Is eternal security biblical?



Answer: When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their eternal security. Jude 24 declares, "To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy." God's power is able to keep the believer from falling. It is up to Him, not us, to present us before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.

The Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand" (John 10:28-29b). Both Jesus and the Father have us firmly grasped in their hand. Who could possibly separate us from the grip of both the Father and the Son?

Ephesians 4:30 tells us that believers are "sealed for the day of redemption." If believers did not have eternal security, the sealing could not truly be unto the day of redemption, but only to the day of sinning, apostasy, or disbelief. John 3:15-16 tells us that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If a person were to be promised eternal life, but then have it taken away, it was never "eternal" to begin with. If eternal security is not true, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

The most powerful argument for eternal security is Romans 8:38-39, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Our eternal security is based on God's love for those whom He has redeemed. Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.


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God bless u bro.... Excellent write up....

Op, indeed God's purposes are Eternal; however is believing (man's part in appropriating God's provision) an act of the will or a spiritual reflex over which we have no control such that once we believe there exists no possibility of loosing the faith?

God placed all Our Sins on Christ and forgave us ahead us time.
Sins are forgiven past present and future.
Accept or Not.

Asking for forgiveness of Sins is not what brings about it,it is what Christ has already done On the Cross.
The blood he shed then covers the Sins of Me,you, and all of the world.

Christ is the propritation of not only our Sins but the Sins of the whole word.

According to Prophet Jeremiah,see Jeremiah 33:
God said your Sins and Iniquities he will remember no more.
God also said he will not impute your Sins against You.
Rom 4,Heb 8.
Luke 24:49 and John 20:
forgiveness and remission Of Sins should be preached in his name.

Amen!

@ sportsmaster, consider this:

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and[b] I will not blot out his name out of the book of life[/b], but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelations 3:4,5

Since this message was sent to a church (not gathering of sinners) does this not reveal that:
1. Eternal security is conditioned on the fact that after we have believed, we, depending on the Spirit, give all diligence to walk in righteousness and holiness.
2. Eternal security is only guaranteed if we overcome and hold fast to the end.
3. Failure to ensure 1 & 2 will mean that our names will be removed from the Book of life as only those who overcome are guaranteed security.
4. Redemption serves to transform man, not God and Exodus 32:33 & Exodus 34:6-7 are not laws to be abolished but the unchanging nature of an Unchanging God revealed.
Exodus 32:33
And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Since 4 is true, I submit that our Eternal security is dependent on ,"if we hold the beginning of our faith/confidence steadfast unto the end!

Scholar8200:
@ sportsmaster, consider this:

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and[b] I will not blot out his name out of the book of life[/b], but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelations 3:4,5

Since this message was sent to a church (not gathering of sinners) does this not reveal that:
1. Eternal security is conditioned on the fact that after we have believed, we, depending on the Spirit, give all diligence to walk in righteousness and holiness.
2. Eternal security is only guaranteed if we overcome and hold fast to the end.
3. Failure to ensure 1 & 2 will mean that our names will be removed from the Book of life as only those who overcome are guaranteed security.
4. Redemption serves to transform man, not God and Exodus 32:33 & Exodus 34:6-7 are not laws to be abolished but the unchanging nature of an Unchanging God revealed.
Exodus 32:33
And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Since 4 is true, I submit that our Eternal security is dependent on ,"if we hold the beginning of our faith/confidence steadfast unto the end!

In essence what you are saying indirectly that the Work of Christ in complete.
Because if Christ paid for your Sins?
1Why would go to hell if Christ paid for your Sins?
2the prophet Jeremiah said ahead of time that "In this New Covenant,God will not take account of Your Sins and iniquities,what he will impute against you is righteousness"
Heb8:6-the end,Jeremiah 33,Rom4,Rom5, 2cor3:4-18.Rom 8,otherwise can you say that God lied in nis Promises.

2cor1:19-22 clearly explains that all the Promises of God were fufilled in Christ.

But scriptures has it that God cannot lie

all those scriptures you quoted,i Urge to get your facts right and study deeper.
When Jesus said he came to fufil the law,what he meant is that he came to fufil the demands of the law,because with the law,the whole world was found guilty.
Jesus is the propritation of the Sins of the whole world.
Jesus is the Lamb of the God that takes away all the Sin of the world,
all you need to do receive all God has done for you in Christ is just to believe and thats all.


I know you guys are quick to quote Rom6 and 1cor6.
I will clear all your doubts and answer all your questions.

read the Psalms of David,david also talked abt the blessedness of this New covenant,he talked about how that Sin will not be imputed,but righteousness will be imputed to your account.

many folks do not understand the book of revelations,
Many things in that book was figurative,to study revelations,you need to have a clear understanding of the Four Gospels,and the Epistles.

Remember Paul himself said,Where Sin did abound,Grace did Much more Abound.
Grace has dominion over Sin,
No amount of Sin will exhaust Grace.

You know what bro(scholar8200),
read Romans and Hebrews again.

sportsmaster:

In essence what you are saying indirectly that the Work of Christ in complete.

Specify what gives you this impression from my post.

Because if Christ paid for your Sins?
1Why would go to hell if Christ paid for your Sins?

If we are faithful to the end and we hold fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast, overcoming to the end, Heaven is sure. But if we fail to do so, remember there are not two Heavens; one for he that overcomes, the other for he that does not overcomes but still ,'believed'.

2the prophet Jeremiah said ahead of time that "In this New Covenant,God will not take account of Your Sins and iniquities,what he will impute against you is righteousness"
Heb8:6-the end,Jeremiah 33,Rom4,Rom5, 2cor3:4-18.Rom 8,otherwise can you say that God lied in nis Promises.

God cannot lie; my position is we still need to be steadfast in faith and holiness of life if these things will continually be ours! Did God not promise Israel the land? Did they not fail to enter by their unbelief? did that mean they were not Abraham's biological seed? Why then did Paul remind the Corinthians of these when he wrote to them if they did not stand the same risk of losing out of God's covenant?

2cor1:19-22 clearly explains that all the Promises of God were fufilled in Christ.

YES! And we stand by faith and are commanded to take heed lest we fall. (Not because if we fell it means we were never standing but because," we are made partakers of Christ (in Whom the promises are fulfilled) IF we hold fast...steadfast to the end."

all those scriptures you quoted,i Urge to get your facts right and study deeper.
When Jesus said he came to fufil the law,what he meant is that he came to fufil the demands of the law,because with the law,the whole world was found guilty.
Jesus is the propritation of the Sins of the whole world.
Jesus is the Lamb of the God that takes away all the Sin of the world,
all you need to do receive all God has done for you in Christ is just to believe and thats all.

Vouchsafe me some of your exegesis as per the highlighted!
But remember Paul said these by the Inspiration of the Spirit:
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, [size=13pt]repentance[/size] toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

And even after we have done the above, we are still warned to:
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 2 Corinthians 13:5

sportsmaster:
read the Psalms of David,david also talked abt the blessedness of this New covenant,he talked about how that Sin will not be imputed,but righteousness will be imputed to your account.

many folks do not understand the book of revelations,
Many things in that book was figurative,to study revelations,you need to have a clear understanding of the Four Gospels,and the Epistles.

Remember Paul himself said,Where Sin did abound,Grace did Much more Abound.
Grace has dominion over Sin,
No amount of Sin will exhaust Grace.

You know what bro(scholar8200),
read Romans and Hebrews again.

Define Grace from the context of your post (herein quoted).

Sin enslaved to unrighteousness; Grace empowers for righteousness and holiness! Romans 6:21,22
Believest thou this?

Scholar8200:
Define Grace from the context of your post (herein quoted).

Sin enslaved to unrighteousness; Grace empowers for righteousness and holiness! Romans 6:21,22
Believest thou this?

did you bother to find out what righteousness and holiness means.

None of them is a function of conduct.
See Exodus 3:5:- the first time the word "Holy" was used.
It was used for a ground.(study deeper),did you bother to find out why the ground was called HOLY.

Secondly Righteousness,Read entire Romans again.
Righteousness came by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

sportsmaster:

did you bother to find out what righteousness and holiness means.

None of them is a function of conduct.
See Exodus 3:5:- the first time the word "Holy" was used.
It was used for a ground.(study deeper),did you bother to find out why the ground was called HOLY.

Secondly Righteousness,Read entire Romans again.
Righteousness came by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Let's see this:
1 Peter 1:14-16
[Live] as children of obedience [to God]; do not conform yourselves to the evil desires [that governed you] in your former ignorance [when you did not know the requirements of the Gospel].
15 But as the One Who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all your conduct and manner of living.
16 For it is written, You shall be holy, for I am holy.
This is the holiness referred to in Scripture.
Also see:
1 John 2:6
Whoever says he abides in Him ought [as [d]a personal debt] to walk and conduct himself in the same way in which He walked and conducted Himself
Or why will Paul, in endeavouring to challenge his converts write this to them if they did not see it themselves:
1 Thessalonians 2:10
Ye are witnesses, and God also, how[b] holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves[/b] among you that believe:

Not by struggling or trying or thinking to get salvation/reconciliation thereby; BUT as an outward testimony of an inward faith and transformation by the Power of the Spirit (grace defined); a proof of the faith which once manifested we are enjoined to continue in if we'll be Eternally secure.

Scholar8200:
Specify what gives you this impression from my post.

[color=red]If[/clor] we are faithful to the end and we hold fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast, overcoming to the end, Heaven is sure. But if we fail to do so, remember there are not two Heavens; one for he that overcomes, the other for he that does not overcomes but still ,'believed'.


God cannot lie; my position is we still need to be steadfast in faith and holiness of life if these things will continually be ours! Did God not promise Israel the land? Did they not fail to enter by their unbelief? did that mean they were not Abraham's biological seed? Why then did Paul remind the Corinthians of these when he wrote to them if they did not stand the same risk of losing out of God's covenant?

YES! And we stand by faith and are commanded to take heed lest we fall. (Not because if we fell it means we were never standing but because," we are made partakers of Christ (in Whom the promises are fulfilled) IF we hold fast...steadfast to the end."

Vouchsafe me some of your exegesis as per the highlighted!
But remember Paul said these by the Inspiration of the Spirit:
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, [size=13pt]repentance[/size] toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

And even after we have done the above, we are still warned to:
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 2 Corinthians 13:5

I can see the word "IF" everywhere in this Post.
But did you read that God's Gift is Unconditional,No man does anything to merit the Gift of God.

All we do to receive a Promise is to believe.
God's promises came without conditions,it was unconditional.
Those Israelites could not enter because of UNBELIEF.
They clearly doubted God promise.read Exodus or Deuteronomy 19-22.
Rejecting God's promise and Sinful conducts are two different things,
read Matt 12:31:
Jesus separated Sin and blasphemy,he said Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only thing that cannot be forgiven.

Did you bother to find out what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is?

Another account hebrews 10:26-29.
You have taken this text out of contect several times,
Reading the preceeding and suceeding texts explains,
it explains rejection/despising of the work of Christ,the writer of Hebrews compared the consequences of rejecting/despising the Law Of Moses and that of Christ.

Eph1 clearly explains that you have Forgiveness of Sins in Christ,it is not until you ask of it,you already have it.

Scholar8200:
Let's see this:
1 Peter 1:14-16
[Live] as children of obedience [to God]; do not conform yourselves to the evil desires [that governed you] in your former ignorance [when you did not know the requirements of the Gospel].
15 But as the One Who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all your conduct and manner of living.
16 For it is written, You shall be holy, for I am holy.

according to exodus3:5
Peter,and every writer of the Epistles admonishes Believers to be Holy in Conduct and manner of living so that Christ may be Seen in Us.Matt5:16,
Rom12:2,col3,eph3,4 and eph5.he was talking about the Christian conduct.you can term it "Personal Holiness"

Notice the fact that these are instructions not Laws,Not fufilling any of these or all of these cannot take you to hell.

I can point out several instructions from the Epistles and the Four Gospels that many of Us (believers) do not take heed to.but that does not mean we will end in hell.
E.g2thess3:1-3:you are to pray for ministers of the Gospel in danger.
eph6:18:- Pray for all Saints
and many others like that,the list is endless.

holiness is from the greek word "haggios" which means sacred,separate unto a Higher Divinity.
Check several dictionaries and lexicons.

When God calls us Holy,it means we are separate unto Him,we are sacred before God.

The ground in exodus 3:5 was called Holy because it was separate unto the Lord.

sportsmaster:


I can see the word "IF" everywhere in this Post.

That's because it is in the Bible!
Romans 11:20-23
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 for [size=14pt]if[/size] God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, [size=14pt]if[/size] thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

But did you read that God's Gift is Unconditional,No man does anything to merit the Gift of God.

All we do to receive a Promise is to believe.
God's promises came without conditions,it was unconditional.

Oh yes there is a condition of faith and repentance else why did Paul emphasize both? And after we have believed there is the condition of continuance in Him through faith the fruit of which is holiness of life and growth therein!

Those Israelites could not enter because of UNBELIEF
They clearly doubted God promise.read Exodus or Deuteronomy 19-22.
Rejecting God's promise and Sinful conducts are two different things,

And those who made it in were thrust out when they failed to continue in the faith. They went back to captivity.

Another account hebrews 10:26-29.
You have taken this text out of contect several times,
Reading the preceeding and suceeding texts explains,
it explains rejection/despising of the work of Christ,the writer of Hebrews compared the consequences of rejecting/despising the Law Of Moses and that of Christ.

Yes but notice that the person thus mentioned was once sanctified and knew the Spirit as the Spirit of grace!

Eph1 clearly explains that you have Forgiveness of Sins in Christ,it is not until you ask of it,you already have it.

Then why must we preach since people have it already? Then why did Paul emphasize repentance and faith in Christ? Indeed, the provision is for the whole world, but did everybody bidden to the supper taste of it? NO. And after others came in, was not somebody thrust out for lack of the right garment?

Scholar8200:
Op, indeed God's purposes are Eternal; however is believing (man's part in appropriating God's provision) an act of the will or a spiritual reflex over which we have no control such that once we believe there exists no possibility of loosing the faith?

Excellent question! Please consider it in the light of the fact that those in Christ are said to have been chosen.

sportsmaster:

according to exodus3:5
Peter,and every writer of the Epistles admonishes Believers to be Holy in Conduct and manner of living so that Christ may be Seen in Us.Matt5:16,
Rom12:2,col3,eph3,4 and eph5.he was talking about the Christian conduct.you can term it "Personal Holiness"

Notice the fact that these are instructions not Laws[b],Not fufilling any of these or all of these cannot take you to hell.[/b]

Yes because if Christ is not seen in us, we are reprobates 2 Corinth 13:5 (none of such gets to Heaven). They are evidences of the grace we received through faith; their absence means our faith is self-deception, no matter what is affirmed.

I can point out several instructions from the Epistles and the Four Gospels that many of Us (believers) do not take heed to.but that does not mean we will end in hell.
E.g2thess3:1-3:you are to pray for ministers of the Gospel in danger.
eph6:18:- Pray for all Saints
and many others like that,the list is endless.

You can only speak for yourself here bro.

holiness is from the greek word "haggios" which means sacred,separate unto a Higher Divinity.
Check several dictionaries and lexicons.

When God calls us Holy,it means we are separate unto Him,we are sacred before God.

The ground in exodus 3:5 was called Holy because it was separate unto the Lord.

Key Word study Bible agrees with your greek rendition but points out that the context of 1 Peter 1:16 uses the word to mean:, 'morally pure, upright,blameless in heart and life'. Fully agreeing with:
1 Peter 1:16 ....be holy in all your conduct and manner of living

Bro, my point is the need to be balanced; Paul speaks of the goodness and severity of God, you sound like Redemption took away the latter which is not true. Israel too made the same mistake,
'we have Abraham to our father' they thought the Everlasting oath made to Abraham meant they could not be plucked out and laid aside but the contrary is right before our eyes!

5solas:

Excellent question! Please consider it in the light of the fact that those in Christ are said to have been chosen.

Which passage are you alluding to here?

Scholar8200:
That's because it is in the Bible!
Romans 11:20-23
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 for [size=14pt]if[/size] God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, [size=14pt]if[/size] thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

you take too many things,vs23 clearly answers it.

Oh yes there is a condition of faith and repentance else why did Paul emphasize both? And after we have believed there is the condition of continuance in Him through faith the fruit of which is holiness of life and growth therein!
And those who made it in were thrust out when they failed to continue in the faith.

another failed observation.
What paul emphasized all through his Epistles was the redemptive realities in Christ for us.Facts of Identification with Christ.
You will see Phrases like "IN CHRIST"'"in whom,by whom,through him," "FOR US"

They went back to captivity.
Yes but notice that the person thus mentioned was once sanctified and knew the Spirit as the Spirit of grace!

Nope he dint,it was talking about the Man that knows that Christ is the truth and yet choose to reject him,just like Atheists.

Then why must we preach since people have it already? Then why did Paul emphasize repentance and faith in Christ? Indeed, the provision is for the whole world, but did everybody bidden to the supper taste of it? NO. And after others came in, was not somebody thrust out for lack of the right garment?

I encourage the fact that good Christian conduct and moral values must be preached ,so that Christ can be seen in our lives.
We do good works so that men will see us and Glorify God.
Good works can never earn you or guarantee your standing with God.it ison the basis of the finished work of Christ.

Final quote,
Despite the fact that good works will be rewarded,they dont save

How do you explain ?
Rom8:1:-
when i get home tonite i will use e-sword and i will post over 100 translations of this Verse.

I cant type it all. Its Too much.
I will be the original greek manuscript too.
One translation says
"there is now no punishment for Sin for those that are in Christ Jesus"

sportsmaster:

you take too many things,vs23 clearly answers it.

Establishing that there is a condition of believing and continuing therein with the necessary fruits of our faith being manifested. Glad we've settled this.

another failed observation.
What paul emphasized all through his Epistles was the redemptive realities in Christ for us.Facts of Identification with Christ.
You will see Phrases like "IN CHRIST"'"in whom,by whom,through him," "FOR US"

Acts 20:21 was what I had in mind. Indeed, he presented these blessed realities but always ended his Epistles showing how our being in Christ manifests by an upright and blameless life. Hold fast to such faith to the end and you are safe.

Nope he dint,it was talking about the Man that knows that Christ is the truth and yet choose to reject him,just like Atheists.

Consider," the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified". He was sanctified meaning he was once saved and set apart
just as the one Peter said had initially escaped the corruptions in the world but turned back thereto.

I encourage the fact that good Christian conduct and moral values must be preached ,so that Christ can be seen in our lives.
We do good works so that men will see us and Glorify God.
Good works can never earn you or guarantee your standing with God.it ison the basis of the finished work of Christ.

The finished work of Christ is the basis of our faith; the faith that works by love and holiness of life!

Scholar8200:

Key Word study Bible agrees with your greek rendition but points out that the context of 1 Peter 1:16 uses the word to mean:, 'morally pure, upright,blameless in heart and life'. Fully agreeing with:
1 Peter 1:16 ....be holy in all your conduct and manner of living
Bro, my point is the need to be balanced; Paul speaks of the goodness and severity of God, you sound like Redemption took away the latter which is not true. Israel too made the same mistake,
'we have Abraham to our father' they thought the Everlasting oath made to Abraham meant they could not be plucked out and laid aside but the contrary is right before our eyes!

i clearly understand your point bro,
did you know that Christ took your place on the Cross.?
He went to hell for you.?
All the punishment for Sin was poured on Jesus.
This is why John said "Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away all the Sin of the world"
he also said "Jesus is the propritation of the Sins of the whole world"
The wrath of God was poured on Jesus Christ.
So that you and I can live in Christ.
This is the exact reason why Paul majored on the Redemptive realities in Christ and Identification with Christ.

sportsmaster:
How do you explain ?
Rom8:1:-
when i get home tonite i will use e-sword and i will post over 100 translations of this Verse.

I cant type it all. Its Too much.
I will be the original greek manuscript too.
One translation says
"there is now no punishment for Sin for those that are in Christ Jesus"

Because his past (Roman 3:25) sins have been dealt with; and being rooted and grounded in the faith of Christ, in Whom sin has no power, he is enabled to walk even as Christ walked (blamelessness of heart and life)1 John 2:6.

All this will hold as long as he reckons himself dead unto the power of sin hence he does not yield himself to the motions of sin rather, he yields himself to righteousness unto holiness realising that:
... if you continually surrender yourselves to anyone to do his will, you are the slaves of him whom you obey, whether that be to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience which leads to righteousness (right doing and right standing with God)? Roman 6:16.

When there is an occasional/inadvertent slip, he mourns and by faith realises that he has an Advocate with the Father, but he also realises that steps must be taken to avert continual recurrence lest he holds the truth in unrighteousness Romans 1:18b or become a reprobate 2 Corinth 13:5.

Kindly include the translations for Romans 8:4,13.

Scholar8200:
Which passage are you alluding to here?

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Eph. 1
1 ¶ Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


2 Thessalonians 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Gal. 4: 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

sportsmaster:

i clearly understand your point bro,
did you know that Christ took your place on the Cross.?
He went to hell for you.?
All the punishment for Sin was poured on Jesus.
This is why John said "Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away all the Sin of the world"
he also said "Jesus is the propritation of the Sins of the whole world"
The wrath of God was poured on Jesus Christ.
So that you and I can live in Christ.
This is the exact reason why Paul majored on the Redemptive realities in Christ and Identification with Christ.

I believe these! In fact when we believe, the Holy Spirit moves in and makes it real in our lives! When we by faith set our minds and affections on these, we walk in Heaven's light! But I must be rooted and grounded and be not moved away from this faith if I will make it in the end. Jesus said so," that which you have already hold fast... hold fast that no man take your crown"

5solas:

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Eph. 1
1 ¶ Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


2 Thessalonians 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Gal. 4: 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

This does not mean they were marked for salvation from the beginning! We decide if we'll be among the chosen or not;

The highlighted were God's original plan for Adam and his before the fall! These were no knee jerk reactions of an angry God whose creatures were enticed. That Adam fell did not mean God's plan for man had been permanently truncated! The only means this would have been achieved is if satan had succeeded in making them take of the Tree of Life then, that original plan would have been forever forfeited. The delay of the state in which Adam was to live forever shows that God still had plans for him and that is one of the reasons why the severe but beneficial action of chasing him out of the garden had to be taken Genesis 3:22.




Else the two quotes below needs be explained:

1 Timothy 1:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth

and
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Scholar8200:
This does not mean they were marked for salvation from the beginning! We decide if we'll be among the chosen or not;

The highlighted were God's original plan for Adam and his before the fall! These were no knee jerk reactions of an angry God whose creatures were enticed. That Adam fell did not mean God's plan for man had been permanently truncated! The only means this would have been achieved is if satan had succeeded in making them take of the Tree of Life then, that original plan would have been forever forfeited. The delay of the state in which Adam was to live forever shows that God still had plans for him and that is one of the reasons why the severe but beneficial action of chasing him out of the garden had to be taken Genesis 3:22.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

5solas:


2 Thessalonians 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Still explaining that the blessings of the Gospel was not God's response to man's fall but God's plan which He still executed though man fell. Adam after his creation was not meant to die (sin that brought death had not come); however, Adam was to be allowed to choose what state he would live forever. The fact that God did not forbid eating from the Tree of life proves this. In fact God warned Adam just as HE said to Israel," behold I set before you life and death...choose life that you... may live".

It was God's original purpose:
Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Meaning apart from sharing His Image and Likeness and having dominion, God had other higher plans for man but man's free will was not to be dispensed with hence there was a time lag between the fulfilment and even after he fell,God's love found a way to avoid our missing His best because Adam fell. When I talk of other plans, remember Adam was never described as an heir of God or one to be seated together with Him! These were God's plan: that man will be adopted sons and joint heirs with Jesus His Only Begotten.

I see it this way, after creating everything, GOD Who Is Essentially Love (and Love always gives) desired a creature that He could continually give of His Inexhaustible Fullness to. That is why God's Fullness only identifies with our faith: expression of our emptiness and nothingness.

There is no such thing as UNCONDITIONAL ETERNAL SECURITY.
eternal Security is conditional, the condition is believing to the very end

Scholar8200:
Still explaining that the blessings of the Gospel was not God's response to man's fall but God's plan which He still executed though man fell. Adam after his creation was not meant to die (sin that brought death had not come); however, Adam was to be allowed to choose what state he would live forever. The fact that God did not forbid eating from the Tree of life proves this. In fact God warned Adam just as HE said to Israel," behold I set before you life and death...choose life that you... may live".

It was God's original purpose:
Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Meaning apart from sharing His Image and Likeness and having dominion, God had other higher plans for man but man's free will was not to be dispensed with hence there was a time lag between the fulfilment and even after he fell,God's love found a way to avoid our missing His best because Adam fell. When I talk of other plans, remember Adam was never described as an heir of God or one to be seated together with Him! These were God's plan: that man will be adopted sons and joint heirs with Jesus His Only Begotten.

I see it this way, after creating everything, GOD Who Is Essentially Love (and Love always gives) desired a creature that He could continually give of His Inexhaustible Fullness to. That is why God's Fullness only identifies with our faith: expression of our emptiness and nothingness.

You don't seem to understand that verse! It is not addressed to ALL. It is addressed to believers! To those in faith! That their believing was of Him.

5solas:
You don't seem to understand that verse! It is not addressed to ALL. It is addressed to believers! To those in faith! That their believing was of Him.

But He died for all didnt He? And the command to preach the Gospel is that all men may hear and have the opportunity to believe or reject His Provision, isnt it? From your logic, the whosoever in John 3:16 is not sincere sins it has nothing to do with their choice, this is wrong. How about John 1:12?