as fakeness is concerned, Fireman is as fake as they come, but as far as business is concerned , the guy is a sharp guy,

but what amazes me is how his followers miss all the tell tale signs of a fraudster,
what pastor wears muscle tops while preaching, jeans, drives 3 yellow cars with spinning rims (fireman 1 2 3)??!
i blame poverty in Nigeria, but also I blame lack of knowledge, We r so stressed ( relatively poor) in Nija, that any form of spirituality that promises prosperity turns our head from all reality,
The man is hosting a program to day, public holiday from 8am til evening, sharp guy, he has seen the opportunity for a full day of deception and will collect a sizable offering at the end of d day, that's a good day's work if u ask me,
Sign Fireman, Baddt guys!

The picture attached furthers tells us that he has all d aspects of his business on lock!

Funny how the last thing mentioned in the poster is salvation lol.

Silly people, keep deceiving yourselves all in the name of finding success. I would rather pray at home than go to such a place of business.


How can someone who has never walked all his life finally starts walking, and walks like a normal human being?! Surely he will need time to know how to move his feet etc,

Same goes for a child that has been deaf and dumb. How can he all of a sudden pronounce words he has never heard PERFECTLY?!

Shine your eyes guys and beware of false prophet.

Kelz Kelz, the answer to all ur how cans is, by MIRAKOOL! it is a mirakool, d miracle must b complete na, he cant start walking and b moving like a monkey na, if he wil walk, he must walk as human beans (lol) odawise, wich kain miracle b that, if the miracle is not complete how will "Daddy fireman" buy yellow hummer??

LMAO, its not too late o, the revival is on til evening, make we hook up for there

I like your sense of humour.




The only reason you will see me there is if I'm coming with boko haram.
People like that should not exist!

LMAO, FIREMAN IS IMMUNE TO BOKO,
Nice one Kellz, stay real!

Okija_juju:

Pastor riding in a yellow Range Rover HSE with spinning rims!!

If that isnt a sign of a fake pastor then I'll be danmed.

Guy leave matta - just because your church shrine has out-dated witches broomsticks and ya gods do not know which way is Lagos from Cotonu nomean say you go jealousy 
Jesus rode a donkey in his time - I am sure you think to own a donkey those days was cheap let me tell you this, A Horse was a Benz GL 450 Jeep and a Donkey was a Hummer Jeep - go Figure

lagerwhenindoubt:

A Horse was a Benz GL 450 Jeep and a Donkey was a Hummer Jeep - go Figure 

I have heard parrots repeat this same dubious analogy when the topic of Jet-airplane-owning pastors came up. The analogy was made up by your pastors right? I have heard that the donkey is very expensive and Jesus rode on one, which was like Jesus riding a private Jet-airplane. The con artists always deceive m0rons who can't use a bit of logic.

Now answer me this, if Joseph was a poor carpenter and Mary rode on a donkey on the journey before the birth of Jesus how would he have been able to afford it if it was analogically as expensive as a Hummer? Picture Mufu your neighborhood carpenter driving a Hummer as he finds a hospital for his wife to deliver.

The truth is the donkey was very cheap and it was for poor people (even cheaper analogically than any car you can think of in this age). That was why Jesus got one easily and free on his ride into Jerusalem.

Logica, I'm feeeling u, but these nitwits under Fireman's care can't understand all this. If they cant understand that a man wearing muscle tops with a dyed beard and wheels still spinning is sham, this donkey analogy go hard them. Thanks for that though. Nice

olamufu:

Logica, I'm feeeling u, but these nitwits under Fireman's care can't understand all this. If they cant understand that a man wearing muscle tops with a dyed beard and wheels still spinning is sham, this donkey analogy go hard them. Thanks for that though. Nice

It sickens me that people can just lap up fraudulent analogies without applying a single neural connection. At best the donkey of Jesus' time is analogical in the present day to an UNRELIABLE motor-cycle that breaks down often; unreliable because that is the donkey's nature. Though physically strong it is very stubborn and difficult to train and command. There is a reason stubborn/foolish/disagreeable people are referred to as a$$/donkey.

@1wiseman3

I attend Sign Fireman's church and I can tell you that  this video was seriously edited to suit the purpose of the producers - who by the way don't believe anything in God (They were out side smoking during most of the services). If Fireman had anything to hide he would not have given them such free access to the church.

Correct, except that he didn't know the evil intention of these satanic reporters.

I know it is difficult for some people to believe that Christians or pastors should have money but this man (Fireman) is really  an anointed man of God and despite the cars and flashy dressing he is very humble.

His simplicity of character was glaring. See him opening and closing gate by himself.

If God was not using him he's church would not have expanded so much in just 2years. And ask yourself this, are his members complaining and do they look poor? I am a college graduate with a masters (i no dey brag o ) and I don't get fooled easily. 

Thats the question." Who is complaining"?  Have they investigated his claim and the miracles if they are unreal? Or is the problem the wealth and hummer jeep. Have they asked how he made his money? If his church is only 2 years and he had companies, even recording studio years back. That tells a lot. Why is the camera man focusing on the offering bag as source of the wealth? And if you look carefully . The denomination of those money ,50 naira , 10 naira. If you put all these together in 10 years can it buy a hummer?   Let us reason well.

The reporter had an assignment from Satan which is obviously to rubbish the church. He should have been objective enough. There are questions I would have loved him to ask but he didn't, or he asked and he didn't like the answer because they will spoil his agenda. He cut off everything that may not tell the story he had created to sell. They make money and earn living  from these evil stories and lies .

Well the attack against ministers of God is not today matter. Satan had been in this propaganda even in Jesus days.

John 7:12
12 There was a lot of discussion about him among the crowds. Some said, "He's a wonderful man," while others said, "No, he's duping the public."

Matthew 26:59-60
59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death; 60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,

Is this Joagbaje character some kind of clown? Somebody please clarify before I waste my time.

Logica calm down, I know him well, he is a clown. Like a modern day baba sala so, relax and enjoy the jokes,

Wow!!

Sign Fireman has supporters!! Even after seeing that documentary?!

Now I am convinced of the saying the "Psychological bondage is way worse that chains and shackles".

Everyone just saw the video, the scam miracles (as exhibited by his actors one of whom just happened to be his receptionist), the sheer extravagance, the arrogance (as exhibited in his having four bodyguards and driving SUV's with custom plates and spinning rims), the concocted fallacy in his utterances (Jesus being rich and having a personal accountant), the deception and the naivity of his congregation.

O!! I weep.

And how come nobody is saying anythinmg about the quickness of Christ Embassy Security personnel to beat up any reporter or person that takes a picture of their building. How come no one has asked what all the bodyguards in Pastor Okoties church were there for?! How come nobody has commented on the answer Okotie gave to Seyi Rhodes question of "how much different and the Pastors from the thieving politicians"?

The documentary may have been edited to fit the purpose for which it was set out, but I have no doubts that they revealed a glaring truth as well.


Quote of the Documentary:: "God is a Game and the game is Easy". Dr. Sign Fireman . . . . . . . Priceless!!

^^^^
it's not about supporting fireman. I don't know him. We should be smart and objective enough to look at facts. The reporter was paid to do a job. He wrote the script and picked out things to make up his story.

Why should you call the receptionist an actress. Does she not have her own problem? And will God leave her out because she's a receptionist. Why would he paint her that way? Despite the fact that the lady explained she was not herself , which is true for those who have been excorcised.

What we have here is one sided bias prejudice. Are they saying fire man bought those cars from offerings? Does it add up? Why wasnt he asked how he got the cars? Either from the other businesses of his or as a gift.

I know that a healing minister receives lot of gifts from people he ministered to. Imagine if a wealthy man who had been sick of a terminal desease get healed, suppossing such a man shows appreciation in a big way to the man of God? Imagine a wealthy man who suffers fertility distinction haven gone all over the world with no hope for a child of his, now ge gets a miracle and he shows appreciation .

I once met a prophet who had some cars in his compound, he told me the story of the Cars, he said they were many before but he gave them out as seed. According to him he said "AS I RECIEVE , I GIVE ALSO". People only sees what a pastor has, but they don't find out what principle he practice, especially his givings.

The man sees visions accurately and he heals the sick also. He said there was a man he ministered to, and the man got a miracle, he was so excited and carry him (the prophet) to his house, there were several jeeps there ,he told the prophet to choose anyone. He said he fell in love with a hummer jeep there. But by the time the man analysed the maintainsnce of each vehicle he decided to pick Benz ML suv. Because the man told him how much fuel a hummer consume and how much a tyre cost.

Now supposing this Prophet had picked a hummer, people will say he had used offering to buy it. Maybe fire man is real or not. It's not my business , the reporter didn't do avgood objective job. He must have lied to the mn and encouraged him to do things he would use against him. I don't think a pastor will preach only about prosperity. But these reporters will cut off every other thing and picked out money matter. Remember when sheyi Rhodes questioned the members of fireman they all had good testimony . Remember the man who's house was dedicated, sheyi Rhodes stayed back to interrogate the man to make him say something to indict the pastor. "YOU GIVE 10% OF YOUR INCOME TO FIRE MAN " etc . The guy explains himself to and extent and said " THE GREATEST THING IS ABOUT MAKING HEAVEN" that tells you that the pastor teaches salvation. But reporters will cut that out of the preaching.

We should not be deceived about these packaging in the media. If you see a documentary that God is not real ,there's tendency for some people to believe. I like to dwell of facts. And not sentiments and emotions stirred up by packaging . The reporter was biased and didn't give the 2 sides of the story.


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Joagbaje,

The reporter was biased?

Did they put machine in the pastor's mouth for him to say those things?

Was money put at Jesus' feet when he performed miracles?

You,my friend, display some really scary characteristics and I can only hope you are joking.


"God is a game"

We should not believe the report because they might have an agenda?

But we should believe miracles we see on Tv performed by Chris or Joshua because they have no agendas?

dare2think:

Joagbaje,
The reporter was biased?

It's obvious

Did they put machine in the pastor's mouth for him to say those things?

What things in particular.

Was money put at Jesus' feet when he performed miracles?

The money Jesus received  was put in the bag. I don't think that should be an issue. I may not agree with everything did . They may have their reasons. Some churches drop money at the pastor feet based on the mis interpretation of acts of apostle. We can't blame them.

Acts 4:37
. . , Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles'feet.

let God judge who is right in that sense,  long as they haven't done contrary to scriptures.

You,my friend, display some really scary characteristics and I can only hope you are joking.

I only advocate we be objective in these labelling. Do you know the danger of labelling a man of God with blasphemous names? Maybe he is false maybe he is not. We should judge issues by scripture. We can't say a man is false by riding suv!

Falsehood is determined by scripptures , and we should look at scriptures . Also we should hear from the other party why they do what they do . We may be surprised that we probably are the one in the dark. When you get to know the principle by which they operate.

If we hear someone is a prophet the next thing is to label him "false prophet". If we hear there's a miracle they say it is false claim, if the miracle is proven true,they say it must be by black magic! Why? Because they want to sell the idea thst jesus doesnt get glory "he is dead" The first way to determine false hood is in the doctrine, their concept of the lordship of Jesus , salvation. Etc. We should lay the doctrine side by side with the word of God.  

We can't say a man is false because he is different from us.  We can't say a man is robbing the poor, because people give offerings and tithes.

dare2think:

We should not believe the report because they might have an agenda?

Is that what I said ?. I said he gave a biased report. One of the church members even complained that those guys were going out to smoke during the services, why should we be praising satan's attacks on the church

Quote from: 1wiseman on November 03, 2011, 12:12 AM
I attend Sign Fireman's church and I can tell you that  this video was seriously edited to suit the purpose of the producers - who by the way don't believe anything in God (They were out side smoking during most of the services). If Fireman had anything to hide he would not have given them such free access to the church

At least that's one of the posts from a member. I would have thought someone would ask that member more questions about his church.

But we should believe miracles we see on Tv performed by Chris or Joshua because they have no agendas?

Ofcourse, but what's the agenda? Is it not to glorify christ? To let the world know Jesus is the same yesterday ,today and forever .

Matthew 5:16
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Ohh Boy. @posters please leave the mata. I was at his service this Sunday and it was da bomb! vibrant preacher, humorous character and a whole lot of beatiful chix too. He is no different from all da rest of dem pentecostal preachers AKA Winners, TREM, RCCG, Sin-agog, CEC etcetera, only difference is he does not have a Private Jet or a Private University or a Private Estate or a Private TV (Yet).