Let me use this opportunity to tell a story.
A few years ago, I was to be the bestman in my firend's wedding. During the course of the rehearsals at his small anglical church,I met the priest, a simple middle-aged man. Although I am not religious, I found him to be simple, open-minded and accomodating even after I made my aversion to religion know to him. I was so intrigued that I decided to attend one of their sunday services.
After the service, the pastor was giving a monthly financial report to his flock. He revealed that for the previous month, after all their expenses(including the pastor's allowance or salary) that they had a surplus of abt $4000.
The pastor now asked for suggestions from his flock as to the best way to spend the surplus money. After hearing few suggestions, One of the church members mentioned that she had seen , on the internet, a picture of a very old dilapidated and run down primary school in Timbuktu, Mali . She suggested that that money be used to renovate and rebuild that school. Everyone agree and immediately a committee was formed to contact the school and see what and how they could go about the assistance. I was so thrilled, that I volunteered to be involved even though I was not a member of their church.
A few weeks later, it disclosed that abt $8000 was needed to to rebuild the school, so the church asked members to contribute in order to raise the additional sum.

Six months later, the school was rebuilt along with new desks for the pupils and i felt proud to be a small part of that great act of charity.
Although I did not continue to attend the church, that example would have been the best greatest motivation to follow the Christian path.

Man, it is done in all churches. as you said, you went to the church, had it been you weren't there, would you had noticed this? It is from this same tithe that the church you attended was built, even the chair you sat did nt fall from heaven.

Acidosis:

Man, it is done in all churches. as you said, you went to the church, had it been you weren't there, would you had noticed this? It is from this same tithe that the church you attended was built, even the chair you sat did nt fall from heaven.

How do you know the money was from the tithe in this instance? Perhaps it was from simply freewill giving of however much the congregation decided in their own hearts to give? Please do not assume that every church collect tithes.

call it free will, or tithe or seed or anything, the product is money. And this money is what is been used to maintain the church. If you were asked to attend a church without no chair, no roof, no light, would you attend?
And again I do not regard it a church, a pastor, prophet, pope or Bishop who does not ask for tithes i.e 1/10 of our income from his members. Call me anything but IT IS CLEARLY STATED IN MY BIBLE except such a congregation has its own version of the "bible".

Hutchie:

How do you know the money was from the tithe in this instance? Perhaps it was from simply freewill giving of however much the congregation decided in their own hearts to give? Please do not assume that every church collect tithes.

THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU. TRADITIONS AND TEACHINGS OF MEN HAVE SIMPLY EATEN DEEP INTO THE HEART OF MEN TO THE POINT THAT PEOPLE NOW THINKS GOD CANNOT BLESS THEM WITHOUT THE TRADITION OF PAYING THIS TITHE OF A THING. THE POSTER SIMPLY SAID THE PRIEST ASKED THE MEMBERS TO DONATE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, MEANING FREE-WILL DONATIONS OR GIVING AND SOMEONE CAME UP WITH IDEA THAT IT WAS TITHE. WHEN THE WISE MEN CAME TO WORSHIP JESUS AND OFFERED GIFTS IN THOSE DAYS IN THEIR WISDOM AND NOT LOOSING IT BUT CHURCH PEOPLE WORSHIP JESUS TODAY WITHOUT THEIR SENSE SANCTIFIED. I WEEP FOR THIS GENERATION.

Acidosis:

call it free will, or tithe or seed or anything, the product is money. And this money is what is been used to maintain the church. If you were asked to attend a church without no chair, no roof, no light, would you attend?
And again I do not regard it a church, a pastor, prophet, pope or Bishop who does not ask for tithes i.e 1/10 of our income from his members. Call me anything but IT IS CLEARLY STATED IN MY BIBLE except such a congregation has its own version of the "bible".

MY BROTHER, WE DONT DEBATE THE WORD OF GOD OR ARGUE IT. I URGE YOU TO GET REVELATION FROM SAME BIBLE. THE FACT THAT A THING IS WRITTEN IN D BIBLE DOESNT MAKE IT BASES OF DOCTRINE. TITHE IS RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS THAT DOESNT PRODUCE FRUIT BUT GIVING DOES. GOD CAN ASK YOU MORE THAN TITHE, THIS IS OBEDIENCE AND THE NEW WAY OF NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH. PLEASE READ MY ARTICLE ON TITHE. I USED TO TITHE IN THE PAST BUT WHEN I GOT REVELATION ON IT ON SOMETHING MORE THAN TITHE, I STOPED IT. GOD BLESS YOU.

Acidosis:

call it free will, or tithe or seed or anything, the product is money. And this money is what is been used to maintain the church. If you were asked to attend a church without no chair, no roof, no light, would you attend?
And again I do not regard it a church, a pastor, prophet, pope or Bishop who does not ask for tithes i.e 1/10 of our income from his members. Call me anything but IT IS CLEARLY STATED IN MY BIBLE except such a congregation has its own version of the "bible".

PLEASE, PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND STUDY IT IN YOUR OWN TIME, IT'S A BIT LENGTHY. PLEASE STUDY IT WITH OPEN MIND AND LET GOD SPEAK TO YOU IN HIS WORD. GOD BLESS YOU.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-848459.0.html

I do not need to read your article, goshen. I've got the message already, but I'll strongly advice you repent and start paying because the bible that I read call you THIEF for not paying your tithe, you have robbed God, I dont need to tell you that you arent better than the robbers carrying weapons. Stop using common sense when it comes to the word of God, let the spirit of God direct you thru the word. Or have you not come across the verse of the bible about tithe?

Acidosis:

Stop using common sense when it comes to the word of God,

lol

Classic!!!!

Acidosis:

I do not need to read your article, goshen. I've got the message already, but I'll strongly advice you repent and start paying because the bible that I read call you THIEF for not paying your tithe, you have robbed God, I dont need to tell you that you arent better than the robbers carrying weapons. Stop using common sense when it comes to the word of God, let the spirit of God direct you thru the word. Or have you not come across the verse of the bible about tithe?

Well, this is not about arguing the word of God my brother. When you take one verse of the bible and sit on it, you dont get the full revelation. Do what you do in the kingdom of God. I have paid tithe all my life but when I get this revelation from the word of God, then it is wise for me to change. Keep paying it if you can. What are you robbing from God when God gave it to you in the first place? Am not using common sense in the word of God and even if I do, God said, come let us reason together. I am a born again Christian and I allow the Holy Spirit convince me of the word of God and give me revelation. The revelation that i speak about is, Tithe is just as a religious traditions in the time of Moses. we are no longer under the law but the unending grace of God. If 10% is the only thing God deserves in your life, I guess you personally need to question your salvation. Giving abundantly and freely is what God demands from us in this age. We are not under the age of law of Moses.

God bless you my brother. Shalom!

@goshen, for the fact that you have been given tithe, it did not work for you, does not mean that you should now twist the scripture to favour your own discoveries or revelations. Tithe or no tithe, people will continue to give to the work of God,till Jesus comes, christians will even give 90% of their income to God, it cannot be changed. Besides, it is not your business to dictate to christians, how to spend their hard earned money. God bless you. God2man.

God2man,

Brother, pls what does God, the omnipotent, the all knowing, need our tithes for?

What can you possibly give to one that created everything?

It is man that needs tithes,offering or anything material as it is our nature to need such.

So tell me what does God need our tithes for?

Thanks.

@ God2man,
Well, I have not imposed any teaching on people of God and also, I didn't twist the bible against giving tithe. God is just breaking the barrier of common tithe alone. I have made this clear. I love God and the true church, hence no one can say he loves God when he cannot support the work of God. The truth is, the work of God goes beyond just giving tithe, this is the revelation am talking about. Like you just said, God can demand your whole 100%, Obedience to that is when God blesses. The church kills the blessing of God by just telling people to tithe and it ends there. People should be taught giving, and that goes beyond tithing.  

Shalom!

Na wa.
All this argument of tithe or no tithe. Did you miss the full import of the post?
What do you do with the bleeping tithe money? Thats the bleeping question.
Where in the bible does it tell a christian to ignore your fellow humans in need and give to god? Are the funds remitted  to heaven.?
In my story, I mentioned that church used their surplus funds(tithes, offerings and so on.) to do an act of charity.
Is tithe a special type of fund that should go to where? Where? Where?

Acidosis:

Man, it is done in all churches. as you said, you went to the church, had it been you weren't there, would you had noticed this? It is from this same tithe that the church you attended was built, even the chair you sat did nt fall from heaven.

And your point is??
In case you do not know, Surplus means what is left over after all church related expenses. Unless you are trying to tell me that all Nigerian churches are running financial deficits every month.
The early christian missionaries left the comfort of their homelands, took very little and gave back so much. The best schools, the best hospitals and charities were established and run by th christian missionaries.
I challange you to list any(even one) Nigerian evqngelical church that is involved with any known charity.
I challange you to list any evangelical church in nigeria that is running a primary school or a daycare center even just for the church members with their surplus funds.

Alright I'll tell you. Sheperd's House, one of the largest church in Benue state, Nigeria. Founder is Bro Gbile Akanni.
He has a well structured, primary and secondary college, with a standard boarding facility. Guess what? Students fee is #0.00. Teachers who also happens to be members of the church agreed to be paid NOTHING.
You categorised missonary schools like they are 'saints', let me tell i attended one in my primary nd it was the most expensive in town as at then. We paid 6000, publicschools paid 200 to 300 naira. I can give you names, my cousin sister attended one, saint monicas college, her fees what twice my fee in a Federalgovt. college.
The list go on and on

some even rant rubbish to defend catholics as if madonna university is not one.
The summary of the whole thing is, the kingdom of God is not of works and not by charity. Let Bill Gates give all he has for charity. If he's not born again, at the end he'll regret it. God is not a man that he would lie, and none of his word shall go void.

plaetton:

Is tithe a special type of fund that should go to where? Where? Where?

The tithe as practice today is the creation of the pastors So the use of the fund will vary from one church to another. That's the pastor's prerogative

Acidosis:

some even rant rubbish to defend catholics as if madonna university is not one.
The summary of the whole thing is, the kingdom of God is not of works and not by charity. Let Bill Gates give all he has for charity. If he's not born again, at the end he'll regret it. God is not a man that he would lie, and none of his word shall go void.

Tithe as it exists today in the mind of many Christians like yourself is now a 'bribe' to be paid to 'God' to assuage yourselves of guilt.

Tithe was relevant in the old covenant. As christians we are under the new covenant. Never once did Jesus command his flock to pay tithes. Of all the parables delivered by Jesus Christ, 90+% are of helping the needy, showing love and charity. 0% is about tithing.

If you feel like giving God 10% of your income as 'tithe', head over to the nearest orphanage or motherless babies home and give them that money. Afterall, Jesus Christ told YOU that whatever you do to the least of his brethren, that you do unto him.

Learn to adhere to the words and teachings of Jesus instead of your pastors and instead of cherry picking Old Testament verses (heavily intertwined with the Law of Moses).

i dont knw if this is right or wrong, but an inner voice keeps telling me to use my tithe to buy stuffs for an orphanage home. 
and i want to do so this weekend

some pple pay tithes for d wrong reasons and wit a wrong mindset.its better not to pay it if u dont really believe in it.

with tithing, the devourer is rebuked 4 ur sake.tht means things like sickness and unnecessary bills dont come ur way. i bliv in tithing and bliv it or not, i hardly fall sick and beyond my salary, i get legit money from angles dt i cant imagine.

in my church, we do a LOT for d less privileged bt my pastor doesnt bliv in broadcasting it. last year, we bought foodstuffs clothes and things for pple in south sudan tht jst separated. provided electricity and bought a big gen 4 an orphange there. shared things for pple n evangelists there.

and durin xmas, we bought complete xmas clothes n shoes 4 d children in d orphanage. some churches do stuff.dont stand from afar and judge

@maki, if u bliv in tithing, u'l know that u cnt interchange both. if u want to do something else 4 someone in need,its a choice.u dont need 2 sacrifice ur tithe.

for instance, if u usually give ur mum a monthly stipend ot 10k and then someone truly in need comes to u 4 help, would u give ur mums stipend to tht person?

dis is not ur mom we r talking abt sha.its GOD. he gave u d money in d first place.

plaetton:

Let me use this opportunity to tell a story.
A few years ago, I was to be the bestman in my firend's wedding. During the course of the rehearsals at his small anglical church,I met the priest, a simple middle-aged man. Although I am not religious, I found him to be simple, open-minded and accomodating even after I made my aversion to religion know to him. I was so intrigued that I decided to attend one of their sunday services.
After the service, the pastor was giving a monthly financial report to his flock. He revealed that for the previous month, after all their expenses(including the pastor's allowance or salary) that they had a surplus of abt $4000.
The pastor now asked for suggestions from his flock as to the best way to spend the surplus money. After hearing few suggestions, One of the church members mentioned that she had seen , on the internet, a picture of a very old dilapidated and run down primary school in Timbuktu, Mali . She suggested that that money be used to renovate and rebuild that school. Everyone agree and immediately a committee was formed to contact the school and see what and how they could go about the assistance. I was so thrilled, that I volunteered to be involved even though I was not a member of their church.
A few weeks later, it disclosed that abt $8000 was needed to to rebuild the school, so the church asked members to contribute in order to raise the additional sum.

Six months later, the school was rebuilt along with new desks for the pupils and i felt proud to be a small part of that great act of charity.
Although I did not continue to attend the church, that example would have been the best greatest motivation to follow the Christian path.

Tithe income cannot be used for renovation of school, this is error on the part of the pastor. The members supposed to contribute money seperately for such gesture. Tithe should not be taken as offering for charity.

@ima ima

so r u saying God will not be happy with me if i use my tithe for the less privilege.

maki:

i dont knw if this is right or wrong, but an inner voice keeps telling me to use my tithe to buy stuffs for an orphanage home.  
and i want to do so this weekend

Relax and think deeply babe. Do you really think on the last day, judgement day, the good Lord will send you to hell for using that N20,000 you could have given your church as tiithe but didnt because you had doubts but instead bought clothes, food, toys e.t.c worth the same amount and took it to a motherless babies home where the suffering of young children was clearly evident?

If the God is just like the Bible says he is, IMHO the issue will not even come up on the day.

highland:

Tithe income cannot be used for renovation of school, this is error on the part of the pastor. The members supposed to contribute money seperately for such gesture. Tithe should not be taken as offering for charity.

What should tithes be used for then?

asking a pastor what he does with tithes is like[b] asking your father, what he does with his monthly salary[/b].

Acidosis:

asking a pastor what he does with tithes is like[b] asking your father, what he does with his monthly salary[/b].

You are lost mate. no redemption for you.

maki:

i dont knw if this is right or wrong, but an inner voice keeps telling me to use my tithe to buy stuffs for an orphanage home. 
and i want to do so this weekend

stop deceiving yourself, you wanna use common sense. Now you're forgetting that the sameGod that gave you a brain asked you to bring your tithe to his house. Pay your tithe to your church, and leave the decision to the pastor as to what he wants to do with it. You can always give orphanage homes as a seed that is sure to yield some fruits for you here on earth

norrisman:

You are lost mate. no redemption for you.

are you my redeemer? can you die for me?

Ima Ima:

some pple pay tithes for d wrong reasons and wit a wrong mindset.its better not to pay it if u dont really believe in it.

with tithing, the devourer is rebuked 4 ur sake.tht means things like sickness and unnecessary bills dont come ur way. i bliv in tithing and bliv it or not, i hardly fall sick and beyond my salary, i get legit money from angles dt i cant imagine.

in my church, we do a LOT for d less privileged bt my pastor doesnt bliv in broadcasting it. last year, we bought foodstuffs clothes and things for pple in south sudan tht jst separated. provided electricity and bought a big gen 4 an orphange there. shared things for pple n evangelists there.

and durin xmas, we bought complete xmas clothes n shoes 4 d children in d orphanage. some churches do stuff.dont stand from afar and judge

Your church is indeed a good church if as you say all monies received is been spent judiciously on projects like the ones you listed and not being kept in intrest bearing accounts and for the pastor to be stupendously rich.

I understand you do not fall sick and you get money from other areas. Why do you think this is happening just because you pay tithes? Do they pay tithes in Dubai? why are they so rich and have better life expentancy than Nigerians. Do Bill Gates, warren Buffet and Carlso Slim pay tithes? In fact i just read in the papers this morning that Bill Gates is giving another $750million to help in the work against fighting the scourge of AIDS.Why isnt there a known tither in the top 10 richest men in the world?

Acidosis:

stop deceiving yourself, you wanna use common sense. Now you're forgetting that the sameGod that gave you a brain asked you to bring your tithe to his house. Pay your tithe to your church, and leave the decision to the pastor as to what he wants to do with it. You can always give orphanage homes as a seed that is sure to yield some fruits for you here on earth

Scenario: I am a business man and I am always away from home. Up to 42 Sundays a year so I am not a memebr of a church. I just go to any church I can find in the cities business takes me to. Will God punish me with hell fire for using my 10% tithe money to buy essentials for an orphangae run by a churchin a random city?

Acidosis:

stop deceiving yourself, you wanna use common sense. Now you're forgetting that the sameGod that gave you a brain asked you to bring your tithe to his house. Pay your tithe to your church, and leave the decision to the pastor as to what he wants to do with it. You can always give orphanage homes as a seed that is sure to yield some fruits for you here on earth

one can imagine the way u think.
i believe u read my post with no understanding, u wouldnt have used those words like 'stop decieving yourself'.
you must be one desperate guy that collects money from people by every means possible.