Jonathan: Nigeria Needs Foreign Military Boots On Ground!?


Recently, news broke-out that the US Military is on its way to Nigeria (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-801464.0.html) - they have been here for a long time really! I know most of you don't know how many CIA operatives are in Nigeria combing for intelligence every day and night! The US military has its nuclear submarines all stationed at along the coast of Nigeria for a long time - but I bet you don't even know that or you all think those things are all sharks and whales!?

In any case, I would like to ask the articulate Nairalander: Would Nigeria under a strong leader who knows his onions require the US military to deal decisively with terrorism in Nigeria? The elite commandos and heavy military hardware heading to Nigeria as we speak is the easier task because to get them to leave will be extremely difficult - except everyone who voted for Fresh Air turns into a walking bomb or expert IED manufacturer. Let your opinion and voice be heard loud and clear by the US and Nigerian governments now!

CyberG:

Recently, news broke-out that the US Military is on its way to Nigeria (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-801464.0.html) - they have been here for a long time really! I know most of you don't know how many CIA operatives are in Nigeria combing for intelligence every day and night! The US military has its nuclear submarines all stationed at along the coast of Nigeria for a long time - but I bet you don't even know that or you all think those things are all sharks and whales!?

In any case, Iwould like to ask the articulate Nairalander: Would Nigeria under a strong leader who knows his onions require the US military to deal decisively with terrorism in Nigeria? The elite commandos and heavy military hardware heading to Nigeria as we speak is the easier task because to get them to leave will be extremely difficult - except everyone who voted for Fresh Air turns into a walking bomb or expert IED manufacturer. Let your opinion and voice be heard loud and clear by the US and Nigerian governments now!

No is the simple answer. I always bore my Nigerian friends to death telling them that other African nation making progress are not doing so because of a Rocket science approach. They are simply letting the right calibre of men and women, with a proven history of performance/innovation and distinction, administer their nations .

In Nigeria, we remain happy for fraudstars like OBJ, Anenih and their PDP evil to deliver a second zero (after Yar Adua) to us with cheap "boy with no shoes" deception. Yesterday it was "Umoru are you dead"? Nigeria is simply sick. Who would start a business and gamble with mediocrity when hiring?

Why do the top company and nations worldwide remain on top if not for the simple consideration that their system automatically only let the most talented ascend into positions of absolute influence? It is an embarrassment that , in 2011, we are still doing things differently to everyone else including our African neighbours. GEJ is simply not worth talking about. Totally out of his league as the owner of the sort of mediocre and "underwhelming" history that means he should not be leading a local government let alone a nation as complicated as Nigeria.

CyberG:

In any case, Iwould like to ask the articulate Nairalander: Would Nigeria under a strong leader who knows his onions require the US military to deal decisively with terrorism in Nigeria? The elite commandos and heavy military hardware heading to Nigeria as we speak is the easier task because to get them to leave will be extremely difficult - except everyone who voted for Fresh Air turns into a walking bomb or expert IED manufacturer. Let your opinion and voice be heard loud and clear by the US and Nigerian governments now!

@Poster, I think it is faulty thinking to assume that Strong leaders never require external help of any kind. That mindset is not based on reality at all. A Strong leader is one who knows to admit he is weak, and asks for help from those who can help. That is actually a known quality of a good leader.

The Nigerian army has gone out to various countries on various missions, from humanitarian to security, not necessarily because the leaders in those countries were weaklings, but mainly because they saw Nigeria had something they didn't at that time. Why is it any different in this case? We do not have a strong enough force to tackle these terrorists. We know this -- it is more than obvious. 1000's of lives have been lost over the years due to our incompetence in this area.

Why some believe inviting an external force, the US in the case, to aid us in putting down this scourge, will turn out to be the greater evil, is beyond me. Honestly, I think it has more to do with personal bias/hate and ignorance, than anything tangible.

We live in a Global society. Countries can no longer live in isolation, well, unless you are North Korea. There is bound to be mingling and we are definitely going to see more of that in the near future. Either we start now GROWING A BACKBONE and actually developing our negotiations skills, not by running away from those we have decided to label Giants, but by standing firm and demanding what we need, when we need it and ensuring we get exactly that which we want and nothing more.

Its complicated.On one hand such a move could help our current security situation improve and on the other it could make it worse.Like you rightly also stated They would come under our request but would only leave if they feel like it and it would not be up to us.
The involvement of super powers could help us tackle terrorism or escalate it.Because in any case US deploy troops then we can be sure the new al qaida battle zone has moved from Afghanistan to Nigeria (God forbid sha!!).
I still feel we have not explored our full potential to curb this menace completely.The FGN should conclude the National identification system,The border patrol units should be strengthen.The SSS,FCID and NIA should start random and intense profiling of all Nigerians/foreigners.Especially within the age peer, prone to such militant activity.The deployment of CCTV in all states, nation wide should be put in top gear.Not just Abuja only.Police formation and MOPOL need orientation and also change of strategy in response and detection.The FGN can implement this and cut the violence by more than half or atleast deterring others by making it difficult to carry out such attacks.
I also believe that the long term should be an over haul educational system.Not just compulsory education but an educational path that ensures students a groomed to have serious respect for Nigeria and Nigerians above all.From the Nursery to what ever level.Because we lack quality teachers- lacking both educational standard and patriotism to the National government.Some teachers tell pupils negative things about other Nigerians and openly discuss national issues negatively in front of pupils.
We also need to manage the instigation by people and groups through utterances.About the youths,alot needs to be done.so they get Jobs and become productive to the nation.Some of this are long terms and others are definitely short term.4 Months is enough to  have a significant change of all this.I know definitely employment and education is long term.Training ,over hauling of security ,public surveillance and border patrol are all do-able in 4 months. if political will and the finances to the right people are contracted immediately.
What will the US do that we can't do if we have the political will.Its not like they would have better military numbers,its not like there technology would always cover everything.We can do this.Lets just know the critical areas and strengthen them.forget politics.People are dying.Us can help us with trainning and the gear needed for counter-terrorism if they want to help.

haka_nai:

Its complicated.On one hand such a move could help our current security situation improve and on the other it could make it worse.Like you rightly also stated They would come under our request but would only leave if they feel like it and it would not be up to us.

haka_nai:
.Because in any case US deploy troops then we can be sure the new al qaida battle zone has moved from Afghanistan to Nigeria (God forbid sha!!).

Are you sure of the statement in red?

Kobojunkie:

Are you sure of the statement in red?

For the first quote if they come you should know they would foot some bills to get troops in Nigeria and since they know the country has oil the option would be for them to get stronger grounds in the oil sector and probably if they have international interest use Nigeria to that effect.In both cases they would always prefer to have them for ever.So the likely reason they would not choose after gaining influence or hold to simply give it back easily.
They occupy so many other countries like that and after decades are still there even after the countries have completely moved on.Japan,Korea,Germany,kuwait etc They have strategic goals and they always try to meet such.Even before now they have always asked for some kind of military presence in Nigeria.Simulated scenarios of Nigeria.The 2015 prediction and lot more.The have also asked for naval presence inn the gulf of guinea to tackle the MEND attacks.They also requested a land base to tackle people like Ghaddafi in the past.So there is no doubt they want something or someone in Nigeria

Second qoute,definately it is known fact that US moves to counter groups like al-qaida sometimes and in other cases al-qaida moves to disrupt the influence of the west especially USA.The good thing for US is so long as they keep chasing them on foreign soil and fighting them there too regardless of who suffers it the most,USA would sleep peace and quiet.summary they maybe chasing al-qaida away from Nigeria or al-qaida fighting US influence in Nigeria.Both ways it ain't good for Nigerians.

@Haka nai.

We should simply learn, at every stage, to put square blocks in square holes in always going for those with highest integrity and ability. What gave birth to ND kidnapping if not the arming of unemployed youths by wicked souls like Odili for political machinations? Boko Haram nko?

It is disingenous to be talking about foreign help when the problem we seek help for was deliberately created by selfish motivations/agitations that remain permanent. Will those who feel they were "treacherously" betrayed by GEJ, OBJ and Anenih go away once American firepower is deployed ? Why can we never learn from history in Nigeria? What has the USA achieved in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are those places more democratic or safer after US intervention?

Some problems remain to do with ideology and percieved injustice - a core concept 'Rambo-minded' USA will never understand . Shell/bomb a people to death if you want. They will only remain more determined to resist you if they feel you don't understand what they want. Where we keep getting it wrong  is our romance with very selfish men who only want to control our resources for their camp. They make their self-serving and hard-hearted choices and expect all of us to contribute to their selfish struggle with our lives !!!

We should not be in doubt that this struggle is to do with the need for two splintered camps of the PDP to control Nigeria's resources !!! Both camps are vicious and murderous !!! Non is on the side of Nigerians or making personal sacrifice in favour of what is best for our nation. Folks interested in doing what is best for Nigeria will understand the concept of sacrifice and humility. At no stage did those who wanted to control our resources , for their private cabal, show any interest in sacrifice or humility. They all, collectively , as very selfish and "do or die" men who should not ordinarily be near nation-building, chose to go to 'war'. Sadly many of us are now being forced to take sides without understanding that the best solution is not violence or going forward with this 'democracy' built, by crooks,  on deception .

This is why I said I envy Libya recently. I would love to be in their shoes with a National transitional council (NTC) consisting of men like Achebe , Soyinka , Falana, Col.Umar and others with undoubted integrity charting a way forward for our Nation with those into crude greed (OBJ, Anenih, GEJ, Atiku, Ciroma, IBB et al) totally frozen out. Alas , that is mere fantasy until Nigerians, mentally , arrive at the right 'bus stop'.

Haka nai has done a fantastic job on this, now who is that leader that can do all of this?

Good debate guys! I agree with a lot of positions taken by you guys but like Gbawe emphasized, Jonathan is and was NEVER the right person to lead Nigeria! For people who have attended top schools out of Nigeria, interviewed or even worked in top companies, you know how hard it is! Now imagine if anyone with the performance and record like Jonathan would even make screening or interview stage?

Am in absolute support of foriegn help in whatever aspect of life. The bottom line is specifying the areas which the help will come in. I know that our forces are capable of handling this security threats when given the necessary hardware.

So are they coming to train us on the usage of newer technology/strategy in combating terrorism? Or are they coming to take over control from our forces? These should the important questions on the lips of any concern citizen.

It will be vary bad to allow the US forces undermine the sovereignty of Nigeria by attacking one section of the country. This action will surely lead to massive catastrophy, by starting an uneding or perpectual chain reactions in form of reprisal. Come to think of the stray aerial attacks and killing of innocent citizen? Do you think the north will allow the US to be killing theirs under whatever pretext without coming after us, Knowing fully well that the US forces was invited by GEJ, a southern christain?

I tell you, those northern guys are living for nothing and hence they can die for nothing. The first bomb the US will drop in the north will cement the "artificial line" existing between north central and core north.

I have fought and survive 2 wars myself, and i know what most Nigerians dont know.

What i expect the US to do is push for the peaceful division of this country but, i doubt if thats what they want. I choose peace over righteousness.

hercules07:

Haka nai has done a fantastic job on this, now who is that leader that can do all of this?

It wont be one leader. It will be many. Where we begin is to select a President , even with intrinsic flaws, who we can all see has conviction, bravery and patriotic love of Nigeria in their history and DNA. This President will then go on to assemble a genuinely tranformational team of men and women rather than what we have currently where our recent Presidents, first and foremost, choose teams who will help keep it "business as usual".

I do not want US troops in Nigeria, I want them to help train the Nigerian military, I do not want them to take on the insurgents. Which one do we try to get right first, good leaders at the local level or those at the federal level. I think there is a need to also have very good leaders in our LGs and States, the state that can elect good leaders at every level will not necessarily need the FG.

Gbawe:

@Haka nai.

We should simply learn, at every stage, to put square blocks in square holes in always going for those with highest integrity and ability. What gave birth to ND kidnapping if not the arming of unemployed youths by wicked souls like Odili for political machinations? Boko Haram nko?

It is disingenous to be talking about foreign help when the problem we seek help for was deliberately created by selfish motivations/agitations that remain permanent. Will those who feel they were "treacherously" betrayed by GEJ, OBJ and Anenih go away once American firepower is deployed ? Why can we never learn from history in Nigeria? What has the USA achieved in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are those places more democratic or safer after US intervention?

Some problems remain to do with ideology and percieved injustice - a core concept 'Rambo-minded' USA will never understand . Shell/bomb a people to death if you want. They will only remain more determined to resist you if they feel you don't understand what they want. Where we keep getting it wrong  is our romance with very selfish men who only want to control our resources for their camp. They make their self-serving and hard-hearted choices and expect all of us to contribute to their selfish struggle with our lives !!!

We should not be in doubt that this struggle is to do with the need for two splintered camps of the PDP to control Nigeria's resources !!! Both camps are vicious and murderous !!! Non is on the side of Nigerians or making personal sacrifice in favour of what is best for our nation. Folks interested in doing what is best for Nigeria will understand the concept of sacrifice and humility. At no stage did those who wanted to control our resources , for their private cabal, show any interest in sacrifice or humility. They all, collectively , as very selfish and "do or die" men who should not ordinarily be near nation-building, chose to go to 'war'. Sadly many of us are now being forced to take sides without understanding that the best solution is not violence or going forward with this 'democracy' built, by crooks,  on deception .

This is why I said I envy Libya recently. I would love to be in their shoes with a National transitional council (NTC) consisting of men like Achebe , Soyinka , Falana, Col.Umar and others with undoubted integrity charting a way forward for our Nation with those into crude greed (OBJ, Anenih, GEJ, Atiku, Ciroma, IBB et al) totally frozen out. Alas , that is mere fantasy until Nigerians, mentally , arrive at the right 'bus stop'.

I totally agree with the points you made.They are primary to the suggestions most are making and can not be over looked.We have lost confidence in the ability of the Government and the people to come together and effect change.That is why Nigerians have made do with prayers,foreign intervention or taking the laws into there hands.So how do we go about it.We hardly can make the politicians listen or work in tune with reality.The gap between the populace and government is vast!!!!!
If your point is whether we can do it at home? i say yes.If GEJ can do it? i say yes and if PDP can do? it i also say yes.They biggest problem is how and will they?NO!!!!! We always forget one question,Is the Average Nigerian patriotic to the country?NO !! We are so divide that anything evil from the enemies of Nigerians will survive in our midst.
I am not defending GEJ here and he has his faults but do Nigerians truly want to build and be the real protectors of the country?A typical example of patriotism is Israel and i also believe the best ever.Anyone or anything that would disturb or hinder a nation should be termed an enemy.Removed or replaced.Israel will fight anyone within and outside Israel to keep her goals and interest towards development.An Israelite born far away grows to work in the interest of his country regardless of his citizenship status in any country.GEJ na person,security personnel na persons,PDP na persons and Nigerians  na persons.We either support each other or remove anyone that would hinder our progress.How much have you or i given to GEJ to suggest his weakness or clueless style?Don't tell me votes!! society makes a person also.
We need to be united under one cause and if leadership fails then we could ask for removal.The truth is GEJ is getting non of that till now.Even his people intimidate him till date.So what is it?

haka_nai:

   For the first quote if they come you should know they would foot some bills to get troops in Nigeria and since they know the country has oil the option would be for them to get stronger grounds in the oil sector and probably if they have international interest use Nigeria to that effect.In both cases they would always prefer to have them for ever.So the likely reason they would not choose after gaining influence or hold to simply give it back easily.

They will foot the bill? Are you insinuating that when we send out troops out, we do it for FREE? I do hope you know that we get paid for the missions, right?? It is rarely volunteer

As the poster already mentioned, US, and many other countries have had their teams in Nigeria for a while now.

You suggest oil, and to that I say again, much of our oil DOES NOT belong to us. Majority shareholders in the western/asian countries that drill and refine our oils are not even Africans, let alone Nigerians. The US didn't need to come into Nigeria for that to happen. So, How can the US get stronger grounds in the Oil sector, when it could not do that in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or any of the other Oil countries it has dealt with before now? Oil is sold at the same price to America as it is to Lesotho, so what is with this "they are here to steal our oil" mania?

haka_nai:

  They occupy so many other countries like that and after decades are still there even after the countries have completely moved on.Japan,Korea,Germany,kuwait etc They have strategic goals and they always try to meet such.Even before now they have always asked for some kind of military presence in Nigeria.Simulated scenarios of Nigeria.The 2015 prediction and lot more.The have also asked for naval presence inn the gulf of guinea to tackle the MEND attacks.They also requested a land base to tackle people like Ghaddafi in the past.So there is no doubt they want something or someone in  Nigeria

Please help us define OCCUPY. The countries you listed above --- all have deals with the US that allows the US remain in those countries. Germany has NOT evicted the US and the US refused to leave. Same case in Kuwait, Korea, Japan. So, you will need to explain what you mean when you claim that the country OCCUPIES other countries? Recently the issue between Korea and it's neighbour escalated and I believe the US army was called in by the Korean Government to help ensure the security of the nation. Is that the country feeling Occuped?

It was recently announced that Japan, and some of the surrounding countries, around China feel increasingly threatened, and yes, again, the US forces in the area were suggested to be there to help ensure the situation does not escalate -- I believe one of the island officers in an island nation stated that the country needed the US troops in the area to come to aid it in ensuring that none of it's islands is lost to China. Is that the sort of statement you expect from an occupied state?

On asking for millitary presence in Nigeria, I don';t think that is entirely accurate. I believe that was in relationship to the situating of AFRICOM somewhere in Africa. Nigeria and so many other countries refused and that was that.

On the so-called 2015 prediction, I think we need to be honest here. We have Nigerians unwilling to fight for anything else, but looking for the country to break up. Lazy individuals who would rather vote in incompetent minds to rule them, what do you expect to result from all that? ORDER? Here's my prediction. If we continue this way, this country will not break up . . . no, it will likely end up like Somalia . . . war torn and miserably poor.

 

haka_nai:

Second qoute,definately it is known fact that US moves to counter groups like al-qaida sometimes and in other cases al-qaida moves to disrupt the influence of the west especially USA.The good thing for US is so long as they keep chasing them on foreign soil and fighting them there too regardless of who suffers it the most,USA would sleep peace and quiet.summary they maybe chasing al-qaida away from Nigeria or al-qaida fighting US influence in Nigeria.Both ways it ain't good for Nigerians.

Your fact is NOT based on evidence, sorry!! That the US had to fight Alquaeda in Iraq, at one time, and then Afghanistan(where they are actually based) does not help your claim there at all. The USA leaves Iraq completely in a couple of months, and AlQuaeda is in places like Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Tanzania, and recently Nigeria. Your Boko Haram group, has been linked to them. Are you going to attempt to argue next that US has invaded those countries and so the reason why Alquaeda has been working out of those countries? I don't even see what the good thing you speak of, is.  

Your summary there just makes me wonder if you are commentingfor comments sake. lol . . . Alqaida fighting US influence in Nigeria? In of all places Northern nigeria where the 1000's who have been killed have been Northerners(majority) and no single report of foreigners being killed WOW

CyberG:

Good debate guys! I agree with a lot of positions taken by you guys but like Gbawe emphasized, Jonathan is and was NEVER the right person to lead Nigeria! For people who have attended top schools out of Nigeria, interviewed or even worked in top companies, you know how hard it is! Now imagine if anyone with the performance and record like Jonathan would even make screening or interview stage?

My brother, this is the crux of the matter. What do these top companies consider the holy grail if not the non-negotiable concept of getting men and women documented history , without any shadow of doubt, show are talented and efficient solutions providers? In Nigerian, we are f.cking around with mediocrity yet expecting progress . Truly tragic.

In general, the more important the job then the sterner the recruitment process will be. This is holding true for many African nations currently and I see it first hand as per having the priviledge to be in some African country around election time to note stimulating debates about the history/achievement/service record of contenders.

Step into twilight zone Nigeria and discussion becomes about ethnic group, "god's annointed", religion, "boy with no shoes" et al. With such political gauchness, men like OBJ and Anenih will always succeed easily in selling us "mutton dressed as lamb" . When the fallout for their selfish choice then confront all of us glaringly , their stooge (Yar Adua, GEJ) , undeserving in the first place, are always found badly wanting.

CyberG:

Good debate guys! I agree with a lot of positions taken by you guys but like Gbawe emphasized, Jonathan is and was NEVER the right person to lead Nigeria! For people who have attended top schools out of Nigeria, interviewed or even worked in top companies, you know how hard it is! Now imagine if anyone with the performance and record like Jonathan would even make screening or interview stage?

They say when you have lemons, make lemonade. We already have him as president. No amount of whining is going to remove him, and I don't see the man stepping down anytime soon. So unless folks are finally awake and ready to push him off that seat -- unless Nigerian men have finally decided to grow a BACKBONE and show us all the reason why they ought to be seen as men at all, we need to encourage him to look for ways to get competent people to come in to do the job or something along those lines.

Kobojunkie:

They will foot the bill? Are you insinuating that when we send out troops out, we do it for FREE? I do hope you know that we get paid for the missions, right?? It is rarely volunteer

As the poster already mentioned, US, and many other countries have had their teams in Nigeria for a while now.

You suggest oil, and to that I say again, much of our oil DOES NOT belong to us. Majority shareholders in the western/asian countries that drill and refine our oils are not even Africans, let alone Nigerians. The US didn't need to come into Nigeria for that to happen. So, How can the US get stronger grounds in the Oil sector, when it could not do that in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or any of the other Oil countries it has dealt with before now? Oil is sold at the same price to America as it is to Lesotho, so what is with this "they are here to steal our oil" mania?


Please help us define OCCUPY. The countries you listed above --- all have deals with the US that allows the US remain in those countries. Germany has NOT evicted the US and the US refused to leave. Same case in Kuwait, Korea, Japan. So, you will need to explain what you mean when you claim that the country OCCUPIES other countries? Recently the issue between Korea and it's neighbour escalated and I believe the US army was called in by the Korean Government to help ensure the security of the nation. Is that the country feeling Occuped?

It was recently announced that Japan, and some of the surrounding countries, around China feel increasingly threatened, and yes, again, the US forces in the area were suggested to be there to help ensure the situation does not escalate -- I believe one of the island officers in an island nation stated that the country needed the US troops in the area to come to aid it in ensuring that none of it's islands is lost to China. Is that the sort of statement you expect from an occupied state?

On asking for millitary presence in Nigeria, I don';t think that is entirely accurate. I believe that was in relationship to the situating of AFRICOM somewhere in Africa. Nigeria and so many other countries refused and that was that.

On the so-called 2015 prediction, I think we need to be honest here. We have Nigerians unwilling to fight for anything else, but looking for the country to break up. Lazy individuals who would rather vote in incompetent minds to rule them, what do you expect to result from all that? ORDER? Here's my prediction. If we continue this way, this country will not break up . . . no, it will likely end up like Somalia . . . war torn and miserably poor.

 

Your fact is NOT based on evidence, sorry!! That the US had to fight Alquaeda in Iraq, at one time, and then Afghanistan(where they are actually based) does not help your claim there at all. The USA leaves Iraq completely in a couple of months, and AlQuaeda is in places like Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Tanzania, and recently Nigeria. Your Boko Haram group, has been linked to them. Are you going to attempt to argue next that US has invaded those countries and so the reason why Alquaeda has been working out of those countries? I don't even see what the good thing you speak of, is.  

Your summary there just makes me wonder if you are commentingfor comments sake. lol . . . Alqaida fighting US influence in Nigeria? In of all places Northern nigeria where the 1000's who have been killed have been Northerners(majority) and no single report of foreigners being killed WOW

You definitely mistaken in some areas.US would ultimately prefer a military presence in Nigeria to protect her energy needs.The best guarantee she has is total control of the source.She has achieved some through our corrupt leadership all along.But she is mindfull that someday a true nationalist with the interest of the nation may just come along and make her less of a priority.As such she needs to remain relevant and strong around or within Nigeria.Read more about her numerous request to have military presence in the country.She suggested a Navy to fight militancy in the ND than provide patrol boats she promised OBJ.She at the same time suggested 200  patrol boats to be efficient and yet rejected to supply.She decided to intervene in sao-tome after all the struggle to defend her peace has passed.The goal is not the people or the nation is about there energy needs.USA has always tried to project events in Nigeria and all they do is priority one how do we secure the refineries and the oil facilities and not even the immediate communities.Because she has always identified this so called militancy we are suffering now.In the north and south since her defense analysis during Gen murtala.So her goal is to create another green zone possibly.while we fight or burn she doesn't care.
Did you also follow her defense war game on Nigeria?She would provide Ghana with the resources to provide peace keepers in any event of war while she secures oil facilities.At the end she suggest a coup would sort us out.Are you kidding me!!Did you see her caring about Nigeria as a whole.
South asked UN not US.for your information US came because of the soviet.Current the situation has changed.South Korea is stronger than North Korea.Economically, scientifically and militarily.US has made her rely on her so the Korean army remains comatose in defense production.By and large if you must know in there must recent outburst and clashes did you see any USA army in front or killed?The S. Korean army fights back and is the main force of defense.I can tell you without USA they would even do better.today the choose to patronize US armament while other countries even japan has started her home made arsenal to deter bigger fires like China.
Also what is the mandate of US in that country.read first then tell me.While you are at it,check the capabilities of S.korea and N. korea?The only significant difference N.korea has today over S.korea is long range missiles and guts.Because US has choose to only allow S.korea to have patriot missiles and rely on her as a deterring force.US went there to stop communism and not bring peace.
In saudi and other arab countries she has military bases and the one in kuwait/Iraq provides her all she needs to watch all this countries effectively.You need to look at US defence strategy.She either keeps bases with strategic reach of her goals/interest or a carrier group around.She kept one off our coast (gulf of Guinea) claimed it was for military support/trainning and anti-piracy. Alot more are around Iran.not just for Iranian waters but to protect her nerve point for oil supply from the gulf states.
About AFRICOM,she still has interest and is very much interested in Nigeria as her base.She is just waiting for her chance through our leadership or the intervention we are asking.AFRICOM came after she made appeals to have a military base in Nigeria to help us with peace keeping trainings.Even victor malu detect there deceptive agenda and it caused him his job after going public.IF am wrong them AFRICOM belongs in somalia or south sudan!!!!

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we dnt need anybody

Joe simply need to wake up

has he??

how much intelligence has they attain since this maddness started??

there are lots of question to be asked

it is either he is not up for the job or he is a coward himself

by now intelligence should be coming from the lagos port; mosques in the north;army; police;niger;chad;pakistan; etc

phone calls from arabs countries should be well monitored!!


what is wrong with some blackman danmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm it!!

Kobojunkie:

They say when you have lemons, make lemonade. We already have him as president. No amount of whining is going to remove him, and I don't see  the man stepping down anytime soon. So unless folks are finally awake and ready to push him off  that seat -- unless Nigerian men have finally decided to grow a BACKBONE and show us all the reason why they ought to be seen as men at all, we need to encourage him to look for ways to get competent people to come in to do the job or something along those lines.

You keep pushing forward this line of argument but it only highlights that you talk out of a sentimental support for the USA , perhaps because you feel you owe the nation that, rather than from a position based on factual/relevant history .

The USA's messy engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan shows that no one, except red-neck "patriots" sworn to the principle of "our cause is just", will dare deem America "competent" today. If anything , those misadventures have helped to show the USA to be highly flawed in its perceptions of others and the solutions required for problems the USA never cared to understand to begin with. This is a nation that arrogantly think Iraqis want KFC on every corner and American-style democracy !!!!


Most observers , true or false, will conclude that "Christian crusading" USA is simply itching to come into Nigeria to "deal with" sworn enemies i.e muslims. It is a view America cannot blame others for holding about them given the lessons of history. The USA is not "competent" . That is the fact current history shows glaringly. The only solution they are prepared to offer , because of their bias of who they prefer to work with eg Israel instead of Palestine, is not the sort Nigeria needs. Why did they not advise GEJ, OBJ , Anenih et al to thread carefully in "cheating" the most clannish region in Nigeria to avoid what we are seeing now? Abeg , let the USA stay away. Recent history does not show them to be competent . It merely portrays them as incredibly arrogant, decietful and ignorant.

If they were happy to lie about weapons of mass destruction to destroy someone they hated (Saddam) why can they not do same to destroy the North and leave us with a war zone of a Nation?

ikeyman00:

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we dnt need anybody

Joe simply need to wake up

This is the crux of the matter !!! Whatever happened to going after the sponsors you told us you have identified? Is it not easier to take them down , in cutting off the head of the snake, than inviting the USA to Nigeria , in a military capacity, and creating the new 'Jihad' arena for every terrorist who has ever dreamed of fighting the "infidel imperialist"?

We have not asked GEJ to deliver by carrying out brave measures within his powers yet we are backing foreign military intervention from a very controversial nation as per fundamentalist fervour/resistance. This is clue that many commentators on NL are simply out of touch diasporans.

^^^^

yes u are right

by now intelligence should be flying in from everywhere

any Nigerian boarding planes to chad Niger Pakistan should be well checked at the airport etc

that just one example

in the mosques infiltrate that mosques; _{who came to the world to live poor} put them on payroll

the same goes to the Niger border staffs etc

the same goes to some custom officers

the same goes to some okada riders in the north

the same goes to people that sells stuff on the street in the north

the same goes to staff in the hospitals in the Norths

the same goes to villagers in the north

the same goes to the transport drivers to the Niger and chad borders

etc

before u know it one of those mu da fucker will be caught with a swift helicopter awaiting somewhere in the north!

even small Kenya dey try self in bamboozling those Somalian killers

ikeyman00:

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we dnt need anybody

Joe simply need to wake up

has he??

how much intelligence has they attain since this maddness started??

there are lots of question to be asked

it is either he is not up for the job or he is a coward himself

[b]by now intelligence should be coming from the [b]lagos port; mosques in the north;army;  police;niger;chad;pakistan; etc

phone calls from arabs countries should be well monitored!! [/b] [/b] what is wrong with some blackman  danmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm it!!

ikeyman00:

^^^^

yes u are right

by now intelligence should be flying in from everywhere

[b]any Nigerian boarding planes to chad Niger Pakistan should be well checked at the airport etc

that just one example

in the mosques infiltrate that mosques; _{who came to the world to live poor} put them on payroll

the same goes to the Niger border staffs etc

the same goes to some custom officers

the same goes to some okada riders in the north

the same goes to people that sells stuff on the street in the north

the same goes to staff in the hospitals in the Norths

the same goes to villagers in the north

the same goes to the transport drivers to the Niger and chad borders

etc

before u know it one of those mu da fucker will be caught with a swift helicopter awaiting somewhere in the north![/b]even small Kenya dey try self in bamboozling those Somalian killers

you could be wrong that survillance should be restrict to one section or portion.The Niger state BH kingpin caught was a lagos based business man.Also terrorist are known to be deceptive until they attack.So if you confine your interest to a section, they could exploit the weak areas to reach there goals.You would be surprised that weapons flow from the south feeds some of this violent groups up north.Especially after the ND conflict.Arm dealers have no faith and alligence.They just have to trade there stuff.So anything for the money.
Make the bolded everyone and anywhere you visit or what you do regularly (profiling of all that is Nigerian and in Nigeria).people change and treats are dynamic.A friend today could be a foe tomorrow.So lets watch all and if one becomes a treat we act regardless.Basically your points are good.gbam gbam gbam!!!!It is so sad where our security cheifs sits down to inform US and other countries about our president and pressing national issues is unheard of unless in Nigeria.Top security personnel updating US ambassdors as if they are answerable to them.We can't stop them spying on us but it is also criminal for some one to share information of national concern with a foreign interest.

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i tell u!

u are right

If you visit Nigeria security establishments and others apart from within Abuja or headquaters you could see that security is still not on her toes.Have you ever seen a security man working when assign to secure an area.They jsut form a group under a shade and gist all day long.Not being observant and not minding activites assigned to him.If you are guarding a place you should monitor all that happens around you.
We still inspect stuff by eyes and hand.Where are the typical well trained dogs in expolsoives,weapons,narcotics etc screenings they can do reliabily in no time.Tell them to buy 5000 dogs now for a start and someone has gotten looting galore and silly foreign trip tourism.Recently i was in the domestic wing of some airports.You could see how everyone simply works in with large bags in and out.The premises.Not to far ago someone in russia exploit same lapses to detonate an explosive in the waiting area.can we ever learn.we react only after the damage.how prepared and how serious is our security is an issue.
Things still happen my brother.We are not ready yet abeg.The flaws are too numerous and that is why BH is gaining grounds.I went to a secretatriat,interior for that matter and the security personnal were not interested in who i was but busy pricing xmas wears from someone during working hours.
We don't have to travel abroad for good dog breeds Nigeria has a significant number of breeders in the country at better offers than wasting money on flights.We also have agents who speciallize in dogs ,that can acquire the breeds we need.The police and other security out fits then take charge of training.After they have trainning to on how to handle them for the current security challenge.
The issues are plenty and we have not started.Unless we intend to sway our entire security with foriegn security personnel.

Foreign military will not help our situation but add more problems to it.

haka_nai:

   If you visit Nigeria security establishments and others apart from within Abuja or headquaters you could see that security is still not on her toes.Have you ever seen a security man working when assign to secure an area.They jsut form a group under a shade and gist all day long.Not being observant and not minding activites assigned to him.If you are guarding a place you should monitor all that happens around you.
   We still inspect stuff by eyes and hand.Where are the typical well trained dogs in expolsoives,weapons,narcotics etc screenings they can do reliabily in no time.Tell them to buy 5000 dogs now for a start and someone has gotten looting galore and silly foreign trip tourism.Recently i was in the domestic wing of some airports.You could see how everyone simply works in with large bags in and out.The premises.Not to far ago someone in russia exploit same lapses to detonate an explosive in the waiting area.can we ever learn.we react only after the damage.how prepared and how serious is our security is an issue.
    Things still happen my brother.We are not ready yet abeg.The flaws are too numerous and that is why BH is gaining grounds.I went to a secretatriat,interior for that matter and the security personnal were not interested in who i was but busy pricing xmas wears from someone during working hours.
     We don't have to travel abroad for good dog breeds Nigeria has a significant number of breeders in the country at better offers than wasting money on flights.We also have agents who speciallize in dogs ,that can acquire the breeds we need.The police and other security out fits then take charge of training.After they have trainning to on how to handle them for the current security challenge.
    The issues are plenty and we have not started.Unless we intend to sway our entire security with foriegn security personnel.

Thank you for this excellent post . You are a Nigerian who speaks out of awareness. I remember when a threat had been recieved a few weeks ago against Lagos and all press reported "beefed up" security at MMIA on Friday. Saturday morning when I travelled via MMIA, I saw no "beefed up" security whatsoever !!!! Everything is wrong with us. Your statement below certainly speaks to me personally:

The issues are plenty and we have not started.Unless we intend to sway our entire security with foriegn security personnel.

Lack of foresight and a will to sacrifice, in the interest of what is best for the nation, is what got us here. No manner of foreign presence will be effective. Foreign intervention will only worsen things, heighten rancour and forment an escalation of violence throughout Nigeria. Just ask folks of Iraq !!!!

One of the way out is for GEJ to deal ruthlessly with the sponsors of Boko Haram but we all know that will never happen.

Those sponsoring Boko Haram will not relent until GEJ is gone and GEJ is unlikely to take the bravest and most fundamentally required efforts to deal with this menace. We are therefore at an impasse caused by greed, extreme selfishness and a total disregard for Nigerian lives from GEJ and those who fight him.


As you say, "silly foreign trip tourism" (largest delegation to CHOGM ever) ,at a time all financial and physical effort should go into attempts at healing a very sick nation,  indicates a government unwilling to do what is right. GEJ knows he has done "treacherously wrong" according to the 'rules' of the game they all signed up for. This is why he cannot hit these folks hard. He feels, in his heart, he has cheated them and is somewhat deserving of their anger. He tells us he knows them yet he cannot bring them to book. He is not ready to make 'reparations' either so the killing continues while both crew continue to stare each other out from their luxury mansions.

Inviting the USA in is not tenble at all while us Nigerians, leaders and followers, have not exhausted all possible options of self-help. Who, for example, have we demanded to  make way for others before we start turning to the "world's policeman"? In what Nation , after all that has happened, will our NSA and others still be in their very well-paid jobs? American military assistance indeed !! When we still have the most incompetent hands running the nation ? Nigerians can dream on. My signature is what I believe in. Let us gain a culture of impatience and intolerance for leaders who fail us. That way, whether intentionally or otherwise, we will gain leaders who can lead effectively.

I only long for the day when i have to tell stories about this f**kt up country

Has foreign occupation stopped iraqis,somalis and afghans from killing themselves ? Seems jonny boy doesn't even know what's happening outside nigeria.maybe he should also considers himself unfit to be president and handover to obama to rule nigeria !

what we need is some good pair of sneakers!
Real and good intel will wipe away these bokos their financers and supporters.

No be God

Seems like I will be able to but the latest version of Battlefield 3, Lagos/Abuja, soon.Call of Duty Abia.

Tobi_dad:

what we need is some good pair of sneakers!
Real and good intel will wipe away these bokos their financers and supporters.

It seems that "intel" has already shown them the sponsors of boko Haram to include a "former head of State".

It is oga pata-pata who is too petrified to act on the information they tell us they have. When will we Nigerians begin to deal with that issue? I.e when will we begin asking those not up to the job , and clearly too compromised or incompetent, to step aside before we start looking for others outside Nigeria to come and deliver us?

Quote 4m Gbawe

[b]Why can we never learn from history in Nigeria? What has the USA achieved in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are those places more democratic or safer after US intervention?

Some problems remain to do with ideology and percieved injustice - a core concept 'Rambo-minded' USA will never understand . Shell/bomb a people to death if you want. They will only remain more determined to resist you if they feel you don't understand what they want. Where we keep getting it wrong is our romance with very selfish men who only want to control our resources for their camp. They make their self-serving and hard-hearted choices and expect all of us to contribute to their selfish struggle with our lives !!!

We should not be in doubt that this struggle is to do with the need for two splintered camps of the PDP to control Nigeria's resources !!! Both camps are vicious and murderous !!! Non is on the side of Nigerians or making personal sacrifice in favour of what is best for our nation. Folks interested in doing what is best for Nigeria will understand the concept of sacrifice and humility. At no stage did those who wanted to control our resources , for their private cabal, show any interest in sacrifice or humility. They all, collectively , as very selfish and "do or die" men who should not ordinarily be near nation-building, chose to go to 'war'. Sadly many of us are now being forced to take sides without understanding that the best solution is not violence or going forward with this 'democracy' built, by crooks, on deception .

This is why I said I envy Libya recently. I would love to be in their shoes with a National transitional council (NTC) consisting of men like Achebe , Soyinka , Falana, Col.Umar and others with undoubted integrity charting a way forward for our Nation with those into crude greed (OBJ, Anenih, GEJ, Atiku, Ciroma, IBB et al) totally frozen out. Alas , that is mere fantasy untilNigerians, mentally , arrive at the right 'bus stop'.[/b]


You saw the big picture, only few Nigerians understands this.