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| False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 10:18am On Nov 13, 2011 |
"Angel": "Can I prophesy?" Crowd: "prophesy!" "Angel": "I'm doing the best I can!" "Angel": "Shout Jesus!" Crowd: "Jesus!" "Angel": "That's my Boss!" |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 10:47am On Nov 13, 2011 |
So what's the falsehood?  |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 12:22pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Ministry: Spirit Embassy Real Name: Uebert Mudzanire Wife: "Prophetess" Beverly Angel Other Pastors: Webster Hungwe Angel |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 12:27pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Crowd: <clap, clap> Beverly Angel: "If you are going to clap you might as well do it right" Crowd: <louder clap> |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 1:05pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Playlist on MiracleTV of Spirit Embassy: Amy Grant -Better than hallelujah God loves a lullaby In a mothers tears in the dead of night Better than a Hallelujah sometimes. God loves a drunkards cry, The soldiers plea not to let him die Better than a Hallelujah sometimes. We pour out our miseries God just hears a melody Beautiful the mess we are The honest cries of breaking hearts Are better than a Hallelujah The woman holding on for life, The dying man giving up the fight Are better than a Hallelujah sometimes The tears of shame for what's been done, The silence when the words won't come Are better than a Hallelujah sometimes. We pour out our miseries God just hears a melody Beautiful the mess we are The honest cries of breaking hearts Find More lyrics at www.sweetslyrics.com Are better than a Hallelujah Better than a church bell ringing, Better than a choir singing out,singing out. We pour out our miseries God just hears a melody Beautiful the mess we are The honest cries of breaking hearts Are better than a Hallelujah |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 1:31pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
From the website: http://clients.logoinn.net/SpiritEmbassy/teaching_faith.htm You need to ACT UPON what you believe for it to work and that is great faith. That is the God kind of faith. THAT IS LAMBANO. See James 1 vs.22: …be doers of the word and not hearers only… I suspect he plagiarised Pastor Chris' teachings! |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 1:45pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Uebert Angel: The Bible says 'if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature.' A new creature that never existed before, a new kind of species. If I am a new creature that never existed before, who did Christ die for? Christ died for the old me, but this new one, ah ah (interpretation: No, No) |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 2:18pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Beverly Angel: You should never tell God about your problems. You need to tell your problems about the God that you serve. Beverly Angel: Say "I am a fourth member of the trinity". I see some religious people are getting angry already. Beverly Angel: You are not going to be crying out unto the Lord like Moses did, you are marching forward. Beverly Angel: If you don't have faith, if you don't excercise faith, you can never please God in this life or any other life there is. 1 Like |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 2:23pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Beverly Angel prophesies to a lady, Lady: It's true, woman of God, praise the Lord. Beverly turns to the audience: She's more enthusiastic than all of you combined. |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 3:26pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Uebert Angel: There are different spiritual levels. The level which I'm going to teach you, the spiritual will materialise into the natural. The difference between you and I is that I can open my eyes to see in another world. Uebert Angel: When you want to see angels, there are levels you want to understand. Uebert Angel: Didn't I say after the prophetic conference, you will see people calling themselves prophets who are liars. Uebert Angel: To see an angel, be expectant to see an angel. Uebert Angel: When you open the door, say "Angels, I'm home". Uebert Angel: When you lie on your bed, say the lioness or the lion is about to sleep and in this dream, angels will be talking to me. Uebert Angel: I strengthen the angels in your live. I multiply the angels, in Jesus' name Uebert Angel: When you are having a vision [haza], you can pass through an angel. When you are having a vision [mara], you can bump into an angel. Uebert Angel: When you have a vision [mara], everyone around you will experience something Uebert Angel: Is there anyone hear who is hearing this for the first time? You are telling the truth. Why? We are Spirit Embassy Uebert Angel: Be comfortable with what you have but don't be content. Uebert Angel: If you confess money and money comes to your house why can't you confess angels? Uebert Angel: I remember one day we were in the house with my wife and an elder from London. And people started to shake. Then I looked around and saw angels at the fireplace and everyone was shaking and falling down but they didn't see angels. I saw the angels. When you have a vision [mara] everyone around you is affected. Uebert Angel: When you mature in the prophetic, you don't only hear, an angel stands in front of you, telling you. That's why I say I don't make mistakes. Uebert Angel: When I tell someone a mobile number, an angel stands there dialing 0 and I say "zero", 1 and I say "one". That's why many people can't stand me when I pass by. Why? Because I walk with angels. Uebert Angel: I was preaching in a church of 21 people including my wife and kid. And sixteen people saw an angel standing beside me and two said they heard a large sound. Uebert Angel: When I was in London, the speakers they gave the worship songs but the worshippers were not there. Uebert Angel: The first time my wife saw an angel, she was in another room, I was in another room and I was praying "Lord, my wife wants to see an angel". An angel appeared before me and I said "Father, If I found favour in your sight, let the same angel appear in the other room." The wall breaks open and she begins to see the same angel. Uebert Angel: If your bank account has one dollar, I materialise the thousands. I move the thounsands in the spiritual world 1 Like |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 3:32pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
What is the falsehood? You're only transcribing their speeches |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 3:40pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Joagbaje: If you don't see the falsehood, I can't point it out to you either. Anyone who has a Bible and reads it can make their own conclusion. I have made up mine That this man is a false prophet, like TB Joshua. have a nice day. 1 Like |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 8:08am On Nov 14, 2011 |
On what ground do you labbell thrm false? If someone gives a false prophecy , that's when you can say he's a false prophet. A msn is not false just by prophesying . [flash=400,300] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bahr5FjX7iY&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/flash] |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by aletheia(m): 9:59am On Nov 14, 2011 |
wetu: Joagbaje: wetu: 1 Like |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by dare2think: 10:18am On Nov 14, 2011 |
Nice one alethea, Well, I am the fifth member of the trinity, Where is the falsehood in that? (If being an extra member of the "Trinity", a three member state, is not falsehood, I really wonder what is) |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 10:43am On Nov 14, 2011 |
dare2think: I don't agree with the man on that one either. But it's not enough for me to label him false prophet. I would have loved to hear the teaching and know what point he was making. A man can make a mistake. We are united with God and we don't have to be a fourth part. We are in him . But until I hear the teaching myself ,I can't conclude .let the op post the link . |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by dare2think: 11:02am On Nov 14, 2011 |
^^^^^ Agreed. Op, pls quote the link. |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 11:19am On Nov 14, 2011 |
There are also those who may give correct prophesies but it doesn't mean they are true prophets: Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? Why should we go to those prophets? Should a people not seek unto their God? But now the question is, How do we know they are not God's prophets? Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. So when you see someone whose teachings depart from the Bible, it is because they don't have the testimony of Jesus Christ,they don't have light! Rev 19:10 [size=14pt]for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy[/size]. This guy has a testimony of angels. He gets his prophecies from "angels", not from the Holy Spirit: Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Christians minister by the Holy Spirit, not angels: Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 1 Like |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 11:29am On Nov 14, 2011 |
dare2think: I don't have a link, I was typing this as I was watching them say those things on Miracle TV. Joagbaje is only asking for the link because the teachings are indefensible, otherwise he would be pulling out some scriptures to defend them. You need to watch these guys performing. As you can see from my posts, they boast alot about themselves and their "spirituality" and demand applause from the audience at regular intervals. The guy is trying so hard to be like Pastor Chris at times and to get the same response from the audience as Pastor Chris but Pastor Chris doesn't demand the audience's response, the audience naturally responds to his message. He also doesn't have the same humility and insight into the Bible as Pastor Chris does. The end result is something like Jerry Springer Show. I will post the DSTV frequencies for those who are in Southern Africa later. |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 11:51am On Nov 14, 2011 |
wetu: Nobody denies that. But you will know such by the fruits. The bible gives citerial for determining those who are You should deal with facts and not assumptions. Don't just label a man. Put the facts down lets all analyse them by the word. To start with, if a man believes in Jesus as lord of his life , it is a sin for anyone to call him otherwise. 1 Corinthians 12:3 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking under the power and influence of the [Holy] Spirit of God can [ever] say, Jesus be cursed! And no one can [really] say, Jesus is [my] Lord, except by and under the power and influence of the Holy Spirit. These are simple biblical facts. If a man both of God and called into ministry,and his call is confirmed by signs and wonders, we should be careful in our judgement. We may not like him,but he is Gods choice. God chose to use the vessel. Now ,can Gods vessel make a mistake? Yes. Yes it's possible, but that shouldn't make us label a man of God FALSE PROPHET. That's too heavy . We have several revelations , we see in different levels of light. 1 Corinthians 13:11-12 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. The early church had issues of differences and revelations. But they shouldn't labell one another false as long as they believe in the same Jesus. |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 12:01pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
I hope that one day God will reveal to you the meaning and context of this scripture: 1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Only if you understand that will you understand these scriptures: Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 12:3 makes the rest of the scriptures that I posted above invalid. I think you should relook your interpretation of that scripture. I suggest you look at it in the context of "concerning spiritual gifts" and "speaking by the Spirit". I personally interpret that scripture to mean that if someone curses Jesus in tongues, you can be sure that person was not speaking by the Holy Spirit but speaking demonic tongues hence the introduction "ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols" Have a nice day. |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 12:07pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
wetu: And What is my gain? Is he my pastor? Do I know him. Of course I have watched him few times. You need to watch these guys performing. As you can see from my posts, they boast alot about themselves and their "spirituality" and demand applause from the audience at regular intervals I get your point here, but I feel it would have been more appropriate for you to say. "this man does so and so, is it right? Is it biblical? It can be anylised by all according to bible. Before a conclusion. . The guy is trying so hard to be like Pastor Chris at times and to get the same response from the audience as Pastor Chris but Pastor Chris doesn't demand the audience's response, the audience naturally responds to his message. He also doesn't have the same humility and insight into the Bible as Pastor Chris does. Of course its undeniable that he copies Pastor chris or just got influenced or inspired by him. Some people call him "pastor chris of south africa" Many preachers are doing that these days. But anybody can be influenced by anybody.besides ,spiritual laws are available for us all to operate. But the issue of falsehood is something Big whereby we must be careful to label somebody as one. |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 12:38pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
wetu: A demonised man can't confess the lordship of Jesus christ. I have had encounters while casting devils out of a person, I tell them to confess his lordship , the person struggles to call Jesus. Saying "JE-JE--JE " it took them some truffles to call his name and the moment they said " I CONFESS JESUS AS my lord" the demons came out. God is nor author of concussion. If a man confesses the lord ip of Jesus , he is of God. He may make his mistake but that doesn't change him from being used of God. SATAN CANNOT CAST OUT SATAN Matthew 12:24-28 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Only if you understand that will you understand these scriptures: Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. [/Color] 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. I agree but they can never call Jesus their lord. We will know know by the fruits . Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. I agree with you here also. But that doesn't mean they were of the devil . A minister can lose his salvation which he once had. He can lose it by several reasons , especially silly unfaithfulness to God. But he must have been genuinely saved and called.This is different from the false one. [color=#990000] Hebrews 6:4-7 4 For it is impossible [to restore and bring again to repentance] those who have been once for all enlightened, who have consciously tasted the heavenly gift and have become sharers of the Holy Spirit, 5 And have felt how good the Word of God is and the mighty powers of the age and world to come, 6 If they then deviate from the faith and turn away from their allegiance--[it is impossible] to bring them back to repentance, for (because, while, as long as) they nail upon the cross the Son of God afresh [as far as they are concerned] and are holding [Him] up to contempt and shame and public disgrace. 7 For the soil which has drunk the rain that repeatedly falls upon it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose benefit it is cultivated partakes of a blessing from God. 1 Corinthians 9:27 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Supposing paul didn't check himself and lost his salvation would that make him false as though he never Was of christ? |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 12:45pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit, not angels. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. That is the Holy Spirit. If the man is not humble, there is no testimony of Jesus. If the teachings are not according to the Bible, there is no testimony of Jesus. If the man is not loving (such as mocking the people to whom he minister's "deliverance"), there is no testimony of Jesus. The problem is you won't recognise this man as a false prophet because you already accepted Fatai Temitope Balogun who acts humble. Now that the fruit of humility is lacking in Mudzanire, you still accept him because. Like Fatai Temitope Balogun chanced his name to TB Joshua, he changed his name to Angel. I can almost say they prophesy by the same spirit. Since you have accepeted TB Joshua, it is easy for you to accept another one like him who preaches angels. This gradual departure from the truth is how the anti-Christ will deceive the world. The anti-Christ spirit has managed to deceive pastors, I pity your congregations. 1 Like |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 12:56pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
A demonised man can't confess the lordship of Jesus christ. I have had encounters while casting devils out of a person, I tell them to confess his lordship , the person struggles to call Jesus. Saying "JE-JE--JE " it took them some truffles to call his name and the moment they said " I CONFESS JESUS AS my lord" the demons came out. This gives you the freedom to read scriptures without considering their proper context? OK. Anyway your case could be true in a situation where a demon manifests. But why would the demon in Uebert Angel manifest when he is in his own church, if he has a demon? Can Satan cast out Satan? If he has a demon, it will not manifest on his own church, it will manifest in a gathering of real Christians. My prayer to God is that if these men: Fatai Temitope Balogun (TB Joshua) and Uebert Mudzanire (Uebert Angel) are true prophets, let them appear at a meeting held by Dr David Owuor who I'm not saying is the only prophet but he is the only one I know. That will be the day! |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 1:44pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
wetu: I like this! It will be interesting to you that I did a thread on Dr David Owuor . Last 2 weeks and many christian labelled him as false. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-794583.0.html This is my concern. We all call peach other fasle . The real enemy is manipulating us against one another while he's laughing in one corner. These men as far as I'm concerned are all ministers of God. We should set aside our differences and focus in the centre of where we agree. That's the unity that will defeat satanic onslaught against the church. If a man believes in the lordship of christ, and confess him openly, he believes Jesus is the way ,truth and life, he believe Jesus died,buried and resurrected bodily, he believes in the atonement by the blood of Jesus and salvation through his name, he believes in one God Jehovah who manifest himself in the father,son and the holyghost, such a man is sabed and he is if God.What else are we looking for. There will always be differences among us but God is distorting those differences gradually. But they are not enough to separate us from Hods love. DAVID ONWUOR [flash=400,300] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSniWVT9QVk&feature=youtube_gdata_player [/flash] [flash=400,300] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNLU5Ro2Pj8&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/flash] |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by wetu: 3:31pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
Dr Owuor has a message. And that message is repentance and holiness. In one teaching he asks: "Since when does the devil send prophets to preach repentance and holiness?" People will say he is a false prophet because of the miracles that happen during his meetings. I don't want to say the miracles that he performs because he doesn't do those dancing with the hand techniques of TB Joshua and Uebert Angel. He preaches and prays and the glory of the Lord descends: The blind see, the lame walk, the deaf hear and the sick are healed. The Kingdom of God is within you! They don't come back next week to testify, No! they testify on the spot. One boy could not walk all his life and at this meeting he says: "I heard my heart telling me, 'Today you have walked'" People got used to false prophets and fake miracles that they will easily reject a true prophet as well. |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by Joagbaje(m): 3:41pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
His teachings agrees with your heart.Because he teaches holiness And you receive him as a man of God. same goes for others who have received other ministers as men of God. I believe he is a man of God too. As much as I believe tbj And Hebert angel are ministers. The differences in style and teaching are not reasons for labelling. |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by epikaizo: 10:52am On Nov 15, 2011 |
man of Ggod with all due respect for you and your beliefs. Tthe same way you accuse the other man of God to be false prophets is the same way your ministry will be accused. For too long people have dwelt in religion devoid of power and when they see this power all they think about is juju because thats the way you were brought up. God is the Almighty and All powerful. So if you think you have seen power in the kingdom you havent because the Almighty is unleashing Hhis power. This is mount Camel my friend and the God who answers by fire let Him be God |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by PstrJames: 12:10pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
wetu: Apostle Paul says, in (Phillipians 4:13) "I CAN DO all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." I bet there were so many who mimicked and criticked him at the time of His calling. Apostle Peter says, in (2 Peter1:21) "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." It is therefore not in the will of man for any man to prophecy but in the will of God. Jesus says in (JOHN 14:12) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do SHALL HE DO ALSO; and greater works than these SHALL HE DO; because I go unto my Father." Even Lord Jesus who is the epitomy of Gods Wisdom tells us that man shall do great works, why then should we be quick to judge and say that because a man has said CAN I, PROPHEsY, PREACH OR TEACH we want to think he is stealing God's glory. I have never seen so much criticism in the world as i have seen in the body of Christ.  |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by PstrJames: 12:18pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
wetu: So you mean this ministry as big as it seems only has: One pastor Who is Webster Hungwe Angel? And what does that have to do with being a false prophet? |
| Re: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by PstrJames: 12:33pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
wetu: WHY ARE WE QUICK TO THINK WHEN HE SAYS SOMETHING YOUVE HEARD BEFORE YOU THINK, PLAGIARISM  ?? and when he says something different from what you have heard before, you think FALSE PROPHET?? They speak the same language because they were called by the same God, if hearing from God is plagiarism then yes, He plagiarised from God. When they differ it is because God is so big and no one man can fully know all the dimensions of God 1 COR 13:9 "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part." No one man can know all there is to know about God, otherwise that person becomes like God "allknowing" so they are only sharing with you the part of God which they have been aquainted with. |
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