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Re: What Do We Do With Paul's Revelation? by newmi(m): 1:58pm On Nov 28, 2011
Image123:

It's already answered if you've been reading the thread and what the likes of nlmediator are saying. Putting Paul in bad light by claiming that he has greater light and greater truth, and that he came to show us the way to salvation, and that others are writing milk and unskilled quality is very childish and fleshly, if not progressing towards blasphemy and heresy.
Can you stop evading the question, the question l asked is not about the superiority or inferiority of Paul's teachings. Assume you need a recap:
". . .but what wrong would it do if the name of the apostle Paul
in mentioned in the success story, l don' t think it would change anything or would it"
pls would it change anything to recognize the achievements of the apostle Paul through the ministry of God's Spirit
Re: What Do We Do With Paul's Revelation? by aletheia(m): 10:19pm On Nov 28, 2011
One man elevates Paul to the status of super-Apostle, another considers Paul a heretic. To both, this scripture is apropos:
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2Pe 3:16)
Re: What Do We Do With Paul's Revelation? by Image123(m): 11:01pm On Nov 28, 2011
newmi:

Can you stop evading the question, the question l asked is not about the superiority or inferiority of Paul's teachings. Assume you need a recap:
". . .but what wrong would it do if the name of the apostle Paul
in mentioned in the success story, l don' t think it would change anything or would it"
pls would it change anything to recognize the achievements of the apostle Paul through the ministry of God's Spirit
Already answered your question, just that you don't want that answer. Again, i'll answer and say yes, it would be carnal and unwarranted. All scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, godliness, instruction in righteousness, not for elevation of man and giving of titles, sainthoods and national awards.
Re: What Do We Do With Paul's Revelation? by Joagbaje(m): 6:12am On Nov 29, 2011
nlMediator:

I don’t know if you if you realize you’re making my point and undermining yours. First, the question on this thread is not whether tithing is valid, but whether Paul preached it. Second, I’ve been consistently using ‘foundational’ in this discussion in the same sense you mentioned – as an important first step upon which other steps are built. Third, stating that tithing is dispensational means that you agree that this “deep truth” was revealed to others before Paul – the same point I’ve been making that God has been revealing deep truths way before Paul. All of these suggest that we can find the whole truth in the whole Bible, not by isolating one writer and claiming that he has all the revelation we need.

I find it interesting that you continue to link Paul to tithing. I’ve been in several churches and each time I’ve heard the tithe message preached, nobody has ever referred to Paul. It’s always to Genesis (Abram) and Malachi (and sometimes Leviticus). That you want to link Paul to it suggests you understand that for both your doctrine of tithes in the modern Church and your elevation of Paul to hold true, you must claim that Paul preached on tithes. But the questions you cannot answer are: If he wanted to talk about tithes, why not do what every writer on tithes have done – use the word “tithe”? Why bring it in indirectly, especially when Paul is well-known for being direct?

Tithes and offerings were part of way of life in worship of God, it transcends dispensation. Paul didn't need to have sermon on that. If he hadn't mentioned honouring parents, you would have thought it was done away with the law also. These institutions are based on spiritual principles. They are eternal. There are others such as intercesion, worship, singing, prayers, moral life and fasting etc. they are beyond commandments ,they are based on spiritual principles . They don't pass away.

I don’t know why it is hard for you understand that God can abolish tithes without abolishing giving.

God never abolished tithing. Can you quote any scripture where God said so.

Especially when the basis for God-instituted tithe (not the voluntary one) is clearly spelt out in the Bible (the levites did not inherit land) and God do away with the instruction when the same circumstances are no longer present.

That was only under Levitical priest hood. Tithing and offerings were in existence before the Jewish nation and the Levitical system. The institution of tithes and offerings are eternal part of God worship . Principles are always consistent.

To answer your question directly, I believe in giving and so does Paul and my church.

If you believe in giving offerings, then you should give tithes also, because they are based on same rincipkes of worship.

I have my own question for you too: why did Jesus teach Kenneth Hagin about the believer’s authority by referencing the gospels and other writers besides Paul, when Paul alone would have been sufficient as the apostle to the gentiles?

The principles of God transcends dispensations. There are things under the law that are still valid today because they are based on spiritual laws and principles.  We should study genesis to revelation. They are scriptures for us. But if a man must mature in understanding. He needs to major in the epistles. It's about what the epistles contain.
Re: What Do We Do With Paul's Revelation? by Joagbaje(m): 6:16am On Nov 29, 2011
Image123:

Paul himself didn't give himself such flattery.

1 Corinthians 15:10
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.


The Word of God is 66books authored by God. One part is not more inspired than the other. No need calling names, Paul has his reward from God. If you want to call Paul in this story, then do diligence to call others too to the parti.

It's the content of the epistle that is the issue ,not the person.
Re: What Do We Do With Paul's Revelation? by Image123(m): 2:26pm On Nov 29, 2011
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Are you exactly quoting that to say Paul flattered himself?

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