askit:

What have you taught here so far that's not available online. Someone advised you start learning Ifa online, but instead you're trying to contact them off Nairaland and coercing them to send you books.

You want to be spoonfed. There's a reason that person recommended you should learn using Google and didn't state going to one babalawo (ifa priest) or the other to prevent falling into the hands of fraudsters, which are in every religion, including ATR.

But no; it's lies and get-rich-quick schemes you're looking for all about. You said they're manipulating you because they told you the simple truth.

What people spend years to learn, he wants to learn that in a day here on Nairaland. Na why dem dey scam this kind of people easily, always looking for shortcuts where there are none

I don't know why people are not being reasonable. Even when you gain admission into a uni to study any course, you're not taught everything at once but in batches or levels.

Also, there are books of Ifa online both free and paid. But you expect to be spoonfed. You want everything to be posted here on Nairaland.

No one will teach you how to do research on things yourself

Someone told you not to worship Ifa, but still, they want to enslave you. Nairaland Church propagandist

The person you mentioned did not advertise or call you to come and learn Ifa, na you know wetin you dey find all about when you no fit stick with your Jesus

Read the bolded part again. And you mean you have gone through my posts. Lol. You are not serious at all.

It is obvious that you are either:

1. An inexperienced Ifa scammer, or
2. Ifa maga.

Hahahha! Even guys are asking me behind the scene how I got so much info...so, in your brain, you still think I I don't know things.... You are damn so slow mehn. Babalawo will keep scamming you. You are damn just too slow. Damn. Mehn! People just don't read to understand. Mehn! Chai! Ifa maga.

epainos:

Read the bolded part again. And you mean you have gone through my posts. Lol. You are not serious at all.

It is obvious that you are either:

1. An inexperienced Ifa scammer, or
2. Ifa maga.

Hahahha! Even guys are asking me behind the scene how I got so much info...so, in your brain, you still think I I don't know things.... You are damn so slow mehn. Babalawo will keep scamming you. You are damn just too slow. Damn. Mehn! People just don't read to understand. Mehn! Chai! Ifa maga.

This fellow needs to be banned for posting wrong information on Nairaland and harrasing other members.

You're advised to do your own research using resources online, but you're calling people scammers, manipulators all about without any single proof.

How did I scam you? You go about calling random people you just met on a forum scammers without having any dealings with them.

Rules 2 and 8 broken. Telling you to do research yourself online on a subject yourself is not called a scam anywhere.

Cc: Seun, Nlfpmod

epainos:

Title recommendations are perfect also. If you can share it here...fine...if you need me to send you a private message....it is fine by me. I have started with Google, but it has its limitations. I don't want to dive into the ocean without any roadmap; therefore, the titles of good materials will be appreciated.

Rule 8 broken. I don't know why Nairaland allows this sort of people to harrass other members anyhow without any justification. He was even trying to contact another member off Nairaland, breaking Nairaland's rules

You mentioned random people (strangers) to share their insights on Odu Ifa. When they answered your question honestly and told you to use online resources to learn, you called them scammers and manipulators. Yet, no one asked you for a dime or cares about whether you learn Ifa or not

There's a reason people like me don't recommend books of Ifa to people. It's to prevent situations like this

Once a person supports indigenous knowledge systems, automatically the mischievous adherents of the foreign religions will be looking for all means to set them up

Yet, there are many people supporting indigenous knowledge systems or practicing ATR that live and treat people with honesty and integrity and have good jobs.

There are scientists, doctors, teachers, chemists, even a Nobel laureate, writers, historians, artists, and many other professionals supporting/using African native knowledge systems or practicing ATR and making a good living honestly in Nigeria and overseas

Popular examples are the renowned professors whose pictures are shown below.

Nairaland needs to upgrade itself and stop allowing mischievous people to clamp down on the rights of other members of this forum.

askit:

The way you post lies all about is mind-boggling. All what you said here is only a figment of your imagination. It's totally different from the reality

Anyone following events in Nigeria and overseas knows adherents of ATR, including babalawos (often translated as Ifa priests), are a minority in Nigeria and have held little or no key political positions

Dey post your lies small small, no be kids dey dis forum

This is what most of you failed to realize because majority calls the building where people gather for worship "Church" doesn't mean that's correct.

Baba ònífá is the Ifá priest not babalawo.

MaxInDHouse:


This is what most of you failed to realize because majority calls the building where people gather for worship "Church" doesn't mean that's correct.

Baba ònífá is the Ifá priest not babalawo.

All that's semantics, which I'm not interested in discussing. How will a person be called baba onifa without doing the rites of joining awo, which makes them a babalawo? There are laid down rules for such rites online on blogs and books on the subject about Yoruba culture and traditions

I use the term "Ifa devotees" /"Ifa priests" to refer to babalawos, and that usage has a key significance in this subject.

Ifa devotees or Ifa priests (who I call babalawos) are different from other people, for instance, students or researchers, who know Odu Ifa alittle or a bit more but don't belong to any awo (occult) and don't worship Ifa

Such people may even be a descendant of Ifa or Orunmila directly or indirectly but still they don't worship them

Don't mix things up. Even Ifa priests/devotees don't recognize such people as individuals (members) within their fold because such people are often quite objective about Odu Ifa, which the priests or devotees usually find offensive or disrespectful

Look at the individual talking about Ifa earlier, which I think the mod banned; such people are mere researchers, not in any awo. No Ifa devotees/priests will tell you that Odu Ifa has limits (only people into academia do such)

In fact, the priests hate hearing such, and they don't usually consider researchers of Odu Ifa as belonging to to their fold

Researchers don't know or observe their codes of conduct

askit:

This fellow needs to be banned for posting wrong information on Nairaland and harrasing other members.

You're advised to do your own research using resources online, but you're calling people scammers, manipulators all about without any single proof.

How did I scam you? You go about calling random people you just met on a forum scammers without having any dealings with them.

Rules 2 and 8 broken. Telling you to do research yourself online on a subject yourself is not called a scam anywhere.


Rule 8 broken. I don't know why Nairaland allows this sort of people to harrass other members anyhow without any justification. He was even trying to contact another member off Nairaland, breaking Nairaland's rules

Rule 2. Don't abuse, bully, deliberately insult/provoke, fight, or wish harm to Nairaland members OR THEIR TRIBES.
Rule 8. Don't post false information on Nairaland.

Those are the rules. Explain where I said you scammed me. You are a false accuser and you have just raised a false alarm.

You called me a dullard indirectly saying I want to be spoon-fed. And I said what I said based on the fact that if you are really smart, you should know that this person posting gave insights and logical reasons for what he said. So, it's not an insult when you called me a dullard indirectly. Right? But an insult when you are told that anyone who gives a babalawo goats, money, etc....such is a maga. E dey pain you. Right?

E dey sweet you when you call Pastor Adeboye and other pastors scammers and even when you insult Jesus. You did it in your last post sef. But to say Babalawos are scammers kon pain you like this.

Chai. A don spoil business for you. Sorry ooo. Go find another business. Lol.

You insulted me and my faith. Did I make a "biggy" about it? Don't you call pastors names? But I proved my case that babalawos are scammers. Lol. And e dey pain you. See...na your ifa god you should call to attend to this issue na. You don't crack Christians here?

See, I am not going to dignify you with any response if you continue with false accusations.

So, in the whole of this thread, you can't point to where your ifa friends "jabbed" Christianity.

Am I telling lies? Na Eshu dey chop the meat Babalawos dey collect from clients? No be scam be that?

See...I won't dignify you with any response again. When you have concrete evidence from the so-called research you have made online (na you dey sharp to do research online na), then come here and drop them with links. Then, you will know whether I am the one who is lazy or you when it comes to education. So, madam....sebi books dey online...materials are plenty....come and convince me. Make me believe you that Babalawos are not scammers. It's not an insult but a fact I stated which you should counter rather than call mods to your aid. Convince me. Prove your case logically here. Go to that online and bring your facts here since there are books, facts, etc online.

If you can, then, we can rub minds together. If you cannot, you will have yourself to argue with cos i wont reply you. If you say it is an insult....well ok oo. Did you not call me a dullard indirectly earlier? Let's see who is the maga or dullard.

A beg...shift to one side.

Not here to engage an MOG slave, fighting for his gods masquerading as pastors.

Na people wey dey tell you to research and learn things for yourself online be scammers and manipulators because they don't collect a dime from you, no be the ones that tell you to pay tithes or charge you unnecessarily because you're dense

See an adult that hates to be told he needs to think for himself. Don't worry, just outsource your thinking to your pastors

There are many honest people using native knowledge systems for research/work or practicing ATR without scamming and defrauding others like your pastors

askit:
Not here to engage an MOG slave, fighting for his gods masquerading as pastors.

Saying "MOG slaves" is right and not insulting, but saying Babalawo are scammers is wrong. Can you see your life?

Na people wey dey tell you to research and learn things for yourself online be scammers and manipulators because they don't collect a dime from you, no be the ones that tell you to pay tithes or charge you unnecessarily because you're dense

You that don do research, defend your babalawo scammers na. Please, tell me if Eshu eats the meat babalawo collects from magas? Eshu dey drink the oil?

See an adult that hates to be told he needs to think for himself. Don't worry, just outsource your thinking to your pastors

Point if correction. Some pastors are scammers. Of course yes. This is not the bone of contention. My issue is that the Bible has been declassified. Babalawo should declassify theirs too so we can check ourselves. If you cannot assimilate anything from what I wrote earlier, I need to push this into your skull. This is my concern. I am not into your kind of low-IQ online war. I am not interested in pastors this, babalawo that. If they cannot declassify their odus, they should get the crap outta. I will worship a God I can meet directly rather than going through a fellow human. Anyone who goes to God through pastors does not know what Christianity is about.

There are many honest people using native knowledge systems for research/work or practicing ATR without scamming and defrauding others like your pastors

Prove to me that the meat that honest man collects is eaten by Eshu. Then, we can continue from there. Babalawo are scammers. Know this and know peace. We aint going to return to the dark ages. No more manipulation. If they want us to believe them, let them declassify their odu. Or can you search online and let us know where the full version has been published like the bible? Na the ifa Bible I said they should make available. Do you think I am stupid to read commentaries and articles by babalawo liars? You dey crack me. Make me go read babalawo commentaries online. Make a go read lies. First declassify Ifa Corpus online and let us all have access to the source. Then we can know if we are to believe you or not. You have the Bible. Read it. It is plain.

Tripe. I no dey read nonsense

FRANCISTOWN:


When will he answer the prayers of those who are dying of famine in Somalia?

When will he answer the prayers of those dying of cancer, those dying of malaria, those dying of unfortunate circumstances?

What happens is actually a law of average at work. Not the hands of any God bringing any prayer to manifestation.

You overrate yourself too much, man. You are a mere dust. Just imagine AI or some robots questioning their creators and rubbing shoulders with them. AIs and Robots are created by man for his pleasure. The day it tries to be unfortunate, man will show it who is the boss. Same way everything is created by God for his pleasure. So, your little morality policing does not affect Him. Man must bear the consequences of sin: death, cancer, famine, wars, e.t.c. Know this and know peace.

askit:
Tripe. I no dey read nonsense

If you do not want to read the Bible, no wahala. At least it is there. No manipupation. If pastors manipulate any Christian, that fellow is not a Christian. The Bible is there.

But I want to read that ifa corpus. Tell your fake babalawos....what the crap are they afraid of? Why is their god a secret one? The God Christians serve is plain and open in the Bible. Christians are bold and open to criticism. Yes. You can insult us. Feel free. Use Bible verses. Go on ....Feel free. At least it is out there.

Tell your ifa priests and babalawo to make the odus available for us to read. In 2024, they still want people to memorise a minimum of 1024 poems. You dey "whine" me?

The odu ifa is what I want to research online. Tell them to make it available. The full version. Yes..i have a few, but the full is still not available. Tell them to let us see the positive and the negative. Not all odus contains sacrifices. Dem your babalawo no go recite those. Na the one where dem go chop dem go recite. Even things wey no dey there dem go ask. I challenge you. Can babalawos declassify ifa corpus?


So, those babalawo who are 70s, 80s, 90s, me...carry myself go listen to their brains that have been ravaged by dementia. Youbdey whine me? Se na false info here? Make me put my faith in the brains of 80 years old men. You dey whine me?

See...make a no talk about anything else. You trust old people's brains in this IT age. Think am na. Are you really smart? Come on. Chai. In 2024, you go meet an old 85-year-old man who dey recite poems after throwing dice. Even the dice are ok...you kon trust the man's brain. Chineke! 85 years old man. Seriously...are you ok?

Why dis m0ron dey spam my mentions? Mentally sick people really plenty for Nairaland because I don't know how an adult doesn’t know how to engage others like a person that has a sound brain

Who cares about what you want to research? Is this one daft or mentally sick?

askit:

All that's semantics, which I'm not interested in discussing. How will a person be called baba onifa without doing the rites of joining awo, which makes them a babalawo? There are laid down rules for such rites online on blogs and books on the subject about Yoruba culture and traditions
I use the term "Ifa devotees" /"Ifa priests" to refer to babalawos, and that usage has a key significance in this subject.
Ifa devotees or Ifa priests (who I call babalawos) are different from other people, for instance, students or researchers, who know Odu Ifa alittle or a bit more but don't belong to any awo (occult) and don't worship Ifa
Such people may even be a descendant of Ifa or Orunmila directly or indirectly but still they don't worship them
Don't mix things up. Even Ifa priests/devotees don't recognize such people as individuals (members) within their fold because such people are often quite objective about Odu Ifa, which the priests or devotees usually find offensive or disrespectful
Look at the individual talking about Ifa earlier, which I think the mod banned; such people are mere researchers, not in any awo. No Ifa devotees/priests will tell you that Odu Ifa has limits (only people into academia do such)
In fact, the priests hate hearing such, and they don't usually consider researchers of Odu Ifa as belonging to to their fold
Researchers don't know or observe their codes of conduct

There is a difference between Ifá and Awo, a Buddhist, Muslim, Churchian, Traditionalist, Doctor, Lawyer, Judaist and many more may be involved in AWO but Ifá is a religion on it's own just as all these religions are on their own.

Ifá means consulting the Oracle while Awo means the occult which any form of religionist can be their member.
There is the Olúawo, Apènà, Erelú, Asípa and the others in AWO this are the initiates while Ifá only deals with the Oracle anyone can go for a consultation the initiates are also novice when it comes to ifá they must pay for consultation just as anyone else.

All these are top secrets that most of you don't know!

askit:
Why dis m0ron dey spam my mentions? Mentally sick people really plenty for Nairaland because I don't know how an adult doesn’t know how to engage others like a person that has a sound brain.

Who cares about what you want to research? Is this one daft or mentally sick?

Neither will I report you nor try to make you delete this post. Rather, I will have it here grabbed even if you delete the post for readers to see who you are. The same person who called the mods some minutes ago that I insulted her (false accusation) is the one calling one this name. Lol.

Hahha. Se una dey see them? Na to push am to insults na. The same person who accused one.

My response to the bolded part:
Thank God you recognise that a senior you..(adult). As that adult, I am flabbergasted how a young person who should have a sharp brain kon carry herself go meet and trust 85 years old brain ravaged with dementia. E shock me.

MaxInDHouse:


There is a difference between Ifá and Awo, a Buddhist, Muslim, Churchian, Traditionalist, Doctor, Lawyer, Judaist and many more may be involved in AWO but Ifá is a religion on it's own just as all these religions are on their own.

Ifá means consulting the Oracle while Awo means the occult which any form of religionist can be their member.
There is the Olúawo, Apènà, Erelú, Asípa and the others in AWO this are the initiates while Ifá only deals with the Oracle anyone can go for a consultation the initiates are also novice when it comes to ifá they must pay for consultation just as anyone else.

All these are top secrets that most of you don't know!

Lols, afi top secret na. You must think na children dey for this board or dense people wey dey outsource their thinking to pastors

Babalawo is used strictly for Ifa priests or devotees, i.e., those that specialize in Odu Ifa or worship Ifa

But there are different kinds of awo (occultic groups), one of which is Ifa cult specifically for babalawos (ifa priests or devotees)

you don't even know the history of this subject

To become a babalawo (ifa priest or devotee), a person must do the ceremony called itefa. So they've laid down rules to join their occultic group (Ifa cult).

Odu Ifa came from Orunmila and Ifa, and Orunmila was the first babalawo or grand priest of Ifa in Yorubaland. Babalawo is strictly for the Ifa cult

But there are different kinds of awo in Yorubaland

Babalawos are Ifa devotees or priests

There are Sango cult, Osun cult, Obatala cult, and the likes built around or formed by a specific deity or the other

All these are awo, too, but babalawos belong to Ifa cult specifically

That's why it's good to research things online before going deep into them because once you join all these cults, it's extremely difficult to leave later on, just like the cults (awo) of the foreign religions as well

Only a severe mental health disorder can cause this spamming of mentions of complete strangers on a forum

askit:

There are Sango cult, Osun cult, Obatala cult, and the likes built around or formed by a specific deity or the other

So the occult has many facets.

The occult is what is called AWO!

askit:
Only a severe mental health disorder can cause this spamming of mentions of complete strangers on a forum

A random person who does not know her limit will be a good lesson. I won't report you...i will make sure all your insults are registered here.

Anyway, you that made your research online cannot face me again? You dey run away? No be you bold enough to mention me first here and mention mods and rules here on NL. You are the one breaking the same rules. Can you see your life?

What are you afraid of? Mr Quantum Physics could not reply after I gave him his portion. You carried your sharp and intuitive mouth here...and see what you have become.

Get the crap outta this thread cos this discussion is beyond you. If you want to discuss this in this group, you will go to those online papers your fake babalawos put there to defend whatever you want to say here. I told you....you think I am the one who will start fighting you regarding fake pastors. Yes, there are many. But the standard is the Bible which is open to all. It is online. The Bible is everywhere. References to the bible are everywhere. Tell us where the ifa odus are. Let us check. See...I don't want to insult you ooo. But you have an extremely low IQ. Just jumped into matters you know nothing about...and then start insulting everyone here. You better carry yourself outta this thread before i descend on you. Cos if I change my approach, you will ask ground to swallow you up cos I will rubbish you. I promise you.

See low IQ telling me i want to be spoon-fed. I will school you...teach you odu ifa...tell you the lies you have been told. You don't know me at all.

You have nothing to offer here. Get the crap outta here and stop insulting everyone here.

Were go rant tire. I don't engage mentally sick people

MaxInDHouse:


So the occult has many facets.

The occult is what is called AWO!

Obviously

askit:
There are scientists, doctors, teachers, chemists, even a Nobel laureate, writers, historians, artists, and many other professionals supporting/using African native knowledge systems or practicing ATR and making a good living honestly in Nigeria and overseas

Popular examples are the renowned professors whose pictures are shown below.

Nairaland needs to upgrade itself and stop allowing mischievous people to clamp down on the rights of other members of this forum.

Is Wole Soyinka a babalawo? Do you have a mind to even process information and argue logically? Has Wole Soyinka asked anyone to bring sacrifices to him to offer to the gods? Did you not read where I mentioned Old Testament people in the Bible cast lots too? And then, I said the spirit of God directs it?

This person has a low IQ. Walahi.

You are still nobody in this thread cos you came around to start insulting everyone here.

I am not here to insult "Olodumare" as it is called. I am not here to insult the Ifa Corpus itself. I am here to tackle babalawos.

Listen again to me.... this is my approach...and get it into your brain.

I reserve my comment on your "olodumare". Whether he is the same God we serve like babalawo Fatomikin or so always say... and many others say, i won't argue. But for me to believe you that your god is real...you will declassify Odu Ifa. That is it. If you don't declassify it, do not near me

I jave no business with whoever you claim worship ifa. You said it. I dont care to even check. If Wole Soyinka is stup.id to listen to 90 years old brain with dementia, do you think he would win his pretiguous award? I dont care what he worships. What I care about ia that you should declassify odu ifa. Make it open. What are you hiding? The Bible is out there. This is the main angle of my argument. Get this into your brain.

MaxInDHouse
I suggest you leave that low-IQ person alone. I have already handled her. I think her seniors pushed her to this thread to sample things.

Just leave that low-IQ person alone. Let her seniors come around. She is too low to have a meaningful discussion with.

She registered that moniker today (less than 1-day old moniker) to insult. I doubt the moniker is a female also. She might be one of those I had handled previously. Scammers' behaviour . I don't know what she is hiding. Not even bold to the extent of quickly registering a new moniker to do the dirty job. Check it. The moniker was registered some minutes ago. Yet, she put low IQ content here. Mehn!

epainos:

Is Wole Soyinka a babalawo? Do you have a mind to even process information and argue logically? Has Wole Soyinka asked anyone to bring sacrifices to him to offer to the gods? Did you not read where I mentioned Old Testament people in the Bible cast lots too? And then, I said the spirit of God directs it?

This person has a low IQ. Walahi.

You are still nobody in this thread cos you came around to start insulting everyone here.

I am not here to insult "Olodumare" as it is called. I am not here to insult the Ifa Corpus itself. I am here to tackle babalawos.

Listen again to me.... this is my approach...and get it into your brain.

I reserve my comment on your "olodumare". Whether he is the same God we serve like babalawo Fatomikin or so always say... and many others say, i won't argue. But for me to believe you that your god is real...you will declassify Odu Ifa. That is it. If you don't declassify it, do not near me

I jave no business with whoever you claim worship ifa. You said it. I dont care to even check. If Wole Soyinka is stup.id to listen to 90 years old brain with dementia, do you think he would win his pretiguous award? I dont care what he worships. What I care about ia that you should declassify odu ifa. Make it open. What are you hiding? The Bible is out there. This is the main angle of my argument. Get this into your brain.

Omo! this your plenty grammar wey you the wire person wey you talk say na olodo, how e go take understand?

but wetin make you the yap like chihuaha like this? the nigga f0ndle your balls?

Two m.orons dey quote themselves, Lols. Where the grammar dey?

So many daft people on this forum. Where did I call WS a babalawo? Lols, na human being pikin dull like this

Spamming my mentions like a maniac fellow. Public nuisance

BBIA:

Omo! this your plenty grammar wey you the wire person wey you talk say na olodo, how e go take understand?

but wetin make you the yap like chihuaha like this? the nigga f0ndle your balls?

You no check the username of your daft friend. E dey pain am say I no rate him IQ to share key books with am on Odu Ifa

Why I go dey waste my time with a dense person wey no sabi think for himself and dey outsource him thinking to him pastors, worshiping a fellow human (pastor) as god

Before I discuss a topic person with a person, such must demonstrate a certain level of intelligence

If not, the person will be giving me unnecessary stress and waste of time

Make him cry from now till tomorrow or spam my mentions all through the week, that won't change a thing. Naso losers dey do

askit:

You no check the username of your daft friend. E dey pain am say I no rate him IQ to share key books with am on Odu Ifa

Why I go dey waste my time with a dense person wey no sabi think for himself and dey outsource him thinking to him pastors, worshiping a fellow human (pastor) as god

Before I discuss a topic person with a person, such must demonstrate a certain level of intelligence

If not, the person will be giving me unnecessary stress and waste of time

Make him cry from now till tomorrow or spam my mentions all through the week, that won't change a thing. Naso losers dey do

as you mention pastor I don understand totally

Once they fall for one person who coins the doctrine to favor his/ ministry, the follower hardly can be saved from their own gullibility.

There is no patch for human stupidity

BBIA:

as you mention pastor I don understand totally

Once they fall for one person who coins the doctrine to favor his/ ministry, the follower hardly can be saved from their own gullibility.

There is no patch for human stupidity

The path to stu. pidity is following pastors blindly when the Bible (Christians' manual) is around, and the way to God is direct. Not through a pastor or a prophet anymore according to the Bible. But so many people are lazy. This is what I have sided with on this thread.

However, both you and the low-IQ person up there want to make me go dirty and start fighting on a subject that is so irritating to me. I don't have business with pastorpreneurs. According to my Bible that is out there, it says...many false prophets will arise. And they are here. So, if you think I will change the topic and start defending pastors, you have lost it cos I won't go that path with you. You will find your NL mate who is ready to defend pastors. The Bible is the standard I am defending here, and not any pastor.

I defend the Bible and not any pastors. So, open your brain and let it sink into it. If you want to insult pastors, go ahead. Not my business. Are there so many thieves among them? Yes. But our Bible did not tell us to follow pastors. Anyone who follows them is on his own.

I checked well to know why you still try to bring about the pastors' debate which is irrelevant here and I realised that you did not understand the meaning of the word "declassify". Please, pick your dictionary....check it. Then, it may make sense to you. And then perhaps you will understand the direction of the discussion here

Sorry bro. Na only simple English confused you .... and you embarrass yourself and still talk out of point here. Try to post with the mind that people read these posts. Cos...na embarrassment to still try to bring pastors' issue here because the subject here is not about fraudulemt pastors...and even I said it earlier...there are many false pastors. Our Bible supports it too. So, dont you understand simple logic?


After you get the meaning of that word, then, if you have any point to back up or tackle my point, feel free to make your comment. If you still return to talk about pastors again, then, you definitely will not understand the logic of the argument, and I am sorry....I won't stoop so low to exchange banters on pastors and prophets going about and defrauding people. It means that you just cannot fit into the category of those I can discuss with.

Best of luck!

BBIA:

Omo! this your plenty grammar wey you the wire person wey you talk say na olodo, how e go take understand?

but wetin make you the yap like chihuaha like this? the nigga f0ndle your balls?

If my grammar is too much for you, it means you don't fit here. You may need to find a thread that those discussing there have the same IQ as you. I think an elementary 6 pupil can comprehend what I wrote. If you see it as plenty of grammar, please, look for threads with your IQ and engage them there.

God bless you.

MaxInDHouse:


This is what most of you failed to realize because majority calls the building where people gather for worship "Church" doesn't mean that's correct.

Baba ònífá is the Ifá priest not babalawo.

Babanifa (Baba Onifa) is the same as Babalawo in the IFA religion. But they are scarcely called Babanifa. The most popular term is Babalawo .

Babalawo means. Someone who has been thru the ceremony of an initiation into IFA religion, who has learnt and studied the IFA religion. And he practices it and most importantly makes consultations for people)

Babalawo: A Father in the cult of initiates. (They believe once you are initiated, you are no longer a boy but a father, the apprentices are called ọmọ ifá or omo awo or kekere awo)

Though Babalawo and Babanifa can be used interchangeably. But Babanifa is mostly used for the Babalawos that don't make consultations for people, though they worship IFA but they don't make consultations and they often visit babalawos for their consultations.

epainos:


The path to stu. pidity is following pastors blindly when the Bible (Christians' manual) is around, and the way to God is direct. Not through a pastor or a prophet anymore according to the Bible. But so many people are lazy. This is what I have sided with on this thread.

However, both you and the low-IQ person up there want to make me go dirty and start fighting on a subject that is so irritating to me. I don't have business with pastorpreneurs. According to my Bible that is out there, it says...many false prophets will arise. And they are here. So, if you think I will change the topic and start defending pastors, you have lost it cos I won't go that path with you. You will find your NL mate who is ready to defend pastors. The Bible is the standard I am defending here, and not any pastor.

I defend the Bible and not any pastors. So, open your brain and let it sink into it. If you want to insult pastors, go ahead. Not my business. Are there so many thieves among them? Yes. But our Bible did not tell us to follow pastors. Anyone who follows them is on his own.

I checked well to know why you still try to bring about the pastors' debate which is irrelevant here and I realised that you did not understand the meaning of the word "declassify". Please, pick your dictionary....check it. Then, it may make sense to you. And then perhaps you will understand the direction of the discussion here

Sorry bro. Na only simple English confused you .... and you embarrass yourself and still talk out of point here. Try to post with the mind that people read these posts. Cos...na embarrassment to still try to bring pastors' issue here because the subject here is not about fraudulemt pastors...and even I said it earlier...there are many false pastors. Our Bible supports it too. So, dont you understand simple logic?


After you get the meaning of that word, then, if you have any point to back up or tackle my point, feel free to make your comment. If you still return to talk about pastors again, then, you definitely will not understand the logic of the argument, and I am sorry....I won't stoop so low to exchange banters on pastors and prophets going about and defrauding people. It means that you just cannot fit into the category of those I can discuss with.

Best of luck!



If my grammar is too much for you, it means you don't fit here. You may need to find a thread that those discussing there have the same IQ as you. I think an elementary 6 pupil can comprehend what I wrote. If you see it as plenty of grammar, please, look for threads with your IQ and engage them there.

God bless you.

Seems me seconding your point turned me to an enemy.

didn’t you see through the joke?

I’ll pass.

FRANCISTOWN:


Babanifa (Baba Onifa) is the same as Babalawo in the IFA religion. But they are scarcely called Babanifa. The most popular term is Babalawo .

Babalawo means. Someone who has been thru the ceremony of an initiation into IFA religion, who has learnt and studied the IFA religion. And he practices it and most importantly makes consultations for people)

Babalawo: A Father in the cult of initiates. (They believe once you are initiated, you are no longer a boy but a father, the apprentices are called ọmọ ifá or omo awo or kekere awo)

Though Babalawo and Babanifa can be used interchangeably. But Babanifa is mostly used for the Babalawos that don't make consultations for people, though they worship IFA but they don't make consultations and they often visit babalawos for their consultations.

Every one of you has just verified my points. Lol. A babalawo must know at least 4 poems for each of the 256 odus. Am I right or wrong?

So, I am asking you also....why are you still keeping secrets? So, you wan whine me that those 80, 90 years old men can recite correctly?

Do you want to say that babalawos are not manipulators? We can check the Bible which is the standard of Christianity, why can't we check Odu Ifa? Lol. I repeat...Babalawo kept people in the dark....tormented them, stole their properties...asked for what eshu did not ask for. They manipulated everything and the people could not check. Lol. People wanted freedom. So, when Jesus' followers arrived....everyone japa to his side. That's why they sing...Jesus does not collect kolanuts and sacrifices. Lol.

Why are your babalawos desperate saying the Christians, Moslims and they serve the same God? Cos they are losers.

If they want to win, let them declassify Odu Ifa. These rubbish commentaries online are nonsense. Like say, I should be reading fake pastors' commentaries on Bible instead of reading the real Bible. Read manipulators' commentaries.

I repeat, I am not able to say whether your olodumare is fake or not. But if dem your agba babalawo is saying that you guys serve my God, we demand you allow us to check na. Our Bible is out there in the plain...why can't you put yours out there too?

Please, watch the following YouTube and listen to this man. We all know him. He is popular...and he is a manipulator. Here it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uizXHX-tRhA&list=PLuCoG7L7T66DJ_F9w3GMEJvmUwCNFtd2u&index=2&pp=iAQB

Here is another one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqTwCs79AMM&list=PLuCoG7L7T66DJ_F9w3GMEJvmUwCNFtd2u&index=3&pp=iAQB
This man is trying to popularize this scam again. Who demonized ifa religion? Babalawo did. Se if you get a free option rather than a manipulator who keeps demanding extremely expensive sacrifices, will you not japa? Many of those babalawos in those days, enslaved people. Do you want to deny it? Or should we go down the lane again?

Babalawo fought Christianity. They called our God a strange one. But they lost because they are just manipulators. Now they want to penetrate again. Lol. E no go work sir.

If you want us to believe you, go and declassify Odu Ifa. If you cannot, then, crap out. No one will ever follow a secret god.

Science is plain too. It is still ok to believe in science than believe in babalawo. So...forget it. You are wasting your time. And I am telling you...not until you declassify Ifa will people take you seriously.

Stop ridiculing yourselves on NL. With the stage we are in tech, you are just deceiving yourselves. Make me...believe one 90-year-old recitation. A brain that has been damaged. How possible can an 80-year-old man recite accurately? Una no serious at all.

FRANCISTOWN:

Babanifa (Baba Onifa) is the same as Babalawo in the IFA religion. But they are scarcely called Babanifa. The most popular term is Babalawo .



Babalawo means. Someone who has been thru the ceremony of an initiation into IFA religion, who has learnt and studied the IFA religion. And he practices it and most importantly makes consultations for people)

Babalawo: A Father in the cult of initiates. (They believe once you are initiated, you are no longer a boy but a father, the apprentices are called ọmọ ifá or omo awo or kekere awo)

Though Babalawo and Babanifa can be used interchangeably. But Babanifa is mostly used for the Babalawos that don't make consultations for people, though they worship IFA but they don't make consultations and they often visit babalawos for their consultations.

Kékeré awo is the opposite of àgbà awo but as for Babaláwo those ones are politicians who studied ifá purposely to play the part of Bàbá Onífá in the midst of politicians but when they don't know the way forward they will run to the real Oracle consultant (Bàbá Onífá) and if what Ifá says is contrary to the wish of the council of chiefs it's the duty of Babaláwo to find another way out even though such an option may later bring disaster as long as it will not come in their own time they will go for such options.

Both of them could have meant the same but there is a difference:

Baba ònífá is a consultant through whom people consult Ọ̀rúnmìlà while Babaláwo is a member of the political parties involved in the politics and affairs of the Kingdom.
So while Bàbá Onífá can migrate to another place as a consultant of Ọ̀rúnmìlà Babaláwo can't leave the kingdom where he has become a member of the council of chiefs!