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dis has killed it for d guy

Really?

The thing is i cant seem to watch youtube videos at this moment so it will be nice you transcribed the message for us who cant watch it.

Cant believe this though until i read the message. kia!

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THIS IS STRANGE. I JUST LOST RESPECT FOR OYAKHILOME. MAS.TUR.BATION IS NOT A SIN? SERIOUSLY, I MEAN SERIOUSLY? TO THIS END, I SAY HE IS A FALSE TEACHER, TEACHING DEMONIC THINGS IN THESE LAST DAYS.

Eph 5:3 (International Standard Version)
Do not let intimate sin, impurity of any kind, or greed even be mentioned among you, as is proper for saints.

Genesis 38:8-11(NLT)

Then Judah said to Er's brother Onan, "Go and marry Tamar, as our law requires of the brother of a man who has died. You must produce an heir for your brother."

But Onan was not willing to have a child who would not be his own heir. So whenever he had intercourse with his brother's wife, he spilled the Fluid on the ground. This prevented her from having a child who would belong to his brother.

But the LORD considered it evil for Onan to deny a child to his dead brother. So the LORD took Onan's life, too.

Then Judah said to Tamar, his daughter-in-law, "Go back to your parents' home and remain a widow until my son Shelah is old enough to marry you." (But Judah didn't really intend to do this because he was afraid Shelah would also die, like his two brothers.) So Tamar went back to live in her father's home.

Natasha,,:

[size=20pt]REALLY? LIKE SERIOUSLY HE SAID THAT? [/size]

WATCH THE VIDEO. HE SAID IT AND I WAS SHOCKED ALSO. I CAN'T BUT CONCLUDE HE IS A FALSE TEACHER. GOD IS EXPOSING HIM. BELIEVE ME.

I HOPE JOAGBAJE WILL NOT DEFEND HIM IN THIS STATEMENT O.

My connection is a bit slow now. At what specific time (minute & second) did he say it? So I can go directly to it.

Edit: Nevermind, I've watched it. He's wrong. It's not just a sin against self, it's also a sin against God.

what a heretic !!!!

All of this false teachers need to be EXPOSED. I believe God is seriously exposing them to our generation in these last days.This is one of the reasons I have said, RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.

Shaking my head.

If it's not a SIN, then what is it, sir? #A fruit of the Spirit!!? smh

wrong teaching.

OlowoTee:

If it's not a SIN, then what is it, sir? #A fruit of the Spirit!!? smh

wrong teaching.

Why can't it be a fruit of the spirit ?

Seriously, we need to start Apostasy watch on Nairaland. So many false teachers deceiving God's people.

goshen360:

WATCH THE VIDEO. HE SAID IT AND I WAS SHOCKED ALSO. I CAN'T BUT CONCLUDE HE IS A FALSE TEACHER. GOD IS EXPOSING HIM. BELIEVE ME.

I HOPE JOAGBAJE WILL NOT DEFEND HIM IN THIS STATEMENT O.

Which one is my own na?  DO your post leave it there.

Joagbaje:

Which one is my own na?  DO your post leave it there.

Because you are always found defending your pastor Chris on every issue as he is your pastor. You often see everything he does as right. Can you defend his statement here ?

. . .by and by.

Its a sin if you're thinking about jada fire whilst taking matters to your own hand

When he's been said to be separated from his wife for so long, why he no go talk worse. He wan eat him moin-moin and have it ni. Abi he dey take them Joagbaje serious wey dey hail am say hin see greater light and stronger truth pass Bible? smhip

"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication(AND DEVIL'S DOCTRINE), let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." (1 Corinthians 7:2).

totally agree with the man of God.
m ast urb ation is not a sin; its a natural habit that God has blessed us with. just like eating bonbons;apple pies;or enjoying sports and entertainment.
they are not sins as in they dont separte us from God. but they are habits that must be kept under control. just like too much consumption of sugar is not a sin in itself but it can lead to the destruction of this temple if not kept under check.

God bless you Pastor Chris

another element that i must add here. the distinction between false teacher and bad teacher.
simply because a preacher has a difficulty conveying a point across,doesnt make him a "FALSE" teacher. it may however make him a "BAD" teacher.

a false teacher litterally means; a self proclaimed teacher.a man who was not called by God into the offce of teacher. a bad teacher is man with a genuine call of God upon his life;but for one reason or another,he is not ministering in accordance to his god given assignment.

knowledge is progressive. dont write off a man of God simply because your limited,shallow,stinking theological background has deprived you of the pure milk of the bible. you'll be wise by considering that you may have been taught wrong your whole life.take a break,re consider you limited theology and think outside the box

^^^ May God help you and your pastor Chris. We have not right to condemn the person that does mas.tur.bation but mas.tur.bation itself is a sin. The bible don't have to tell you specifically, mentioning mas.tur.bation as sin before you call it a sin. Don't accept false teaching as grace is not a license for sin of any kind.

goshen360:

Because you are always found defending your pastor Chris on every issue as he is your pastor. You often see everything he does as right. Can you defend his statement here ?

It is an unclean habit . But it is not a sin against God.  But that's the point he was making  there. Helping someone deal with the condemnation of the devil. There are several unclean habits that may not necessary be a sin unto God. But that doesn't mean he encourages them. He has taught against unclean habits, drug ,drinking, but he will still say even though they are not sin against God in themselves "they are not for Kings like you"  you are royalty etc. We do right because we are royalty.

For those who feel its a sin against God. I ask . What makes it sin? Is it the semen coming out ? What of those who have to do it on medical ground. "S.emen test" does God cancel the "sin" against him on medical ground? We should consider these before our axe start falling. It's a discussion not war.

Onan didn't die because he spilled on the ground , he died because he was selfish and would not want to procreate for his late brother. What of husband and wives who spills the semen on the ground as a form of birth control?

Also what about those who have wet dreams . Is God angry at them? . I'm not in support of masturbation. I have rebuked individuals for it the way I will rebuke them from other unclean habits. I have helped individuals stop it. But we still have to say the truth. God never Called it a sin.

 
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So now there's unclean habit, sin, sin against God and sin against man?
bunch of confused people,
y views on sex has no Biblical support. God would have made it easier for man if all sexual urges were turned off till after marriage. The fact our forelimbs can reach them is even a greater complexity. I'd rather face issues honestly than be a hypocrite.

I dont know if Pst. Chris is right, but I do hope this thread doesn't derail. Can we for once ignore the messenger and focus on the message? thanks, :-)

Mr Jo,

I can't believe you can defend pastor Chris in this matter. I advice you not to share in the sin of your pastor.

Joagbaje:

It is an unclean habit . But it is not a sin against God.  But that's the point he was making  there.  

Unclean habit is not sin against God? Can you listen to you and pastor Chris?

Joagbaje:

There are several unclean habits that may not necessary be a sin unto God. But that doesn't mean he encourages them. He has taught against unclean habits, drug ,drinking, but he will still say even though they are not sin against God in themselves "they are not for Kings like you"  you are royalty etc. We do right because we are royalty.

Can you list more of the unclean habits that are not sin unto God?

Eddy, remember that the Bible says 'every THOUGHT of foolishness is a sin'. #not even the act, but the thought. Let's not justify an ungodly act because it's not specifically stated in the Bible as a sin against God.

Uyi, that sinful habit cannot be a fruit of the Spirit, because it's unholy, sensual, lustful and sin against God.

Drinking is an unclean habit?

Matthew 11:19 New International Version (NIV)

19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds

@Joagbaje
The bible says we should flee se.xual immorality. Would you say that it is sexu.ally moral to mas.turbate?

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Ps read my post again

It is an unclean habit . But it is not a sin against God.  But that's the point he was making  there. Helping someone deal with the condemnation of the devil. There are several unclean habits that may not necessary be a sin unto God. But that doesn't mean he encourages them. He has taught against unclean habits, drug ,drinking, but he will still say even though they are not sin against God in themselves "they are not for Kings like you"  you are royalty etc. We do right because we are royalty.

For those who feel its a sin against God. I ask . What makes it sin? Is it the Fluid coming out ?  What of those who have to do it on medical ground. "S.emen test" does God cancel the "sin" against him on medical ground? We should consider these before our axe start falling. It's a discussion not war.

Onan didn't die because he spilled on the ground , he died because he was selfish and would not want to procreate for his late brother. What of husband and wives who spills the Fluid on the ground as a form of birth control?

Also what about those who have wet dreams . Is God angry at them? . I'm not in support of self-service. I have rebuked individuals for it the way I will rebuke them from other unclean habits. I have helped individuals stop it. But we still have to say the truth. God  never Called it a sin.

@Joagbaje
I have read your post but it still doesn't answer my question which is if you consider mas.turbation as morally right.

It's a bad habit just like doing drugs. Or drinking .But it's not a Sin against God.

@ Joagbaje,

Honestly, I can't believe you can defend your pastor in this matter and please stop beating around the bush. Am very sure if the bible had not SPECIFICALLY said fornication and adultery is a sin, you and pastor Chris would have also said it is a bad habit. You can as well say abor.tion is not a sin against God, just because the bible didn't specifically mention it and call it bad habit.

C'mon, let's face the truth my brother. We can help people get out of bad habit without condemning them and telling them is not a sin against God. Sin is Sin and let it be plain. Just because the bible didn't specifically mention some sins doesn't mean they are not sins against God. Our body is the temple of the Lord. Mas.tur.bation might not be a sin to the world but it is certainly a sin to a believe because the Holy convict of sin but your pastor Chris says it is not a sin against God.

Romans 6:12-16
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

Romans 13:13-14
"Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof."

Joagbaje:

It's a bad habit just like doing drugs. Or drinking .But it's not a Sin against God.

You mean you actually said the highlighted? IT IS NOT A SIN AGAINST GOD? SERIOUSLY, I MEAN SERIOUSLY?