Ufeolorun:

You definitely making sense here.   

This is (quote in bold) what we refer to in modern term as  patriotism and I  think the more passionate (connected) you are about the society you live in, the less room you have for detrimental actions whether  from within or outside.We have had people in the past with a very strong ethnic/tribal inclination and they were very effective politically but they end up being labelled/called bigots and tribalists by some people,they also became targets for all sorts of stuffs.

Nigeria has a dysfunctional federal system where someone who has never visited or does not even care about a state is given power to decide what happens in such state and you know what that means.

I agree

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Abi o

Nice videos though.

Revolva:

Well its gonna die, if we marry each other intertribal Marriage . and we gonna soon kill tribalism in us, its better

stop your negative thoughts and go kill yourself.

Nigeria has a dysfunctional federal system where someone who has never visited or does not even care about a state is given power to decide what happens in such state and you know what that means.

It makes sense. Nigeria needs to evolve into a tribal based confederacy. The Europeans might call it a devolution, but Africans evolved into these political systems for a reason. They do not live in homogenous societies like Europe, and Africa does not want to see the genocides Europe saw in the dark ages, colonial period, and even modern times.

A simple look at Libya which has had some few hundred years of Arab colonization and we can see that even once many of the cultural/language barriers between tribes are broken down, the political entity of the tribe itself does not allow for the smooth functioning of a centralized state.

The impediment of the tribe remains the same, so would people rather lose the culture and possibly but less likely the language of their tribe. Or would they rather keep everything? Either way the "tribal problem" never ends. In Europe it even exists, they just managed to give each tribe its own country or autonomous regions within countries like Spain. This is 1000 years after Roman culture broke down almost all tribal differences.

stop your negative thoughts and go kill yourself. Angry

I always admire your pride. I know at times it must not be easy to do what you do, but I admire you for it. Please continue the good fight.

BlackLibya:

I always admire your pride. I know at times it must not be easy to do what you do, but I admire you for it. Please continue the good fight.

thank you Sir. however, i would prerfer if all my tribal brothers took a more actival role and supported me to.

BlackLibya:

It makes sense. [size=32pt]Nigeria needs to evolve into a tribal based confederacy[/size]. The Europeans might call it a devolution, but Africans evolved into these political systems for a reason. They do not live in homogenous societies like Europe, and Africa does not want to see the genocides Europe saw in the dark ages, colonial period, and even modern times.

A simple look at Libya which has had some few hundred years of Arab colonization and we can see that even once many of the cultural/language barriers between tribes are broken down, the political entity of the tribe itself does not allow for the smooth functioning of a centralized state.

The impediment of the tribe remains the same, so would people rather lose the culture and possibly but less likely the language of their tribe. Or would they rather keep everything? Either way the "tribal problem" never ends. In Europe it even exists, they just managed to give each tribe its own country or autonomous regions within countries like Spain. This is 1000 years after Roman culture broke down almost all tribal differences.

Europe destroyed almost[b] ALL [/b] her tribes by 1000-1200 A.D. the Saxons, Goths, Viking, Celts, etc are tribes that are all extinct today, after the advent of christianity and its detribalizing efforts. TODAY, Europe has a hybrid culture, which is why people hardly care about issues such as preserving their culture, morals, etc. Europe has failed on its identiy and cultural grounds.

Someone needs to explain what "tribal culture" is first.

Europe destroyed almost ALL her tribes by 1000-1200 A.D. the Saxons, Goths, Viking, Celts, etc are tribes that are all extinct today, after the advent of christianity and its detribalizing efforts. TODAY, Europe has a hybrid culture, which is why people hardly care about issues such as preserving their culture, morals, etc. Europe has failed on its identiy and cultural grounds.

So very true.

Someone needs to explain what "tribal culture" is first.

Tribal culture is the original culture practiced by a group of people who trace their ancestry to a common man or woman.

It is their set of beliefs, values, clothes, language, economy, and government that they have practiced in accordance with their traditional beliefs.

Tribal culture is stronger than national culture. Unless the tribe itself is a nation.

BlackLibya:

It makes sense. Nigeria needs to evolve into a tribal based confederacy. The Europeans might call it a devolution, but Africans evolved into these political systems for a reason. They do not live in homogenous societies like Europe, and Africa does not want to see the genocides Europe saw in the dark ages, colonial period, and even modern times.

A simple look at Libya which has had some few hundred years of Arab colonization and we can see that even once many of the cultural/language barriers between tribes are broken down, the political entity of the tribe itself does not allow for the smooth functioning of a centralized state.

The impediment of the tribe remains the same, so would people rather lose the culture and possibly but less likely the language of their tribe. Or would they rather keep everything? Either way the "tribal problem" never ends. In Europe it even exists, they just managed to give each tribe its own country or autonomous regions within countries like Spain. This is 1000 years after Roman culture broke down almost all tribal differences.

Tribal confederacy?nice one.
I sometimes fiddle with same idea like I said earlier people who have shown strong committment to society in the past have always been people with strong cultural identity(Awolowo,Ajasin,adesanya,Ahmadu bello,Saro wiwa) compared to these sexually disturbed,money grabbing louts parading themselves as leaders today.
They have no identity no pride hence they easily are convinced to mess about with serious issues .Religion( am a Christian) has also made people to be out of touch with the society they live in(Nigeria),there are people who are more loyal to Jerusalem/Isreal or Arabia/ Mecca than to the society they live in.
This is one of the reasons I think a state like China will continue to censor whatever comes in as they march into the future made possible through internal strength and cohesion.

Ufeolorun:

Tribal confederacy?nice one.
I sometimes fiddle with same idea like I said earlier people who have shown strong committment to society in the past have always been people with strong cultural identity(Awolowo,Ajasin,adesanya,Ahmadu bello,Saro wiwa) compared to these sexually disturbed,money grabbing louts parading themselves as leaders today.
They have no identity no pride hence they easily are convinced to mess about with serious issues .Religion( am a Christian) has also made people to be out of touch with the society they live in(Nigeria),there are people who are more loyal to Jerusalem/Isreal or Arabia/ Mecca than to the society they live in.
[size=16pt]This is one of the reasons I think a state like China will continue to censor whatever comes in as they march into the future made possible through internal strength and cohesion.[/size]

HEAR! HEAR!

Ufeolorun:

Tribal confederacy?nice one.
I sometimes fiddle with same idea like I said earlier people who have shown strong committment to society in the past have always been people with strong cultural identity(Awolowo,Ajasin,adesanya,Ahmadu bello,Saro wiwa) compared to these sexually disturbed,money grabbing louts parading themselves as leaders today.
They have no identity no pride hence they easily are convinced to mess about with serious issues .Religion( am a Christian) has also made people to be out of touch with the society they live in(Nigeria),there are people who are more loyal to Jerusalem/Isreal or Arabia/ Mecca than to the society they live in.
This is one of the reasons I think a state like China will continue to censor whatever comes in as they march into the future made possible through internal strength and cohesion.

Excellent statement

BlackLibya:

Tribal culture is the original culture practiced by a group of people who trace their ancestry to a common man or woman.

It is their set of beliefs, values, clothes, language, economy, and government that they have practiced in accordance with their traditional beliefs.

Tribal culture is stronger than national culture. Unless the tribe itself is a nation.

Then many Nigerian groups don't have a tribal culture since they don't trace their ancestry to a common family.

ezeagu:

Then many Nigerian groups don't have a tribal culture since they don't trace their ancestry to a common family.

let me correct that. Mr. BlackLibya is talking about blood kinship/ blood brotherhood. for e.g., all Yoruba have the same genetics which differs from say, us Hausa peoples.

Then groups like the Han, Aztec, and Germans are a tribe?

ezeagu:

Then groups like the Han, Aztec, and Germans are a tribe?

The Han and Aztec are tribes.

The germans are not a tribe. they are mixed people. they lost their tribes, i.e. the Saxons, Angles, Jutes, etc after the advent of christianity. there are now a mixed peoples.

But Saxons and Angles are from Germany. Germans didn't come from them. And by that definition (mixing of peoples makes a people not a tribe) few people on earth are part of tribes.

african culture and tradition is very dirty, ugly and scary anyway, i dont give a F%$#k if it fades or not,

kl2020:

african culture and tradition is very dirty, ugly and scary anyway, i dont give a F%$#k if it fades or not,

Stay in ATL eating cryogenic cheese.

kl2020:

african culture and tradition is very dirty, ugly and scary anyway, i dont give a F%$#k if it fades or not,

That's your opinion and should we care that MR. ATL doesn't care about african culture.

You don't care for african culture but you are in a nigerian forum commenting on the culture section

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Then many Nigerian groups don't have a tribal culture since they don't trace their ancestry to a common family.

Not literally, and I said a common ancestor not a family. An example would be the Yoruba, who in their traditional beliefs, trace themselves back to a single entity. The Igbo also trace themselves back to a specific entity. The Habesha people of Ethiopia also trace their ancestry back to a common ancestor(although they are split into various tribes).

In essence though, I think you can kind of get the point.

If you study Anthropology(study of humanity) and Human evolution, you will realise that none of this matter anymore in this 21st century, anyone that is trying to identify himself to their ethnic group(tribal is a crude word, it original means a group of 500-1000 people in prehistoric days ), is due to insecurity and if one is fighting for his ethnic group, one is fighting for a lost cause, we have seen the fate of Awolowo,Ahmadu Bello and Azikiwe who were actually a regional nationalists not NATIONALIST on a federal level.

Humans are naturally bound to interbreed, it has always been like that since the beginning of a written history of a mankind. As a humanist, i only respect and like a person base on their character and personality not ethnic group,race,religion or ideology.

BlackLibya:

Not literally, and I said a common ancestor not a family. An example would be the Yoruba, who in their traditional beliefs, trace themselves back to a single entity. The Igbo also trace themselves back to a specific entity. The Habesha people of Ethiopia also trace their ancestry back to a common ancestor(although they are split into various tribes).

In essence though, I think you can kind of get the point.

The Igbo definitely don't trace themselves even to a common tribe, but maybe a wide region dating thousands of years which was only found out recently. That's how I knew the common ancestry requirement for a tribe wouldn't fit all groups in Nigeria.

But back to the point, I still don't understand "tribal culture".

Bamaguje:

If you study Anthropology(study of humanity) and Human evolution, you will realise that none of this matter anymore in this 21st century, anyone that is trying to identify himself to their ethnic group(tribal is a crude word, it original means a group of 500-1000 people in prehistoric days ), is due to insecurity and if one is fighting for his ethnic group, one is fighting for a lost cause, we have seen the fate of Awolowo,Ahmadu Bello and Azikiwe who were actually a regional nationalists not NATIONALIST on a federal level.

Humans are naturally bound to interbreed, it has always been like that since the beginning of a written history of a mankind. As a humanist, i only respect and like a person base on their character and personality not ethnic group,race,religion or ideology.

Someone who identifies with an ethnic group (like at least 90% of humans) isn't necessarily a racist, just like a nationalist isn't automatically a xenophobe. "Interbreeding" has been happening for thousands of years, some ethnic groups (like the Fulani) are a result of "interbreeding" and people will always identify with a clan, tribe, group, country as long as there's human civilisation.

The Igbo definitely don't trace themselves even to a common tribe, but maybe a wide region dating thousands of years which was only found out recently. That's how I knew the common ancestry requirement for a tribe wouldn't fit all groups in Nigeria.

What I meant is that in their traditional beliefs, they trace themselves to their god Chukwu am I correct?

ezeagu:


Someone who identifies with an ethnic group (like at least 90% of humans) isn't necessarily a racist, just like a nationalist isn't automatically a xenophobe. "Interbreeding" has been happening for thousands of years, some ethnic groups (like the Fulani) are a result of "interbreeding" and people will always identify with a clan, tribe, group, country as long as there's human civilisation.

Cosign, that's why I don't take those humanist people seriously. That thinking is only relevant in the western world.

BlackLibya:


What I meant is that in their traditional beliefs, they trace themselves to their god Chukwu am I correct?

They are a part of Chukwu, but they trace themselves to the oldest male (and sometimes female) progenitor they can.

no, atleast not for us (fulani), culture will remain strong, we will keep our culture and religion, they identify us hundreds years ago and today

anonymous6:

Cosign, that's why I don't take those humanist people seriously. That thinking is only relevant in the western world.

Neither do i take ethnic group advocate seriously and you clearly have no idea what humanism is about, Humanism is not =West, why does everything have to be about west FHS!. Go search Humanism on wikipedia and you will understand,also im very sure you will appreciate what it generally means and entertain to it.

Learn to research on stuff before you make a generalized comment here

ezeagu:

But Saxons and Angles are from Germany. Germans didn't come from them. And by that definition (mixing of peoples makes a people not a tribe) few people on earth are part of tribes.

not all Saxons and Angles left Germany. some were left behind. the area around Germany was inhabited by some Greater and SEPARATE ethnic groups. the Celtic and Gaulish peoples to the West, The Slavic and Baltic peoples to the East and what you call, The Germanic people in between along with the Franks, etc and not to mention other Gothic and Visigothic tribes and Teutonic peoples. the different tribes in this area were the Saxons, Franci, Thuringii, Alamanni, Bavarii, Vandals, Lombards, Burgundians, Suebi, Sorbs and Veleti.

Now during the Pagan days, all these tribes did not intermarry, since they had different genetics (escpeciall when you compare tribes from different Greater gorups such as between the Frankish peoples and the Slavic people or between the Celts and the Norsemen, etc). they also, ofcourse, had different cultures and religions. however within a Greater Ethnic group, some tribes kept forming or dying out or merging, since they shared the same culture, religion and blood/genetics.


Now after christianity, [size=32pt]ALL THESE TRIBES MERGED AND BECAME ONE, TO FORM A MONGREL/ MIXED-RACE PEOPLES CALLED ""THE GERMANS""[/size]


all the culture, lifestyle, religion, etc lost in one go. then came the various diseases such as the bubonic plague, small pox, german rubella measles, etc. people lost all form of morals and culture and their descendants set out to colonize , kill and massacre. ofcourse the Nazis are a spawn of german invention.  


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BlackLibya:

Not literally, and I said a common ancestor not a family. An example would be the Yoruba, who in their traditional beliefs, trace themselves back to a single entity. The Igbo also trace themselves back to a specific entity. The Habesha people of Ethiopia also trace their ancestry back to a common ancestor(although they are split into various tribes).

In essence though, I think you can kind of get the point.

we are not sure Sir. i beg to difer on this matter.

i have done extensive study on this issue and hav asked the opinions of various tribal elders around the world, and based on religion,mythology,legends and records, i come to this conclusion. to put it more simply:

each tribe belongs to a greater tribe (not all ofourse). only some tribes. others exist separately and are their own entity. now these tribes have a common set of ancestors who in turn evolved from a separate set of what ou call ""ape-men"". now the Han Chinese, for e.g., evolved from a different isolated species of ape-men, than say, the Hausa peoples or the Saxons, or the Yoruba, or the Quechua & Aymara. evidence calso shows that these tribes formed centres of civilizations. Some were extensive and large, such as the Mesopotamian civilization, the Egyptian the the Indus Valley, the Hwang Ho, etc., while some were smaller.

ezeagu:

"Interbreeding" has been happening for thousands of years, some ethnic groups (like the Fulani) are a result of "interbreeding" and people will always identify with a clan, tribe, group, country as long as there's human civilisation.

ahahahaha thats the most absurd claim i have ever come across!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Fulani  are a separate and Distinct ethnic group, comprising of subtribes, such as the Bororo. The Fulani as a whole is what i would call a[b] Greater Tribe[/b], with its sub-tribes.

just because they are brown-skinned, it doesnt mean that they are mixed race. infact the Fulani are the most tribal of the lot! the Chinese, Indians, etc are not mixed race. they have many separate tribes in their nations.

This is NOT a black and white world. THIS IS A WORLD OF COLOUR.

Someone who identifies with an ethnic group (like at least 90% of humans) isn't necessarily a racist, just like a nationalist isn't automatically a xenophobe. "Interbreeding" has been happening for thousands of years, some ethnic groups (like the Fulani) are a result of "interbreeding" and people will always identify with a clan, tribe, group, country as long as there's human civilisation.

@Ezeago, I agree but dont you believe people will evolve out of this phenomena eg. Hausaland consist of kingdom but with the influence of Arab and fulani, it merged into Hausa-fulani that is heavily laced with Islam, iethnic group has become synonymous with Muslim. Same goes for Yoruba and Igbo that has been influenced by Europeans.

Hausa Fulani evolved into Northern Nigeria, Yoruba into West, Igbo into East. Now in 21st century they have all mixed up, im sure in the next 50 years if Nigeria remained intact, Those groups mentioned will evolve into something else now that they intermingle more than before.culture will become irrevelant due to evolutionary changes.

PAGAN 9JA:

not all Saxons and Angles left Germany. some were left behind. the area around Germany was inhabited by some Greater and SEPARATE ethnic groups. the Celtic and Gaulish peoples to the West, The Slavic and Baltic peoples to the East and what you call, The Germanic people in between along with the Franks, etc and not to mention other Gothic and Visigothic tribes and Teutonic peoples. the different tribes in this area were the Saxons, Franci, Thuringii, Alamanni, Bavarii, Vandals, Lombards, Burgundians, Suebi, Sorbs and Veleti.

Now during the Pagan days, all these tribes did not intermarry, since they had different genetics (escpeciall when you compare tribes from different Greater gorups such as between the Frankish peoples and the Slavic people or between the Celts and the Norsemen, etc). they also, ofcourse, had different cultures and religions. however within a Greater Ethnic group, some tribes kept forming or dying out or merging, since they shared the same culture, religion and blood/genetics.


Now after christianity, ALL THESE TRIBES MERGED AND BECAME ONE, TO FORM A MONGREL/ MIXED-RACE PEOPLES CALLED ""THE GERMANS""


all the culture, lifestyle, religion, etc lost in one go. then came the various diseases such as the bubonic plague, small pox, german rubella measles, etc. people lost all form of morals and culture and their descendants set out to colonize , kill and massacre. ofcourse the Nazis are a spawn of german invention.  


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This sounds like a lot of subjective stuff, especially the last part and the part about tribes not intermarrying because of "different genetics". The fact is just because they are called "Germanic tribes" doesn't mean they have completely different cultures or that they do not share some general ancestry. It makes no sense for Germans to not be a tribe because they are descended from other migrating tribes, when it's the same way every human population was created, including the Aztec and Han, who you claimed were tribes. The Han themselves had several different kingdoms and cultures before unification, so how are they a tribe by your definition (being completely composed of one type of human from Eve).

PAGAN 9JA:
ahahahaha thats the most absurd claim i have ever come across!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Fulani  are a separate and Distinct ethnic group, comprising of subtribes, such as the Bororo. The Fulani as a whole is what i would call a[b] Greater Tribe[/b], with its sub-tribes.

just because they are brown-skinned, it doesnt mean that they are mixed race. infact the Fulani are the most tribal of the lot! the Chinese, Indians, etc are not mixed race. they have many separate tribes in their nations.

This is NOT a black and white world. THIS IS A WORLD OF COLOUR.

Fulani are a result of the people of Sahara being pushed back to Western Africa by Berbers. And on the issue of subgroup, what makes one a subgroup and one a tribe. Why are Anglo Saxons not a subgroup of the Germanic peoples? And how can a tribe have a subgroup in the first place?

I hope you know your theory of tribes being composed of one "type" of human from the beginning of time is baseless?

PAGAN 9JA:
infact the Fulani are the most tribal of the lot!

Can you explain?

Bamaguje:

@Ezeago, I agree but dont you believe people will evolve out of this phenomena eg. Hausaland consist of kingdom but with the influence of Arab and fulani, it merged into Hausa-fulani that is heavily laced with Islam, iethnic group has become synonymous with Muslim. Same goes for Yoruba and Igbo that has been influenced by Europeans.

Hausa Fulani evolved into Northern Nigeria, Yoruba into West, Igbo into East. Now in 21st century they have all mixed up, im sure in the next 50 years if Nigeria remained intact, Those groups mentioned will evolve into something else now that they intermingle more than before.culture will become irrevelant due to evolutionary changes.

Give me one example of a community not knowing whether they are Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa. Fulani conquered Hausa states and their Sahel cultures would have made it an easier merger, do you see Igbo and Fulani merging anytime soon?