MaxInDHouse:
You're missing the point in what you're quoting!

The quotation is straight forward English.

The name isn't IMPORTANT if not God would've preserved the pronunciation.

What is the ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION of the name Jesus?

If you asked any Hebrew man, you'll get the pronunciation.

If it's important that we stick to it's original pronunciation then there's no reason why we should translate or transliterate it.

Olodo....we translate because we switched from one Lang to another if you are a native speaker of Greek or Hebrew, you will pronounce the original.

I am Akeem if i travel to Brazil and i happen to have a friend he can't think of translating my name nah he must pronounce it exactly as i told him.

Firstly, this shows that you know the PRONUNCIATION of your name. You can't tell someone what you don't know in the first place. Pronunciation is key in communication because you can say something that will lead you to trouble by pronouncing it wrongly.

In fact, like Yoruba lang signs are used to differentiate two words that have the same spelling. Why? To pass the accurate message.

Secondly, even given that you know the pronunciation, you're just telling the Brazilian your name not that you want to pass a message to the Brazilian in his/her native language.

Lastly, If you want to pass any information you must TRANSLATE to the native language.

Or in NWT Yoruba version did it retain the English Jehovah?

You're just dancing around because watchtower also informed that "...and Bible names generally have been translated rather than transliterated." Awake! 1973 March 22 p.27

You can keep dancing around but truth shall set your free.

That's the import of the comment you kept quoting!

It's not!

"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use..."

The importance are:
1. God original pronunciation is lost
2. If the pronunciation can be lost
3. Then it means it's not important for us to USE.
4. If not God would've preserved it.

This isn't a big grammar just plain English.

Emusan:

The quotation is straight forward English.
The name isn't IMPORTANT if not God would've preserved the pronunciation.
If you asked any Hebrew man, you'll get the pronunciation.
Olodo....we translate because we switched from one Lang to another if you are a native speaker of Greek or Hebrew, you will pronounce the original.
Firstly, this shows that you know the PRONUNCIATION of your name. You can't tell someone what you don't know in the first place. Pronunciation is key in communication because you can say something that will lead you to trouble by pronouncing it wrongly.
In fact, like Yoruba lang signs are used to differentiate two words that have the same spelling. Why? To pass the accurate message.
Secondly, even given that you know the pronunciation, you're just telling the Brazilian your name not that you want to pass a message to the Brazilian in his/her native language.
Lastly, If you want to pass any information you must TRANSLATE to the native language.
Or in NWT Yoruba version did it retain the English Jehovah?
You're just dancing around because watchtower also informed that "...and Bible names generally have been translated rather than transliterated." Awake! 1973 March 22 p.27
You can keep dancing around but truth shall set your free.
It's not!
"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use..."
The importance are:
1. God original pronunciation is lost
2. If the pronunciation can be lost
3. Then it means it's not important for us to USE.
4. If not God would've preserved it.
This isn't a big grammar just plain English.

Ọmọ you can't change the truth the Hebrew names changed to Joseph or Benjamin today is not the original pronunciation in that language because there was no letter "J" in the original Hebrew language so if they don't want the translations JEHOVAH then they shouldn't have named their most cherished city "JERUSALEM" and funny enough their president is named "BENJAMIN"

Do you now see the reason why nobody can rightly condemned the name JEHOVAH or JESUS in Israel?

So if it's important that we stick to the original pronunciation then there's no reason for translation of those names!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you can't change the truth the Hebrew names changed to Joseph or Benjamin today is not the original pronunciation in that language because there was no letter "J" in the original Hebrew language so if they don't want the translations JEHOVAH then they shouldn't have named their most cherished city "JERUSALEM" and funny enough their president is named "BENJAMIN"

You still don't get.

This isn't about Translation.

AYO in Yoruba is JOY in English

Both aren't the same in pronunciation.

Hebrew Yeshua can't be written as Yeshua in English because they're of two different languages.

Do you now see the reason why nobody can rightly condemned the name JEHOVAH or JESUS in Israel?

Problem with Jehovah is that it was WRONGLY FORMED while Jesus was TRANSLATED just as AYO will be translated as JOY.

So nobody is talking about TRANSLATION HERE.

Secondly, the name Jehovah isn't IMPORTANT for us to use because if it does, the pronunciation wouldn't have lost. Watchtower agreed with this.

So, evidence throughout the NT is that the name Jesus (because we're discussing in English if our discussion is in Yoruba I'll use JESU or in Hebrew I'll use Yeshua) is the ONLY NAME GIVEN UNDER HEAVEN THAT MAN MUST BE SAVED.

The same name is what Jesus said people will be witnessing and people will be persecuted on.

So, just provide single place where the NAME JEHOVAH was used by early Christians for anything. That's the challenge you still couldn't take up since.

So if it's important that we stick to the original pronunciation then there's no reason for translation of those names!

Just like I said, without correct pronunciation you can't pass any message successfully.

For instance, if AYO in Yoruba is pronounced as AJO an English might not know you're talking about JOY.

So if the name is so important God wouldn't have allowed the pronunciation to be lost.

That is the fact.

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It's evident you don't understand the POV on this thread but let me make simpler for you.

1. Nobody is arguing about letter 'J' being used
2. The discussion isn't about translation

The discussion is centred on:
1. The usage of it, as there's no any known NT manuscripts with name we have today.
2. Jehovah is even a wrong formulation Yahweh is more accurate.
3. The name isn't important as Watchtower explained.
4. Throughout the NT the ONLY NAME used is JESUS.

Hope I've come down to your level this time?

Emusan:

just provide single place where the NAME JEHOVAH was used by early Christians for anything. That's the challenge you still couldn't take up since.

Even if i do you will not accept it because you're bent on discrediting God's personal name!

And everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved.”’ Act 2:21

For “everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved.” Romans 10:13

Here Peter and Paul quoted the prophet Joel:

And everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as JEHOVAH has said, The survivors whom JEHOVAH calls.” Joel 2:32

Check your KJV you will notice that the LORD there is in capital but trinitarians changed all to seem as if there's no difference between the two persons David referred to at Psalms 110:1

JEHOVAH declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1

The divine name is spelt out so whether we know it's original pronunciation or not God has a PERSONAL NAME!

MaxInDHouse:
Even if i do you will not accept it because you're bent on discrediting God's personal name!

If your evidence is solid, of course I will.

I'm not follower of Satan who will see fact and reject it.

And everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved.”’ Act 2:21

For “everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved.” Romans 10:13

Here Peter and Paul quoted the prophet Joel:

And everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as JEHOVAH has said, The survivors whom JEHOVAH calls.” Joel 2:32

I'm glad you said IT'S A QUOTE and I've given you more than enough evidence why no one will UTTER THAT NAME during the time of Jesus not even when both Jesus and His disciples were under the watch of the Pharisees to find little thing to accuse them for.

Also, your quotation came from NWT only, yet you mention another translation below for comparison. Why?

Lastly, both Peter and Paul were talking about Jesus Christ so applying OT to Jesus isn't new. Only a dishonest person will say otherwise.

Check your KJV you will notice that the LORD there is in capital but trinitarians changed all to seem as if there's no difference between the two persons David referred to at Psalms 110:1

JEHOVAH declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1

This is also quotation.

I'm expecting you to provide the NT manuscripts that was discovered to support your claim.

YHWH never appeared in the NT, how many times will this be hammer into your head.

Emphatic Dialogue and Kingdom interlinear never used JEHOVAH in any place in the NT.

You can only proof me wrong be providing the manuscripts that contain the name.

The divine name is spelt out so whether we know it's original pronunciation or not God has a PERSONAL NAME!

So, how will you make use of the name YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE?

That's impossible.

Meanwhile, USAGE IS DIFFERENT FROM Quote

Compare this with what you quoted above:

Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said to him: "Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel."

Acts 1:8 "YOU will be witnesses of me (Jesus) both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de´a and Sa·mar´i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."

Revelation 12:17 "So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus."

Mark 9:38-39 "John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us." But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;"

1 Corin 1:2 "I am writing to God’s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."

These are direct usage of Jesus name because it's the ONLY NAME for us today and Jesus is the one we need to witness to.

Jehovah isn't important that why God didn't bother to preserve its pronunciation.

Emusan:

If your evidence is solid, of course I will.
I'm not follower of Satan who will see fact and reject it. I'm glad you said IT'S A QUOTE and I've given you more than enough evidence why no one will UTTER THAT NAME during the time of Jesus not even when both Jesus and His disciples were under the watch of the Pharisees to find little thing to accuse them for. Also, your quotation came from NWT only, yet you mention another translation below for comparison. Why? Lastly, both Peter and Paul were talking about Jesus Christ so applying OT to Jesus isn't new. Only a dishonest person will say otherwise. This is also quotation. I'm expecting you to provide the NT manuscripts that was discovered to support your claim.
YHWH never appeared in the NT, how many times will this be hammer into your head.
Emphatic Dialogue and Kingdom interlinear never used JEHOVAH in any place in the NT.
You can only proof me wrong be providing the manuscripts that contain the name. So, how will you make use of the name YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE? That's impossible.
Meanwhile, USAGE IS DIFFERENT FROM Quote

Compare this with what you quoted above:
Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said to him: "Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel."
Acts 1:8 "YOU will be witnesses of me (Jesus) both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de´a and Sa·mar´i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."
Revelation 12:17 "So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus."
Mark 9:38-39 "John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us." But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;"
1 Corin 1:2 "I am writing to God’s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."
These are direct usage of Jesus name because it's the ONLY NAME for us today and Jesus is the one we need to witness to.
Jehovah isn't important that why God didn't bother to preserve its pronunciation.

You see what i said?

Guy you only want attention and i've given you enough if you don't agree with what Jesus and his disciples quoted there's no need arguing further.

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

MaxInDHouse:
You see what i said?

Guy you only want attention and i've given you enough if you don't agree with what Jesus and his disciples quoted there's no need arguing further.

The person who wants attention won't come up with facts.

You're the one who has never provided a single fact to back up your claim.

I repeat, Emphatic Diaglott and Kingdom interlinear (Both Watchtower works) don't have the name Jehovah in any NT.

See screenshot below how Rom 10:13 was translated, what did you see? Lord not YHWH or Jehovah.

And to crown it all, Watchtower made it clear that the use of the name isn't IMPORTANT as God doesn't see the need to preserve the PRONUNCIATION.

You can't eat your cake and also have it.

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

You can call yourself anything but the truth remains the truth as the saying goes "You use scripture to form doctrines but you can't use doctrines to form the scripture."

Emusan:


The person who wants attention won't come up with facts.

You're the one who has never provided a single fact to back up your claim.

I repeat, Emphatic Diaglott and Kingdom interlinear (Both Watchtower works) don't have the name Jehovah in any NT.

See screenshot below how Rom 10:13 was translated, what did you see? Lord not YHWH or Jehovah.

And to crown it all, Watchtower made it clear that the use of the name isn't IMPORTANT as God doesn't see the need to preserve the PRONUNCIATION.

You can't eat your cake and also have it.



You can call yourself anything but the truth remains the truth as the saying goes "You use scripture to form doctrines but you can't use doctrines to form the scripture."

If you want to discuss on WITNESSING you can start a thread on the topic so interested ones will join you but as for us we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES even Jesus is a witness of our God:

and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. Revelations 1:5

Jesus bear WITNESS to JEHOVAH! John 17:6, 26

MaxInDHouse:


If you want to discuss on WITNESSING you can start a thread on the topic so interested ones will join you but as for us we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES even Jesus is a witness of our God:

and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. Revelations 1:5

Jesus bear WITNESS to JEHOVAH! John 17:6, 26

You guys should leave Mr Emusan alone.
I gave up on him when He agreed that it was 'Jesus' that told 'Jesus' to sit at his right hand in psalm 110:1.
How could you possibly reason with such a person that made sense out of that statement?
So just leave him.

Michael547:

You guys should leave Mr Emusan alone.
I gave up on him when He agreed that it was 'Jesus' that told 'Jesus' to sit at his right hand in psalm 110:1.
How could you possibly reason with such a person that made sense out of that statement?
So just leave him.

EXACTLY!

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to discuss on WITNESSING you can start a thread on the topic so interested ones will join you but as for us we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES even Jesus is a witness of our God:

I don't need to start a thread and the POV.

The Father is ALSO A WITNESS to Jesus Christ

The Holy Spirit is also a Witness to Jesus Christ

and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. Revelations 1:5

Jesus bear WITNESS to JEHOVAH! John 17:6, 26 [/quote]

The Father bears witness of Jesus John 8:18

So focus on the POV.

It's evident you don't have proof to support your claim.

As it stands now:
1. Jesus never used the name YHWH
2. The name YHWH never appears in the NT.
3. So any translation that includes it in the NT is fraudulent.

Michael547:

You guys should leave Mr Emusan alone.

Now you have chicken out of your hidden busstop.

I gave up on him when He agreed that it was 'Jesus' that told 'Jesus' to sit at his right hand in psalm 110:1.

Provide where I agreed on this.

Lying liar Jws.

How could you possibly reason with such a person that made sense out of that statement?
So just leave him.

When you don't even have sense to reason in the first place.

So, it must be very difficult for you to understand simple sentences.

Emusan:


I don't need to start a thread and the POV.

The Father is ALSO A WITNESS to Jesus Christ

The Holy Spirit is also a Witness to Jesus Christ

and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. Revelations 1:5

Jesus bear WITNESS to JEHOVAH! John 17:6, 26

The Father bears witness of Jesus John 8:18

So focus on the POV.

It's evident you don't have proof to support your claim.

As it stands now:
1. Jesus never used the name YHWH
2. The name YHWH never appears in the NT.
3. So any translation that includes it in the NT is fraudulent.

OK as you wish!

MaxInDHouse:


OK as you wish!

Confirmed!!!

Emusan:

Confirmed!!!

OK!

MaxInDHouse:

OK!

Good boy