This past month, I started a thread encouraging the Christians to preach Christianity to us the Muslim and by it try to convince us to convert to Christianity. We asked that they present or argue this case using their Bible and sound logic and reason. They christians failed to accomplish this effort, squandering such a great opportunity to win souls for Jesus or whoever they want to win souls for.

I guess the carrot came with a big stick. The stick was that they let us ask questions that they must answer directly without being evasive, using their usual claim of you must believe. No one can make me believe without sound evidence. I am not blind and God has created for me wisdom and a heart and the mind [my essence anchored in my soul] to know that spirituality is a thing evidence.

If the christians have offered the same opportunity to us in Islam, we would have talked to them from Quran and its explanation from the master of mankind; Muhammad [as] the only prophet sent to mankind and not just a local people, a tribe, a nation, a region.

Now I am asking the Christians to please without veering away from the focus of this thread to tell us who was the Another Comforter promised by Biblical Jesus, considering the function and duties of the said Another Comforter?

Was this Another Comforter The Holy Ghost as claimed by the Christians or something else, but not the Ghost, but a human being, sent to human beings?

How did the Holy Ghost accomplish the function and duties, especially when the Another Comforter was to be a hearing and speaking and commanded by God to action on man?

Is this obvious subordinate to God also God or a messenger, a creation a human being? Please tell us why we must forget what the Bible says that Jesus said of the person and duties of the Another Comforter relative to God and His Intention for man.

Jesus was supposed to return so soon, he said to the disciples. The time he returns, some of them will still be alive. Is there any of them alive, today or is the measure time of Jesus so faulty we have to say he was wrong, yet again as he did about John being Elijah or was it John who didn't know who he himself was, after Jesus had declared John as the greatest prophet for Israel?

Lets take over 2000 years and still counting since we do not now when Jesus will return, contrast that to a mere 620 years after Jesus. Which one is on time and which one is still pending, while to God a day is like 50, 000 years?


Please tell me about The Another Comforter, with sound argument and direct quote about him from the Bibles. Is he a ghost meant for the 12 disciples and no one else [and if later generations were to benefit from what he served, the disciples must pen it down as the "penned" down the gospels. Where is the Gospel of Jesus? I want it in Original]? Or was the Another Comforter meant for all mankind, believers and through him the disbelievers will become believers, acting as the mercy under the Mercy of God?

Can we argue that the Another Comforter was not a man, since the former Comforter, Comforters were from Mankind? Why should Jesus as a former comforter be a man and the another comforter that his prophesy was about be a Ghost? Is that Ghost that cant talk talk to man?

Is that Ghost that must hear from God so that he can do what he is assigned to do have to be God, since the Christians claim that the Ghost is God, too?


I beg you; Don't derail this thread. If you cant defend this cancer in your religion, leave it alone and die with it. It is better than you telling us that you are not sick when we see that you are in a coma.


WE THE MUSLIMS WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS. WE WILL USE YOUR BIBLE MOSTLY TO TALK ABOUT THE ANOTHER COMFORTER.

Now i know,why d bible say my people perish bekus of lack of knowledge,.@postar luk Jesus is in koran. And d koran said Jesus is blemless,.bt mohammed is not in d bible why? Ok d bible said i wil send u a conforter that wil be with u even to d end, the conforter is the holy ghost, which is a spirit being that live in evry beliver,, GOD, JESUS ,AND HOLY SPIRIT are one, let me xplain, we human bein we ar three in one, if u dont know. Our soul, our body(flesh) and our spirit,. So the conforta is d spirit nd He comunicate with our spirit,.d fact stil remain christianity the light even koran confirm it. Why is it that when a muslim convert to christian the person life wil b in danger, his muslim cantapat wil be against him, bkus he wil go out there to xpose the hiden trut in d koran, so many islamic scholar hav seen d hiden trut and they hav bak out, .bt sum stil remain bkus of d treat of there life, many muslim ar afraid to bak out bkus of there life wil be in danger, i know u knew dat, bt d fact stil remain clear

Op u ve nothing to prove here, there is only one source to the truth is the bible, no matter how Muhammed has tried to paint it black, its still shine because its a light itself. No man can hid it, it reflects and speaks out the truth to those willing to embrace it.

John 14:26) But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

First Muhammed is a mere man, he tried to creat a religion but still failed to play the comforters role because its the impossible.
Did Muhammed bring all things to the world remebrance about Jesus? Capital letter NO.
Did Muhammed deny all that Jesus have said about his death and resurrection and his identity? Capital letter YES. Muhammed hates Jesus, he tried to distroy Jesus, but he failed because we have the comforter that leads us to the truth as Jesus has promised. EVERY TRUE CHRISTIAN CAN TELL YOU OF THE COMFORTER IF THEY WISH TO, IT IS REAL.

@Drstan: #1 on: Today at 04:13:58 PM »
Thank you for responding. But please thick to the topic or move on. You should have been able to follow the appeal of the op to all responding persons. Then, again, wisdom may not be so easy to acquire.


[Quote]Now i know,why d bible say my people perish bekus of lack of knowledge,.@postar luk Jesus is in koran. And d koran said Jesus is blemless,.bt mohammed is not in d bible why? Ok d bible said i wil send u a conforter that wil be with u even to d end, the conforter is the holy ghost, which is a spirit being that live in evry beliver,[/Quote]This was not promised to anybody else except the 12 disciples, if we go by the Bible. If we go by your statement, the Bible is incorrect.


[Quote], GOD, JESUS ,AND HOLY SPIRIT are one, let me xplain, we human bein we ar three in one, if u dont know. Our soul, our body(flesh) and our spirit,[/Quote]We are not three. We are two Body which is physical and soul which is spiritual. Tell me the characteristics of soul versus spirit if they are not one and the same as body and physical flesh are to each other? Further, you need to explain to us which carry of the soul and spirit carries the body that if it leaves the boy and the other remains the body will fall and become lifeless.


[Quote]. So the conforta is d spirit nd He comunicate with our spirit,[/Quote]But your Bible says the Another comforter will hear from God as He will give the Another Comforter what to say and the another Comforter will say it, exactly without adding any words to it. How is your spirit that does not have a voice going to talk to man who hears only with his ears? After all God in heaven has voice because He spoke to many human prophets. Jesus your human god had voice the only means that the 4 gospel-ers were able to record what they recorded for him. Why is your Hoy spirit not with a voice and people could record him for later generations as they did of Moses, etc, and definitely Biblical Jesus?


[Quote].d fact stil remain christianity the light even koran confirm it.[/QUote}Quran does not confirm Christianity to be light the same way it does not confirm Judaism or any religion except Islam to be the Light. Quran does not call Jesus or his companions, the disciples christians. In fact it says Jesus was a muslim and so were his awariyuun. If you can find a place in the Quran where Jesus and or his disciples were called Christians you have won me over.


[Quote] Why is it that when a muslim convert to christian the person life wil b in danger, his muslim cantapat wil be against him, bkus he wil go out there to xpose the hiden trut in d koran,[/Quote]But the Quran is in the hands of ordinary people. Whats the hidden danger in it? Show me and I will expose it myself. I have been on earth long enough that Islam stands firm against all tests and wins.


[Quote] so many islamic scholar hav seen d hiden trut and they hav bak out,[/Quote]Name a handful among the so many. Please give us checkable references.


[Quote] .bt sum stil remain bkus of d treat of there life,[/Quote]You live in the jungle among wild beast that you have to lie like this? Everyday, we see people coming in to Islam, at a higher velocity than the ones going out. The whole world have muslims not your wild jungle where you are the only human there the reason you are making this false statement.


[Quote] many muslim ar afraid to bak out bkus of there life wil be in danger, i know u knew dat, bt d fact stil remain clear[/Quote]I dont know that because the western countries, especially in the americas, in spite of all the gimmicks, people are discovering Islam and loving it. Please sir, stick to the topic and you can write in your texting syle. But stick to the topic or you are out of here.
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@Plippville: [Quote]John 14:26) But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.[/Quote]Is this all you wish to present of the Another Comforter? LEts just assume that there is no other verse to your liking about the Another Comforter in the Bible.

reading the verse you quoted, one quickly realized that the Another Comforter was supposed to teach the Disciples all things. So name a few of the things the Another Comforter taught the disciples that Jesus didn't teach them, being new things when they were taught? Just few. Pick a number.

we also see that the Another Comforter was to bring all things to the remembrance of the disciples. Remembrance can be not to forget or forget but made to remember it afresh or both. Please list a few of what the voiceless Ghost reminded the disciples who can only hear as in the statement 'let all those who have ears, let him hears'? How bad were the students that they needed reminding so quickly, or was the teacher such a terrible instructor that the Another Comforter must now come to perform the impossible without a voice when he was supposed to be a hearing and speaking aloud entity?

I want to know because this is your chance to make the faith that you have shine. No be word of mouth without proofs. I need proofs, woman.
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@Plappville; Forgive me about the misspelling of your name, above;


[Quote]First Muhammed is a mere man,[/Quote]So were all prophets and messengers of Yahweh. Jesus a man sent to you, says the Bible. Jesus a man unable to do anything of his own power.


[Quote] he tried to creat a religion[/Quote]He did not create Islam because Islam was here before him and he did not take credit for the success of islam even in Arabia. How did he try to create religion, again?


[Quote] but still failed to play the comforters role because its the impossible.[/Quote]What is the impossibility in it, considering that Muhammad [as] spoke and people heard him. He said his command was from God, exactly what Jesus said the Another comforter will have as his foundation. We shall talk about the other major aspects after having a voice and hearing like what was expected of Another Comforter and his listeners. You may have to show me how he failed and what he failed in before you become he winner.


[Quote]Did Muhammed bring all things to the world remebrance about Jesus?[/Quote]Yes. For one, no one can say Jesus was a bastard because his mother was an unwed woman. The jews are still making fun of him and his mother in Israel and thank God, what He revealed to Muhammad about His ability to create in any way that pleases Him, one of these ways He created Jesus. This alone shuts the jews down and remember tey never disputed what Muhammad said about Jesus as large as they were in Madina. Go research it.


[Quote] Capital letter NO.[/Quote]Please support your statement with evidence.


[Quote]Did Muhammed deny all that Jesus have said about his death and resurrection and his identity?[/Quote]about his death? what about his calling for help from God and resigning to the decision of God? What is the purpose of God allowing Jesus to beg and sends the Holy Spirit to aid Jesus and in spite of all of these allowed Jesus, a believer, a messenger to be killed by a group of disbeliever, rebels and haters of God's purpose, intention and decision? You must show us where God said to Jesus oh Jesus you will die and even your asking Me to save you will not help you. Then know that when you show me that section in the Bible, then realize that Jesus was a rebel because what God told him not to do, he tried to do it; trying to change God's decision. I am waiting. Please.


[Quote] Capital letter YES.[/Quote]How, especially when Jesus himself was begging so that he would not die?


[Quote] Muhammed hates Jesus,[/Quote]How?


[Quote] he tried to distroy Jesus,[/Quote]With what and when? I think you are mistaking Rasulullah [as] for the jews and the romans. And according to you they succeeded. Muhammad came 620 after the fact, while you are still waiting for Jesus to return and meet his 12 disciples who at least 1 or more of them are still here above ground, walking and talking? Show me just where I can find one of them, please.


[Quote] but he failed because we have the comforter that leads us to the truth[/Quote]What truth and where can I read it, since you are one of the 12 disciples? It was promised to the disciples unless somebody lied. Let me know.


[Quote] as Jesus has promised.[/Quote]Show me a verse where Jesus promised anyone outside the 12 disciples.


[Quote] EVERY TRUE CHRISTIAN CAN TELL YOU OF THE COMFORTER IF THEY WISH TO, IT IS REAL.[/Quote]You can tell me what you want, without evidence. It will be rejected, until you present evidence. Are christians followers of Jesus, since he only had 12 disciples? Did Jesus called his followers, christians? What are you talking about? Is this the way to win souls?