hopefulLandlord:
Work hard to make your heart's desires come true. praying is a futile attempt. there's been no single study that points to prayer being useful. Templeton Foundation (a religious group) ran a study and found that prayers are useless

You would have the same success praying to a milk jug as you do praying to god; the milk jug sometimes answers your prayer the way you want to, sometimes not and sometimes the answer is delayed. See the problem here? If things turn out the way you want them to, you say it was because you prayed. If not, it's because god knows what's best and you didn't pray for the right thing. Or, if it happens 10 years later and you say god answered your prayer, it was just delayed. This is nonsense. You would have the exact same effect doing nothing.

Praying to almighty God is not nonsense. It is overzealous people who have made prayer seem to be what you now make of it. Especially when it comes to prosperity. Man is naturally religious, whether he knows it or not. Man will worship something at some point in his life, even an atheist. So, if a man worships a goat and is blessed, even when the goat disappoints, he continues to worship the goat until something else changes his inclination.

So it is best to give our worship to one by means of which there is existence in the first instance. That makes sense. Nevertheless, how you go about it is another school of thought.

Yes, praying in tongues is the spirit of God praying through you directly to God. You don't understand it, the devil also doesn't and you enemies can't stop it. It is praying the will of God, join us and experience it 😊

I hope you have got your answer

Faith answers their prayers

Does God use ears to hear ? Y'all are mad people

jesusjnr2020:
Therefore you can clearly see that the widely held belief among Christians, that it's with the mouth that confession is made unto salvation didn't come from God but men.

It's men that want to hear what a sinner is saying with their mouth because they are flesh, but God is not flesh like men but Spirit, so God can also hear what man cannot hear, even the silent voice of a man's heart.

Therefore if you're a sinner, you don't need to make any confession with your mouth before God grants you salvation.

All you need is to sincerely repent in your heart when you come before God as that woman with the alabaster box did, and you may not even be able to utter single word out of remorse, but just be crying out your heart to Him in tears, and heaven would already be rejoicing that a sinner has truly come to repentence.

God bless.

You do err trying to attribute that passage of the Bible as man-made.

A sinner must confess with his mouth and believe in his heart what he is saying to receive Jesus..

Or can you tell us why the thief on the cross didn't say it silently in his heart, instead of speaking out to Jesus?

sonnie10:

Is there any deaf or dumb that does not make some sort of audible sound when they communicate (pray) ?
Or are you just worried that God would be unable to interpret/ understand them?

Remember we are talking about the same God that made a even a donkey to talk, on the way to Jehrico

You should know that people who literally have no mouths exist, but you don't because you're man and not God, so thank God it's not up to you or Paul who wrote that saying, otherwise those without mouths to make confessions with unto salvation would have no chance.

This is not about God who can also hear the prayers of the dumb and mouthless, but man who can't but assume such things in the stead of God, from his human limitations and standpoint as though God was as limited as they were to only hear sounds the mouth makes.

Sangoamadioha1:



We don hear😏. Believe anything you want and leave people to believe they want. With all your grand standing, you are just as clueless about life like everyone else. If you don't believe in prayers, keep it to yourself and allow those that believe in prayers do their thing.

How did you interpret my post as me not allowing people who believe in prayers do their thing?

God is a Spirit

While your father is a physical man

If you want to talk to your Father, talk to his hearing

If you want to talk to God, talk to God's hearing

Does spirit have physical ears and eyes like your physical father

NO!

So how then does a Spirit hear you

Through your words, thoughts and actions


Thats why the loudest prayer is the weakest one
And why the concept of a physical building to worship a Spirit is a waste of your precious time

For more context and better understanding

https://www.nairaland.com/8047061/god-truly-spirit

CrossRhodes:

You do err trying to attribute that passage of the Bible as man-made.

A sinner must confess with his mouth and believe in his heart what he is saying to receive Jesus..

Or can you tell us why the thief on the cross didn't say it silently in his heart, instead of speaking out to Jesus?

It's ignorant to think every passage of the Bible is inspired of God, including the sayings of the old serpent.

Starhearts:
Ur sermon is too long.....

Who get time to dey read long epistles

this is what I don't like about his post. He write too long.

jesusjnr2020:
Were Some Prayers Meant For God's Ears Alone?

Hannah in this occasion poured out her heart to God in prayer after she had endured much ridicule and provocation from her rival for being barren:

1 Samuel 1:10-11 (KJV)

And she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed unto the LORD, and wept sore.
And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head.

But this was what Eli, the priest made of her prayer:

1 Samuel 1:12-14 (KJV)

And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the LORD, that Eli marked her mouth.
Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken.
And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.

So because Hannah was praying in her heart to God, and her voice was silent, Eli who didn't understand her pain and what she was going through, just because he couldn't hear what she was saying while pouring out her heart to God, hastily assumed she was drunk and started immediately rebuking her for that.

However, this was what God made of Hannah's prayer which Eli didn't hear or understand.

1 Samuel 1:19-20 (KJV)

And they rose up in the morning early, and worshipped before the LORD, and returned, and came to their house to Ramah: and Elkanah knew Hannah his wife; and the LORD remembered her.
Wherefore it came to pass, when the time was come about after Hannah had conceived, that she bare a son, and called his name Samuel, saying, Because I have asked him of the LORD.

So despite the fact that no one else, including Eli the priest, could hear or understand what Hannah was saying while she prayed to God because she prayed silently from her heart, God heard Hannah's prayer and consequently granted her request.

This proves that God doesn't need any man, including a priest, to hear or understand what you're saying when you pray to answer your prayer.

God bless.

It doesn't matter, whether you are loud like Bartimaeus, desperate like zacchus or quiet like Hannah, he answers everyone. No one size fits all approach to talking to your father

IAmHim1:
God is a Spirit

While your father is a physical man

If you want to talk to your Father, talk to his hearing

If you want to talk to God, talk to God's hearing

Does spirit have physical ears and eyes like your physical father

NO!

So how then does a Spirit hear you

Through your words, thoughts and actions


Thats why the loudest prayer is the weakest one
And why the concept of a physical building to worship a Spirit is a waste of your precious time

For more context and better understanding

https://www.nairaland.com/8047061/god-truly-spirit

It's not a rocket science
Jesus on the cross talked to God in a loud voice
Jesus feeding the 5000, talked to God quietly
Also Jesus sometimes withdrew himself to talk to God

A father knows the voice of his son. Whether you are loud or soft, it doesn't affect the hearing of the father and whether he will answer you

God is a Spirit. Spirits don't talk by moving lips. Lolzzzz

I know you won't believe this but it is what it is
Whatever happens in the spiritual world is automatic

In the physical world, if you want to move from point A To B, you will have to physically move from point A to B

But in the spirit world, it's the opposite

If you want to move from point A to B, all you have to do is THINK ABOUT IT. SIMPLE!!

THINK of being in point B and you will automatically arrive at point B.

The spiritual world is almost a flip of the physical world.
AND GOD IS A SPIRIT, not a man

He sees all and knows all

The same God that is omnipresent and Omni science that sees all and hears all, that's the person you think won't hear your prayers so much that you DISRESPECT GOD by going to a physical building to pray to Him, an Omnipresent Spiritual Being

you have just unknowingly hinted that God is a physical Being that can be found in physical buildings and that alone is disrespectful to your Maker

By praying in loud voices, you have brought judgement upon yourself because you have just unknowingly said 'God MAY NOT hear my prayers so let me pray in a loud voice'

then all your prayers automatically goes to your pastor or any man that is around to hear it since it's ONLY MAN that hears in loud voices

That's why I said THE LOUDEST PRAYER IS THE WEAKEST PRAYER

femi4:
It's not a rocket science
Jesus on the cross talked to God in a loud voice
Jesus feeding the 5000, talked to God quietly
Also Jesus sometimes withdrew himself to talk to God

A father knows the voice of his son. Whether you are loud or soft, it doesn't affect the hearing of the father and whether he will answer you

jesusjnr2020:
It's ignorant to think every passage of the Bible is inspired of God, including the sayings of the old serpent.

I made mention of that passage, you twisted it to every passage...and included serpent

I know who you are ....

jesusjnr2020:
Were Some Prayers Meant For God's Ears Alone?

Hannah in this occasion poured out her heart to God in prayer after she had endured much ridicule and provocation from her rival for being barren:

1 Samuel 1:10-11 (KJV)

And she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed unto the LORD, and wept sore.
And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head.

But this was what Eli, the priest made of her prayer:

1 Samuel 1:12-14 (KJV)

And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the LORD, that Eli marked her mouth.
Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken.
And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.

So because Hannah was praying in her heart to God, and her voice was silent, Eli who didn't understand her pain and what she was going through, just because he couldn't hear what she was saying while pouring out her heart to God, hastily assumed she was drunk and started immediately rebuking her for that.

However, this was what God made of Hannah's prayer which Eli didn't hear or understand.

1 Samuel 1:19-20 (KJV)

And they rose up in the morning early, and worshipped before the LORD, and returned, and came to their house to Ramah: and Elkanah knew Hannah his wife; and the LORD remembered her.
Wherefore it came to pass, when the time was come about after Hannah had conceived, that she bare a son, and called his name Samuel, saying, Because I have asked him of the LORD.

So despite the fact that no one else, including Eli the priest, could hear or understand what Hannah was saying while she prayed to God because she prayed silently from her heart, God heard Hannah's prayer and consequently granted her request.

This proves that God doesn't need any man, including a priest, to hear or understand what you're saying when you pray to answer your prayer.

God bless.

Eli zeal her prayer with his authority as a priest. If Eli didn't pray on top that prayer, she might still be going to Shiloh every year.

CrossRhodes:

I made mention of that passage, you twisted it to every passage...and included serpent

I know who you are ....

Okay you mean you don't believe all passages in the Bible were inspired of God, right?

So why not this particular one which erroneously excludes the possibility of the dumb and mouthless coming to salvation?

Or you believe Jesus didn't shed His blood for them also?

jesusjnr2020:
It means your god doesn't hear the sinner's prayer of the deaf and dumb.

You should know that people who literally have no mouths exist, but you don't because you're man and not God, so thank God it's not up to you or Paul who wrote that saying, otherwise those without mouths to make confessions with unto salvation would have no chance.

This is not about God who can also hear the prayers of the dumb and mouthless, but man who can't but assume such things in the stead of God, from his human limitations and standpoint as though God was as limited as they were to only hear sounds the mouth makes.

When Jesus said ASK AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN What does He meant? Asking with a closed mouth when I am not dumb or what message are you passing?

aktolly54:
Eli zeal her prayer with his authority as a priest. If Eli didn't pray on top that prayer, she might still be going to Shiloh every year.

That we don't know because it didn't say the Lord remembered Eli but Hannah.

What we are sure about though is that Eli didn't hear Hannah's prayer before God answered her prayer.

BeigJawnson:


When Jesus said ASK AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN What does He meant? Asking with a closed mouth when I am not dumb or what message are you passing?

Jesus proves on several occasions He also hears the silent prayers and words not uttered from a person's mouth, so it's best to see things from His perspective to understand better what He says.

Btw, I never said you should ask things with a closed mouth but that God also hears the silent prayers of a man's heart, even those which men cannot hear.

jesusjnr2020:
I also believe a sinner's prayer of repentance wasn't meant for the ears of anyone else but God's alone.



But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

God bless.

Thank you for this piece, the idea of loud prayers have always been alien and illogical to me. The best prayers are silent prayers.

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus proves on several occasions He also hears the silent prayers and words not uttered from a person's mouth, so it's best to see things from His perspective to understand better what He says.

Btw, I never said you should ask things with a closed mouth but that God also hears the silent prayers of a man's heart, even those which men cannot hear.

I know too well that God answers a silent prayer... Now I get your point of view... Thanks brother

jesusjnr2020:
That we don't know because it didn't say the Lord remembered Eli but Hannah.

What we are sure about though is that Eli didn't hear Hannah's prayer before God answered her prayer.

If she insult Eli when he accuse her of drunk, do yiu think her prayer will be accepted? Seems you know Bible,WHAT DID GOD HIMSELF SEAL HER WOMB IN THE FIRST PLACE?

aktolly54:
If she insult Eli when he accuse her of drunk, do yiu think her prayer will be accepted? Seems you know Bible,WHAT DID GOD HIMSELF SEAL HER WOMB IN THE FIRST PLACE?

It's good that you asked the bolded question.

If you were conversant with the Bible, you should see that such is not exclusive to Hannah but a similar pattern observed with certain wombs that birth to and prophetic children, such as, Isaac, Joseph, John the Baptist etc.

So I hope you can see that this had nothing to do with Eli but Hannah and her God who sealed her womb for His own purpose, which is the birth of rare prophet He would use mightily for His glory and to replace the said Eli as judge over His people Israel.

jesusjnr2020:
You should know that people who literally have no mouths exist, but you don't because you're man and not God, so thank God it's not up to you or Paul who wrote that saying, otherwise those without mouths to make confessions with unto salvation would have no chance.

This is not about God who can also hear the prayers of the dumb and mouthless, but man who can't but assume such things in the stead of God, from his human limitations and standpoint as though God was as limited as they were to only hear sounds the mouth makes.

The sounds you make come from your vocal cord. Moreover there is difference between having a mouth and having an orifice . The pictures you attached, what those people are missing is the orifice and not mouth.
Also now that every word in the bible came from God through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. God is the author of the Bible but used these selected humans to pen the words. Therefore the Bible can never be wrong and Paul was not wrong.

sonnie10:

The sounds you make come from your vocal cord. Moreover there is difference between having a mouth and having an orifice . The pictures you attached, what those people are missing is the orifice and not mouth.
Also now that every word in the bible came from God through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. God is the author of the Bible but used these selected humans to pen the words. Therefore the Bible can never be wrong and Paul was not wrong.

The error in that saying is obvious because of the existence of people without mouths, except it came from a god that doesn't care about the salvation of such ones since they can't confess with their mouths unto salvation. If that came from your god, it's certainly not from Mine.

My God is not willing that anyone perishes but that all come to repentance including those who can't confess anything with their mouths because they don't have it. He paid too much of a hefty price to leave out any human out of His plans regardless of their handicap. That's why He uses the hearts instead of mouths as every human has a heart but not mouth.

jesusjnr2020:
The error in that saying is obvious because of the existence of people without mouths, except it came from a god that doesn't care about the salvation of such ones since they can't confess with their mouths unto salvation. If that came from your god, it's certainly not from Mine.

My God is not willing that anyone perishes but that all come to repentance including those who can't confess anything with their mouths because they don't have it. He paid too much of a hefty price to leave out any human out of His plans regardless of their handicap. That's why He uses the hearts instead of mouths as every human has a heart but not mouth.

God is Judge. Isiah 33: 32; palms 75-7 and Roman 2.
Let God be the Judge according to words.
It obvious that if I ask you to point out exactly where your mount is, you will point to your lips. But the mouth extends more than the lips.
The Bible says out of the heart proceeds the issues of life (proverbs 4: 23). The word proceeds indicate a transit point. A medium is needed for this transmission to occur and God created the mouth for that purpose.
Your might want to revive your anatomy text ( and your Bible as well ) to understand the Master’s purpose in his wonderful creation of all men, whether with physical challenges or not.

sonnie10:

God is Judge. Isiah 33: 32; palms 75-7 and Roman 2.
Let God be the Judge according to words.
It obvious that if I ask you to point out exactly where your mount is, you will point to your lips. But the mouth extends more than the lips.
The Bible says out of the heart proceeds the issues of life (proverbs 4: 23). The word proceeds indicate a transit point. A medium is needed for this transmission to occur and God created the mouth for that purpose.
Your might want to revive your anatomy text ( and your Bible as well ) to understand the Master’s purpose in his wonderful creation of all men, whether with physical challenges or not.

My God doesn't look on the outward appearance (mouth) as men do, but judges based on the heart. It's always the heart for God. It may come out of the mouth and it may not but as long as it comes out of the heart, it heard and seen by God.

Except your god is not my God that's when He would need mouth confession from a sinner to be saved. For my God, heart confession is enough. The mouth confession is only a confirmation of what's in the heart not a validation.

So stop confusing yourself. It's either a sinner must make a confession with the mouth to be saved by God otherwise that saying is not true. The sinners without mouth don't need to make confession with their mouths to be saved by my God because my God's salvation isn't restricted to those who have mouths but to all men.

jesusjnr2020:
My God doesn't look on the outward appearance (mouth) as men do, but judges based on the heart. It's always the heart for God. It may come out of the mouth and it may not but as long as it comes out of the heart, it heard and seen by God.

Except your god is not my God that's when He would need mouth confession from a sinner to be saved. For my God, heart confession is enough. The mouth confession is only a confirmation of what's in the heart not a validation.

So stop confusing yourself. It's either a sinner must make a confession with the mouth to be saved by God otherwise that saying is not true. The sinners without mouth don't need to make confession with their mouths to be saved by my God because my God's salvation isn't restricted to those who have mouths but to all men.

God creations are perfect. There is a purpose for every part of your body, to his glory alone.. His words, every hair on your head is numbered and God knows the number of hairs on your head. ( Luke 12 : 7) This is a testimony to his knowledge and need of every part of your body, no exceptions. The mouth is for confession unto salvation, Roman 10 vs 10, this is want his words says. His words can never change.

jesusjnr2020:
Were Some Prayers Meant For God's Ears Alone?

Hannah in this occasion poured out her heart to God in prayer after she had endured much ridicule and provocation from her rival for being barren:

1 Samuel 1:10-11 (KJV)

And she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed unto the LORD, and wept sore.
And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head.

But this was what Eli, the priest made of her prayer:

1 Samuel 1:12-14 (KJV)

And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the LORD, that Eli marked her mouth.
Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken.
And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.

So because Hannah was praying in her heart to God, and her voice was silent, Eli who didn't understand her pain and what she was going through, just because he couldn't hear what she was saying while pouring out her heart to God, hastily assumed she was drunk and started immediately rebuking her for that.

However, this was what God made of Hannah's prayer which Eli didn't hear or understand.

1 Samuel 1:19-20 (KJV)

And they rose up in the morning early, and worshipped before the LORD, and returned, and came to their house to Ramah: and Elkanah knew Hannah his wife; and the LORD remembered her.
Wherefore it came to pass, when the time was come about after Hannah had conceived, that she bare a son, and called his name Samuel, saying, Because I have asked him of the LORD.

So despite the fact that no one else, including Eli the priest, could hear or understand what Hannah was saying while she prayed to God because she prayed silently from her heart, God heard Hannah's prayer and consequently granted her request.

This proves that God doesn't need any man, including a priest, to hear or understand what you're saying when you pray to answer your prayer.

God bless.

In as much you have good intentions about this writeup, I strongly believe you're missing some parts. Let's read the Bible passge again without cutting off a few verses below:

1 Samuel 1:13-18 KJV
Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken. [14] And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee. [15] And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the Lord. [16] Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial: for out of the abundance of my complaint and grief have I spoken hitherto. [17] Then Eli answered and said, Go in peace: and the God of Israel grant thee thy petition that thou hast asked of him. [18] And she said, Let thine handmaid find grace in thy sight. So the woman went her way, and did eat, and her countenance was no more sad.

Remember, as God's children we can't rule out the offices of genuine prophets and pastors. My humble opinion...

2 chronicles 20:20
Matthew 10:41

sonnie10:

God creations are perfect. There is a purpose for every part of your body, to his glory alone.. His words, every hair on your head is numbered and God knows the number of hairs on your head. ( Luke 12 : 7) This is a testimony to his knowledge and need of every part of your body, no exceptions. The mouth is for confession unto salvation, Roman 10 vs 10, this is want his words says. His words can never change.

You're still beating about the bush trying to dodge the glaring fault with your belief. If you believe it's necessary for a sinner to confess with their mouths to be saved, it means your god's salvation was not provided for all man but only those with mouths.

My God's salvation is for all men, so even those without mouths can be saved, because it doesn't require confession with their mouths to be saved as my God looks at the hearts of man not their mouths.

A mortal man made a erroneous saying inspired of his flesh and the spiritually blind automatically take it to be the Word of God, just because it's in the Bible even though it clearly contradicts the Character and Will of God for all men. Even when they're corrected, they keep arguing blindly instead of taking correction. Continue taking that the error of man as the Word of God and still expect God to back you up.