I read a book from Evang. Kenneth Hagin, where he said that his wife was supposed to be operated for 'goiter' disease.

So he decided to pray and jesus appeared to him saying that accordng to divine plan, his wife was supposd to die when operated for the disease, but because he prayed she would live.

I studied the Bible further. In 2kings20:1-7, hezekiah prayed and GOD added 15yrs to him even after initially giving him a dead sentence.

Even Jesus when overcome with sorrow at some point asked if God could change his will.(matt26:34)

In Gen18:26-32, Abraham negotiated with God to spare sodom and gomorah, assuming there were 50 good people in it. And God consented.

In Jonah3:10, God changed his mind from destroying Neniveh when they repented.

God also wanted to destroy Isreal and start another race through moses, but moses pleaded and the bible says God changed his mind. (Exo32:14)

These are few Scriptures that imply its possible to change God's plan through prayers.

What's do you think?

A Omniscience god can't make NEW decisions.

Jackanda1:
■ I read a book from Evang. Kenneth Hagin, where he said that his wife was supposed to be operated for 'goiter' disease. So he decided to pray and jesus appeared to him saying that accordng to divine plan, his wife was supposed to die when operated for the disease, but because he prayed she would live.I studied the Bible further. In 2kings20:1-7, hezekiah prayed and GOD added 15yrs to him even after initially giving him a dead sentence. Even Jesus when overcome with sorry at some point asked if God could change his will.(matt26:34)
■ In Gen18:26-32, Abraham negotiated with God about sparing sodom and gomorah, assuming there were 50 righteous people in it. And God consented. In Jonah3:10, God changed his mind from destroying Neniveh when they repented. God also wanted to destroy Isreal and start another race through moses, but moses pleaded and the bible says God changed his mind. (Exo32:14) These are few Scriptures that imply its possible to change God's plan through prayers. What's do you think?

God's one and only "divine" Law to men at this time is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ never said there are those who could not be healed. Your Kenneth Hagin is nothing but a storyteller. The fact that He suggests that Jesus Christ appeared to Him, this after God of Israel made clear that He put a seal on Prophets and visions over 1900 years ago is clear proof your man is a con man.

2. God never changes His mind regarding His Law/Covenant. That is what it means when in Scripture it is stated that God never changes His mind nor lies. God can choose to give suffering to a man and then take that suffering away from him much later, as in the case of the man called Job. That is not God changing His mind or God telling a lie. Rather is it the working of God according to His Law. Everything God does aligns with His Law — He is holy and faithful to His Covenant and Law.

Kobojunkie:

2. God never changes His mind regarding His Law/Covenant. That is what it means when in Scripture it is stated that God never changes His mind nor lies. God can choose to give suffering to a man and then take that suffering away from him much later, as in the case of the man called Job. That is not God changing His mind or God telling a lie. Rather is it the working of God according to His Law. Everything God does aligns with His Law — He is holy and faithful to His Covenant and Law.

how come Yahweh regretted making Saul a king and later changed his mind to appoint David?

Also the job story is an allegory, it's not historical.

Jackanda1:
I read a book from Evang. Kenneth Hagin, where he said that his wife was supposed to be operated for 'goiter' disease.

So he decided to pray and jesus appeared to him saying that accordng to divine plan, his wife was supposed to die when operated for the disease, but because he prayed she would live.

I studied the Bible further. In 2kings20:1-7, hezekiah prayed and GOD added 15yrs to him even after initially giving him a dead sentence.

Even Jesus when overcome with sorry at some point asked if God could change his will.(matt26:34)

In Gen18:26-32, Abraham negotiated with God about sparing sodom and gomorah, assuming there were 50 righteous people in it. And God consented.

In Jonah3:10, God changed his mind from destroying Neniveh when they repented.

God also wanted to destroy Isreal and start another race through moses, but moses pleaded and the bible says God changed his mind. (Exo32:14)

These are few Scriptures that imply its possible to change God's plan through prayers.

What's do you think?

The word God in the Bible is primarily the word Elohim meaning Judge and I believe you know that prayer is a legal term that has to do with soliciting and requesting a Lord to provide mercy. So that means prayers can change God's mind or plan about something
That is why a particular verse encourage us to bring our strong reasons

Ynix:
■ ...and I believe you know that prayer is a legal term that has to do with soliciting and requesting a Lord to provide mercy. So that means prayers can change God's mind or plan about something. That is why a particular verse encourage us to bring our strong reasons

According to Scripture, God answers ALL — not some— of the prayers of the righteous; He does not answer any of the prayers of the unrighteous. And Scripture also declares that God always answers the prayers of the Righteous in the affirmative. But here you are implying that Scripture is wrong about God as you insist that your prayers can cause God of Israel to change His mind regarding that which He declared in His Everlasting Law, is that so?

Kobojunkie:
According to Scripture, God answers ALL — not some— of the prayers of the righteous; He does not answer any of the prayers of the unrighteous. And Scripture also declares that God always answers the prayers of the Righteous in the affirmative. But here you are implying that Scripture is wrong about God as you insist that your prayers can cause God of Israel to change His mind regarding that which He declared in His Everlasting Law, is that so?

Your god needs to listen to Jesus.


Luke 6:32-36
“But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.

Kobojunkie:
The fact that He suggests that Jesus Christ appeared to Him, this after God of Israel made clear that He put a seal on Prophets and visions over 1900 years ago is clear proof your man is a con man.

Please what Bible portion says God puts a seal on prophets and visions?

Maynthemayn:
A Omniscience god can't make NEW decisions.

You completely ignored the scriptures i quoted.

Jackanda1:
You completely ignored the scriptures i quoted.

I'm not talking about the god in your scriptures.

Ynix:


That is why a particular verse encourage us to bring our strong reasons

i would love to know this Bible portion.

Maynthemayn:

I'm not talking about the god in your scriptures.

Which God are you talking about?

Jackanda1:
Please what Bible portion says God puts a seal on prophets and visions?

Daniel 9 vs 24 Visions and Prophets were specifically a part of God's Old Law of Moses - Numbers 12 vs 1 - 6. And God of Israel made it clear that at the time of the final destruction of Jerusalem in the land of Judea, approximately 500 years after the rebuilding of Jerusalem had begun, He would bring to an end the period of prophets and associated visions and prophecies.

Jesus Christ never promised His followers visions and prophecies in the Covenant which He gave to them. Rather, what Jesus Christ gave His followers is a Helper to guide, and reveal His Truth, etc.

Changing of mind is different from changing of law.. Don't miss interprete both. Again God is not animal that have mind.. nor human that have reason.. God is inexplaineable.. only his law tries to define him..

Jackanda1:
Which God are you talking about?

Any god that is omniscience.

Kobojunkie:
Daniel 9 vs 24 Visions and Prophets were specifically a part of God's Old Law of Moses - Numbers 12 vs 1 - 6. And God of Israel made it clear that at the time of the final destruction of Jerusalem in the land of Judea, approximately 500 years after the rebuilding of Jerusalem had begun, He would bring to an end the period of prophets and associated visions and prophecies.

Jesus Christ never promised His followers visions and prophecies in the Covenant which He gave to them. Rather, what Jesus Christ gave His followers is a Helper to guide, and reveal His Truth, etc.

Do you read your Bible at all.

Act2:27 In the last days i would Pour out my spirit on all flesh, your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions and your old men shall dream dreams.

Haven't you seen this scripture before?

Yes and No!

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes and No!

You mean sometimes he changes his mind and sometimes he doesn't?

Jackanda1:
Do you read your Bible at all. Act2:27 In the last days i would Pour out my spirit on all flesh, your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions and your old men shall dream dreams. Haven't you seen this scripture before?

Here's a simple question for you to ponder. How does God's decision to make prophets of all sons and daughters in the land of Judah during the last days — they were unholy sinners in the land at the time— change the fact that the same God of Israel proclaimed that He would put a seal on prophets and visions at the end of the last days in the land of Judah?

God detests the closeminded.

Jackanda1:
You mean sometimes he changes his mind and sometimes he doesn't?

Yep. Eg when He Said nations would inslave Isreal and after that, He changed His mind.

Compared to when He said David's child shlall die!

Jackanda1:
i would love to know this Bible portion.

Isaiah 42:21
Present your case,” says the LORD. “Submit your arguments,” says the King of Jacob ~ Berean Standard Version

Ynix:
Isaiah 42:21 present your case,” says the LORD. “Submit your arguments,” says the King of Jacob ~ Berean Standard Version

Religionists and their pick-and-chose theologies!!
What aspect of the passage below which is Isaiah 42 when taken in context says any of what you have alluded to on this thread?

18 “Deaf people, listen to me! Blind people, look and see!
19 In all the world, no one is more blind than my servant. No one is more deaf than my messenger. No one is more blind than my chosen people, the servant of the Lord.
20 My people see what they should do, but they do not obey me. They can hear with their ears, but they refuse to listen to me.”
21 The Lord wants them to do what is right. He wants them to honor his wonderful teachings.
22 But look at his people. Others have defeated them and have stolen from them. The young men are afraid. They are locked in prisons. People have taken advantage of them, and there is no one to protect them. Others take their money, and there is no one to say, “Give it back!”
23 Will any of you pay attention to this warning? Will you ever learn to listen?
24 Who let Jacob be defeated? Who let others take what belonged to Israel? The Lord allowed them to do this. We sinned against him, so he let people take away our wealth. The people did not want to live the way he wanted. They refused to listen to his teaching.
25 So he poured out his anger on them and brought wars against them. It was as if there were fires all around them, but they didn’t know what was happening. It was as if they were burning, but they didn’t try to understand. - Isaiah 42 vs 18 - 25

The above is God of Israel scolding the people of Israel who would not listen to Him nor do as He had commanded of them, all before He then used the Assyrian army to destroy the nation of Israel during the period around 720BC.

Kobojunkie:
Religionists and their pick-and-chose theologies!!
What aspect of the passage below which is Isaiah 42 when taken in context says any of what you have alluded to on this thread?
The above is God of Israel scolding the people of Israel who would not listen to Him nor do as He had commanded of them, all before He then used the Assyrian army to destroy the nation of Israel during the period around 720BC.

Religionists and their pick-and-chose theologies!!.

So why not read the next chapters?

Dtruthspeaker:


Yep. Eg when He Said nations would inslave Isreal and after that, He changed His mind.

Compared to when He said David's child shlall die!

I would love to see the Scripture for that first one.

Kobojunkie:
Religionists and their pick-and-chose theologies!!
What aspect of the passage below which is Isaiah 42 when taken in context says any of what you have alluded to on this thread?
The above is God of Israel scolding the people of Israel who would not listen to Him nor do as He had commanded of them, all before He then used the Assyrian army to destroy the nation of Israel during the period around 720BC.

Negative critic and ITK, does that negate the fact that I said God means Judge, did I in any way that they were being scolded. It's unfortunate you are showing your emptiness

Jackanda1:
I would love to see the Scripture for that first one.

Deuteronomy 28 see 63 upwards (expulsion, slavery and captivity. jeremiah 30:10 and other scripture, is the revocation of that Curse.

God doesn't plan rather he purposes this means if you know His purpose and you make yourself available to support His purpose He will change some things for your sake!

Ynix:
■ Negative critic and ITK, does that negate the fact that I said God means Judge, did I in any way that they were being scolded. It's unfortunate you are showing your emptiness

God means Judge? Are you for real? So if a mother said those words of her sons you would equally come up with the conclusion that mother means Judge?

Una reasoning dey tire person abeg!

Kobojunkie:
God means Judge? Are you for real? So if a mother said those words of her sons you would equally come up with the conclusion that mother means Judge?

Una reasoning dey tire person abeg!

Your analogy doesn't fall in at all. Go and study and come back stop using common sense. let me give you hints, check out for Hebrew Translation for Elohim and stop disgracing yourself

Ynix:
■ Your analogy doesn't fall in at all. Go and study and come back stop using common sense. let me give you hints, check out for Hebrew Translation for Elohim and stop disgracing yourself

God scolded His chosen people in the passage you quoted, and from that you concluded God means judge. So why does the same idea not work when a mother scolds her beloved children? The analogy was made by your person and not me. That it fails when applied in another case means your conclusion made no sense from the beginning.