Truth

WHAT… is Truth? A difficult question; but I have solved it for myself by saying that it is what the voice within tells you. How then, you ask, [do] different people think of different and contrary truths? Well, seeing that the human mind works through innumerable media and that the evolution of the human mind is not the same for all, it follows that what may be truth for one may be untruth for another, and hence those who have made these experiments have come to the conclusion that there are certain conditions to be observed in making those experiments…

It is because we have at the present moment everybody claiming the right of conscience without going through any discipline whatsoever, and there is so much untruth being delivered to a bewildered world. All that I can in true humility present to you is that Truth is not to be found by anybody who has not got an abundant sense of humility. If you would swim on the bosom of the ocean of Truth, you must reduce yourself to a zero.1

Truth and Love--ahimsa--is the only thing that counts. Where this is present, everything rights itself in the end. This is a law to which there is no exception.2


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Sovereign Principle

For me truth is the sovereign principle, which includes numerous other principles. This truth is not only truthfulness in word, but truthfulness in thought also, and not only the relative truth of our conception, but the Absolute Truth, the Eternal Principle, that is God. There are innumerable definitions of God, because His manifestations are innumerable. They overwhelm me with wonder and awe and for a moment stun me.

But I worship God as Truth only. I have not yet found Him, but I am seeking after Him. I am prepared to sacrifice the things dearest to me in pursuit of this quest. Even if the sacrifice demanded be my very life, I hope I may be prepared to give it. But as long as I have not realized this Absolute Truth, so long must I hold by the relative truth as I have conceived it. That relative truth must, meanwhile, be my beacon, my shield and buckler. Though this path is strait and narrow and sharp as the razor's edge, for me it has been the quickest and easiest. Even my Himalayan blunders have seemed trifling to me because I have kept strictly to this path. For the path has saved me from coming to grief, and I have gone forward according to my light. Often in my progress I have had faint glimpses of the Absolute Truth, God, and daily the conviction is growing upon me that He alone is real and all else is unreal.


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Quest for Truth

, The further conviction has been growing upon me that whatever is possible for me is possible even for a child, and I have found sound reasons for saying so. The instruments for the quest of Truth are as simple as they are difficult. They may appear quite impossible to an arrogant person, and quite possible to an innocent child.

The seeker after Truth should be humbler than the dust. The world crushes the dust under its feet, but the seeker after Truth should so humble himself that even the dust could crush him. Only then, and not till then, will he have a glimpse of Truth.

Truth is like a vast tree, which yields more and more fruit the more you nurture it. The deeper the search in the mine of truth the richer the discovery of the gems buried there, in the shape of openings for an even greater variety of service.

I think it is wrong to expect certainties in this world, where all else but God that is Truth is an uncertainty. All that appears and happens about and around is uncertain, transient. But there is a Supreme Being hidden therein as a Certainty, and one would be blessed if one could catch a glimpse of that certainty and hitch one's wagon to it. The quest for that Truth is the summum bonum of life.

In the march towards Truth, anger selfishness, hatred, etc., naturally give way, for otherwise Truth would be impossible to attain. A man who is swayed by passions may have good enough intentions, may be truthful in word, but he will never find the Truth. A successful search for Truth means complete deliverance from the dual throng such as of love and hate, happiness and misery.


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Vision of Truth

To see the universal and all-pervading spirit of Truth face to face one must be able to love the meanest of creation as oneself. And a man who aspires after that cannot afford to keep out of any field of life. That is why my devotion to Truth has drawn me into the field of politics; and I can say without the slightest hesitation, and yet in all humility, that those who say that religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion means.

My uniform experience has convinced me that there is no other God than Truth… The little fleeting glimpses… that I have been able to have of Truth can hardly convey an idea of the indescribable luster of Truth, a million times more intense than that of the sun we daily see with our eyes.

In fact, what I have caught is only the faintest gleam of that mighty effulgence. But this much I can say with assurance, as a result of all my experiments, that a perfect vision of Truth can only follow a complete realization of ahimsa.

Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.


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Absolute Truth

It is not given to man to know the whole Truth. His duty lies in living up to the truth as he sees it, and in doing so, to resort to the purest means, i.e., to non-violence.

God alone knows absolute truth. Therefore, I have often said, Truth is God. It follows that man, a finite being, cannot know absolute truth.

Nobody in this world possesses absolute truth. This is God's attribute alone. Relative truth is all we know. Therefore, we can only follow the truth as we see it. Such pursuit of truth cannot lead anyone astray.


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Truth and I

I have in my life never been guilty of saying things I did not mean--my nature is to go straight to the heart and, if often I fail in doing so for the time being, I know that Truth will ultimately make itself heard and felt, as it has often done in my experience.

Let hundreds like me perish, but let Truth prevail. Let us not reduce the standards of Truth even by a hair's breadth for judging erring mortals like myself.

In judging myself I shall try to be as harsh as truth, as I want others also to be. Measuring myself by that standard I must exclaim with Surdas,

Where is there a wretch
So wicked and loathsome as I?
I have forsaken by Maker,
So faithless have I been.


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My Errors

I may be a despicable person, but when Truth speaks through me, I am invincible.

I am devoted to none but Truth and I owe no discipline to anybody but Truth.

I have no God to serve but Truth.

I have no strength except what comes from insistence on truth. Non-violence, too, springs from the same insistence.

I am a humble but very earnest seeker after Truth. And in my search, I take all fellow-seekers in uttermost confidence so that I may know my mistakes and correct them. I confess that I have often erred in my estimates and judgements… And inasmuch as in every case I retraced my steps, no permanent harm was done. On the contrary, the fundamental truth of non-violence has been made infinitely more manifest than it ever has been, and the country has in no way been permanently injured.

I am a learner myself, I have no axe to grind, and wherever I see a truth, I take it up and try to act up to it.

I believe that, if in spite of the best of intentions, one is led into committing mistakes, they do not really result in harm to the world or, for the matter of that, any individual. God always saves the world from the consequences of unintended errors or men who live in fear of Him.

Those who are likely to be misled by my example would have gone that way all the same even if they had not known of my action. For, in the final analysis, a man is guided in his conduct by his own inner promptings, though the example of others might sometimes seem to guide him. But be it as it may, I know that the world has never had to suffer on account of my errors because they were all due to my ignorance. It is my firm belief that not one of my known errors was willful.

Indeed, what may appear to be an obvious error to one may appear to another as pure wisdom. He cannot help himself even if he is under a hallucination. Truly as Tulsidas said: 'Even though there never is silver in mother o' pearl not water in the sunbeams, while the illusion of silver in the shinning shell or that of water in the beam lasts, no power on earth can shake the deluded man free from the spell.' Even so must it be with men like me who, it may be, are labouring under a great hallucination. Surely God will pardon them and the world should bear with them. Truth will assert itself in the end.

Truth never damages a cause that is just.

Life is an aspiration. Its mission is to strive after perfection, which is self-realization. The ideal must not be lowered because of our weaknesses or imperfections. I am painfully conscious of both in me. The silent cry daily goes out to Truth to help me to remove these weakness and imperfections of mine.


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No Abandonment of Truth

Believe me when I tell you, after 60 years of personal experience, that the only real misfortune is to abandon the path of truth. If you but realize this, your one prayer to God will always be to enable you to put up, without flinching, with any number of trials and hardships that may fall to your lot in the pursuit of truth.

Truth alone will endure, all the rest will be swept away before the tide of time. I must, therefore, continue to bear testimony to Truth even if I am forsaken by all. Mine may today be a voice in the wilderness, but it will be heard when all other voices are silenced, if it is the voice of Truth.

A man of faith will remain steadfast to truth, even-though the whole world might appear to be enveloped in falsehood.

When it is relevant, truth has to be uttered, however unpleasant it may be. Irrelevance is always untruth and should never be uttered.

Truth is a principle that lies outside the minds of men, and has to be learnt by men. Its a universal principle that is defined only by the One who is Himself the embodiment, or the sum total of truth. God is truth. He defines truth.

Truth can neither be situational, nor conviniently defined according to circumstances. It is steadfast as God Himself, and God has laid out truth in ways so that we are able to relate to it, in order for His absolute and un-changing values to make sense to us. For example the bible defines truth in these terms:

Psalms 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your law is truth.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 17:17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth

There you have three biblical standards of truth via which we shall be judged.

Utter rubbish

Posted by: huxley

Utter rubbish

huxley:

Utter rubbish

Ah aaah! Huxley. Let's consider what the guy is saying, even if just a little bit. Such outright dismissal is not scientific. What are your arguments to suggest that he is talking rubbish.

ps. I'm not agreeing with him, I'm just saying that he deserves proper consideration.

Simply put, truth is Jesus Christ

Truth is Fact. Something That Do not go against The bible.

TRUTH IS SUBJECTIVE AND RELATIVE.

Truth is that which you seek that makes you glad when found.
Truth is that which was, is and will always be regardless of perception.

Can you thing of any Truths which is not about something? For instance, to speak of truth in a meaningful way it has got to be related to some other entity;

Examples:

The truth about human origins, the truth about the physical nature of the stars, the truth about the age of the earth, the truth about what causes cancer, etc, etc.

Now do we have a systematic epistemic methodology for arriving at reliable truths about such entities?

According to the narratives of the bible, the earth is only about 10000 years old. If that were true, how would you account for petroleum, dinosaurs, the Grand canyon, etc. Is the bible then a source of truths or falsehoods?

To me TRUTH is a universal interpretation of a an observable state, effect, condition,event, phenomena. Truth to me must be accepted and verifiable by all and not by a few selected few. truth also must be constant and not subject to interpretation according to the interpreter.

SeanT21:

Truth is Fact.

Truth is Fact like Chalk is Cheese.

madamkoko:

TRUTH IS SUBJECTIVE AND RELATIVE.

No! I disagree. Facts are relative but not Truth. The experience of Truth can be subjective in the sense that it cannot be demonstrated to another.

wirinet:

To me TRUTH is a universal interpretation of a an observable state, effect, condition,event, phenomena. Truth to me must be accepted and verifiable by all and not by a few selected few. truth also must be constant and not subject to interpretation according to the interpreter.

I get your point but you've made a small contradiction. 1)Truth is a universal interpretation. and 2)truth also must be . . . not subject to interpretation.

I would put what I think you are saying like this: No matter which way you look at it, when you look at it, or perspective from which you look at it, regardless of Conditionality, Truth remains the same.

The moment you interpret it according to a certain perspective it ceases to be the Truth. Various perspective will always come up with various interpretations of the truth. Yet truth remains integral, constant and beyond the interpretations that our brains can form.

Pastor AIO:

Truth is Fact like Chalk is Cheese.
No! I disagree. Facts are relative but not Truth. The experience of Truth can be subjective in the sense that it cannot be demonstrated to another.
I get your point but you've made a small contradiction. 1)Truth is a universal interpretation. and 2)truth also must be . . . not subject to interpretation.

I would put what I think you are saying like this: No matter which way you look at it, when you look at it, or perspective from which you look at it, regardless of Conditionality, Truth remains the same.

The moment you interpret it according to a certain perspective it ceases to be the Truth. Various perspective will always come up with various interpretations of the truth. Yet truth remains integral, constant and beyond the interpretations that our brains can form.

Some concrete examples would be useful. For instance, were I to be asked, "What is the truth about XXXX?", I could say ;

XXXX is blue
XXXX is 10 years old
XXXX is 10 meters high.

These attributes constitute the truths about XXXX.

So, some concrete examples will help illuminate your discussions. Waiting in anticipation.

Truth does not lend itself to Rhetoric.

huxley:


Some concrete examples would be useful. For instance, were I to be asked, "What is the truth about XXXX?", I could say ;

XXXX is blue
XXXX is 10 years old
XXXX is 10 meters high.

These attributes constitute the truths about XXXX.

So, some concrete examples will help illuminate your discussions. Waiting in anticipation.

Those statements are FACTS about XXXX not the Truth about XXXX. With a bit of green paint, XXXX will no longer be blue and next year, XXXX will be 11 years old and also probably a different height. Truth is eternal and unchanging while Facts are subject to change.

Pastor AIO:

Those statements are FACTS about XXXX not the Truth about XXXX.  With a bit of green paint, XXXX will no longer be blue and next year, XXXX will be 11 years old and also probably a different height.  Truth is eternal and unchanging while Facts are subject to change. 

I disagree.
Can we start from here

Chrisbenogor:

I disagree.
Can we start from here

That's a big place to start from. What part of the link do you want to address first?

I think that in many peoples definitions Truth and Fact are synonymous, but what I want to do is make a distinction on the basis that Facts occur at some point in Time and refer to past events. On the other hand Truth is not an occurrence in Time but is beyond time, in eternity. Thus the distinction between truth and fAct is like the distinction between Eternity and Temporality.

well done all of you. truth is all that you  ascribe to it ,and that includes , THIS VERY MOMENT, HERE and NOW, because GOD IS !

Pastor AIO:

That's a big place to start from. What part of the link do you want to address first?

I think that in many peoples definitions Truth and Fact are synonymous, but what I want to do is make a distinction on the basis that Facts occur at some point in Time and refer to past events. On the other hand Truth is not an occurrence in Time but is beyond time, in eternity. Thus the distinction between truth and fAct is like the distinction between Eternity and Temporality.

Yes it is, I pointed you there so you would understand that truth is really not in a black or white area, it is in a shade of grey. It can have so many definitions, I also disagree with your explanation of truth and fact, but to give you the benefit of doubt, from your definition of truth give us an example.
Cheers.

Chrisbenogor:

Yes it is, I pointed you there so you would understand that truth is really not in a black or white area, it is in a shade of grey. It can have so many definitions, I also disagree with your explanation of truth and fact, but to give you the benefit of doubt, from your definition of truth give us an example.
Cheers.

I have argued my position about this before on a previous thread. To properly understand my position you have to accept that Time is not essential to existence and that therefore it is possible to experience timeless events that exist. Please read through this thread and let me know what you think then. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-142723.0.html

I'm interested to know what you think of Plato's allegory of the Cave too.

I'm not ducking from giving you a definition of Truth, but you'll have to read through that thread (it's a short one) to properly understand my position.

@ pastor AIO

ps. I'm not agreeing with him, I'm just saying that he deserves proper consideration.

What part do you not agree with?

Bobbyaf:

@ pastor AIO

What part do you not agree with?

Well I don't agree that truth lies outside Man, or the mind of man, and has to be learnt.

Pastor AIO:

I have argued my position about this before on a previous thread. To properly understand my position you have to accept that Time is not essential to existence and that therefore it is possible to experience timeless events that exist. Please read through this thread and let me know what you think then. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-142723.0.html

I'm interested to know what you think of Plato's allegory of the Cave too.

I'm not ducking from giving you a definition of Truth, but you'll have to read through that thread (it's a short one) to properly understand my position.

It was a very interesting allegory, and I think I get the general idea, but before I commit myself I want you to tell me how you were brought out of the cave and what you saw

Truth: Yall can't handle the truth.
For example - Truth is absolute, and anything beside it are relative.
Absolutes:
Fire - it burns (it does not matter whether you believe it or not, simply put your finger in the fire)
Marriage - (between male and female, but let me know when u meet a male that can be impregnated via male natural insertion or a female via female natural insertion with the exception of a she male)

Relatives:
Your ideas - (based on facts, feelings, desires, logics, and other issues)

Pilate said to Him "What Is Truth?" And when he said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, "I find no fault in Him at all." _John 18:38.

Pilate didn't wait for an answer or Jesus refuse to answer.

All men search for the Truth. May you accept the Truth when / if you find it.

Chrisbenogor:

It was a very interesting allegory, and I think I get the general idea, but before I commit myself I want you to tell me how you were brought out of the cave and what you saw

The allegory of the Cave is recognised by most philosophers as the most powerful allegory or image ever evoked in the entire history of Philosophy. 

As regards my own personal experiences, I have to say that I have not really come out of the cave entirely, but I have seen enough to know that there is more to reality than the shadows on the wall. 

The 'How' of it is basically the story of my life.  There wasn't a single event, but lots of amazing events.  I can't really say whether I was born with a predisposition to see more than shadows or whether it wasn't congenital but the result of religious practice, or whether it was just Grace and not the consequence of anything that I'd done. 

The hardest part is telling what I saw.  Firstly the experience does not really lend itself to rhetoric.  Not even the most eloquent.  The reason for this is simple.  Language has evolved to help us communicate and deal with Sensory experience.  Language is intimately connected with the shadows.  Language's terms refer to the shadows and the relations between shadows. The grammatical structure of language is based on tenses which are all about Time, past present and future.   Outside of the Cave you'll find that words fail you.  This is why I don't believe that Truth can ever  be conveyed through text, whether we're talking about the bible, the Koran, In the Light of Truth, or Harry Potter and the Temple of doom. 

All the categories of Thought and cognitive processes as we know them are broken down, yet experience continues.  It is a state where mutually exclusive oppositions can be married without paradox.  Or put another way, it is where paradox can occur without raising an eyebrow. 

I want to point out that what you see is not different from the things we see in the world with our normal senses, but rather they are seen differently.  So it is not like you go somewhere else to see different things.  Just like shadows are projections of bodies in front of a light source, so is the sensual world a projection of a deeper reality.

Truth is anything that stands on its own. Truth doesn't need any cover or support to be. Truth is clear and sweet.

I-fy:

Truth is anything that stands on its own. Truth doesn't need any cover or support to be. Truth is clear and sweet.

Now I didn't know that Truth had a taste. Sweet is it?

Pastor AIO:

The allegory of the Cave is recognised by most philosophers as the most powerful allegory or image ever evoked in the entire history of Philosophy. 

As regards my own personal experiences, I have to say that I have not really come out of the cave entirely, but I have seen enough to know that there is more to reality than the shadows on the wall. 

The 'How' of it is basically the story of my life.  There wasn't a single event, but lots of amazing events.  I can't really say whether I was born with a predisposition to see more than shadows or whether it wasn't congenital but the result of religious practice, or whether it was just Grace and not the consequence of anything that I'd done. 

The hardest part is telling what I saw.  Firstly the experience does not really lend itself to rhetoric.  Not even the most eloquent.  The reason for this is simple.  Language has evolved to help us communicate and deal with Sensory experience.  Language is intimately connected with the shadows.  Language's terms refer to the shadows and the relations between shadows. The grammatical structure of language is based on tenses which are all about Time, past present and future.   Outside of the Cave you'll find that words fail you.  This is why I don't believe that Truth can ever  be conveyed through text, whether we're talking about the bible, the Koran, In the Light of Truth, or Harry Potter and the Temple of doom. 

All the categories of Thought and cognitive processes as we know them are broken down, yet experience continues.  It is a state where mutually exclusive oppositions can be married without paradox.  Or put another way, it is where paradox can occur without raising an eyebrow. 

I want to point out that what you see is not different from the things we see in the world with our normal senses, but rather they are seen differently.  So it is not like you go somewhere else to see different things.  Just like shadows are projections of bodies in front of a light source, so is the sensual world a projection of a deeper reality.

I really respect personal experiences and I have had some of mine too, before I used to think they were special up until I realized that each and everyone of us always seemed to have a unique experience, sadly some of us do not "experience" on a level that would make us bold enough to say we have had a glimpse of the truth.
Let me bring home what I am trying to say, if we follow that allegory and try not to jump to the end, unless one is brought out of the cave we really not know if there is anything outside, all we have to work with are shadows assuming we are all prisoners. The big problem arises when you go out and catch a glimpse of truth, you come in and you tell me, I go out and then come back seeing something different. I hope you get what I am saying.
Anyway I respect your position and your personal convictions and always love a chat with you.

Cheers man.

Chrisbenogor:

I really respect personal experiences and I have had some of mine too, before I used to think they were special up until I realized that each and everyone of us always seemed to have a unique experience, sadly some of us do not "experience" on a level that would make us bold enough to say we have had a glimpse of the truth.
Let me bring home what I am trying to say, if we follow that allegory and try not to jump to the end, unless one is brought out of the cave we really not know if there is anything outside, all we have to work with are shadows assuming we are all prisoners. The big problem arises when you go out and catch a glimpse of truth, you come in and you tell me, I go out and then come back seeing something different. I hope you get what I am saying.
Anyway I respect your position and your personal convictions and always love a chat with you.

Cheers man.

Thank you sir.  Yet in order for someone to come back into to the cave describing that they saw something different they would first of all have to find the words to describe the experience. 

The impossibility of this however will not, and has not, stopped some people from trying.  Differences, and hence conflicts, will occur when people attempt to articulate their experiences to followers.  The followers then take the articulated concepts and ideas and uphold them as 'truth' and then fight against others who have a different conceptualisation of it. 

The Chinese have a nice allegory for this phenomenon.  It's called the finger pointing at the moon.  Bruce Lee uses it Enter the Dragon.  Check it out at 7:50 of this clip - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xlT0AUH2s58

Many people are so mesmerised with the finger pointing at the moon that they are not bothered or even aware that there is a moon there.  Don't concentrate on the finger but on what it is pointing to.   

Jesus makes a similar point in John 5:39. You examine the Scriptures carefully because you suppose that in them you have eternal life. Yet they testify about me.  The scriptures are like a finger pointing, they don't contain what we seek.  They are only an allusion to what we seek.  It is a mistake to take them or any other religio-cultural artifacts as the main gist of things. 


Please I want you to take a look at this image here:  http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22535838-5012895,00.html

Please ignore what it says about the right brain or left brain, that is not the point I wanna make, and I don't even think brain hemispheres is pertinent to the phenomenon.  I just want you to tell me what way the figure is spinning and whether you can get it to spin the other way round.

Chrisbenogor:

I really respect personal experiences and I have had some of mine too, before I used to think they were special up until I realized that each and everyone of us always seemed to have a unique experience, sadly some of us do not "experience" on a level that would make us bold enough to say we have had a glimpse of the truth.
Let me bring home what I am trying to say, if we follow that allegory and try not to jump to the end, unless one is brought out of the cave we really not know if there is anything outside, all we have to work with are shadows assuming we are all prisoners. The big problem arises when you go out and catch a glimpse of truth, you come in and you tell me, I go out and then come back seeing something different. I hope you get what I am saying.
Anyway I respect your position and your personal convictions and always love a chat with you.

Cheers man.

Hi Chris. You have a point but I also think that Pastor has a point. While our language is limited in describing our experiencing of the truth, the limitation becomes a problem if one is looking at the language as the Truth. Language is just a means, an instrument to give form to what is experienced. The form is not the Truth . The form can however be a channel to the experiencing of the Truth for seekers. However I agree with you that if one has experienced the truth, such a person inspite of the limitation of the language will be able to give form to what he has expeienced such that those who have equally experienced the truth will see in the forms a reflection of the Truth. Just an earthly analogy. If you, Pastor and I have listed to Micheal Jacksons song "Thriller". We may hear it differently, it may make some of us dance or may even upset others that they switch off the radio but all will recognise the song as Thriller by Micheal Jackson. If however the song Thriller by MJ is played and some say it is "Like a Virgin by Madona, "In Da Club" by 50 cent or even "ala owerri" by oriental brothers, then something is wrong. That is all those who say that Micheal Jacksons Thriller is some other song by another artist either do not know Micheal Jacksons Thriller in the first place or they are experiencing an illusion. Thus my view is that the language can be used to give form to the Truth but that form is not the Truth itself and all those who have experienced the Truth will be capable of recognising both the Truth and the form of Truth irrespective of who is describing their experiences. Stay blessed.

m_nwankwo:

Hi Chris. You have a point but I also think that Pastor has a point. While our language is limited in describing our experiencing of the truth, the limitation becomes a problem if one is looking at the language as the Truth. Language is just a means, an instrument to give form to what is experienced. The form is not the Truth . The form can however be a channel to the experiencing of the Truth for seekers. However I agree with you that if one has experienced the truth, such a person inspite of the limitation of the language will be able to give form to what he has expeienced such that those who have equally experienced the truth will see in the forms a reflection of the Truth. Just an earthly analogy. If you, Pastor and I have listed to Micheal Jacksons song "Thriller". We may hear it differently, it may make some of us dance or may even upset others that they switch off the radio but all will recognise the song as Thriller by Micheal Jackson. If however the song Thriller by MJ is played and some say it is "Like a Virgin by Madona, "In Da Club" by 50 cent or even "ala owerri" by oriental brothers, then something is wrong. That is all those who say that Micheal Jacksons Thriller is some other song by another artist either do not know Micheal Jacksons Thriller in the first place or they are experiencing an illusion. Thus my view is that the language can be used to give form to the Truth but that form is not the Truth itself and all those who have experienced the Truth will be capable of recognising both the Truth and the form of Truth irrespective of who is describing their experiences. Stay blessed.

Thank you Sir, I always sense reason and experience whenever I read your views on issues and your analogy with thriller was excellent.
If all religions at least agree that they listened to thriller that would be a lovely start.