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No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 3:38pm On May 05
This is not in anyway to condone sin.

But as Christians, we all know that unbelievers go to hellfire when they die in their sin because no Grace for them.
Another gospel of Grace teaches that a believer will also go to hellfire when he or she die in their sin. The question now is, where is then the Grace?

It's like these people love contradiction so much cheesy
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 8:38am On May 10
paxonel:
This is not in anyway to condone sin.

But as Christians, we all know that unbelievers go to hellfire when they die in their sin because no Grace for them.
Another gospel of Grace teaches that a believer will also go to hellfire when he or she die in their sin. The question now is, where is then the Grace?

It's like these people love contradiction so much cheesy
What exactly is this grace that you are referring to?

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Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 11:43am On May 10
Michael547:

What exactly is this grace that you are referring to?

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 11:48am On May 10
paxonel:


John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
What exactly is grace? That is the question.
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 4:10pm On May 10
Michael547:

What exactly is grace? That is the question.

Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 10:08pm On May 10
[quote author=paxonel post=129886004][/quote]
Alright....So you are saying that I can behave anyhow I like as a believer of christ and still enter heaven because I have Grace, right?
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 2:17am On May 11
Michael547:

Alright....So you are saying that I can behave anyhow I like as a believer of christ and still enter heaven because I have Grace, right?
Do you want to behave anyhow, is that what you want to do simply because you have grace?

Now, you choose what you want to do, like what he has said, all power have been given to you.
Because me i don't have power over your actions. My own is to do the right thing always because the grace i have, has absolutely nothing to do with what i do. He said my kingdom is not of this world.

But what is certain for sure is, whatsoever we sow in this world, that is what we are going to reap
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 5:33am On May 11
paxonel:

Do you want to behave anyhow, is that what you want to do simply because you have grace?

Now, you choose what you want to do, like what he has said, all power have been given to you.
Because me i don't have power over your actions. My own is to do the right thing always because the grace i have, has absolutely nothing to do with what i do. He said my kingdom is not of this world.

But what is certain for sure is, whatsoever we sow in this world, that is what we are going to reap
Oga you did not answer the question. Will I still make heaven even though I behave anyhow since I have grace?
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 5:44am On May 11
Michael547:

Oga you did not answer the question. Will I still make heaven even though I behave anyhow since I have grace?
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Your redemption is not in you behaving anyhow or not.
It is in Christ Jesus
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 6:02am On May 11
paxonel:

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Your redemption is not in you behaving anyhow or not.
It is in Christ Jesus
Meaning that no matter what I do, I will enter heaven, yes or no?
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 6:06am On May 11
Michael547:

Meaning that no matter what I do, I will enter heaven, yes or no?
What else do you think about the scripture?
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 6:17am On May 11
paxonel:

What else do you think about the scripture?
Lol....answer yes or no na.
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 6:19am On May 11
Michael547:

Lol....answer yes or no na.
I should answer yes or no as if na me talk am? grin

dey their now grin
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:52am On May 11
Michael547:

Lol....answer yes or no na.
If that's the case then i should have married the young lady (Grace) she lived next to my apartment back in the late 90s so whatever i choose to do later makes no difference since i have Grace! undecided
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 7:10am On May 11
paxonel:

I should answer yes or no as if na me talk am? grin

dey their now grin
E no sure for you be that....you sef no dey convinced about your teaching
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 7:16am On May 11
Michael547:

E no sure for you be that....you sef no dey convinced about your teaching
Like how?
Someone said something and i believe what he said.
You ask me the same thing and i show you the person that said it that made me to believe.

How then does that prove that I'm not convinced or are you me ?
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:16am On May 11
Michael547:

E no sure for you be that....you sef no dey convinced about your teaching

What do you expect?

Jesus sent out his disciples to go and meet people in their homes, preach and teach them what he taught in the Bible {Matthew 28:19-20} but Satan initiated thousands of different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming Christians and they're not ready to go and meet people in their homes just as Jesus commanded his own disciples.
Surely such ones only carry the name "JESUS" in their heads they can't explain what he taught nah!

Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:20am On May 11
paxonel:

Like how?
Someone said something and i believe what he said.
You ask me the same thing and i show you the person that said it that made me to believe.
How then does that prove that I'm not convinced?

Conviction is ability to EXPLAIN to others what you read if you can't convince others then the book in your hand is useless.
Imagine someone coming to you for the first time without prior knowledge of what the book contains will you just believe what he read out simply because it was written?
Most of you only claim you believe because that's what your parents or people around you also say you're not really convinced about what is written in the book!
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 7:21am On May 11
paxonel:

Like how?
Someone said something and i believe what he said.
You ask me the same thing and i show you the person that said it that made me to believe.

How then does that prove that I'm not convinced or are you me ?
Did Jesus say that no matter what I do, I will enter heaven? Yes or no?
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 7:28am On May 11
MaxInDHouse:


Conviction is ability to EXPLAIN to others what you read if you can't convince others then the book in your hand is useless.
Imagine someone coming to you for the first time without prior knowledge of what the book contains will you just believe what he read out simply because it was written?
Most of you only claim you believe because that's what your parents or people around you also say you're not really convinced about what is written in the book!
Conviction is personal.
If you are not the person that is convinced you can't track it
You can't pin it down
You can only assume.
And your assumption can never be right about the person because the human mind is dynamic in thinking.

And moreover, you can't tell a 6 years old child to explain what he believe.
With what words can he possibly use to do the explanation?

He has believe, that is the most important thing
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 7:31am On May 11
Michael547:

Did Jesus say that no matter what I do, I will enter heaven? Yes or no?
.
Ok, I'm out grin grin grin
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 7:31am On May 11
paxonel:
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Ok, I'm out grin grin grin
Lol...OK bye bye
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 7:36am On May 11
Next person grin
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Veecruz: 8:02am On May 11
paxonel:
This is not in anyway to condone sin.

But as Christians, we all know that unbelievers go to hellfire when they die in their sin because no Grace for them.
Another gospel of Grace teaches that a believer will also go to hellfire when he or she die in their sin. The question now is, where is then the Grace?

It's like these people love contradiction so much cheesy

You do not wholly know what grace is?

Grace is the dicretionary exercise of a right in a way that benefits another person as confirmed by your A and B definition.

Thus the grace is that even though you knew not to sin, you sinned, and you know that by Law,you must be punished for your sins, but God Rather chose to exercise another of His Rights and Powers, which is The His Right of granting Amnesty/Pardon and over ruling the Application and Execution of The Law of sin and punishment.

So if Amnesty/Pardon which was discretionarily exercised has been given you and then you return to sin, do you not place yourself at the risk of not getting that Amnesty/Pardon again?

Infact, if you already know that if you have been forgiven once, you won't get forgiveness again.

So, you know that you have exhausted and used up your grace.
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Veecruz: 8:17am On May 11
paxonel:

Do you want to behave anyhow, is that what you want to do simply because you have grace? ..

Fallacy of reversing and switching the burden of proof! He asked you his question first and you are supposed to have answered it first before you asked yours, if indeed you are interested in a fair and just debate.

Micheal547 be aware of bad and fallty arguments
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Veecruz: 8:20am On May 11
paxonel:
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Ok, I'm out grin grin grin

See! Now you run! grin grin grin
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 8:21am On May 11
Veecruz:


You do not wholly know what grace is?

Grace is the dicretionary exercise of a right in a way that benefits another person as confirmed by your A and B definition.

Thus the grace is that even though you knew not to sin, you sinned, and you know that by Law,you must be punished for your sins, but God Rather chose to exercise another of His Rights and Powers, which is The His Right of granting Amnesty/Pardon and over ruling the Application and Execution of The Law of sin and punishment.

So if Amnesty/Pardon which was discretionarily exercised has been given you and then you return to sin, do you not place yourself at the risk of not getting that Amnesty/Pardon again?

Infact, if you already know that if you have been forgiven once, you won't get forgiveness again.

So, you know that you have exhausted and used up your grace.


Thanks baba for this explanation...the guy is confused that is why he is unable to answer my questions definitively.
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 8:24am On May 11
Veecruz:


See! Now you run! grin grin grin
Don't mind him....he is not even sure of his teachings 😁😁
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Veecruz: 8:40am On May 11
Michael547:

Thanks baba for this explanation...the guy is confused that is why he is unable to answer my questions definitively.

He is not confused. He is just a person who loves deceit and needs to deceive himself with wishes and delusuons since he saw that God cut him off. So he is looking for every backdoor and window to use to deceive God and say to God "your words said" to sneak in.
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Michael547(m): 8:42am On May 11
Veecruz:


He is not confused. He is just a person who loves deceit and needs to deceive himself with wishes and delusuons since he saw that God cut him off. So he is looking for every backdoor and window to use to deceive God and say to God "your words said" to sneak in.
Lol...ok
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by Veecruz: 8:43am On May 11
Michael547:

Don't mind him....he is not even sure of his teachings 😁😁

That's how lies are. No one can stand on a Lie, not even the liar.
Re: No Grace In The Gospel Of Grace Sayin If A Believer Die In Sin, He Is Not Saved by paxonel(m): 9:24am On May 11
Veecruz:


So, you know that you have exhausted and used up your grace.
do you have any scriptural reference in support of this?

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