The pope has a point I look at how God does things In the bible critically his ministers prays for people not Minding the back ground

Jesus did not sometimes ask them if they were straight or bi sexual

The Syria general that was even living outside Israel was healed in The Bible

Many examples abound

The pope said if any one including gays want to give thanks giving in church take the items and bless pray for those who bring it.

Or bless pray for them when they come and ask for prayers

But not to bless them (gays)
as wife's and wife's or husband and husband etc

So he is still in the bible parameter.




Though this fine line may be trampled upon by a pro western way of life in the future this gaps may be exploited by another pope and given a calculated easy route to accept their sin in the church.

The problem with his lastest proclamation is that may people will be lead astray

Solsix:
The problem with his lastest proclamation is that may people will be lead astray

If they teach them the difference they probably won't

People needs to understand Bible' show's God rain falls on the good and bad.

Kingsnairaland:


If they teach them the difference they probably won't

People needs to understand Bible' show's God rain falls on the good and bad.

Rain wey go give u flu na wetin u go get if u be gay.

MatrixReloaded:

Rain wey go give u flu na wetin u go get if u be gay.

Am not gay and I hate the act I don't even like my friends to touch me while talking thus this is explaining some thing which you don't understand yet.

We must study before speaking.

Kingsnairaland:

We must study before speaking.

Do you have a son?
As a father will you give your blessing if he wants to marry as gay?

If your Pope says he is ready to bless gay marriage it's because he is childless unlike right thinking parents who will like to see their children have children!

MaxInDHouse:

Do you have a son?
As a father will you give your blessing if he wants to marry as gay?

If your Pope says he is ready to bless gay marriage it's because he is childless unlike right thinking parents who will like to see their children have children!

First pope did not say he will bless pray for gays marriage

Now if a child is gay (which can never even happen)
I will pray for him to become straight I will bless him to succeed in life but I will never attend his gay wedding

Or bless the gay wedding
But I will attend his eating ceremony and eat with him I will show him Bible places that said whom ever practice homosexuality
Will partake of lake of fire.

Kingsnairaland:

First pope did not say he will bless pray for gays marriage
Now if a child is gay (which can never even happen)
I will pray for him to become straight I will bless him to succeed in life but I will never attend his gay wedding Or bless the gay wedding
But I will attend his eating ceremony and eat with him I will show him Bible places that said whom ever practice homosexuality
Will partake of lake of fire.

You've really tried as human with your PERSONAL opinion regarding the child who chose to rebel against God's standard but then this is what God said about rebellious children:

The one refusing to listen to the law —Even his prayer is detestable. Proverbs 28:9

When God's people (Israelites) turned against God's laws which their ancestors passed on to them {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} Jeremiah the prophet wanted to pray for them but God objected saying:

“As for you, do not pray in behalf of this people. Do not cry out in their behalf or offer a prayer for them, for I will not be listening when they call out to me because of their calamity. Jeremiah 11:14

This is why the first century Jews felt that Jesus was Jeremiah who returned to them {Matthew 16:14} because Jesus will not pray for anyone who rejected his wise counsel! John 17:8-9

So it's your own thinking that approves prayer for an adult who has been taught God's laws but rejected it.

MaxInDHouse:


You've really tried as human with your PERSONAL opinion regarding the child who chose to rebel against God's standard but then this is what God said about rebellious children:

When God's people (Israelites) turned against God's laws which their ancestors passed on to them {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} Jeremiah the prophet wanted to pray for them but God objected saying:

This is why the first century Jews felt that Jesus was Jeremiah who returned to them {Matthew 16:14} because Jesus will not pray for anyone who rejected his wise counsel! John 17:8-9

So it's your own thinking that approves prayer for an adult who has been taught God's laws but rejected it.

Well you have a point but like God said his word is like two edge sword the trick is you use one word to cover the other

Even his prayer is detestable. Proverbs 28:9... This place is talking about that person prayer not another person that wants to pray for him

Now pick Moses example instead of Jeremiah own

Israel sin against God God wanted to kill all of them and Moses prayed and pleaded with God and Bible said God repent from destroying Israel

So it better to try than not to try just like Peter that tried to walk on water and did it only him has that experience and it was a sweet thing to experience

Now those who see Jesus as a prophet it is their choice because Bible already said God will be with us and he will be called Emmanuel he will hide himself so that they will not come force him to be king over Israel at the wrong time.

God did not forsake us in sin so don't forsake any child in sin.

Kingsnairaland:

Even his prayer is detestable. Proverbs 28:9... This place is talking about that person prayer not another person that wants to pray for him

God warned Jeremiah not to pray for Israelites who rejected God's laws! Jeremiah 11:14
Jesus Christ will not pray for anyone who is not willing to obey God's word! John 17:8-9

With the two examples of Jeremiah and Jesus Christ i believe there's no need arguing further if you feel Jeremiah is not enough what about Jesus Christ himself?

Thanks for your time.

MaxInDHouse:


God warned Jeremiah not to pray for Israelites who rejected God's laws! Jeremiah 11:14
Jesus Christ will not pray for anyone who is not willing to obey God's word! John 17:8-9

With the two examples of Jeremiah and Jesus Christ i believe there's no need arguing further if you feel Jeremiah is not enough what about Jesus Christ himself?

Thanks for your time.

So what about where God said we were still in sin and Jesus died for us to deliver us

Is homosexuality not among the sin Jesus died to deliver us from

Have you forgotten Jesus came to help sinners not saints

So Jesus came to help homosexual become free one day.

Kingsnairaland:


So what about where God said we were still in sin and Jesus died for us to deliver us

Is homosexuality not among the sin Jesus died to deliver us from

Have you forgotten Jesus came to help sinners not saints

So Jesus came to help homosexual become free one day.

Sinners are supposed to be killed according to God's word {Romans 6:23} but because God loves us He made a provision to save only the REPENTANT ones not all sinners! John 3:16

Whoever fails to avail himself for the provision deserves no prayer because God will not listen! Jeremiah 11:14

MaxInDHouse:

Sinners are supposed to be killed according to God's word {Romans 6:23} but because God loves us He made a provision to save only the REPENTANT ones not all sinners! John 3:16

Whoever fails to avail himself for the provision deserves no prayer because God will not listen! Jeremiah 11:14

So when God said he himself has delivered us from the kingdom of darkness into his sons kingdom

Does that not tell you that all of us where saved by grace not by what we did or by our prayer or availability

It mercy that saved us and that mercy is extended to homosexual people

The mercy and love is what draw all men that claimed they are saved to God

Each day.

Kingsnairaland:

So when God said he himself has delivered us from the kingdom of darkness into his sons kingdom. Does that not tell you that all of us where saved by grace not by what we did or by our prayer or availability. It mercy that saved us and that mercy is extended to homosexual people. The mercy and love is what draw all men that claimed they are saved to God
Each day.

Why do you like arguing blindly nah?

OK you said people don't need to avail themselves for the provision God made but you've been pestering me to believe in some form of ideology or i will go to Hellfire.

So are you now saying i don't need to believe in your Jesus again since God has provided the means of salvation for everyone?

Guy it's obvious you just love deceiving yourself, all are sinners {Romans 3:23} deserving of death {Romans 6:23} but those doing the will of God will be saved {Matthew 7:21-23} not everybody that's why many will perish because they refused to avail themselves for the provision God made to save obedient mankind! John 3:16

MaxInDHouse:


Why do you like arguing blindly nah?

OK you said people don't need to avail themselves for the provision God made but you've been pestering me to believe in some form of ideology or i will go to Hellfire.

So are you now saying i don't need to believe in your Jesus again since God has provided the means of salvation for everyone?

Guy it's obvious you just love deceiving yourself, all are sinners {Romans 3:23} deserving of death {Romans 6:23} but those doing the will of God will be saved {Matthew 7:21-23} not everybody that's why many will perish because they refused to avail themselves for the provision God made to save obedient mankind! John 3:16

My goodness when did I say people don't need to avail themselves of what God made available

The means of salvation God provided is Jesus

Now your third paragraph is accurate so I don't understand how you mix up the first and second one

Let me add.... Jesus died for the whole world including homosexual people

They are still human beings and God mercy and love will get to them and some will be saved and drop the act.

The same way God saved us and we dropped our own sinful nature.

Kingsnairaland:

So when God said he himself has delivered us from the kingdom of darkness into his sons kingdom. Does that not tell you that all of us where saved by grace not by what we did or by our prayer or availability

Kingsnairaland:

My goodness when did I say people don't need to avail themselves of what God made available
The means of salvation God provided is Jesus

Now are you saying Jesus' death will save a man who has heard about Jesus and what Jesus taught but chose to live as a gay?
Will such a person be saved without accepting what Jesus commanded?

MaxInDHouse:




Now are you saying Jesus' death will save a man who has heard about Jesus and what Jesus taught but chose to live as a gay?
Will such a person be saved without accepting what Jesus commanded?

Bible shows the secret to how God saves people

When you receive Jesus as your lord God and savoir then Jesus comes into your life into your heart and starts to work on you

It step by step process that God uses first he gives you his holy spirit which will make you you always call God my father my father

Then you will want to make God happy by obeying God as you desire more to obey you may raise and fall back in sin but at the end sin will not have dominion over that child of God

Homosexuality will die inside him he will not desire it he will not hunger for it

I use to smoke cigarettes many years ago and I use to hunger to go to church then one day the power of God hit me in church then people began to want to have the same powers that hit me

Then I began to hide smoking in public I began doing it only in my room so that I will not disappoint those people that know what God did to me in church

Then as time goes on one day I smoke in my room and I felt like this thing has no taste the desire for it began to die and I did not even know when I stopped to smoke I just lost desire for it, it took me three years to stop smoking

So I believe God has millions of way to solve any sin to die in any one once they are his child because God word can never fail

God said sin will not have dominion over his children

So any one that is a child of God who does homosexuality God will give him that same power to stop the homosexuality because you will want to please God when you are his child

Our heart cries my father my father.

Kingsnairaland:

Bible shows the secret to how God saves people. When you receive Jesus as your lord God and savoir then Jesus comes into your life into your heart and starts to work on you. It step by step process that God uses first he gives you his holy spirit which will make you you always call God my father my father. Then you will want to make God happy by obeying God as you desire more to obey you may raise and fall back in sin but at the end sin will not have dominion over that child of God. Homosexuality will die inside him he will not desire it he will not hunger for it. I use to smoke cigarettes many years ago and I use to hunger to go to church then one day the power of God hit me in church then people began to want to have the same powers that hit me. Then I began to hide smoking in public I began doing it only in my room so that I will not disappoint those people that know what God did to me in church. Then as time goes on one day I smoke in my room and I felt like this thing has no taste the desire for it began to die and I did not even know when I stopped to smoke I just lost desire for it, it took me three years to stop smoking. So I believe God has millions of way to solve any sin to die in any one once they are his child because God word can never fail. God said sin will not have dominion over his children. So any one that is a child of God who does homosexuality God will give him that same power to stop the homosexuality because you will want to please God when you are his child. Our heart cries my father my father.

Please you're not saying anything tangible here. The question is:
Can a worshiper of your God still continue to practice homosexualism?
We all know that Christianity takes away habits forbidden by God and that's through the help of God's holy spirit with the effort of the one who wants to be saved.
But saying someone who deliberately choose to be a gay and also publicly marry as gay that is no longer a sign of repentance but looking forward to gaining acceptance in the society!

MaxInDHouse:


Please you're not saying anything tangible here. The question is:
Can a worshiper of your God still continue to practice homosexualism?
We all know that Christianity takes away habits forbidden by God and that's through the help of God's holy spirit with the effort of the one who wants to be saved.
But saying someone who deliberately choose to be a gay and also publicly marry as gay that is no longer a sign of repentance but looking forward to gaining acceptance in the society!

A worshiper of God can not practice it as a way of life

But can do it because addiction is not stopped in one day it takes time to stop

Bible says if any man is without sin he calls God a liar

Child of God can fall in sin once in a while but should not remain in sin and not live in sin

Church is a spiritual hospital and some get healed in a day while it takes time for others

Jesus said prostitute thief's and all type of sinners will be saved and make heaven at the last day

So it shows it took time to deliver them from it because we that are watching them sin and thinking they can't be saved will find out they will be saved.

Kingsnairaland:

A worshiper of God can not practice it as a way of life. But can do it because addiction is not stopped in one day it takes time to stop.

Guy stop deceiving yourself, we aren't talking about addiction here, a chain smoker will not like his or her child to smoke because they know it's an addiction they would love to trash if they can. But a gay who wants to MARRY as gay doesn't see it as an addiction that's evil rather they're seeking acceptance in the society and if you don't accept them they're ready to fight for their right to gay marriage.

So it's totally a different ball game!

MaxInDHouse:


Guy stop deceiving yourself, we aren't talking about addiction here, a chain smoker will not like his or her child to smoke because they know it's an addiction they would love to trash if they can. But a gay who wants to MARRY as gay doesn't see it as an addiction that's evil rather they're seeking acceptance in the society and if you don't accept them they're ready to fight for their right to gay marriage.

So it's totally a different ball game!

My friend a child of God does not seek acceptance for gay because God already said homosexuality is a sin

We are talking about a child of God... We are not talking about any body that claims to be a Christian

A child of God that accept Jesus as his lord and savour knows that Jesus can not stand against the bible and the scripture can not be broken

It is already written homosexuality is a sin so the child of God desires to stop the act and God is always available to see him through.

There are many testimony online of people who stopped homosexuality and porn acting after many years of working with God and step by step God delivered them

Any thing or sin you practice daily becomes a habit and an addiction so a particular sin can be an addiction and habit

Praying daily and reading Bible daily can also be an addiction so there are good addiction and bad ones.

Kingsnairaland:

My friend a child of God does not seek acceptance for gay because God already said homosexuality is a sin.

What the Pope said is that the church should bless gay marriage as a way of accepting them in the society as normal people, that's what we are talking about not someone who sin and is not feeling comfortable about the sin.
If someone is gay and he doesn't want to continue in the act after knowing God's stand surely we will help him with prayer so that he can fight the habit through help from God.
But someone who doesn't even want to hear that it's against God's will yet demanding that he has a right to be accepted in the society we must not pray in behalf of such a person because God will not listen to such prayer. Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

That's what i am telling you!

MaxInDHouse:

What the Pope said is that the church should bless gay marriage as a way of accepting them in the society as normal people, that's what we are talking about not someone who sin and is not feeling comfortable about the sin.
If someone is gay and he doesn't want to continue in the act after knowing God's stand surely we will help him with prayer so that he can fight the habit through help from God.
But someone who doesn't even want to hear that it's against God's will yet demanding that he has a right to be accepted in the society we must not pray in behalf of such a person because God will not listen to such prayer. Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

That's what i am telling you!

Please first read my first post up to see what the Pope said

Don't follow the crowd when you actually don't know what the Pope said

Read my first post here so you can see what the Pope said.

https://www.nairaland.com/7949230/pope-issue-gays-still-within#127621851

Kingsnairaland:

Please first read my first post up to see what the Pope said. Don't follow the crowd when you actually don't know what the Pope said
Read my first post here so you can see what the Pope said. https://www.nairaland.com/7949230/pope-issue-gays-still-within#127621851

This is what the commandment of God says:

“‘You must not lie down with a male in the same way that you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable act." Leviticus 18:22

So CURSED is anyone who approves/blesses such detestable act in the name of Yahweh the God of Israel! Deuteronomy 27:26

Thanks for your time!

Kingsnairaland:

Jesus did not sometimes ask them if they were straight or bi sexual

The Syria general that was even living outside Israel was healed in The Bible

Many examples abound..

You obviously do not remember The Law on gays which none of them whom you use as an example ever commited.

Kingsnairaland:
...It is already written homosexuality is a sin so the child of God desires to stop the act and God is always available to see him through...

A child of God never needs to stop the abomination since he never entered it in the first place.

A repentant homo can never be a child of God, his fate shall be determined on Judgment Day.

Dtruthspeaker:

A child of God never needs to stop the abomination since he never entered it in the first place.

A repentant homo can never be a child of God, his fate resrs on Judgment Day.

Of course a REPENTANT HOMOSEXUAL can become a child of God:

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. 1Corinthians 6:9-11

So any repentant sinner can become born again Christian but first he must put away the old personality and put on the new personality! Ephesians 4:22-24

It's through listening to the word of God which has power to reach their hearts {Hebrews 4:12} that such could be possible for God's word is beneficial for TEACHING REPROVING SETTING MATTERS STRAIGHT and DISCIPLINING in RIGHTEOUSNESS so that the child of God may be fully competent and completely equiped for every good work! 2Timothy 3:16-17

MaxInDHouse:


Of course a REPENTANT HOMOSEXUAL can become a child of God:

[Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God[/color]. 1Corinthians 6:9-11

So any repentant sinner can become born again Christian but first he must put away the old personality and put on the new personality! Ephesians 4:22-24..

By The Law, homosexuals, idolers and adulterers have a very serious case to answer because of the death penalty passed on them. Unlike stealing which is restitution and compensation.

So they can repent and completely stop committing crimes (born again) but no reasonable person can call them children of God unless and until they earn it.

Dtruthspeaker:

By The Law, homosexuals, idolers and adulterers have a very serious case to answer because of the death penalty passed on them. Unlike stealing which is restitution and compensation.

So they can repent and completely stop committing crimes (born again) but no reasonable person can call them children of God unless and until they earn it.

I completely agree with the highlighted just as Jesus said:

“With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:26

So if they rely on human effort it's impossible for them to become God's children but if they submit wholeheartedly to God's will Jesus said all things are possible!

MaxInDHouse:


This is what the commandment of God says:

“‘You must not lie down with a male in the same way that you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable act." Leviticus 18:22

So CURSED is anyone who approves/blesses such detestable act in the name of Yahweh the God of Israel! Deuteronomy 27:26

Thanks for your time!

No one is arguing what Bible said

You clearly refuse to understand what the Pope is saying.

Dtruthspeaker:


You obviously do not remember The Law on gays which none of them whom you use as an example ever commited.

First of all gay is a sin
And fornication is a sin

There is no prove that those sinners Jesus healed was not doing one of those sins yet Jesus healed them without minding it

Jesus clearly said he came to help sinners
And not to condemn them

Why are you more holy than the one who gives holiness.