I think State Policing is a welcome idea, my only problem is the level of impunity these Governors will perpetrate over controlling state Police. They've already done damages to the economy by making their states unproductive. Just imagine a state like Kogi with second highest deposit of mineral resources, borrowing over N20b from CBN to pay salaries, who go pay state police officers?

We already know

Kukutente23:

Since FG will receive all the blame, does it not then make sense for FG to drive the agenda so that they take blame or praise for their works and not that of others?


State Police has been a subject since the start of this republic. It is the political wills by the presidents on seat that has stalled its implementation just as was with the PIA.

When you say Nigerian govs are crooks, i hope you realise both the president and VP are former govs as well. Are they also crooks or former crooks? Remember state police has been on the table since 1999.
All the above are a diversion though. Seyi Makinde's point which is very correct is that it's a legislative agenda not executive. So NEC asking governors to write briefs on what they constitutionally have no jurisdiction over is simply a waste of time. It is a ploy to waste time and but time for only God knows that reason. We've had constitutional amendments since 1999 and every president have signed amendments to the constitution and none have ever asked governors to submit briefs.
There are so many reports existing on state police already.

And if Nass pass it into LAW and state governors decides not to pass at state level then what happens.

You Making it look like FG can force this governors to do things.......we are talking about a state police which will need serious funding.

The governors need to show commitment by submitting the report required......it just a report for christ sake.


Just becos you don't like the president doesn't mean we shouldn't be objective in our views.

State Governors think they are wise. They want state police to be approved but they don’t want to hear anything about Local Government autonomy. Let there be state police and local government autonomy so that local governments can contribute in securing lives of their people.

Kukutente23:
Here is an intelligent man speaking.
Tinubu's govt revels in playing to the gallery, being loud on everything and public posturing while pushing the buck down the road.
They and their propaganda team have found a new canon fodder in state govs whom they use to hide their indecision and inefficiencies.
Just like the claim of giving 30bn to state govs, increased allocation to state govs when in real terms the value is less, the state police is another one they've adopted same tactics.
Another one is the minimum wage committee. They've been going from zone to zone asking what each labour movement wants when they already know they have no intention of using those inputs. Just a jamboree and waste of time. At the end, the minimum wage will linger beyond the time legally set by law for its operation.
I haven't been impressed with this govt. The business of governance has been totally abysmal and it's easy to see that they don't have any solution to the main questions neither do they even pretend to.
The little reprieve they got in exchange rate and they've been chestbeating like they just got Nigeria to Singaporean Eldorado when in actual fact, they are back to the same Buhari and Emefiele policies they maligned.
Chief of staff budget got ballooned. A certain minister is asking for security votes which if allowed will open the door for others to do same. Imagine 48 security votes at federal level minus that of the president. Then some fools will tell you to go and hold the 36 state govs accountable.
No sane and honest Nigerian has any business voting this govt beyond 2027. The cluelessness and corruption is unprecedented.

Wike is asking for security votes because the FCT minister is equivalent to the state governor since FCT has no sitting governor. He is saddled with the security of the people in FCT.

Like I said before, we are not matured yet for state politicingLike I said before, we are not matured yet for state politicing...

Ofunaofu:


https://leadership.ng/memoranda-submission-for-state-police-by-govs-a-waste-of-time-makinde/

Tinibu is smart.


Even if the national Assembly passed the law and the state assemblies do not pass it or ratify it ....the state police will not become a reality.


It's best to have each states Govs input before presenting this break through to the national Assembly.


After all the state Govs do not comply with national minimum wage till today.


Both NEC/NSA and National Assembly should work together.....

State police must come before 2027

What a disappointing comment from Makinde. You are waiting for the National Assembly to come up with a proposal on their own so that when it reaches your State you will say the bill does not favour you and you were not consulted. It is obvious that we have different socio-cultural realities from state to state and it is important that each governor contributes to the formation of the bill so that the final law will be thoroughly balanced.

Okay assuming the actual exercise is academic, what stops Mr Makinde from delegating the task to his aides or consultants to at least ensure that Oyo state and he himself won't end up being a convenient excuse for the FG or National Assembly to refuse to implement the concept of State police?

If he knows he doesn't want State police he should come out and say so plainly so his state citizens can let him know whether they agree or not, not playing politics with essential issues of governance.

Kukutente23:
Here is an intelligent man speaking.
Tinubu's govt revels in playing to the gallery, being loud on everything and public posturing while pushing the buck down the road.
They and their propaganda team have found a new canon fodder in state govs whom they use to hide their indecision and inefficiencies.
Just like the claim of giving 30bn to state govs, increased allocation to state govs when in real terms the value is less, the state police is another one they've adopted same tactics.
Another one is the minimum wage committee. They've been going from zone to zone asking what each labour movement wants when they already know they have no intention of using those inputs. Just a jamboree and waste of time. At the end, the minimum wage will linger beyond the time legally set by law for its operation.
I haven't been impressed with this govt. The business of governance has been totally abysmal and it's easy to see that they don't have any solution to the main questions neither do they even pretend to.
The little reprieve they got in exchange rate and they've been chestbeating like they just got Nigeria to Singaporean Eldorado when in actual fact, they are back to the same Buhari and Emefiele policies they maligned.
Chief of staff budget got ballooned. A certain minister is asking for security votes which if allowed will open the door for others to do same. Imagine 48 security votes at federal level minus that of the president. Then some fools will tell you to go and hold the 36 state govs accountable.
No sane and honest Nigerian has any business voting this govt beyond 2027. The cluelessness and corruption is unprecedented.

Why are you deviating from the real issue - that States should send their opinions for creation of the States Police!
Is that a big deal for Seyi Makinde?
I love Makinde but I just don't get his points!
In years to come now, somebody there will come up with illusion that ,the Federal Govt didn't enabled all the States to have input on this very serious matter,afterall,if is not important, their is no need to ask them to present their Memorandum!
Governor Makinde is wrong on this!

Some WEREY will just support anything against TINUBU.




SEYI is not making sense.

Send your memorandum and forget about other things.


Na so they passed 30k minimum wage and you people are yet to pay!

His brash approach is quite unruly, petulant and unprofessional.

He is a member of the NEC. Did he oppose the idea of States submitting a report at any meeting of the NEC. If you disagree with a proposal, you make your views known at the meeting or subsequently through other channels.

Federal government is trying to get the imput of States so that various considerations can be taken into account.

Going on TV to talk like that undermines statecraft in a terrible way.

happney65:
Seyi knows exactly what he is saying. As a state that has a mini state police,The Amotekun force,that has gone a long way in aiding Security doing these things are not rocket science.

Guess he has seen the FG isn't serious and there won't be any sort of restructuring whatsoever under Tinubu that is why he is coming out to say this.

Like myself and my Dad were discussing yesterday, Nothing called restructing will happen under Tinubu because like the coward he is,He is afraid of the North

The North like the parasite they are. They do not want restructuring of any kain because if they do,they should be the ones calling for state policing ever ever since.

But because they are okay with the current situation of things and are not bothered whatsoever.

If truly Tinubu wants it,the process for state policing and state being in control of their resources and true federalism should have started immediately he was sworn in by starting the process at the National Assembly and it be made law.

States submitting a so called memorandum is just a complete waste of time and wont bring about anything

When Amotekun was to be founded,they sent it to their various State Houses of Assembly,they passed it and it became Law.

But Tinubu will keep on playing you people the very way he is playing Labour

Nonesense and Tinubu

He knows nothing

Nonsense,you and unserious governors.

He is looking for excuse not to establish state police just like non payment of minimum wage!

limeta:
Senseless nature of situation

No be today the country cast

Godoverevery:


And if Nass pass it into LAW and state governors decides not to pass at state level then what happens.

You Making it look like FG can force this governors to do things.......we are talking about a state police which will need serious funding.

The governors need to show commitment by submitting the report required......it just a report for christ sake.


Just becos you don't like the president doesn't mean we shouldn't be objective in our views.

This will not be the first amendment to be rejected by the states. I already informed you that states govs have been advocating for state police since 1999.

If their state assemblies then reject it, it is clear to everyone that they are the ones who rejected it and they can't hide under our laws to claim they can't function as chief security officers of their various states.

There are tens of reports on states policing already. If the FG is not going to do anything about states policing simply because some govs are yet to submit reports then it is the FG which is unserious and want to retain the central policing structure.

In the actual sense, the major beneficiary of state policing should be the FG since they no longer have to answer for security issues in every nook and cranny of the country. It is thus absurd that same FG is the one deploying delay tactics by asking govs to submit reports like secondary school students.

It's not about like or not for the president. I already mentioned that presidents before him also stalled on the subject.

It's about government business. Under normal circumstances, a constitutional amendment is a purely legislative agenda. So asking govs to write reports on a legislative agenda is simply meaningless. You think Tinubu who refused to backtrack as gov when asked to collapse LCDAs he illegally created would have answered any president asking him to write reports? Or is it Shettima who refused an order to move Chibok girls away from danger?

The fact is political consultation will always be involved in any constitutional amendments to achieve a consensus but the state policing agenda has achieved a level of consensus that sending governors on thesis writing errands is simply diversionary and meaningless and I agree with Seyi Makinde on that.

Kukutente23:
Here is an intelligent man speaking.
Tinubu's govt revels in playing to the gallery, being loud on everything and public posturing while pushing the buck down the road.
They and their propaganda team have found a new canon fodder in state govs whom they use to hide their indecision and inefficiencies.
Just like the claim of giving 30bn to state govs, increased allocation to state govs when in real terms the value is less, the state police is another one they've adopted same tactics.
Another one is the minimum wage committee. They've been going from zone to zone asking what each labour movement wants when they already know they have no intention of using those inputs. Just a jamboree and waste of time. At the end, the minimum wage will linger beyond the time legally set by law for its operation.
I haven't been impressed with this govt. The business of governance has been totally abysmal and it's easy to see that they don't have any solution to the main questions neither do they even pretend to.
The little reprieve they got in exchange rate and they've been chestbeating like they just got Nigeria to Singaporean Eldorado when in actual fact, they are back to the same Buhari and Emefiele policies they maligned.
Chief of staff budget got ballooned. A certain minister is asking for security votes which if allowed will open the door for others to do same. Imagine 48 security votes at federal level minus that of the president. Then some fools will tell you to go and hold the 36 state govs accountable.
No sane and honest Nigerian has any business voting this govt beyond 2027. The cluelessness and corruption is unprecedented.

This perfectly sums up the sad situation. Hence why I feel a military coup is the best solution

LOl....

All those people shouting restructing! restructing! restructing!.... This is the same thing that will happen when you ask them to bring their own report or suggestions on how it will run, they will run away.

Do you know how many tiimes National Assembly has come up with various constitutional reforms that require state inputs, and the matter dies there.

This Tinubu man is really very smart, rather than waste the work of the NA members, let states first provide their own suggestions then the various input from the state governors will be used to form the part of the bill that will be sent to the NA.

One can now see that the problems are really from the states

rotadeco27:

Wike is asking for security votes because the FCT minister is equivalent to the state governor since FCT has no sitting governor. He is saddled with the security of the people in FCT.

There is no where it is written in our laws that the fct minister is equivalent to a state gov. He is not a member of NEC which is the statutory body of governors nor a member of the Council of state which is the highest national organ of the country. The equivalent of the state governor in FCT is the president. A president can decide not to appoint a minister for FCT. The post does not exist in our laws. It's a cabinet post helping the president to exercise his executive powers over the FCT.
The security of the people of the FCT is the responsibility of the president not the FCT minister.

Okay

Is this man serious.... hope he will not complain when the framework is out?

This mugu has his audience. Even if the National Assembly passes it into law, governors may still frustrate it.

Kukutente23:

This will not be the first amendment to be rejected by the states. I already informed you that states govs have been advocating for state police since 1999.

If their state assemblies then reject it, it is clear to everyone that they are the ones who rejected it and they can't hide under our laws to claim they can't function as chief security officers of their various states.

There are tens of reports on states policing already. If the FG is not going to do anything about states policing simply because some govs are yet to submit reports then it is the FG which is unserious and want to retain the central policing structure.

In the actual sense, the major beneficiary of state policing should be the FG since they no longer have to answer for security issues in every nook and cranny of the country. It is thus absurd that same FG is the one deploying delay tactics by asking govs to submit reports like secondary school students.

It's not about like or not for the president. I already mentioned that presidents before him also stalled on the subject.

It's about government business. Under normal circumstances, a constitutional amendment is a purely legislative agenda. So asking govs to write reports on a legislative agenda is simply meaningless. You think Tinubu who refused to backtrack as gov when asked to collapse LCDAs he illegally created would have answered any president asking him to write reports? Or is it Shettima who refused an order to move Chibok girls away from danger?

The fact is political consultation will always be involved in any constitutional amendments to achieve a consensus but the state policing agenda has achieved a level of consensus that sending governors on thesis writing errands is simply diversionary and meaningless and I agree with Seyi Makinde on that.

What have we done about state that are not paying minimum wage ??
Who get the blame and insults for the failure??

We saw how governors attacked buhari over the 30k minimum wage and some claiming he never consulted before passing it.

On front page we are seeing state that are even borrowing from cbn to pay salaries.


Whether you agree or not at the end of it all if the state police project fail in some state the presidency will be one to be blame and some governors will claim they were forced and didn't have money.

Let them show there hands now so if anything happens we will hold accountable by the report they submitted.

That report is to show they all had input in making of the LAW.

Bmaster:
it is a very good suggestion and as a matter of fact how it's supposed to have been done, assuming Nigeria and it's leadership were not at the mercy of a grab-and-runaway-with-it politicians.
But,however,sir Makinde,please try as much as possible to learn from what happened to senator Ningi,. You are in a very good position to know better that our country Nigeria is gone,so subtly join the bandwagon before the group of 'emperial highnesses' reasons your case

Those that do not see anything good in this country will write like this. The intention is to harmonize the submissions and forward it to NAS as a proposed constitutional amendment. By this the passage of it at state houses of assembly will be easy.

Bluntemperor:


Why are you deviating from the real issue - that States should send their opinions for creation of the States Police!
Is that a big deal for Seyi Makinde?
I love Makinde but I just don't get his points!
In years to come now, somebody there will come up with illusion that ,the Federal Govt didn't enabled all the States to have input on this very serious matter,afterall,if is not important, their is no need to ask them to present their Memorandum!
Governor Makinde is wrong on this!

His point is that it's simply a waste of time as whatever the states write will still go to NASS.
Don't forget NASS is made up of members from all states. So why can't the states end their input through their senators and HoRs. Whatever is decided will still come to the states. Are you by any means telling me NASS will take whatever the individual states propose and just glue it together?
The job of the NASS is what you're asking the govs to do and it's simply a waste of time

Godoverevery:


What have we done about state that are not paying minimum wage ??
Who get the blame and insults for the failure??

We saw how governors attacked buhari over the 30k minimum wage and some claiming he never consulted before passing it.

On front page we are seeing state that are even borrowing from cbn to pay salaries.


Whether you agree or not at the end of it all if the state police project fail in some state the presidency will be one to be blame and some governors will claim they were forced and didn't have money.

Let them show there hands now so if anything happens we will hold accountable by the report they submitted.

That report is to show they all had input in making of the LAW.

So are you telling me NASS will just take ALL the inputs from various states, glue it together and then send it to the state assemblies for assent?
It is obvious you guys are ignorant of the constitutional amendments process. States do not have any role to play. A state can't send a bill for constitutional amendments. Only FG can.
Even if the states all send their reports, it does not guarantee that the final draft will be acceptable to all. It is the job of NASS to get inputs from all states through their reps and debate, then come to a conclusion before forwarding to the states.
The idea of states writing assignment is simply a waste of time.

hafeeanubasy:

He knows nothing

Nonsense,you and unserious governors.

He is looking for excuse not to establish state police just like non payment of minimum wage!

Next time don't just come online to talk just for the sake of talking.

Shey you hear?

Now run along Boy

The Politicians are learning on the job.

But one thing is certain; There will be State Police before 2027.

My worry is their Uniforms in certain States. It is guaranteed that the Sharia States Police will look like Talibans

Kukutente23:

So are you telling me NASS will just take ALL the inputs from various states, glue it together and then send it to the state assemblies for assent?
It is obvious you guys are ignorant of the constitutional amendments process. States do not have any role to play. A state can't send a bill for constitutional amendments. Only FG can.
Even if the states all send their reports, it does not guarantee that the final draft will be acceptable to all. It is the job of NASS to get inputs from all states through their reps and debate, then come to a conclusion before forwarding to the states.
The idea of states writing assignment is simply a waste of time.

So state can't send report and recommendations about LAW to be pass ?? Cos I don't understand why you sounding so personal like you a state governor.

If they are irrelevant in making of LAW why did they attack buhari over minimum wage bill??

Is all state in Nigeria the same and have same financial strength??



If it was a LAW for money sharing formula am sure every state governor would submit there report that week....lol

Once again we need there input in making this particular LAW so the minimum wage scenario won't happen again

Kukutente23:

His point is that it's simply a waste of time as whatever the states write will still go to NASS.
Don't forget NASS is made up of members from all states. So why can't the states end their input through their senators and HoRs. Whatever is decided will still come to the states. Are you by any means telling me NASS will take whatever the individual states propose and just glue it together?
The job of the NASS is what you're asking the govs to do and it's simply a waste of time

Very funny.......is it senators and HOR members that don't even see there governor will be the one make inputs on there behalf.

I know you understand Nigerians politics very well so we all know anything that involves spending money that won't be beneficial to our governor they show no interest.

happney65:


Next time don't just come online to talk just for the sake of talking.

Shey you hear?

Now run along Boy

This one is mad!
😆

Godoverevery:


Very funny.......is it senators and HOR members that don't even see there governor will be the one make inputs on there behalf.

I know you understand Nigerians politics very well so we all know anything that involves spending money that won't be beneficial to our governor they show no interest.

It is because I know Nigeria that I know this is a waste of time and delay tactics.
If the NASS members are not on same page with their govs, does it not mean that the inputs from the govs will be trashed at NASS? Is that not what Makinde is saying?
Let the FG consult with the states, draw up a draft memorandum and transmit to NASS to work on.
It's as simple as that. Telling each gov to go write a report is a waste of time

Godoverevery:


So state can't send report and recommendations about LAW to be pass ?? Cos I don't understand why you sounding so personal like you a state governor.

If they are irrelevant in making of LAW why did they attack buhari over minimum wage bill??

Is all state in Nigeria the same and have same financial strength??



If it was a LAW for money sharing formula am sure every state governor would submit there report that week....lol

Once again we need there input in making this particular LAW so the minimum wage scenario won't happen again

Do you also realise that states were consulted on minimum wage and they gave divergent views?
That was the crux of their disagreement with Buhari cause he had to do away with their disjointed recommendations.
The way forward is consult with them and move forward. If you are waiting for all the states to be satisfied, it will never happen.
If the states reject it, everyone knows it's the states so they can't complain going forward.
There is a process for amendments which needs to be followed and not all this assignment given to govs to write reports. That's meaningless

JagabanB:
State policing is something that should be done by state by government and federal government, do your part before pointing others to do theirs, submitting your review shows you are in agreement with it.
Small thing, nobody wants to do.
Everybody prefer talking.

Lol.. everyone likes to pass the buck and not take responsibility.