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Celebrating Mawlid by tbaba12345: 8:04am On Feb 03, 2012
Ruling of Mawlid

Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

There is no festival in Islamic sharee’ah that is called “The Prophet’s Birthday”. Neither the Sahaabah nor the Taabi’een nor the four imams nor anyone else recognized such a day as part of their religion. Rather this festival was introduced by some ignorant Baatini innovators, then the people began to follow this innovation but the imams have denounced it in every time and place.

Secondly:

Based on this, everything that the people do specially for this day is regarded as haraam, innovated actions, because they intend thereby to keep alive a festival that has been introduced into our religion, such as holding parties, offering food and so on.

Shaykh al-Fawzaan said in al-Bayaan li Akhta’ ba’d al-Kuttaab (268-270):

The commands in the Qur'aan and Sunnah to follow that which has been prescribed by Allaah and His Messenger and the prohibition against introducing innovations into the religion are well known. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم to mankind): “If you (really) love Allaah, then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Qur’aan and the Sunnah), Allaah will love you and forgive you your sins”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:31]

“[Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) to these idolaters (pagan Arabs) of your folk:] Follow what has been sent down unto you from your Lord (the Qur’aan and Prophet Muhammad’s Sunnah), and follow not any Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers who order you to associate partners in worship with Allaah), besides Him (Allaah). Little do you remember!”

[al-A’raaf 7:3]

“And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path”

[al-An’aam 6:153]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours that is not part of it will have it rejected.” According to a version narrated by Muslim: “Whoever does any deed that is not part of this matter of ours will have it rejected.”

For more read: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/89693/birthday

Sheikh Waleed Basyouni says:

There is no authentic narration that the Prophet Muhammad (sala Allah wa salam) was born in 12 Rabee'a Al-Awaal. Abu Jafar AlTabry said it was in Ramadan, other said in Rabee'a Al-Awaal but what day? 2 (Ibn Abdualbar ),8 (Ibn Hazem and many of Ahlu Alhadeeth),10,12 (Ibn Ishaq),16,23.

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Re: Celebrating Mawlid by Araboy(m): 12:20pm On Feb 03, 2012
I am not surprised to see this type of ruling (Fatwa) coming from walid Basyouni a typical wahabi scholar

The vice president of Al maghrib institute graduated from Saudi Arabia he studied under the supervision of two of the 

most rigid and extreme  wahabi scholars Ibn baz and Al afifi

Today in the muslim world there are different opinions about The Mawlid itself some Muslims like walid and his 

wahabi teachers say it is bida"a (innovation) others say it is advisable


These salafis who say it is bida have no proof and even if we accept their argument they forgot that there are some

good bida a

We do celebrate Mawlid to praise The Prophet and remember Him

Allah Says to the prophet in the Holy Quran "I am narrating to you the stories of the previous Prophets to fortify your

Heart " I would say it is very good idea for a muslim also to listen to the stories of The Prophet to fortify his heart 

and himself

For this reason and since the third century of hijra the Muslims may I say good Muslims are celebrating the Birth of

The Prophet every year

Muslims from Senegal to Indonisia celebrate this occasion by reading the poems of Imam Al Buseri especially his burda and

Hamziya in which he praised The Prophet Person and Character I believe any Muslim will gain out from celebrating 

and remembering this great celebration As Muslims we do love The Prophet more than ourselves but we do not worship

him We bear witness that there is no God but Allah and We bear witness that Prophet Mohamed is His servant and

Messenger We also believe The Prophet is in the second position after Allah We believe He is not an ordinary Person like 

sadly some of these salafis might believe that He was an ordinary Person that if he died and we buried Him that the

end of Him  !!  Subhana Allah Amma Yu Shrikun
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by tbaba12345: 1:19pm On Feb 03, 2012
simple questions: Did the prophet, his companions celebrate his birthday?
Was it celebrated by the first and second generations after?
What authentic hadith shows you the birthday of the prophet?

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Re: Celebrating Mawlid by BetaThings: 3:55pm On Feb 03, 2012
Araboy:

I am not surprised to see this type of ruling (Fatwa) coming from walid Basyouni a typical wahabi scholar

The vice president of Al maghrib institute graduated from Saudi Arabia he studied under the supervision of two of the 

most rigid and extreme  wahabi scholars Ibn baz and Al afifi

Today in the muslim world there are different opinions about The Mawlid itself some Muslims like walid and his 

wahabi teachers say it is bida"a (innovation) others say it is advisable


If there is difference of opinion, we resolve the matter by looking at the evidence because

"Whoever introduces a new matter into our deen, which is not originally part of it, will have it rejected." (Muslim)

Araboy:


These salafis who say it is bida have no proof and even if we accept their argument they forgot that there are some

good bida
a


The Prophet (PBUH) said every bid'ah is misguidance
I prefer the opinion that says that everybody who introduces a new thing to Islam sincerely believes it is a good thing
Hence VIRTUALLY every bid'ah is "good"
If people actually believed that some bid'ah are "bad", they would not do it
So it is actually the "good" bid'ah that the Prophet (PBUH) warned against
People repent from sin, but not from bid'ah


Araboy:

I believe any Muslim will gain out from celebrating 

and remembering this great celebration As Muslims we do love The Prophet more than ourselves


You have taken sides on this matter which you concede is in dispute
It will be useful to just provide evidence that the best generations did it
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 4:00pm On Feb 03, 2012
Not a very important argument in my opinion, so leave the matter already. Na oversabi they worry many of us!
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by BetaThings: 4:22pm On Feb 03, 2012
^^^
On matter of bid'ah concerning act of worship (which has some penalty), better to allow people air their views
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 4:29pm On Feb 03, 2012
BetaThings:

^^^
On matter of bid'ah concerning act of worship (which has some penalty), better to allow people air their views

It is not as complex as you guys make it. I am ambivalent on the matter- what Nigerians especially in Yoruba land do with the concept is another matter altogether though.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by BetaThings: 5:54pm On Feb 03, 2012
^^^^
Tell us your opinion on the matter. From what I have read, it is bid'ah. But I am always willing to listen to a superior argument
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by LagosShia: 7:30pm On Feb 03, 2012
it is not bid'ah to mark the birthday of the Prophet (sa),the 12 Imams (as) and members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and even prophets of Allah whose dates are known.

for it to be bid'ah it must be haram.any act that is not haram based on the Quran and the sunnah of Rasulullah (as) and the 12 rightly guided caliphs (as) is not bid'ah. a bid'ah must be haram act.if it is not haram act,then it is not bid'ah.that is the way to know a bid'ah.otherwise,using computer to preach Islam is also bid'ah and copying the kuffar because they invented the internet.

as for those saying birthday is pagan in origin,then must know that we are neither emulating the pagans nor worshipping the person whose birthday we are celebratory nor believing as the pagans did.

it is however not an obligatory act to celebrate birthdays of the chosen ones of Allah (swt).not marking it does not render one sinful nor does it make him less of a muslim and lover of the Prophet (sa).
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 8:05pm On Feb 03, 2012
My opinion on the matter is that the Prophet (SAW) never celebrated his birthday in the real sense of the word but there is evidence that he deliberately fasted on Mondays because he was born on that day.

Secondly, it has now become a historical fact, we are not his live companions who see, talk to or touch him. Hence, we are forced to acknowledge that the 12th of Rabiul Awwal is the day he was born as part of history. Just as you would remember any historical figure because the date of their birth is known to you.

Remembering this surely cannot be said to be Haram. Sitting down to learn about him as part of his legacy cannot be said to be Haram as well.

As for declaring holidays in a place like Nigeria, would you rather that an holiday was declared for Sango?

Enjoy the attention the Prophet will get on Monday (in Nigeria) abeg. Let people talk about his life, legacy and teachings.

This is my simple submission.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by deols(f): 8:19pm On Feb 03, 2012

"Whoever introduces a new matter into our deen, which is not originally part of it, will have it rejected." (Muslim)


the above sums it up.

We all believe Islam is complete. Nothing was left unsaid in the Qur'an and the prophet didnt forget to tell us anything- but many people's actions say otherwise.

To me,Islam is very simple. Whatever the prophet taught us to do,found in the Qur'an and the authentic ahadith is fine. Any other thing(act of worship) is bid'ah and a misguidance.

But I wonder why as simple as the above is, people go about bringing 'justifications' for maulud. Many of the time, it is just about, not wanting to feel wrong or not wanting to accept that the practice you have known from childhood is wrong- arrogance.  

The prophet spoke about two things we should be careful of, extremism and inadequacy(not sure of the exact text). many people think the likes of the boko harams are the only ones in extremes, But I think when you start doing what the prophet did not do, you are on the extreme side- which is even worse than the inadequacy.

WaAllahu a'lam.

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Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 8:35pm On Feb 03, 2012
^You said so much and missed the goal by a mile. The question is: are we inventing the birth of the Prophet? (SAW) or are we going to pretend as if we don't know his birthdate?

So, if I wake-up tomorrow and call young children together and tell them a little about the Prophet, I have committed a sin?

It is not enough to quote an hadith, you should check if you are applying it correctly. For crying-out loud Adhan was called without microphones during the lifetime of the Prophet, are we going to say prayers said in mosques where microphones are used are not valid?

The Prophet (SAW) was asked why he fasted on Mondays, he says it is because he was born on that day- does that not signify to you that he holds some attachment no matter how meagre to it?

I don't support a lot of the things that are done under the umbrella of Maulud Nabiyy but let us not be simplistic and narrow in our thinking, abeg.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by deols(f): 8:44pm On Feb 03, 2012
^^ u thnk my reply was to u? what goal are u talking about. i made a point, if not okay by u, simply move on. I stand on what I said.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by tbaba12345: 8:53pm On Feb 03, 2012
maclatunji:

^You said so much and missed the goal by a mile. The question is: are we inventing the birth of the Prophet? (SAW) or are we going to pretend as if we don't know his birthdate?

So, if I wake-up tomorrow and call young children together and tell them a little about the Prophet, I have committed a sin?

It is not enough to quote an hadith, you should check if you are applying it correctly. For crying-out loud Adhan was called without microphones during the lifetime of the Prophet, are we going to say prayers said in mosques where microphones are used are not valid?

The Prophet (SAW)  was asked why he fasted on Mondays, he says it is because he was born on that day- does that not signify to you that he holds some attachment no matter how meagre to it?

I don't support a lot of the things that are done under the umbrella of Maulud Nabiyy but let us not be simplistic and narrow in our thinking, abeg.

^Microphones enable us to carry out an act of ibadah and they do not represent the act itself.  We are not talking about technological innovations , we are talking about innovation in acts of worship.

So the prophet fasted on Mondays, many Muslims fast on Mondays as part of the sunnah.

That was all he did, any extra thing is an innovation.

You can call children together and tell them about the prophet any day of the year,

And Allah knows best!

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Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 9:16pm On Feb 03, 2012
tbaba12345:

^Microphones enable us to carry out an act of ibadah and they do not represent the act itself.  We are not talking about technological innovations , we are talking about innovation in acts of worship.

So the prophet fasted on Mondays, many Muslims fast on Mondays as part of the sunnah.

That was all he did, any extra thing is an innovation.

You can call children together and tell them about the prophet any day of the year,

And Allah knows best!


Tbaba, you know very well that you can carry-out that act of Ibadah without the microphone, it does not enable anything. We don't delay prayer if we cannot find a microphone so leave that matter.

You acknowledge that he commemorated it with fasting- good. Now you want us to pretend that we don't know the day he was born and let it pass as inconsequential- you are being naïve and simplistic.

I help organise an annual lecture around this date (it may not fall exactly on the date but this year it does) and I don't see it at a par with EID Prayer or anything compulsory or Sunnah. Like LagosShia said, I am no better than you in this regard. I would put it in the same light as eating or sleeping, not every act is judged as Ibadah in the way you are trying to portray it.

Look we are not very far apart on this issue but when you start creating threads to make it look like a sin to commemorate the birth of the Holy Prophet (SAW) I have a problem with that. It has absolutism written all over it which is wrong.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 9:25pm On Feb 03, 2012
deols:

^^ u thnk my reply was to u? what goal are u talking about. i made a point, if not okay by u, simply move on. I stand on what I said.

Who said your response was directed at me? Your response did not address the topic. Knowing and remembering the birthday of the man we all love so much is an innovation that you are trying to put under the Hadith you quoted, abi?

You have a right to stick to your post, just like I have a right to call-you-out on it.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by BetaThings: 9:40pm On Feb 03, 2012
I would rather we dealt with this matter without any harsh words
Please everyone

I don't agree with Brother MacLatunji though

The point Tbaba was making, in my opinion, is this
The adhan should be made by a human being. If he uses a microphone to make his voice carry far away, no problem with that
Indeed, people who are close to the muedhin will hear his direct voice more than the sound from the loud speaker
But we cannot make adhan by recorded tape

The Prophet in my opinion did not do anything special on the 12th of Rabiul Awwal. We should remember that.

As for fasting on Mondays. He gave 2 reasons in Muslim
1. It was the day he was born
2. It was the day he became a prophet or revelation was made to him

and added a 3rd relating to Mondays and Thursdays
3.  “Deeds are shown (to Allaah) on Mondays and Thursdays, and I like my deeds to be shown when I am fasting.”  (Tirmidhi)

This is part of the hadith in Muslim

",,,,,He was then asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: It was the day on which I was born. on which I was commissioned with prophethood or revelation was sent to me,,,,,,,, (Muslim)

As regards that day being devoted to the worship of Sango, I don't think that is possible. The Nigerian government cannot take it away from Muslims and give it to others.

The best use of it is to add it to the holidays of Eid-ul-Adha so that we can have more days of tashreek as public holiday
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by BetaThings: 9:45pm On Feb 03, 2012
BTW my view is that innovation has to do with acts of worship
The way anyone chooses to drive a car is his business. It cannot be bid'ah

If an act of worship is to be established, it must have a precedent
If people desire that mawlid be an act of ibadah, then they should show us how the past (and best) generations did it
And I will jump at it


And Allaah knows best
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by deols(f): 9:48pm On Feb 03, 2012
maclatunji:

Who said your response was directed at me? Your response did not address the topic. Knowing and remembering the birthday of the man we all love so much is an innovation that you are trying to put under the Hadith you quoted, abi?

You have a right to stick to your post, just like I have a right to call-you-out on it.



@ bold, really?? my bad. I have a failing of always assuming everyone has a 'seventh' sense. In the real world, am careful in choosing whom I discuss with. For that reason, I dont do much talking. You simply could av asked me to decipher what I said.  in such instance as ds, I lack d patience to repeat myself. I simply move on, like I'd be doing now.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by tbaba12345: 9:54pm On Feb 03, 2012
maclatunji:

Tbaba, you know very well that you can carry-out that act of Ibadah without the microphone, it does not enable anything. We don't delay prayer if we cannot find a microphone so leave that matter.

Exactly, you established my point, with or without it, you can give the adhan or the khutbah. It only helps to get the message to more people.

maclatunji:

You acknowledge that he commemorated it with fasting- good. Now you want us to pretend that we don't know the day he was born and let it pass as inconsequential- you are being naïve and simplistic.

We know it is a monday but there is no authentic hadith that talks about the date of his birthday.  For 600 years after the death of the Prophet (SAW) , no muslim even thought about his birthday. Do you think we can love him more than his companions?

maclatunji:

Look we are not very far apart on this issue but when you start creating threads to make it look like a sin to commemorate the birth of the Holy Prophet (SAW) I have a problem with that. It has absolutism written all over it which is wrong.

When it comes to the religion, we do not have to add what isn't there or take away what is there. That's my point.

, This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surah 5:4)

‘Aisha(R) reported Muhammad(S) said: "Whoever innovates into this affair of ours something that we have not commanded it is to be rejected" (Bukhari and Muslim)


Jaabir (R) narrated Muhammad(S) said, "To proceed: The best speech is the Book of Allah and the best guidance and example is that of Muhammad, and the worse of all things are the newly invented things (in the religion), for every innovation is a error and a misguidance." (Muslim)


"…Every innovation is a going astray and every going astray is in the fire." (Tirmidhi)

Salam Aleikum
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 10:17pm On Feb 03, 2012
BetaThings:

BTW my view is that innovation has to do with acts of worship
The way anyone chooses to drive a car is his business. It cannot be bid'ah

If an act of worship is to be established, it must have a precedent
If people desire that mawlid be an act of ibadah, then they should show us how the past (and best) generations did it
And I will jump at it


And Allaah knows best
Going by your argument, an act of Ibadah was perfected during the time of the Prophet (SAW), holding or attaching a microphone to your clothing should be considered an innovation because it amplifies the human voice which the Prophet (SAW) never used. Reason has prevailed and you use it.

You don't have to jump at it. Nobody is saying Maolud is part of some formal Islamic tenet that you must follow, so your trying to equate it to an act of Ibadah is beyond the scope of my own argument.

If you live in some arab country where Islam is more established, your point may hold more validity but in a place like Nigeria, you are shooting yourself in the foot and playing Ostrich if you don't commemorate the birth of the last Prophet of Islam. You guys know I got you with the microphone but you want to stick to your guns- no problem.

Just take it easy with your interpretation of concepts and ensure that you are not digging yourself into a hole when you come-up with points.

Indeed Allah knows best.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 10:25pm On Feb 03, 2012
deols:

@ bold, really?? my bad. I have a failing of always assuming everyone has a 'seventh' sense. In the real world, am careful in choosing whom I discuss with. For that reason, I dont do much talking. You simply could av asked me to decipher what I said.  in such instance as ds, I lack d patience to repeat myself. I simply move on, like I'd be doing now.  



You know I have a vested interest not to upset you but upset you I WILL. Try and be coherent with your post, anger makes you less effective as a communicator.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by tbaba12345: 10:30pm On Feb 03, 2012
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Enjoy!!
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by Nobody: 1:31am On Feb 04, 2012
But wait,,,,,,,,,this should not be this much,the real question is "is the maulud an act of worship?or do some muslims worship the prophet?if no,then it should not bring about all these noise,their are some act of worship that are plain bidah which muslims fails to address,e.g, wiping on socks,but you disagree with some disobedient muslimas not to wear nail polish cos it does invalidate wudu,the fajr adhan was never called in that way in the time of the prophet,Allah says wipe your head lightly and your feet up to your ankle,you put the wash in bracket and support it with hadith,you simply saying Allah meant wash your feet instead of wipe (naudhubillah),and the muslims doing what Allah say you call them kaffir,the taraweeh prayer was not called taraweeh in the time of the prophet,and was not encouraged to be done in group as he stopped it,but a caliph brought it back and revived what the prophet actually stopped,and said loudly,"WHAT AN EXCELLENT BIDAH",So there can be an excellent bidah in act of worship?it sounds so evil knowing a caliph said this.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by deols(f): 7:12am On Feb 04, 2012
^^interesting points there @Uplawal.  your statements are vague though. It would help if you give references to them. I'd be glad to take part in that discussion.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 9:26am On Feb 04, 2012
^LOL. There are over a thousand and one topics one could start and we would argue about but one refrains because in the end they are not fatal to anyone's faith in Islam, some of us need to understand that. It would only lead to polarisation and unnecessary conflict/bitterness.

Knowledge is one thing- Wisdom another.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by LagosShia: 10:09am On Feb 04, 2012
deols:

^^interesting points there @Uplawal.  your statements are vague though. It would help if you give references to them. I'd be glad to take part in that discussion.

sister Deols,

sister "Uplawal" was obviously mentioning the bid'ah that sunnis have accepted and encouraged even when such are definitely contradictory to the teachings of the Quran and the Prophet (sa).the right way to do wudu is found in the Quran.Allah says wipe your feet and head (not wash).you wash your face and hands.if your feet are dirty you wash them,dry them and still wipe them as part of the wudu.

Holy Quran 5:6
"O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and your feet to the ankles".

in some Quranic tanslations that is deliberately mistanslated to "wash" instead of "wipe".the Shia wipe.

and for the wiping of the socks,the Shia too think it is not valid.

the fajr adhan was changed by Umar from "hayyah ala khairil amal" (come to the best of worship) to "assalatu khairun minan nawm"(prayer is better than sleeping).that was done to further his jihad ambitions.during the battlefield,the Prophet (sa) and Imam Ali (as) would offer salat.but Umar encouraged jihad over salat.

the Prophet (sa) said recommended prayers are not to be performed in congregation,Umar again encouraged what the Prophet (sa) prohibited and it was called "taraweeh".

you can see that the changes imlemented by Umar clearly went against the command and established teachings of the Prophet (sa) and contradicts the Quran.so therefore it is bid'ah.but an event like mawlid even though not compulsory,does not contradict any prophetic or Quranic teaching.therefore if it is not haram then it is not forbidden and not bid'ah.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by LagosShia: 11:30am On Feb 04, 2012
Song  ("Tel al Bedru Aleyna "wink for the beloved mercy unto all creatures,Muhammad al-Mustapha (sa)- Turkish Version:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIQYOvyobMc
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by Nobody: 12:05pm On Feb 04, 2012
@Deols,if you dnt want a vague opinion,you can revisit Lagosshia's thread,its been said over and over in them,or best still take your Quran and Sunni hadiths books  on wudu, Adhan,taraweeh etc,i can't write much like some do,not even at this time. Peace.

@Lagosshia,jazakallahu khairan,pls when you visit Uk,let us be aware o,asalamu alaykum.
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by BetaThings: 2:53pm On Feb 04, 2012
uplawal:

But wait,,,,,,,,,this should not be this much,the real question is "is the maulud an act of worship?or do some muslims worship the prophet?if no,then it should not bring about all these noise,their are some act of worship that are plain bidah which muslims fails to address,e.g, wiping on socks,but you disagree with some disobedient muslimas not to wear nail polish cos it does invalidate wudu,the fajr adhan was never called in that way in the time of the prophet,Allah says wipe your head lightly and your feet up to your ankle,you put the wash in bracket and support it with hadith,you simply saying Allah meant wash your feet instead of wipe (naudhubillah),and the muslims doing what Allah say you call them kaffir,the taraweeh prayer was not called taraweeh in the time of the prophet,and was not encouraged to be done in group as he stopped it,but a caliph brought it back and revived what the prophet actually stopped,and said loudly,"WHAT AN EXCELLENT BIDAH",So there can be an excellent bidah in act of worship?it sounds so evil knowing a caliph said this.
This is a wrong premise. There is no good bid'ah
The Prophet Prayed taraweeh in his lifettime

"The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed one night in the mosque, and the people followed him in prayer. Then he prayed the next night, and many people came. Then they gathered on the third or fourth night, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not come out to them. The next morning he said: “I saw what you did, and nothing kept me from coming out to you except the fact that I feared that it would be made obligatory for you.” (Bukhari)

This happened during Ramadan. Nothing can be made compulsory after the Prophet's death. So there is no longer any need to avoid praying taraweeh in congregation
So Umar (RA) did not really start it. He just resumed what the Prophet discontinued because the Prophet (out of mercy) did not want to add to obligatory deeds of the muslims. Scholars have said the bid'ah Umar mentioned is in linguistic fashion

LagosShia:

sister Deols,

sister "Uplawal" was obviously mentioning the bid'ah that sunnis have accepted and encouraged even when such are definitely contradictory to the teachings of the Quran and the Prophet (sa).the right way to do wudu is found in the Quran.Allah says wipe your feet and head (not wash).you wash your face and hands.if your feet are dirty you wash them,dry them and still wipe them as part of the wudu.

Holy Quran 5:6
"O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and your feet to the ankles".

in some Quranic tanslations that is deliberately mistanslated to "wash" instead of "wipe".the Shia wipe.

and for the wiping of the socks,the Shia too think it is not valid.

but an event like mawlid even though not compulsory,does not contradict any prophetic or Quranic teaching.therefore if it is not haram then it is not forbidden and not bid'ah.

where is it stated in that ayat that we should wash our hands and mouth?
So is it bid'ah to wash the hands and mouth then?
The Prophet (PBUH) was sent with the book to teach it and explain it
Many sunni books of ahadeeth mentioned that the Prophet performed ablution in a certain manner - washed the hand, mouth, feet etc
Your argument is only valid if you say that those ahadeeth are invalid
or that the Prophet did not perform his ablution in accordance to the Qur'an (may Allah forgive me)
I expect you to invalidate all the sunni ahadeeth anyway.
It does not matter since I am concerned really about Sunnis reading this thread

LagosShia:

sister Deols,

the fajr adhan was changed by Umar from "hayyah ala khairil amal" (come to the best of worship) to "assalatu khairun minan nawm"(prayer is better than sleeping).that was done to further his jihad ambitions.during the battlefield,the Prophet (sa) and Imam Ali (as) would offer salat.but Umar encouraged jihad over salat.

you can see that the changes imlemented by Umar clearly went against the command and established teachings of the Prophet (sa) and contradicts the Quran.
Umar did not go against the practice of the Prophet
And the text of the adhan that was revealed during the time of the Prophet (PBUH) was changed by Umar and all the companions kept quiet?
I think we should authenticate what we are saying with genuine books
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by BetaThings: 3:04pm On Feb 04, 2012
maclatunji:

Going by your argument, an act of Ibadah was perfected during the time of the Prophet (SAW), holding or attaching a microphone to your clothing should be considered an innovation because it amplifies the human voice which the Prophet (SAW) never used. Reason has prevailed and you use it.

You don't have to jump at it. Nobody is saying Maolud is part of some formal Islamic tenet that you must follow, so your trying to equate it to an act of Ibadah is beyond the scope of my own argument.

If you live in some arab country where Islam is more established, your point may hold more validity but in a place like Nigeria, you are shooting yourself in the foot and playing Ostrich if you don't commemorate the birth of the last Prophet of Islam. You guys know I got you with the microphone but you want to stick to your guns- no problem.

Just take it easy with your interpretation of concepts and ensure that you are not digging yourself into a hole when you come-up with points.

Indeed Allah knows best.
I assume you are a sunni. So this idea of "you guys" make me uncomfortable. This is not a contest. We should learn from whatever can be authentically traced to the Prophet (PBUH) and the companions
I have my misgivings about distinguishing between what arabs and Nigerian muslims do. What about Australian, America and similar muslims who don't even have muslim holidays?

Anyway my point is this. Any act for which reward is expected is an ibadah.
Adhan existed at the time of the Prophet (PBUH) and he made human beings call it. People expected reward for it
The only thing that has changed is that these human beings call it and use a microphone too. People expect reward for it
I have not seen any report that any celebration existed on the 12th of Rabiul Awwal during the time of the Prophet
Yes he fasted on Mondays (for 3 reasons) and also on Thursdays (for one reason) and people do that now without let
But if anyone wants to mark 12th of Rabiul Awwal, he/she cannot say it is the Prophet's tradition like he/she can say for Adhan
But I know that people who observe it see it as an act that would be rewarded.

And Allaah knows best
Re: Celebrating Mawlid by maclatunji: 3:35pm On Feb 04, 2012
^Alrighty, don't let us keep going on and on. I just got back from the lecture I talked about earlier and really don't want to say more than I have said here. I am not going into the Sunni-Shia pettiness because that is what it is- pettiness blown large!

'You guys' means you, deols and people who hold the opinion you hold on the issue- not some group somewhere. Enough already!

Let's share love not hate.

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