Aim of this thread
Logic Logic and more Logic

The aim of this thread is to bring together people who believe that we are not alone in the universe, people who believe there's more to our existence on Earth than what we know...
This thread will aim to provide a logical and scientific based approach to understand the mysteries that we humans are yet to uncover...
They include...
UFO update and any update regarding the push by US congress for UFO transparency

Astral Projection, Numerology, Paranormal happenings, entities (demon,ghost, angel , spirit,e.t.c)
Almost anything concerning spirituality and religion...

Please, at the end of your contribution, state a logical analysis of what u have contributed, so we can peek into why u believe or subscribe to whatever view u have ..

This thread is all about logic, understanding different school of thought and to enable us paint a vague view of what we are really doing on this planet...

Note
You must not believe another person's view, but with logic, u can pick out something reasonable and add to ur school of thought
Lets go

Following

Special thanks to Newsnation for really doing well to bring the UFO phenomenon to mainstream media...
6 months ago, a former Pentagon employee made a bombshell interview, claiming the US government is in possession of extraterrestrial craft ...David Grush testified under oath in a congressional hearing...
The aftermath of the hearing has seen a bipartisan push in Congress to seek for more UFO transparency

Yeah i saw this on TV.... could he have lied under oath? Keeping my fingers crossed tho....

I am so overwhelmed when i think about how we got to this planet, if we were created, then who did and for what purpose...
This planet is very old, is it possible that we are not the first intelligent civilization to call here home? What is the history of life on earth, who even engineered planets and the celestial bodies ..it would take very advanced technology beyond our understanding to construct a planet, Construct an energy source (sun) and other things needed for life to be sustained....
Join me in this overwhelming wonder, it brings me tears to think of how we as a species,do not have concrete, logical knowledge of who we are and what our place in the universe is

I overheard two pastors talking about spiritual warfare they are facing....
One of the pastor caught my attention with his claims ..he says, a diabolical man in his compound turns into a cat at night to attack him....
Even tho i cannot verify his claims, still these talks of shapeshifting is commonly heard of in Nigeria....
I am very puzzled when i think about the science we are yet to understand as humans, an average religious person will narrowly view this issue as demonic and satanic. .but for the logical mind, i am thinking about the technology that will change a man to a cat....
The day, this veil of ignorance falls of our eyes as humans, we can understand the process from a scientific aspect, how do witches fly, what propulsion system is used? How do people change to cats, bat ,e.t.c, what kinda tech is that ?

What is Disclosure
Disclosure is the belief in the UFO community that someday, the extra-terrestial species that has been interacting with humanity will be made known to the public....this could be from the government making its knowledge on UFOs public, or the UFOs making themselves public, such that, beyond reasonable doubt, it will be clear that humanity is not alone in the universe...

You see, the issue is, the spiritual aspect to life cannot be quantified or measured by physical apparatus.
In essence logic doesn't occur or have roots in the spiritual realm. E.g like you said earlier, a witch can't fly by normal logic right? Hence how then do we access or understand this flying technology by normal understanding (I'm going somewhere)


Therefore, the things of the spirit is by heart knowledge or faith. Or intuition. Etc.

I come from the Christian pov and I'll share more thoughts to answer your comments much later.

nnamdiosu:
You see, the issue is, the spiritual aspect to life cannot be quantified or measured by physical apparatus.
In essence logic doesn't occur or have roots in the spiritual realm. E.g like you said earlier, a witch can't fly by normal logic right? Hence how then do we access or understand this flying technology by normal understanding (I'm going somewhere)


Therefore, the things of the spirit is by heart knowledge or faith. Or intuition. Etc.

I come from the Christian pov and I'll share more thoughts to answer your comments much later.

Thank you for ur contribution but this thread is not for christains, ur point of view is not compatible with the aim of this thread...

Minsk24:
I overheard two pastors talking about spiritual warfare they are facing....
One of the pastor caught my attention with his claims ..he says, a diabolical man in his compound turns into a cat at night to attack him....
Even tho i cannot verify his claims, still these talks of shapeshifting is commonly heard of in Nigeria....
I am very puzzled when i think about the science we are yet to understand as humans, an average religious person will narrowly view this issue as demonic and satanic. .but for the logical mind, i am thinking about the technology that will change a man to a cat....
The day, this veil of ignorance falls of our eyes as humans, we can understand the process from a scientific aspect, how do witches fly, what propulsion system is used? How do people change to cats, bat ,e.t.c, what kinda tech is that ?

When u hear people's experience with spirituality, it is really baffling...
There's this show on CBS reality, "hotel paranormal" a whole lot of spiritual things are happening oh

Star Trek Enterprise....
My favorite movie, this movie really spiked my imagination, a universe filled with diverse species at different levels of technological evolution, a universe filled with intergalactic trade, diplomacy and geo-politics.....

Kindly suggest alien movies if u have any....

I found battlefield Earth interesting, it draws parallel to the anunaki Gods of sumerian mythology ,who came to earth to extract mineral resources...

Minsk24:
I found battlefield Earth interesting, it draws parallel to the anunaki Gods of sumerian mythology ,who came to earth to extract mineral resources...

I have watched this movie a very long time ago, when i didn't know anything about aliens lol

Ertugrul:

When u hear people's experience with spirituality, it is really baffling...
There's this show on CBS reality, "hotel paranormal" a whole lot of spiritual things are happening oh

first, what is spirituality?

what does it mean to understand it?

if we cant understand it ,then what can we determine about it?

how do u know that ur existence proves the universe?

HellVictorinho6:


first, what is spirituality?

what does it mean to understand it?

if we cant understand it ,then what can we determine about it?

how do u know that ur existence proves the universe?

Good questions, i wish i have an answer...
We are here to learn, if u have nuggets, please drop them...with logical analysis as stated by the OP

HellVictorinho6:


first, what is spirituality?

what does it mean to understand it?

if we cant understand it ,then what can we determine about it?

how do u know that ur existence proves the universe?

In my opinion, Spirituality is a field of science that we are yet to understand...
Logical Analysis for my response
By science, i infer that for anything to happen, there must be guiding principles for it to happen, if there are guiding principles in the workings of Spirituality, then it is a scientific process that can be studied....
For example, in my university days, i was friends with some NBM guys who did juju to make them immune to gunshots and machete cuts, they juju man gave them a ring, on the condition that rain water should not touch the ring ...
Looking at this scenario, it means that there could be properties of rainwater that could interfere with the workings of the juju.

Minsk24:

In my opinion, Spirituality is a field of science that we are yet to understand...
Logical Analysis for my response
By science, i infer that for anything to happen, there must be guiding principles for it to happen, if there are guiding principles in the workings of Spirituality, then it is a scientific process that can be studied....
For example, in my university days, i was friends with some NBM guys who did juju to make them immune to gunshots and machete cuts, they juju man gave them a ring, on the condition that rain water should not touch the ring ...
Looking at this scenario, it means that there could be properties of rainwater that could interfere with the workings of the juju.

Hmmmm

This YouTube page by Billycarson is very eye opening,you can follow the series of the creation of man, based on the interpretation of sumerian tablets...
The sumerian account of the anunaki sounds very logical, i recommend u guys to check it out, do not believe anything but see if there's anything u can pick out ...
Keep an open mind and a logical mind

Quest TV has content on UFO and paranormal stuffs ....if the UFO content are true, then it leaves us with more questions than answers...
Look at everything with an open mind and see if u can draw parallels with something else u know

Minsk24:

In my opinion, Spirituality is a field of science that we are yet to understand...
Logical Analysis for my response
By science, i infer that for anything to happen, there must be guiding principles for it to happen , if there are guiding principles in the workings of Spirituality, then it is a scientific process that can be studied....
For example, in my university days, i was friends with some NBM guys who did juju to make them immune to gunshots and machete cuts, they juju man gave them a ring, on the condition that rain water should not touch the ring ...
Looking at this scenario, it means that there could be properties of rainwater that could interfere with the workings of the juju.

Point to note @bolded

Most accounts on the topic are mostly exaggerated and blotted out of proportion.

Many are simply, "the more you look the less you see". There was a time we learnt some card tricks to make cards disappear. Money in cigarettes and hanging cigarettes on walls. I learnt those and a few more.

The real deals are always done in secret.

correctguy101:


Point to note @bolded

Most accounts on the topic are mostly exaggerated and blotted out of proportion.

Many are simply, "the more you look the less you see". There was a time we learnt some card tricks to make cards disappear. Money in cigarettes and hanging cigarettes on walls. I learnt those and a few more.

The real deals are always done in secret.

Yes i agree with you....

Minsk24:

In my opinion, Spirituality is a field of science that we are yet to understand...
Logical Analysis for my response
By science, i infer that for anything to happen, there must be guiding principles for it to happen , if there are guiding principles in the workings of Spirituality, then it is a scientific process that can be studied....
For example, in my university days, i was friends with some NBM guys who did juju to make them immune to gunshots and machete cuts, they juju man gave them a ring, on the condition that rain water should not touch the ring ...
Looking at this scenario, it means that there could be properties of rainwater that could interfere with the workings of the juju.

Point to note @bolded

Most accounts on the topic are mostly exaggerated and blotted out of proportion.

Many are simply, "the more you look the less you see". There was a time we learnt some card tricks to make cards disappear. Money in cigarettes and hanging cigarettes on walls. I learnt those and a few more.

The real deals are always done in secret. There are matters of reality that one really has to be humble and just say "I Don't Know", Not claiming to know with zero explanation..

correctguy101:


Point to note @bolded

Most accounts on the topic are mostly exaggerated and blotted out of proportion.

Many are simply, "the more you look the less you see". There was a time we learnt some card tricks to make cards disappear. Money in cigarettes and hanging cigarettes on walls. I learnt those and a few more.

The real deals are always done in secret. There are matters of reality that one really has to be humble and just say "I Don't Know", Not claiming to know with zero explanation..

We as humans are no longer babies, there's nothing that we cannot comprehend, so to say we should humbly accept what we don't know is not logical or sensible...we must strive to attain knowledge and continuously understand the world around us ...
Because we don't understand Spirituality from a scientific aspect today, it shouldn't stop us from asking questions, this is to enable us transfer the curiosity and research to the next generation to carry on from where we stop

Minsk24:

We as humans are no longer babies, there's nothing that we cannot comprehend, so to say we should humbly accept what we don't know is not logical or sensible...we must strive to attain knowledge and continuously understand the world around us ...
Because we don't understand Spirituality from a scientific aspect today, it shouldn't stop us from asking questions, this is to enable us transfer the curiosity and research to the next generation to carry on from where we stop

U have a point, but this is really beyond our understanding so far

What is the UFO community without "History" channel....they have been very instrumental in research and proposing the "Ancient Alien Astronaut theory"
This theory proposes that in the distant past, extra-terrestial species came to this planet and had a hand in the creation of humans....

Minsk24:

We as humans are no longer babies, there's nothing that we cannot comprehend, so to say we should humbly accept what we don't know is not logical or sensible...we must strive to attain knowledge and continuously understand the world around us ...
Because we don't understand Spirituality from a scientific aspect today, it shouldn't stop us from asking questions, this is to enable us transfer the curiosity and research to the next generation to carry on from where we stop

Smh

I mentioned about simply saying: "I don't know" and "claiming to know without any explanation"... Never did this ancestor recommend not knowing and leaving it all at that. I'm sure you know people who claim spiritual this and that with little or no reasonable explanation for whatever that claim could be. If you don't, a little time on the religious section on this forum would open you to a lot of them.

Well, I'm a proudly " I DON'T KNOW " crew . If I'm not sure of something, I wouldn't even care about face and admit straight.

You understand now?

correctguy101:


Smh

I mentioned about simply saying: "I don't know" and "claiming to know without any explanation"... Never did this ancestor recommend not knowing and leaving it all at that. I'm sure you know people who claim spiritual this and that with little or no reasonable explanation for whatever that claim could be. If you don't, a little time on the religious section on this forum would open you to a lot of them.

Well, I'm a proudly " I DON'T KNOW " crew . If I'm not sure of something, I wouldn't even care about face and admit straight.

You understand now?

Yeah i get u now boss
You are very correct,

Minsk24:

In my opinion, Spirituality is a field of science that we are yet to understand...
Logical Analysis for my response
By science, i infer that for anything to happen, there must be guiding principles for it to happen, if there are guiding principles in the workings of Spirituality, then it is a scientific process that can be studied....
For example, in my university days, i was friends with some NBM guys who did juju to make them immune to gunshots and machete cuts, they juju man gave them a ring, on the condition that rain water should not touch the ring ...
Looking at this scenario, it means that there could be properties of rainwater that could interfere with the workings of the juju.

If itz a field of science, then what sort of experimentation,measurement or/and observation can lead to verifiable deductions about it?


If we can study it,then the study should permit us to use tools available to us for a demystification of certain cases ,right?

Ertugrul:

Good questions, i wish i have an answer...
We are here to learn, if u have nuggets, please drop them...with logical analysis as stated by the OP

Those that believe in those things should have the answers


As 4 me, i curse the day i was born,

Minsk24:
What is the UFO community without "History" channel....they have been very instrumental in research and proposing the "Ancient Alien Astronaut theory"
This theory proposes that in the distant past, extra-terrestial species came to this planet and had a hand in the creation of humans....

I think micro organisms are responsible 4 the creation of every other species including humans within the kingdoms in biology because they are indispensable to the development,continuity or/ and deterioration of a part or some parts or all of.......



any of the other species.




however,these micro organisms are not amazing to me.

the amount of intelligence required to create is directly proportional to the gain derived 4rm what is created by the creator.

HellVictorinho6:


If itz a field of science, then what sort of experimentation,measurement or/and observation can lead to verifiable deductions about it?


If we can study it,then the study should permit us to use tools available to us for a demystification of certain cases ,right?

You are right, but like i said, humanity is yet to uncover this field of science to study it in depth, Spirituality and science is yet to converge...this convergence will be very pivotal to the course of human evolution..