Many have heard the term Immaculate Conception and they are under the impression that it is talking about the SINLESS Christ who was born in the womb of the Jewish Virgin Mary, but is actually a doctrine regarding the SINLESSNESS of Mary. In other words, it is a teaching that declares that  the Jewish Virgin Mary was CONCEIVED without SIN, and thus the term Immaculate Conception. This is a teaching that has not been accepted by most PROTEST-ANT churches. 

The teaching of the Immaculate Conception has actually been around for a long time, but it did not become official Roman Catholic dogma until December 8, 1854. The question is this:  Was Mary actually conceived without sin, or is this just the Roman Catholic interpretation? Here is an excerpt from an earlier post entitled: “Was Mary A Sinner Or The Mother Of God?” You can find the FULL ARTICLE HERE.


What does the Bible teach us about Mary, the mother of Jesus? That is the question of the hour. Was Mary a sinner like the rest of us? Is Mary the mother of God? Should my focus be on Mary or on Jesus Christ?

Was Mary A Sinner?

“And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath holpen (helped) his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever. And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.” (Luke 1:46-56)

In the passage above we find Mary giving all the praise and glory to God because he regarded her low (humble )estate. Mary also rejoiced in God her Savior, and we know that only sinners need a Savior.

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)

Here is another excerpt from that article:

It is rather interesting that the Roman Catholic doctrine regarding Mary mimics actual truth regarding Jesus Christ.

The Roman Catholic teaching known as The Immaculate Conception (Mary being conceived without sin) is a DEMONIC COUNTERFEIT of the sinlessness of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 5:21)

The Roman Catholic teaching of The Assumption (Mary was raised into heaven without dying) is a DEMONIC COUNTERFEIT of the actual ascension of Jesus Christ into heaven. (Luke 24:50-53, Acts 1:8-11)

The Roman Catholic teaching of Mary being the Queen of Heaven is a DEMONIC COUNTERFEIT of Jesus Christ being the King of Kings and Lord of Lords! (Deuteronomy 10:17, Psalm 136:3, 1 Timothy 6:15, Revelation 17:14, 19:16)

The Roman Catholic teaching of Mary as a mediator (mediatrix) is a DEMONIC COUNTERFEIT of Jesus Christ being the one and only mediator for mankind! (1 Timothy 2:5)

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Romans 3, verse 10 says, ", as it is written: 'None is righteous, no, not one.'" Yet, James 5:16 says that the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. If absolutely no one is righteous, then who is James talking about? Luke chapter 1 says that Elizabeth and Zechariah were righteous before God. If absolutely no one is righteous, then how can that be? Is Scripture contradicting itself? No, it's you who interpret Romans as saying absolutely, without exception, no one is righteous, that are misinterpreting the passage. You are failing to realize that the key to understanding Romans 3:10 is the phrase, "it is written."
Here in Romans, Paul is quoting from the O.T., Psalm 14 to be exact. In Psalm 14 it says, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God. They are corrupt, there is none that does good.'" But then that same psalm goes on to talk about the "righteous." Well, if none has done good, who are these righteous the psalm is talking about? Obviously, when the psalmist says that none has done good, he is talking about the fools who say there is no God. He is not talking about absolutely everyone.

Paul is not saying absolutely no one is righteous, if he was, then how do you explain all the Old and New Testament passages that refer to the righteous? In Romans 3:11 it says that no one seeks for God. Does that mean that absolutely no one is seeking God? No, to interpret it that way would be unreasonable!

Just so verse 23 which says that "all have sinned". Babies haven't sinned, have they? Little children haven't sinned, have they? No! This is not an absolute. There are exceptions. What about John the Baptist? Did he sin? Scripture says that he was filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother's womb. Can someone who is filled with the Holy Spirit his entire life ever sin? It's something to think about.

So, it is perfectly legitimate to say that these passages from Romans, when interpreted in context, in no way conflict with the Church's teaching on Mary being without sin.

In Jeremiah 7:18, God is upset with the Israelites for worshipping a false goddess called the "queen of heaven". However, just because God rebuked them for worshipping the false queen of heaven, doesn't mean that we cannot pay honour to the true Queen of Heaven, the Blessed Mother.
That type of thinking would lead you to believe that just because people worship a false god that they call "god," we, therefore, should not call the true God, by that same name, God, because that's the same title the idolaters use for their god! That is faulty logic and it makes no sense whatsoever.

Again, the fact that there is a false "queen of heaven", does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false goddess when we call Mary the "Queen of Heaven." Just as the fact that there is a false "god", does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false god when we call our Father in Heaven, God.

And there is a true Queen of Heaven, we see this clearly in Revelation 12:1, "And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars, " Let's see. There's a woman, she's in Heaven, and she has a crown on her head. I don't think it's the maid! No! It is the true Queen of Heaven, Mary, the mother of the male child who is to rule the nations.

We do not worship Mary, we honor her, just as Jesus honors her. So, there is absolutely nothing wrong, from a scriptural point of view, in calling Mary the Queen of Heaven, and in honoring her just as Jesus honors her.

1 Tim 2:5 says: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, " And we Catholics are always told, "there is only one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ. Therefore, praying to the saints goes against the Bible because you are making them mediators between God and man, you are diminishing Jesus' role as the sole mediator!"
Is that an appropriate interpretation of that passage? No, it's not and let's see why not.

In the O.T. we see that Moses, Abraham, and Job interceded on behalf of others, that's mediating between God and man. We know that it is okay to ask others here on earth to pray and intercede for us, that's mediating between God and man. So, I think, once again, we have a situation where a passage of the Bible is being misinterpreted and misunderstood.

There is only one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ, but as members of the Body of Christ, He allows us to share in His mediation.

Also, Scripture tells us that we have only one foundation, Jesus Christ (1 Cor 3:11); but, Scripture also tells us that there is more than one foundation (Eph 2:19-20). Scripture tells us that we have only one Lord, Jesus Christ (Eph 4:4-5); but, Scripture also tells us there is more than one lord (Rev 19:16). Scripture tells us that we have only one Judge, Jesus Christ (James 4:12); but, Scripture also tells us there is more than one judge (1 Cor 6:2).

Contradictions in Scripture? No! Not when these passages are all properly understood in context. Jesus is the only foundation; Jesus is the only Lord; and Jesus is the only Judge. But, we are members of Jesus' Body. Therefore, we are able, according to the graces given by Christ, to share in Jesus' role as foundation, as lord, and as judge, and in other aspects of Christ, as well. Another example, as a father I share in God's role as Father, by His grace. And, so also, we, and the saints in Heaven, and the angels in Heaven, can share in Christ's role as Mediator.

Nigerians live in their archaic idiotic beliefs,

what difference does it matter to you? what is your problem with people honoring the Blessed Mother of God?

you call it demonic and sinful , how do you define your day to day life? when you swear at your neighbor, when you pay the official a bribe to get the fast track? or when you even take a bribe,

did your bible not tell you not to judge? did Christ not warn against judging others?

now the hypocrite you are! you consider yourself JUST and PURE enough to judge,


shame on all you religious ignorant nonentities, Nigerians stick to the faith because they are filled with hate and they are bitter!

when you pray you place your arms against your neighbors house and call on the Holy Ghost fire et al

GOD is LOVE, and won't pour no fire on anyone of his creations no matter how bad they are, shame on you all

what difference does it matter to you? what is your problem with people honoring the Blessed Mother of God?

Rebuke urself for saying this plz, let me believe it was a mistake

1corinthians 5:13) while you leave to God's judgement those who are outside? Remove the wicked man from among you

Who is the outsider that should be left for God to judge and who is the insider to be removed/pulged?

In Jeremiah 7:18, God is upset with the Israelites for worshipping a false goddess called the "queen of heaven". However, just because God rebuked them for worshipping the false queen of heaven, doesn't mean that we cannot pay honour to the true Queen of Heaven, the Blessed Mother.
That type of thinking would lead you to believe that just because people worship a false god that they call "god," we, therefore, should not call the true God, by that same name, God, because that's the same title the idolaters use for their god! That is faulty logic and it makes no sense whatsoever.

The revelation u qouted didnt refares to the Mother of Jesus. Revelation was from Christ direct to John. Do u think it was for Gods people to be confused? Not at all. The all problem of u people is that u add to the bible. What is not cleay stated should be assumed. God was upset with this practise,yet the catholic still insisted by saying their own queen of heaven is the true one. Mind u, there alot of Evil queen of heaven.
What are the those golden images of Jesus cross , angels and Mary carrying infant doing in the church alter? Are these not idolateries? Doesnt the bible kicked agains gravy images? Satan and his demons must ve enough influence in them.

Read ur bible and respect its teaching ooooo, rescure ur soul and stop been ignorants.

And what about the inverted cross and the bend cross ? I will present pictures as soon as possible. . . 
"A cross that is not broken, but turned upside down. It indicates the rejection of Jesus Christ and contempt for the gospel of salvation. Inverted symbols are typical of the opposite values pursued by Satanists. people who are sometimes sacrificed to Satan on "Black Sabbath" are crucified upside down in accordance with this tradition."

“, even now are there many antichrists…” —1st John 2:18

It is easy to find Satanic websites and occult stores where you can purchase all types of items with inverted crosses.
 The "Upside Down Cross” symbolizes mockery and rejection of Jesus. necklaces are worn by many Satanists.
It can often be seen on Rock singers and their album covers."

“, and no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light”
2 Corinthians 11:14. Do research on catholic history and judge for urself.

The Bible never mentions Simon Peter's death. Acts of the Apostles mentions the imprisonment and miraculous release of Peter, but does not say anything about his subsequent death, even though the book was written around the end of the century, long after Peter would have died.

The mid-second century pope Anicetus (156-166) said that Peter was beheaded by Nero in Rome. The reason for this claim was that he had became locked in a conflict with Polycarp of Smyrna. Polycarp had tried to win the argument by insisting that he spoke with the authority of the apostle John. In response, Anicetus told of Peter's beheading and said that he spoke with the authority of Peter. Then in the third century, the Church Father Origen changed the story somewhat, saying that Peter, condemned to crucifixion, felt himself unworthy to be crucified the same way as his Lord, and so chose crucifixion upside down.

Since then even without concrete proof from the bible, the catholics have been practicing the use of the upside-down cross, in honoring Apostle Peter.

I think all these non catholics are jealous of we having the Blessed Virgin Mary as our mother. There is something am sure of, you guys are out to discreadit the RCC, thats why most time, i feel like not responding to post cos you all are seeing the truth, but you will blindly not acknowlegde it.

@plappville, plz i have a question for you, and i need a yes or no answer. Have you ever asked some1 to pray for you. Plz answer me.

Since i confessed Christ, I ve not meet anyone to pray for me personally, but i must say that, i do partake in the church congregational prayer from whoever that minister. The bible taught us hw to pray, so why meeting someone for prayer.
why ur question?

@Rich4god,

Let me warn you, trying to reason with plappville is like pouring water into a basket. Purely waste of time and energy.

This is someone who says that Judas did not sin.

That Peter's cutting of another man's ear was not a sin.

Someone who said "I was once a Catholic" then later said "ok I wasn't a Catholic"

Someone who cannot answer the simple question "since you became born-again, have you committed sin? YES or NO (and I've been asking that for two weeks now)

I know we should always give everyone a chance but I just have to warn you.

She cannot understand anything you say. She doesn't even understand what she herself says.

She talks like a non living thing - like a radio. A radio is just programmed to talk, not to think.

Find out yourself sha. . .

U are only a liar u know? I told u i ve not seen where the bible told that their action was a sinful one, so I can't conclude if they sin or not. I said, the betrayal of Jesus by Judas was all for a  fulfillment. If Judas did not sell Jesus, would he ve died for us? Why do u people try to change what other people say?

I told u i was onced a Catholic, and then was converted and became born again, so i left Catholic, what is wrong in changing my faith?

U wanted to know if i ve sinned and i presented to u verses that suits my present state, u refused it, are u me? what makes u think u can think in my place? I know where your anger lies, all these lies u are bring here is just as a result of my constant exposing of certain false teaching of the catholic. Remeber u are not the church, I must expose the evil penetrating in the house of God, not even u can stop me.

The Bible clearly warns many churches will "DEPART from the faith" . . .

"Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you
concerning our common salvation,
I found it necessary ("compelled" to write to you
exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith
which was once for all delivered to the saints.
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, (todays church leaders)
who long ago were marked out for this condemnation,
UNGODLY men ,who turn the grace of our God into lewdness . . .
(who ignore, deny, create doubt, oppose, or refuse to teach all of God’s word in the Bible)
But I want to remind you, though you once knew this,
that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
afterward DESTROYED those
who did NOT believe (God's Word)."
(Jude 1:3-6)

You just want to engage me in your usual senseless discussions but I don't want to waste my time and energy. Nobody can free you from a lost mind. Only you can free yourself - if you're feeling.

But let me just show that you're the LIAR here: are you not the one who said this in the other thread? Admit the truth for once, 'mrs born-again'

Even after I showed you where Peter said "Judas purchased a land with the reward of INIQUITY" in Acts, you still said the Bible didn't say they sinned. Instead of admitting the truth.

italo:

You just want to engage me in your usual senseless discussions but I don't want to waste my time and energy. Nobody can free you from a lost mind. Only you can free yourself - if you're feeling.

But let me just show that you're the LIAR here: are you not the one who said this in the other thread? Admit the truth for once, 'mrs born-again'

Even after I showed you where Peter said "Judas purchased a land with the reward of INIQUITY" in Acts, you still said the Bible didn't say they sinned. Instead of admitting the truth.

With wht ur reqouted here, did u read that i said the action they took, the betraying and the deyning was not sin? NO I said when they were with Jesus they were not sinners, u were the one that brought the issue of peter cut off ears etc to proved they sinned, That was not my origina meanning of saying they were not sinner.

Will they be sinning at same time be best friend of Jesus? they sinned at a particular seconds, mins, or hours, and that is the "betraying and "deyning"
And these are for the fullfilment of Jesus been crisified on the cross. Jesus predited these will happend and it happend. If u labelled them as continueing in sin why they were with Christ, then what difference were they with the unbelievers?

U were saying it as in the kind of dialy sin "lie" people like "you" tolerate.

A member wrote this,

qoute from @free123: Islam is getting stronger day by day, church of satan is growing stronger everyday. Does it by anyway show that God is with them? When people claim that catholic is getting stronger on account that God is with it, i quickly refer to them other sects that are even stronger.

Come to think of it, heavenly race is not by multitude, it is an individual race.

Broad and wide is the way that leads to destruction and many, even multitude are found in it. I advise you to choose the narrow way for eternal life and happiness.

and u attacked him and accused him of lieing against the catholics. I decided to prove u wrong because @free123 was right in his comment. see it below:

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Quote from: italo on Yesterday at 10:24:17 AM
It is you that said the Catholic Church is growing stronger everyday. I don't see where anyone else said that. As far as I know, the Church is dwindling in numbers in the Europe and North America but growing in Africa, Asia and is still very strong in Latin America. But is this the indication that we need to know that God is with it? No.

The Catholic Church is the Church Jesus founded with Peter as its head and it continues to minister to the world with the teachings of the apostles in word and in tradition. These teachings have come down to us through an unbroken line of apostolic succession from the apostles to the early church fathers to the present day priests.

That is the indication we need. God's one true church, not a 'church' that was founded by a greedy pastor just to make money or an adulterous king just to satisfy his carnal desire.

"The gates of hades will not overcome it", Jesus said 2011yrs ago.

2011 years later, the gates of hades have not overcome it - and never will. That is the indication we need.

Or was Jesus talking about RCCG, or Deeper life, or Cele or any of the other 35000 protestant shops we have in the world today?

NO!

Qoute from plappville: To the bold, the Catholics do claim rapid growth, and also claim the church is in the bible.
U personally ve said this times without numbers in previews post.
see a post of a Catholic claims that prove @free123 has not lied.

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Re: Why Infant Baptism Should Stop!
« #174 on: November 29, 2011, 03:02 PM »
My dear all I can say is that your argument is baseless. The Catholic church is well rooted, many of your kind has come and gone. The wind has blown and is still blowing, but the church of God is still growing from strength to strength and why is it still standing because of God's word upon it, "The gate of hell shall not prevail over it" or can't you see it. If the Church is not from God it would have collapsed long ago like others that have gone.

Please lets channel our strength on the mission God has sent us to do, Go and make disciples of all nation (the soul is more important.

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Tell me, did @free123 lied here? NO, u are the lair because its true all catholic members including u claim the growth of the church is as a result of God.

U should save your soul, if u don't do that now, then when? U ve decided to ignore Gods word by that of man's authority. Was Apostle Peter the giver of these laws? during his time, did he creat laws on Mary's image and upside-down cross etc? Do u believe Apostle Peter will be proud that the upside-down cross has become an idol in the house of God? check urself, your salvation is in your parm.

"Now the Spirit (of God) expressly says
       that in latter times some (church leaders ,  reverends, ministers, rabbis, priests,
bishops, popes) will DEPART from the faith,
       giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons
       (opposing things the Bible says ,  in direct opposition to God's Word)
       speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
       forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods . . ."
       (1 Timothy 4:1-3)

[size=13pt]<sup>Christians are confused set of people--- honestly , u can keep deceiving yourselves but not any sane person . i hate it when u people pretend while we all are in same gutter of sinful nature . now , i won't talk from other basic--- let's do it from the Christian perspective . If u are a Christian in the house kindly pull your bible on your laps as u flip along the verse i am going to read to verify my post .

_{"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, " —Exodus 20:4-5}

Oh the blindness upon men's hearts! I receive a lot of hate mail from Catholics who insist that I am wrong about their religion. Yet, they can't backup their allegations against me with sound Biblical doctrine. Catholicism is straight from the pits of Hell, and Satan hates it! I wish they would stop pretending and join us fully.</sup> [/size]

Lol @plappville,

Ok, I'm the liar. Catholics worship the devil, Mary, Saints and any other thing that is not God, that's what you're saying,right?

Can you now buzz off and let me talk with any one who has a brain?

italo:

Lol @plappville,

Ok, I'm the liar. Catholics worship the devil, Mary, Saints and any other thing that is not God, that's what you're saying,right?

Can you now buzz off and let me talk with any one who has a brain?

My dear u ve the chioce to accept what u like, the church is inserting Satanic doctrine gradually, if u refused to see this even with all the bible verses as prove, then that is ur problem. Its a free will, we eaither choose the right way, or the wrong one.

People u believe they ve brain are those who will turn the bible aside like u. ur keyboard is with u, i ve never stoped u from using it. Why now do i ve to permit u?

plappville:

Since i confessed Christ, I ve not meet anyone to pray for me personally, but i must say that, i do partake in the church congregational prayer from whoever that minister. The bible taught us hw to pray, so why meeting someone for prayer.
why your question?

i didnt ask if you've met any1 to pray for you personally, all i asked is, have you ever asked some1 to pray for you (maybe your friend, neighbour or relation). For e.g, maybe when you are about carrying out a task/activity (such as traveling,exam, interview, business trip) and then you asked your friend to pray for the success of that task. I just need a yes/no answer, i dont want any explanation just answer it.

@plappville, what is taking you so long to answer my question. Or is the letters Y E S N O missing from your keyboard.

Rich4god:

i didnt ask if you've met any1 to pray for you personally, all i asked is, have you ever asked some1 to pray for you (maybe your friend, neighbour or relation). For e.g, maybe when you are about carrying out a task/activity (such as traveling,exam, interview, business trip) and then you asked your friend to pray for the success of that task. I just need a yes/no answer, i dont want any explanation just answer it.

Now u ve come up with a clear question, i do believe i can pray for myself, so i ve not ask the mentioned above. although nothing is wrong in asking others to surport u in prayer, I personally believe, for example, Jesus told his disciples how to pray, in that prayer, one of the key statements is: "Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." when i pray, i hold on to this very statement believing that, God's moral will is always done in heaven, my prayers are fixed with him. I Dont need to annouce to others to help. Mine is enough i think, but others re important as well.

Rich4god:

@plappville, what is taking you so long to answer my question. Or is the letters Y E S N O missing from your keyboard.

U were abit too hasty , can u imagin how long it took u before u responds to my first post? does it really matters, hoz long it takes for one to reply a question in NL? we do ve life outside this forum plz. I reply to postsm wzhen i a; chanced.

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