So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon David. Samuel then went to Ramah. 1 Samuel 16:13

AntiChristian:


We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

otipoju:


God never tells us to relinquish our will if not we will just become zombies or robots with no mind of ours.

After the Holy Spirit came on David, did he stop eating, sleeping or bathing?

AntiChristian:


No! He didn't!

where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

Mvnster:

So because he has the Holy Spirit, he cant be tempted or make any mistakes?

AntiChristian:


No! He didn't!

where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz:


He doesn't understand the work of the Holy Spirit and His operations in believers, so he's creating wrong topics that hold no water.

Their lying Quran portrayed prophets to them as people incapable of sinning.

Mvnster:

Their allah is not called the best of deceivers for nothing. Its same spirit which decieved adam and eve to eat of the forbiden fruit.

AntiChristian:


We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

TenQ:

My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.


Shame



Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

AGAIN :

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”
3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

FxMasterz:


He will never answer the questions.

He'll rather create another meaningless topic.

AntiChristian:


We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

FxMasterz:


How many times should we tell you that the Holy Spirit is a Guide, He doesn't force anybody. His work is to enable you do God's will if you decide to do God's will. If you decide to do your own will, He'll warn you and let you have your way. But if you make a decision to do the will of God, then, He'll give you the power to do the will of God.

Many people love to do their own wills. But there are a few regenerated souls who love to do God's will. However, it's one thing to be willing, it's another thing to be able. The Holy Spirit adds ability to your willingness.

A person having the Holy Spirit can receive power to overcome the temptation to sin if he actually does not want to sin. Yeah, the Holy Spirit will strengthen our weaknesses.

But if you decide to sin, the Holy Spirit would warn you and leave you to do whatever you please. That's why the Bible says:

"As many as are led (guided) by the Spirit of God, they're the sons of God." Romans 8:14.

"Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves." James 1:22.

He guides into all Truth He doesn't force into all Truth. When you choose to be a doer of the word, He'll empower you to do the word. If you choose to be just a hearer and not a doer, He'll warn you and watch you as you reject His warning.

TenQ:

My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.

Shame

Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

otipoju:


Use your head. What exactly is your question?

Mvnster:

So because he has the Holy Spirit, he cant be tempted or make any mistakes?

AntiChristian:
So the Holy Spirit is our conscience? Our conscience has no power to control us but let us know the good from the bad! Samson had the Spirit which empowered him to kill. The spirit gave him power! It didn't guide! The Spirit left David on his own to fall into committing murder and fornication!


You are singing the same song all the time. Samson was led to kill by the spirit. David was never directed appropriately by the same Spirit.

Where did the Spirit actually guided Samson and David?

The Spirit led David to kill Goliath, is that still not killing?

Only the spirit in the NT is perfect! Everything in OT including God and spirit is not perfect!

FxMasterz:


The Holy Spirit is not our conscience. He's our Guide. He guides and instructs us, and also empowers us to walk in obedience. He teaches us what is right and gives us power to do what is right. The Holy Spirit would guide you to do the will of God. The will of God is not just righteousness alone. It could even be your choice of profession. He could guide you into the profession that God wants for you. He can guide you to choose the spouse who is God's will for you. He can guide you to know whether you should travel abroad or remain in Nigeria. He guides and empowers us to do the will of God.

Our conscience on the other hand is our moral police. It makes us feel guilty of some general sins when we commit them. However some people's conscience are dead. They do not even feel guilty when they commit murder. The Holy Spirit can resurrect dead consciences and empower the most despicable sinner to turn a new leaf and live a life of righteousness. However, the sinner must yield to His guidance. He'll then empower the yielding sinner to do the righteousness he could not do naturally.

He trains us into righteousness by patiently guiding us, instructing us and empowering us. Even when we fail, He convicts us and brings us back to the path, and keeps guiding us until we are transformed and become what God wants us to be.

AntiChristian:


OK, Let me use my head!

Holy Spirit descended on Samson and he killed Lion and thirty people?

Does the Holy spirit empower people to kill?

Holy spirit entered David powerfully yet he still committed murder and fornication!
David had many wives too!

Of what use is the holy spirit in David?

AntiChristian:


I see all these as lies! Just as when Samson wanted to kill lion Holy Spirit entered him. Just as when Samson needed to kill thirty people to steal their garments the holy Spirit empowered him.

Even the Holy Spirit in David did not caution/guide him to avoid killing and fornication!

AntiChristian:


So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

TenQ:

My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.


Shame



Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

AGAIN :

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”
3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

Dtruthspeaker:


If you were not a mad Muslim you would have known that The Holy Spirit leaves before you sin as it did Samson and king Saul.

FxMasterz:


It's your cup of tea.

If that's what you see, then spiritual blindness has happened to you.

What Samson had was a gift of might. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit comes upon him each time he wanted to act. That's absurd.

I have a teaching gift. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit would come upon me each time I want to teach. That's absurd.

Once the Holy Spirit gives you a special enablement, you'll flow naturally with ease in that capacity. While others may struggle to achieve the same feat, a gifted individual would do it with such ease, and it would be completely natural.

Once you are faced with what you're gifted for by the Holy Spirit, the gift would be stirred up in you to deliver. You'll flow naturally but deliver supernatural results.

Natural giftedness is different from Spiritual giftedness. You can't compete with someone who is supernaturally enabled.

The Holy Spirit guides and cautions us. However, people can ignore Him and disobey. The disobedient would face the consequence. The Holy Spirit doesn't turn men to zombies. Is that clear? There are no zombies in God's Kingdom. We have the liberty to choose our actions. We can accept or reject guidance but there'll be results and consequences afterwards.

If you choose blindness, you'll have it enough. You can keep interpreting the scriptures blindly in spite of the corrections you've received. It's your own cup of tea.

You can keep saying everything I said are lies. Tagging them as lies does not change the reality and the truth of the explanations. The life we live as Christians who are filled with the Holy Spirit is what I've described in my previous post. If Islam doesn't come close to that, it's spiritual blindness and crass ignorance for you to tag them as lies. If you're wise, you would have embarked on an investigation and exploration to verify these things. Rather than wallow in your ignorance and deep rooted deceit delivered to you in Islam.

If you become open minded and prayerfully investigate these things using the right channels, you'll be stunned at what you'll discover. You'll end up meeting Jesus, and your life wouldn't remain the same afterwards. Forget Christianity as a religion. That's not what we're talking about here. Most Muslims only see religious Christians and use that to judge what Christianity is all about. Christianity is not religion. Even most Christians are just deceiving themselves. A definite encounter with Jesus is all you need.

There are many former Muslims here on this platform. One of them goes by the moniker Speaklove. He can relate. I just pity you for your ignorance and the stubborn opposition you put up against the Almighty God to the detriment of your own soul.

otipoju:


Years back I would have wasted my time and started explaining to you. As I have grown older, I realise I have nothing to prove to a person who has made up his mind already for whatever reason.

So I'll leave you to you. Any discussion with you no go yield anything meaningful for me. So i wish you the best in your search for meaning.

No be fight I come fight for this life.

That search must begin with an open mind unless you will become cynical and bitter after many years.

Shalom.

AntiChristian:


We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

Expanse2020:

David actually do that in the bible
Na so lot sleep with her two daughters, these are filthy things for someone to put on head OOO chaiii

AntiChristian:


[b]Stop trying to deceive me with lies. In the Bible, the Holy spirit descended on Samson when he wanted to kill the Lion! It descended on him again when he wanted to steal clothes and garment from 30 people that did him no harm![/b]wee

AntiChristian:
■ We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".
But in 2 Samuel David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted! He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!
■ So where was the holy Spirit in David? What was the holy Spirit doing in David?
■ It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

AntiChristian:
■ So the Holy Spirit is our conscience? Our conscience has no power to control us but let us know the good from the bad! Samson had the Spirit which empowered him to kill. The spirit gave him power! It didn't guide!
■The Spirit left David on his own to fall into committing murder and fornication! You are singing the same song all the time. Samson was led to kill by the spirit. David was never directed appropriately by the same Spirit. Where did the Spirit actually guided Samson and David?
The Spirit led David to kill Goliath, is that still not killing?
■Only the spirit in the NT is perfect! Everything in OT including God and spirit is not perfect!

Ken4Christ:


Man is a free moral agents and he is subject to temptations. And God has made provisions for our shortcomings.

As far as we are living in this sinful flesh, we will still make errors from time to time.

So, you didn't say anything.

Kobojunkie:
1. The Holy Spirit is not a conscience, but He is a counselor, a guide/Shepherd, a teacher, etc.

2. David killed an enemy of Israel. If you read through the Law of Moses, you will find that the Law permits the people of Israel to kill those considered enemies of Israel, and in self-defense, but the same Law does not allow individuals to commit murder.

3. The Holy Spirit of both the Old and of the New Covenants are both marks of perfection. The Holy Spirit of each of the Laws is bestowed by God on those who are certified to comply with His Law— Holy aka perfect.